Unless they are wielding pool noodles of death or cheating at table games I ain't need ferengi subplots
Just a sprinkling of Quark, if you please
Hey you gotta also love Wallace Shawn as the Grand Nagus
You know it suddenly occurs to me that the Ferengi have been accused of being a collection of Jewish stereotypes... and then for the head Ferengi they hired the most Jewish actor of all time. I dunno if that helps or hurts Star Trek's case
Unless they are wielding pool noodles of death or cheating at table games I ain't need ferengi subplots
Just a sprinkling of Quark, if you please
Hey you gotta also love Wallace Shawn as the Grand Nagus
You know it suddenly occurs to me that the Ferengi have been accused of being a collection of Jewish stereotypes... and then for the head Ferengi they hired the most Jewish actor of all time. I dunno if that helps or hurts Star Trek's case
Unless they are wielding pool noodles of death or cheating at table games I ain't need ferengi subplots
Just a sprinkling of Quark, if you please
Hey you gotta also love Wallace Shawn as the Grand Nagus
You know it suddenly occurs to me that the Ferengi have been accused of being a collection of Jewish stereotypes... and then for the head Ferengi they hired the most Jewish actor of all time. I dunno if that helps or hurts Star Trek's case
Unless they are wielding pool noodles of death or cheating at table games I ain't need ferengi subplots
Just a sprinkling of Quark, if you please
Hey you gotta also love Wallace Shawn as the Grand Nagus
You know it suddenly occurs to me that the Ferengi have been accused of being a collection of Jewish stereotypes... and then for the head Ferengi they hired the most Jewish actor of all time. I dunno if that helps or hurts Star Trek's case
The Ferengi are straight out of a 1930's Nazi propaganda film about Jews... and nearly all the main Ferengis are played by Jewish actors. Make of that what you will I guess.
DS9 is great aside from all the super tedious religious stuff and a few bad quark episodes. I wish I could watch it for the first time again. TNG too.
Yeah all the Bajoran religious episodes are pretty tedious but DS9 his religion up from all angles. Dominion is basically one big theocracy, Klingon religion is revisited a bunch, hell Quark is really religious.
I for one really enjoyed the nuanced and detailed portrayal of religion in DS9. It's not often that I get to see that part of my identity given sensible treatment in TV, let alone sci-fi.
re: Season 1 - I think it's a constitutional requirement that long-running Trek series have really wobbly first seasons, but on the other hand season 1 included Duet therefore season 1 is good.
You know it suddenly occurs to me that the Ferengi have been accused of being a collection of Jewish stereotypes... and then for the head Ferengi they hired the most Jewish actor of all time. I dunno if that helps or hurts Star Trek's case
If I remember correctly one of the reasons he took the role was because he was upset at the scope of the Ferengi-as-space-Jew-caricature cliches TNG had tried to build and wanted to be in a position to tackle them in a more interesting (and less monstrous) way.
I think the way Nog turned out is a fucking miracle. The character had nothing going for him, child actor, a minor character, goofy makeup, by all accounts he should have been an embarrassment but man did he turn out great.
the PTSD arc alone was some of the best DS9 episodes
Nog and Rom just get increasingly interesting over the course of the whole series starting pretty much the moment the writers decide they're something other than A Kid Character and Wacky Comic Relief, respectively.
I think the way Nog turned out is a fucking miracle. The character had nothing going for him, child actor, a minor character, goofy makeup, by all accounts he should have been an embarrassment but man did he turn out great.
the PTSD arc alone was some of the best DS9 episodes
Actually, Aron Eisenberg was in his early 20s when the show started. He had a kidney transplant as a teen which affected his growth. (He's five foot tall.)
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When I was driving once I saw this painted on a bridge:
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
Notice how the most-liked examples of a particular species on Trek are the ones who are generally regarded by their own people as outliers?
Spock's half-human (did they ever make a big thing about that in TOS? Obviously they did in the reboot), so's Troi, and she gets kind of looked down on for it even by her mother, Worf keeps himself to the Klingon ideal of honor so much that regular Klingons think he's a fool, Quark has the occasional moment of what are regarded by typical Ferengi as unthinkable acts of charity (paid vacation?!), and the rest of his family are even worse by Ferengi standards, and so on.
By the pattern, I'm surprised Kira isn't an atheist.
