god axios is so bad, anyways here's who's actually on that committee:
Committee Chairman (R)
Richard Burr, North Carolina
Committee Vice Chairman (D)
Mark Warner, Virginia
Republicans
James Risch, Idaho
Marco Rubio, Florida
Susan Collins, Maine
Roy Blunt, Missouri
Tom Cotton, Arkansas
John Cornyn, Texas
Ben Sasse, Nebraska
Democrats
Dianne Feinstein, California
Ron Wyden, Oregon
Martin Heinrich, New Mexico
Angus King, Maine
Kamala Harris, California
Michael Bennet, Colorado
House Judiciary Committee is right now voting on whether or not to find Barr in contempt. A voice vote was followed by a request to call the roll, so they're in the middle of that.
Two of the members of the committee (I'm not sure who) are currently in another hearing. To keep the vote open, members on both sides kept asking to confirm how they were recorded (having voted moments ago), then confirming they'd been confirmed. This carried on for a few minutes before the chair said "yeah everyone should be recorded, this is an important vote, we'll hold the vote open, ya'll don't have to keep stalling"
Anyone who wonders why shit doesn't happen faster in government would be enlightened by watching an hour or three of proceedings like these
Tuned into the Barr vote just in time to see committee members repeatedly asking the clerk what their own votes were recorded as to keep the vote open for 2 late committee members. Thankfully Nadler eventually put an end to that and declared they'd just keep the vote open without having to keep up that charade.
Senate Intel has actually been acting semi-professionally, to the point where I think Burr may actually kinda give a shit about the nation as a whole.
That was prior to the house democrats getting in charge. Like the senate GOP treated their intel as the adult in the room versus Nunes being a literal Trump operative. But since the 2018 election Senate Intel has dipped more into the derp side.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
edit: or recommends that he should be found in contempt? I'm not sure exactly what the process is here, but Barr don' been contemptable
Sounds like it goes to the House for a vote now. Still not sure if they are voting to have him arrested, or to refer the subpoena to a federal court, or (lol) the justice department.
I have a 100 posts to catch up on, and I'm sure it's been said, but how the fuck do they get to claim executive priceline on this? And how are Republicans on his side? If POTUS was a Democrat he'd already be in jail.
were there abstentions? I expected a pure partisan split. How many people on that committee?
I wasn't paying too close attention, but I think at least one Republican congressperson wasn't in their seat when the roll was called. Then again, the chair held it open for two more Democrats to return from [doing something else], so you'd figure anyone who wanted to be counted was counted.
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So if the house also votes to hold him in contempt, and house democrats are cowardly enough to send this to the DoJ, and the DoJ tells Trump "Hey boss, whatever just use executive privilege like we told you to, we don't care", can democrats then change their minds and tell the Sergeant-of-Arms to pick Barr up and haul him away, like they should at the first opportunity? Or are there three different kinds of contempt or something? Or does it have to go to the attorney of DC?
Accordingly, the last-minute claims of the "protective" blanket assertion of executive privilege over the entirety of the subpoenaed materials does not change the fact that Attorney General William P. Barr is in contempt of Congress today for failing to turn over lawfully subpoenaed documents.
I mean, I don't think I've ever seen a mic drop written so perfectly in a government letter.
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I just don't get how so many Republicans are supporting all of this. When we have a democratic president what's to stop them from doing the same shit? This should be about protection our democracy not about sticking it to the libs.
I just don't get how so many Republicans are supporting all of this. When we have a democratic president what's to stop them from doing the same shit? This should be about protection our democracy not about sticking it to the libs.
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I just don't get how so many Republicans are supporting all of this. When we have a democratic president what's to stop them from doing the same shit? This should be about protection our democracy not about sticking it to the libs.
Democrats following the rules is what will stop it. They know it.
I just don't get how so many Republicans are supporting all of this. When we have a democratic president what's to stop them from doing the same shit? This should be about protection our democracy not about sticking it to the libs.
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Is Don Jr. being subpoena'd only because the Mueller report and evidence are effectively locked down? I'm wondering if the GOP is calling him in as a move - the move being, the Democrats were planning to do so when they had the aforementioned materials, but now that they probably can't get those materials the GOP wants to rub it in by calling in one of the witnesses to show how "wrong" and "desperate" the Democrats have been over this.
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Can we get a citation on Nadler's letter RE: Executive Privilege? Every news story I can Google on him is from this morning or prior.
