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ICE are the equivalent of fucking brown shirts and everyone who wears the uniform should be deeply ashamed of what they have done and probably go to jail for this shit at some point,
Yeah I don't trust what ICE says about parents being reunited since they have fucking lied all the time about that shit. And the more telling thing is they arrested the workers but not the employers, huh almost like those who enabled and were enriched by the work were exempt from the laws being enforced.
That's always been the great big lie about immigration; it would be far more effective to stem immigration by applying massive fines to those who employ undocumented workers than it is to try and round them all up and deport them. If the jobs dry up, they'll stop coming.
The government is just never going to do that for a host of reasons, mostly revolving around being perfectly willing to enable a system where those in power can get filthy rich by exploiting undocumented workers. For all his bluster, Trump was ass-deep in doing so. The fun part is the more undocumented immigrates fear being arrested, the more they'll let companies exploit them.
It's a depraved cycle.
This kind of explanation really tries to pass the buck too much. This isn't some secret plot carried out by nefarious billionaires, it's just the way the food industry works. Not unlike, say, the garment industry or basically every other industry that imports goods from some developing country. It's just part of the system we are all participate in. Basically, how much more expensive do you think your average random person wants their food to be? And so it just kinda keeps going, without much political pressure for major change.
There's a reason the main attack on this stuff comes from the racists. They've always been willing to cut off their minority nose to spite their own faces.
Yeah I don't trust what ICE says about parents being reunited since they have fucking lied all the time about that shit. And the more telling thing is they arrested the workers but not the employers, huh almost like those who enabled and were enriched by the work were exempt from the laws being enforced.
That's always been the great big lie about immigration; it would be far more effective to stem immigration by applying massive fines to those who employ undocumented workers than it is to try and round them all up and deport them. If the jobs dry up, they'll stop coming.
The government is just never going to do that for a host of reasons, mostly revolving around being perfectly willing to enable a system where those in power can get filthy rich by exploiting undocumented workers. For all his bluster, Trump was ass-deep in doing so. The fun part is the more undocumented immigrates fear being arrested, the more they'll let companies exploit them.
It's a depraved cycle.
They want slaves and serfs and this is their most surefire way of getting that dynamic.
Yeah I don't trust what ICE says about parents being reunited since they have fucking lied all the time about that shit. And the more telling thing is they arrested the workers but not the employers, huh almost like those who enabled and were enriched by the work were exempt from the laws being enforced.
That's always been the great big lie about immigration; it would be far more effective to stem immigration by applying massive fines to those who employ undocumented workers than it is to try and round them all up and deport them. If the jobs dry up, they'll stop coming.
The government is just never going to do that for a host of reasons, mostly revolving around being perfectly willing to enable a system where those in power can get filthy rich by exploiting undocumented workers. For all his bluster, Trump was ass-deep in doing so. The fun part is the more undocumented immigrates fear being arrested, the more they'll let companies exploit them.
It's a depraved cycle.
This kind of explanation really tries to pass the buck too much. This isn't some secret plot carried out by nefarious billionaires, it's just the way the food industry works. Not unlike, say, the garment industry or basically every other industry that imports goods from some developing country. It's just part of the system we are all participate in. Basically, how much more expensive do you think your average random person wants their food to be? And so it just kinda keeps going, without much political pressure for major change.
There's a reason the main attack on this stuff comes from the racists. They've always been willing to cut off their minority nose to spite their own faces.
Shryke Scottsman's talking about the aspect of "hmm how odd that ICE seems only concerned with detaining the brown folk doing the work and oddly the rich people hiring them don't even get a passing glance."
How else do you explain the dynamic where despite all the ranting and raving about how terrible immigrants are, bastards keep hiring them with unlivable wages that are paid under the table, with the threat that if they buck the system too much they'll bring down immigration enforcement down on them?
Yeah I don't trust what ICE says about parents being reunited since they have fucking lied all the time about that shit. And the more telling thing is they arrested the workers but not the employers, huh almost like those who enabled and were enriched by the work were exempt from the laws being enforced.
That's always been the great big lie about immigration; it would be far more effective to stem immigration by applying massive fines to those who employ undocumented workers than it is to try and round them all up and deport them. If the jobs dry up, they'll stop coming.
The government is just never going to do that for a host of reasons, mostly revolving around being perfectly willing to enable a system where those in power can get filthy rich by exploiting undocumented workers. For all his bluster, Trump was ass-deep in doing so. The fun part is the more undocumented immigrates fear being arrested, the more they'll let companies exploit them.