If such a concept even exists for them. How can you be an atheist when there is empirical evidence that your gods exist?
God-like beings exist, however, then's a difference between beings who are supernatural and who are just powerful cosmic amoeba and/or augmented with technology. Trek mostly has the latter. Apollo was powered by something which is heavily implied to be a machine. Many times we simply don't know enough about how they work to make a call on how they operate. In contrast to a show like The Magicians which explicitly identifies gods as magical creatures.
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If any higher beings in the Trek universe could qualify as gods it would be The Prophets.
I mean there's probably the rare Bajoran out there who doesn't care about the Prophets. But they have in general been shown that when it comes to being told that they're just super aliens, they don't care. Kira herself has a really wonderful line regarding it where she says "I know that to you they're the "wormhole aliens", but to me they're gods.".
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
I mean there's probably the rare Bajoran out there who doesn't care about the Prophets. But they have in general been shown that when it comes to being told that they're just super aliens, they don't care. Kira herself has a really wonderful line regarding it where she says "I know that to you they're the "wormhole aliens", but to me they're gods.".
similar to the Dominion- there's no way you can convince them that the Founders aren't gods, no matter what you might say to them
except their approach is wildly different to the Bajorans, which is one of the things I find so fascinating about DS9
I dunno, gods used to die to each other pretty easily.
We really only switched to unkillable gods when we went mono-theistic, as there weren't any spares.
Even then, once God got a sidekick/son, he was totally killable.
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In the case of the Prophets, being gods to the bajorans and wormhole aliens to everyone else are not mutually exclusive things. The Founders are a little more iffy, but to Jem'hadar and Vorta the argument should not be "your gods are not gods" but rather "your gods are assholes and unworthy of worship".
Creating life
Spiritual guidance
Technological enlightenment
Power over nature
In the case of the Prophets, being gods to the bajorans and wormhole aliens to everyone else are not mutually exclusive things. The Founders are a little more iffy, but to Jem'hadar and Vorta the argument should not be "your gods are not gods" but rather "your gods are assholes and unworthy of worship".
yeah and that latter argument is what Odo in particular says to them time and time again
I love that Odo of all people has one of the more nuanced explorations of religion. He's a god figure to some, he works for a god figure to others, he falls in love with a deeply devout person who also accepts his lack of belief as valid while also taking the time to explain to him what her faith means to her
About halfway through season 2 of Enterprise. Overall some of the annoyances of season 1 are not as pronounced. I like Tucker more now, mostly because the writers seem to like him and he is more extensively featured and developed than most. It was kind of funny that there were two episodes almost back to back where Tucker crash lands on a planet with the guest star of the week and they have to survive.
Carbon Creek was a highlight. Is T'Pol really that old, or was that supposed to be her ancestor or something? And Cease Fire was a really nice return to form for Star Trek as a diplomatic drama guest starring Jeffrey Calhoun as the Andorian if I am not mistaken.
Vanishing Point was a creepy and enjoyable episode that made good use of the show's time period, with a lot of anxiety about the transporter.
Stigma: so only a small minority of Vulcans have the ability to do mind melds? I did not take this literally considering how prejudiced Vulcans are in this era. They might have overplayed their hand in service of the plot in this one though, the Vulcans mostly come off a little bit too shittily.
Eh, they pretty much elevated Kahless to deity to replace them.
Yeah, but Kahless is cool.
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I found the Bajoran religious stuff boring and tedious most the time. I zoned out whenever Kira would start going on and on about the prophets. Kai Winn was an excellent villain, though.
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I love it when Worf tells Kira (I think) that the Klingons slew their gods. Like, "We found them to be more trouble than they were worth so we killed them"
Stigma: so only a small minority of Vulcans have the ability to do mind melds? I did not take this literally considering how prejudiced Vulcans are in this era. They might have overplayed their hand in service of the plot in this one though, the Vulcans mostly come off a little bit too shittily.
Stigma was a weird episode. It was written because Viacom required most of its currently-running shows to do Very Special Episodes about HIV, which presumably isn't a thing anymore by the mid-2100s, so they had to shoehorn in an awkward equivalent.
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I wouldn't be born for another twelve years when that show ended!
THE RERUNS OF COLOMBO STARTED A YEAR BEFORE I WAS BORN. THE RERUNS.