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On the evening before the scheduled date of the Committee's meeting to consider a resolution holding the AG in contempt, and while negotiations were ongoing, the Com. received a letter from Ass AG Boyd that stated, "In the face of the Com threatened contempt vote, the AG will be compelled to request that the Pres invoke EP with respect to the materials subject to subpoena." He then requested that "the Com. hold the subpoena in abeyance and delay any vote on whether to recommend a citation for contempt for noncompliance with subpoena, pending the Pres determination of this question." Although Boyd clarified that this request was "not itself an assertion of executive privilege," he did explain that should the Com decide "to proceed in spite of this request... the AG will advise the Pres to make a protective assertion of EP over the subpoenaed material, which undoubtedly includes material covered by EP." Today, during the Com meeting, the Com received a letter from Boyd stating "that the Pres as asserted EP over the entirety of the subpoenaed materials," and that this was a "protective assertion" of the privilege. Mr Boyd attached a letter dated the day of the Com meeting, from AG Barr to the Pres requesting that the Pres "make a protective assertion of EP." No other evidence of the Pres assertion of privilege was provided.
The com has a number of concerns about the validity of this assertion: (1) the purported protective assertion is not a valid claim of privilege, including because EP has been broadly waived in this case as a matter of law and fact; (2) the proposed assertion could have been made previously and at the very least, by May 1, 2019, the subpoena return date; (3) the correspondence does not contain a statement by the Pres himself asserting the privilege; (4) it is not credible that "the entirety of the subpoenaed material" consists of "communications authored or solicited and received by those members of an immediate WH advisers staff who have broad and significant responsibility for investigating and formulating the advice to be given the Pres on the particular matter to which the communications relate"(superscript 1); it is not credible that the entirety of the materials are subject to other constitutionally recognized privileges; (6) the assertion is suspect with respect to redacted portions of the Report because the AG himself has indicated a willingness to allow an arbitrarily limited number of Members to view those materials; (7) the DoJ has failed to provide any details by which the Com might evaluate the applicability of the privilege, such as senders and recipients of the documents, or the privilege log and other information called for by the subpoena; (8) even if the assertion of the privilege were valid as in initial matter, which it is not, the assertion has been overcome here as: (i) the Com has demonstrated as sufficient need for the documents as they are likely to contain evidence critical to the Com inquiry; (ii) the documents sought cannot expeditiously be obtained any other way; and (iii) any EP that could be asserted to the report has been waived when the Pres previously made the decision not to assert EP over any portion of the report, as announced by the AG; (9) there is substantial evidence indicating that the Pres engaged in obstruction of justice and other misconduct, and therefore the public interest in the fair administration of justice outweighs the Pres generalized interest in confidentiality; (10) and with these documents, the Com cannot fully perform its vital legislative, oversight, and constitutional duties. Accordingly, the last minute claims the "protective" blanket assertion of EP over the entirety of the subpoenaed materials does not change the fact that AG Barr is in contempt of Congress today for failing to turn over lawfully subpoenaed documents.
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Is Don Jr. being subpoena'd only because the Mueller report and evidence are effectively locked down? I'm wondering if the GOP is calling him in as a move - the move being, the Democrats were planning to do so when they had the aforementioned materials, but now that they probably can't get those materials the GOP wants to rub it in by calling in one of the witnesses to show how "wrong" and "desperate" the Democrats have been over this.
If I was writing a book, I’d say that McConnell is setting up DJTJ to lie to the Senate. Then McConnell can hold that over Trump for some later known purpose, that if Trump doesn’t do X favor, McConnell can hold Don Jr for lying to Congress.
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I just don't get how so many Republicans are supporting all of this. When we have a democratic president what's to stop them from doing the same shit? This should be about protection our democracy not about sticking it to the libs.
Along with the aforementioned "they know, deep down, the Dems won't", I half wonder if some of them aren't expecting / hoping to just not have any more Dem Presidents... ever. (Or at least, not in their lifetimes.)
We need to get some smarter Democrats on Senate intel. Yikes.
Kamala Harris is as good as five regular dems.
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We need to get some smarter Democrats on Senate intel. Yikes.
Kamala Harris is as good as five regular dems.
I do look forward to her stone faced glare when she asks a simple question and Don Jr just fails to grasp even the basic of the basic of how dumb he is.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Man it's fuckin wild that you can apparently just say fuckin no to subpoenas and shit.
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If you refuse a subpoena, isn't the next step contempt? I guess the question is whether the Senate committee feels like fining/jailing Jr.
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Nadler spoke on the contempt vote (it goes to the House to proceed on what happens to Barr) and everything going on in general. From an hour or two ago.
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Yep full shit show. So what story are they racing to get in front of now?