It's a depraved cycle.
This kind of explanation really tries to pass the buck too much. This isn't some secret plot carried out by nefarious billionaires, it's just the way the food industry works. Not unlike, say, the garment industry or basically every other industry that imports goods from some developing country. It's just part of the system we are all participate in. Basically, how much more expensive do you think your average random person wants their food to be? And so it just kinda keeps going, without much political pressure for major change.
There's a reason the main attack on this stuff comes from the racists. They've always been willing to cut off their minority nose to spite their own faces.
Shryke Scottsman's talking about the aspect of "hmm how odd that ICE seems only concerned with detaining the brown folk doing the work and oddly the rich people hiring them don't even get a passing glance."
How else do you explain the dynamic where despite all the ranting and raving about how terrible immigrants are, bastards keep hiring them with unlivable wages that are paid under the table, with the threat that if they buck the system too much they'll bring down immigration enforcement down on them?
Pretty easily?
The raids are the same as this shit has been for ages now. Racists doing racist things that fuck themselves but that they are ok with because racism is the point. Remember 8 years ago when Alabama passed new laws about immigration checks and suddenly there was food rotting in the fields because there were no seasonal workers to pick it? That's like one example among many. Shit, just look at Trump supporting soybean farmers getting fucked by his trade wars.
The simple fact is that our food production system is built on a back of a ton of cheap migrant labour and no one wants to mess with that shit because no one wants to massively increase the price of food. Except, again, racists because racists are generally pretty short-sighted about these things and perfectly willing to get fucked as long as the non-whites get fucked worse.
Yeah I don't trust what ICE says about parents being reunited since they have fucking lied all the time about that shit. And the more telling thing is they arrested the workers but not the employers, huh almost like those who enabled and were enriched by the work were exempt from the laws being enforced.
That's always been the great big lie about immigration; it would be far more effective to stem immigration by applying massive fines to those who employ undocumented workers than it is to try and round them all up and deport them. If the jobs dry up, they'll stop coming.
The government is just never going to do that for a host of reasons, mostly revolving around being perfectly willing to enable a system where those in power can get filthy rich by exploiting undocumented workers. For all his bluster, Trump was ass-deep in doing so. The fun part is the more undocumented immigrates fear being arrested, the more they'll let companies exploit them.
It's a depraved cycle.
This kind of explanation really tries to pass the buck too much. This isn't some secret plot carried out by nefarious billionaires, it's just the way the food industry works. Not unlike, say, the garment industry or basically every other industry that imports goods from some developing country. It's just part of the system we are all participate in. Basically, how much more expensive do you think your average random person wants their food to be? And so it just kinda keeps going, without much political pressure for major change.
There's a reason the main attack on this stuff comes from the racists. They've always been willing to cut off their minority nose to spite their own faces.
Shryke Scottsman's talking about the aspect of "hmm how odd that ICE seems only concerned with detaining the brown folk doing the work and oddly the rich people hiring them don't even get a passing glance."
How else do you explain the dynamic where despite all the ranting and raving about how terrible immigrants are, bastards keep hiring them with unlivable wages that are paid under the table, with the threat that if they buck the system too much they'll bring down immigration enforcement down on them?
Pretty easily?
The raids are the same as this shit has been for ages now. Racists doing racist things that fuck themselves but that they are ok with because racism is the point. Remember 8 years ago when Alabama passed new laws about immigration checks and suddenly there was food rotting in the fields because there were no seasonal workers to pick it? That's like one example among many. Shit, just look at Trump supporting soybean farmers getting fucked by his trade wars.
The simple fact is that our food production system is built on a back of a ton of cheap migrant labour and no one wants to mess with that shit because no one wants to massively increase the price of food. Except, again, racists because racists are generally pretty short-sighted about these things and perfectly willing to get fucked as long as the non-whites get fucked worse.
I am aware of the system Shryke. What I am trying to point out is that you're kind of glossing over it as this sort of naturally occurring hellscape instead of being the result of a system constructed in part to continue oppressing people to use them as close to slave labor as they can.
Sometimes the racism kicks into gear harder, but overall the system is in place in such a way that employers know they can control their immigrant employees through the fear that if they get out of line they can bring the racist systems down on their heads in retribution.
Yeah I don't trust what ICE says about parents being reunited since they have fucking lied all the time about that shit. And the more telling thing is they arrested the workers but not the employers, huh almost like those who enabled and were enriched by the work were exempt from the laws being enforced.