The ferengi makeup is great but I do not give a shit about ferengis you guys
Just a sprinkling of Quark, if you please
You know it suddenly occurs to me that the Ferengi have been accused of being a collection of Jewish stereotypes... and then for the head Ferengi they hired the most Jewish actor of all time. I dunno if that helps or hurts Star Trek's case
I just keep hearing Bertram.
Inconceivable!
But Rom, though
The Ferengi are straight out of a 1930's Nazi propaganda film about Jews... and nearly all the main Ferengis are played by Jewish actors. Make of that what you will I guess.
Yeah all the Bajoran religious episodes are pretty tedious but DS9 his religion up from all angles. Dominion is basically one big theocracy, Klingon religion is revisited a bunch, hell Quark is really religious.
Ferengi episodes are painful unless you're in a couple of very particular moods at which point they're wonderful.
(One of those moods is "I want Quark to be the universe's chew toy for an hour.")
If I remember correctly one of the reasons he took the role was because he was upset at the scope of the Ferengi-as-space-Jew-caricature cliches TNG had tried to build and wanted to be in a position to tackle them in a more interesting (and less monstrous) way.
Actually, Aron Eisenberg was in his early 20s when the show started. He had a kidney transplant as a teen which affected his growth. (He's five foot tall.)
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
Spock's half-human (did they ever make a big thing about that in TOS? Obviously they did in the reboot), so's Troi, and she gets kind of looked down on for it even by her mother, Worf keeps himself to the Klingon ideal of honor so much that regular Klingons think he's a fool, Quark has the occasional moment of what are regarded by typical Ferengi as unthinkable acts of charity (paid vacation?!), and the rest of his family are even worse by Ferengi standards, and so on.
By the pattern, I'm surprised Kira isn't an atheist.
This is a universe with alien beings like Q in them. Just because they're powerful doesn't make them beings worthy of following or worshiping.
God-like beings exist, however, then's a difference between beings who are supernatural and who are just powerful cosmic amoeba and/or augmented with technology. Trek mostly has the latter. Apollo was powered by something which is heavily implied to be a machine. Many times we simply don't know enough about how they work to make a call on how they operate. In contrast to a show like The Magicians which explicitly identifies gods as magical creatures.
Aren't the Q on a higher level than them?
similar to the Dominion- there's no way you can convince them that the Founders aren't gods, no matter what you might say to them
except their approach is wildly different to the Bajorans, which is one of the things I find so fascinating about DS9
Since originally Ro was intended to be there, the central viewpoint Bajoran was going to be another outlier.
I think the Ancient Greeks, Romans and Pagans would beg to differ.
We really only switched to unkillable gods when we went mono-theistic, as there weren't any spares.
Even then, once God got a sidekick/son, he was totally killable.
At least they're not like androids.
Creating life
Spiritual guidance
Technological enlightenment
Power over nature
In the case of the Prophets, being gods to the bajorans and wormhole aliens to everyone else are not mutually exclusive things. The Founders are a little more iffy, but to Jem'hadar and Vorta the argument should not be "your gods are not gods" but rather "your gods are assholes and unworthy of worship".
yeah and that latter argument is what Odo in particular says to them time and time again
I love that Odo of all people has one of the more nuanced explorations of religion. He's a god figure to some, he works for a god figure to others, he falls in love with a deeply devout person who also accepts his lack of belief as valid while also taking the time to explain to him what her faith means to her
it's good stuff
Carbon Creek was a highlight. Is T'Pol really that old, or was that supposed to be her ancestor or something? And Cease Fire was a really nice return to form for Star Trek as a diplomatic drama guest starring Jeffrey Calhoun as the Andorian if I am not mistaken.
Vanishing Point was a creepy and enjoyable episode that made good use of the show's time period, with a lot of anxiety about the transporter.
Stigma: so only a small minority of Vulcans have the ability to do mind melds? I did not take this literally considering how prejudiced Vulcans are in this era. They might have overplayed their hand in service of the plot in this one though, the Vulcans mostly come off a little bit too shittily.
Yeah, but Kahless is cool.
Stigma was a weird episode. It was written because Viacom required most of its currently-running shows to do Very Special Episodes about HIV, which presumably isn't a thing anymore by the mid-2100s, so they had to shoehorn in an awkward equivalent.