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Committee Chairman (R)
Richard Burr, North Carolina
Committee Vice Chairman (D)
Mark Warner, Virginia
Republicans
James Risch, Idaho
Marco Rubio, Florida
Susan Collins, Maine
Roy Blunt, Missouri
Tom Cotton, Arkansas
John Cornyn, Texas
Ben Sasse, Nebraska
Democrats
Dianne Feinstein, California
Ron Wyden, Oregon
Martin Heinrich, New Mexico
Angus King, Maine
Kamala Harris, California
Michael Bennet, Colorado
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Anyone who wonders why shit doesn't happen faster in government would be enlightened by watching an hour or three of proceedings like these
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What's weird is why is King there he's an independent isn't he?
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edit: or recommends that he should be found in contempt? I'm not sure exactly what the process is here, but Barr don' been contemptable
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He caucuses with the Democrats.
That was prior to the house democrats getting in charge. Like the senate GOP treated their intel as the adult in the room versus Nunes being a literal Trump operative. But since the 2018 election Senate Intel has dipped more into the derp side.
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agree, Burr and Warner have not been terrible. They've been actually professional and non-evil so far.
were there abstentions? I expected a pure partisan split. How many people on that committee?
Sounds like it goes to the House for a vote now. Still not sure if they are voting to have him arrested, or to refer the subpoena to a federal court, or (lol) the justice department.
It was better in the previous congress....
40. It was a pure partisan split.
I wasn't paying too close attention, but I think at least one Republican congressperson wasn't in their seat when the roll was called. Then again, the chair held it open for two more Democrats to return from [doing something else], so you'd figure anyone who wanted to be counted was counted.
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https://documentcloud.org/documents/5993677-IMG-0016.html#document/p1
tl;dr: lol no
I mean, I don't think I've ever seen a mic drop written so perfectly in a government letter.
Party Before Country is only patriotic when you're a republican.
Democrats following the rules is what will stop it. They know it.
This is important to internalize.
Typos and abbreviations are mine, I'll try and fix some of them. @Henroid
The com has a number of concerns about the validity of this assertion: (1) the purported protective assertion is not a valid claim of privilege, including because EP has been broadly waived in this case as a matter of law and fact; (2) the proposed assertion could have been made previously and at the very least, by May 1, 2019, the subpoena return date; (3) the correspondence does not contain a statement by the Pres himself asserting the privilege; (4) it is not credible that "the entirety of the subpoenaed material" consists of "communications authored or solicited and received by those members of an immediate WH advisers staff who have broad and significant responsibility for investigating and formulating the advice to be given the Pres on the particular matter to which the communications relate"(superscript 1); it is not credible that the entirety of the materials are subject to other constitutionally recognized privileges; (6) the assertion is suspect with respect to redacted portions of the Report because the AG himself has indicated a willingness to allow an arbitrarily limited number of Members to view those materials; (7) the DoJ has failed to provide any details by which the Com might evaluate the applicability of the privilege, such as senders and recipients of the documents, or the privilege log and other information called for by the subpoena; (8) even if the assertion of the privilege were valid as in initial matter, which it is not, the assertion has been overcome here as: (i) the Com has demonstrated as sufficient need for the documents as they are likely to contain evidence critical to the Com inquiry; (ii) the documents sought cannot expeditiously be obtained any other way; and (iii) any EP that could be asserted to the report has been waived when the Pres previously made the decision not to assert EP over any portion of the report, as announced by the AG; (9) there is substantial evidence indicating that the Pres engaged in obstruction of justice and other misconduct, and therefore the public interest in the fair administration of justice outweighs the Pres generalized interest in confidentiality; (10) and with these documents, the Com cannot fully perform its vital legislative, oversight, and constitutional duties. Accordingly, the last minute claims the "protective" blanket assertion of EP over the entirety of the subpoenaed materials does not change the fact that AG Barr is in contempt of Congress today for failing to turn over lawfully subpoenaed documents.
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If I was writing a book, I’d say that McConnell is setting up DJTJ to lie to the Senate. Then McConnell can hold that over Trump for some later known purpose, that if Trump doesn’t do X favor, McConnell can hold Don Jr for lying to Congress.
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Along with the aforementioned "they know, deep down, the Dems won't", I half wonder if some of them aren't expecting / hoping to just not have any more Dem Presidents... ever. (Or at least, not in their lifetimes.)
Kamala Harris is as good as five regular dems.
Haberman is a NYT reporter close to the Trumps.
I do look forward to her stone faced glare when she asks a simple question and Don Jr just fails to grasp even the basic of the basic of how dumb he is.
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