That's always been the great big lie about immigration; it would be far more effective to stem immigration by applying massive fines to those who employ undocumented workers than it is to try and round them all up and deport them. If the jobs dry up, they'll stop coming.
The government is just never going to do that for a host of reasons, mostly revolving around being perfectly willing to enable a system where those in power can get filthy rich by exploiting undocumented workers. For all his bluster, Trump was ass-deep in doing so. The fun part is the more undocumented immigrates fear being arrested, the more they'll let companies exploit them.
It's a depraved cycle.
This kind of explanation really tries to pass the buck too much. This isn't some secret plot carried out by nefarious billionaires, it's just the way the food industry works. Not unlike, say, the garment industry or basically every other industry that imports goods from some developing country. It's just part of the system we are all participate in. Basically, how much more expensive do you think your average random person wants their food to be? And so it just kinda keeps going, without much political pressure for major change.
There's a reason the main attack on this stuff comes from the racists. They've always been willing to cut off their minority nose to spite their own faces.
Shryke Scottsman's talking about the aspect of "hmm how odd that ICE seems only concerned with detaining the brown folk doing the work and oddly the rich people hiring them don't even get a passing glance."
How else do you explain the dynamic where despite all the ranting and raving about how terrible immigrants are, bastards keep hiring them with unlivable wages that are paid under the table, with the threat that if they buck the system too much they'll bring down immigration enforcement down on them?
Pretty easily?
The raids are the same as this shit has been for ages now. Racists doing racist things that fuck themselves but that they are ok with because racism is the point. Remember 8 years ago when Alabama passed new laws about immigration checks and suddenly there was food rotting in the fields because there were no seasonal workers to pick it? That's like one example among many. Shit, just look at Trump supporting soybean farmers getting fucked by his trade wars.
The simple fact is that our food production system is built on a back of a ton of cheap migrant labour and no one wants to mess with that shit because no one wants to massively increase the price of food. Except, again, racists because racists are generally pretty short-sighted about these things and perfectly willing to get fucked as long as the non-whites get fucked worse.
I am aware of the system Shryke. What I am trying to point out is that you're kind of glossing over it as this sort of naturally occurring hellscape instead of being the result of a system constructed in part to continue oppressing people to use them as close to slave labor as they can.
Sometimes the racism kicks into gear harder, but overall the system is in place in such a way that employers know they can control their immigrant employees through the fear that if they get out of line they can bring the racist systems down on their heads in retribution.
What in god's name are you talking about? I'm literally saying it's a whole system. You are making zero sense dude.
The system is designed to deliver food cheaply. No one wants to raise costs because it's bad for all the individuals in the chain, from the people running the plants to the politicians that might do something about it. That's why no one is really trying to enforce any sort of labour standards here or the like.
The only people rocking this boat are the racists because they value racism more then anything else and are demonstratively willing to fuck themselves over in service to that goal, as it's always been. Everyone else just kinda wants to keep rolling along.
Yeah I don't trust what ICE says about parents being reunited since they have fucking lied all the time about that shit. And the more telling thing is they arrested the workers but not the employers, huh almost like those who enabled and were enriched by the work were exempt from the laws being enforced.
That's always been the great big lie about immigration; it would be far more effective to stem immigration by applying massive fines to those who employ undocumented workers than it is to try and round them all up and deport them. If the jobs dry up, they'll stop coming.
The government is just never going to do that for a host of reasons, mostly revolving around being perfectly willing to enable a system where those in power can get filthy rich by exploiting undocumented workers. For all his bluster, Trump was ass-deep in doing so. The fun part is the more undocumented immigrates fear being arrested, the more they'll let companies exploit them.
It's a depraved cycle.
This kind of explanation really tries to pass the buck too much. This isn't some secret plot carried out by nefarious billionaires, it's just the way the food industry works. Not unlike, say, the garment industry or basically every other industry that imports goods from some developing country. It's just part of the system we are all participate in. Basically, how much more expensive do you think your average random person wants their food to be? And so it just kinda keeps going, without much political pressure for major change.
There's a reason the main attack on this stuff comes from the racists. They've always been willing to cut off their minority nose to spite their own faces.
Shryke Scottsman's talking about the aspect of "hmm how odd that ICE seems only concerned with detaining the brown folk doing the work and oddly the rich people hiring them don't even get a passing glance."
How else do you explain the dynamic where despite all the ranting and raving about how terrible immigrants are, bastards keep hiring them with unlivable wages that are paid under the table, with the threat that if they buck the system too much they'll bring down immigration enforcement down on them?
Pretty easily?
The raids are the same as this shit has been for ages now. Racists doing racist things that fuck themselves but that they are ok with because racism is the point. Remember 8 years ago when Alabama passed new laws about immigration checks and suddenly there was food rotting in the fields because there were no seasonal workers to pick it? That's like one example among many. Shit, just look at Trump supporting soybean farmers getting fucked by his trade wars.
The simple fact is that our food production system is built on a back of a ton of cheap migrant labour and no one wants to mess with that shit because no one wants to massively increase the price of food. Except, again, racists because racists are generally pretty short-sighted about these things and perfectly willing to get fucked as long as the non-whites get fucked worse.
I am aware of the system Shryke. What I am trying to point out is that you're kind of glossing over it as this sort of naturally occurring hellscape instead of being the result of a system constructed in part to continue oppressing people to use them as close to slave labor as they can.
Sometimes the racism kicks into gear harder, but overall the system is in place in such a way that employers know they can control their immigrant employees through the fear that if they get out of line they can bring the racist systems down on their heads in retribution.
What in god's name are you talking about? I'm literally saying it's a whole system. You are making zero sense dude.
The system is designed to deliver food cheaply. No one wants to raise costs because it's bad for all the individuals in the chain, from the people running the plants to the politicians that might do something about it. That's why no one is really trying to enforce any sort of labour standards here or the like.
The only people rocking this boat are the racists because they value racism more then anything else and are demonstratively willing to fuck themselves over in service to that goal, as it's always been. Everyone else just kinda wants to keep rolling along.
Shryke I do not know how else to explain this thing to you, and it feels more like you're comfortable with your position to the point that you're not actually bothering to engage with anything Scottsman or I said.
Scottsman's point as that part of the nature of America's fucked up immigration-related racism is that while the right wing rants and raves about immigrants being terrible, how they take jobs and live on the government dole and all manner of contradictory proto-fascist to full fascist bullshit, the people who make up their donors heavily rely on immigrant labor because it's cheap. Especially in the case of undocumented immigrants, who understandably cannot afford to have the state look their way or they risk their lives getting destroyed like we're seeing now.
So what happens is this: The right wing stokes a culture of white supremacy attacking immigrants. In part, it's because a lot of them buy into the dogma. But also, it serves a practical function for them as well: it creates a culture of fear for immigrants to toe the line and not buck the system. But immigrants still need to eat, pay rent, etc. So they have to find work. And a lot of times, the work is for very wealthy people who pay them under the table because they can then pay them below minimum wage and there's just about nothing the immigrants can do without putting themselves at risk of deportation or, as we're seeing now, getting tossed in camps.
Then, every so often, the White Supremacy angle overwhelms the "profit off the oppression and despair of the captive workforce we're holding hostage thanks to our nightmare policies that crush the sanctity of humanity underfoot in the name of I Want More Money" angle. And you get these massive raids. Except even then, they still serve the profit angle, because it serves as a show of force to keep the immigrants in line; a reminder that if you buck the system, the system will crush you.
Which is why Scottsman talked about the fact that if they really truly cared about stopping immigration, they'd actually crack down on the bosses who are doing all this shit. But it doesn't happen, because there are at the very least those two parts to this dynamic: The White Supremacy, and the desire to have a Slave Labor class, and the people in charge really goddamn want their slave labor class
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ElJeffeNot actually a mod.Roaming the streets, waving his gun around.Moderator, ClubPAmod
As a neutral third party, I am not seeing a lot of difference between what Lanz is saying and what shryke is saying.
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They don't crack down on the bosses because the bosses are not immigrants or minorities dude. It's that simple. There is no incentive to fuck with the system except if you really hate immigrants and minorities.
The system is not some nefarious make-wealthy-people-rich scheme, it's just "how we deliver food cheaply to people", which is the reason basically no one, top to bottom, is trying to rock the boat. Except, again, the racists.
I think Shryke's saying that it isn't a top level "Conspiracy" conspiracy where this was all planned out in advance, rather it's just a convenient alignment of shared interests and market realities that has produced this result, on of those realities being the cheap produce prices that everyday American's desire. Hence the "passing the buck" comment.
If I can sum up:
The system is founded on exploiting brown people, and that's bad; but some people hate them so much they're willing to wreck the system to get rid of them all.
If I can sum up:
The system is founded on exploiting brown people, and that's bad; but some people hate them so much they're willing to wreck the system to get rid of them all.
The tax cuts are the price the white supremacists are willing to pay for the racism.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
They don't crack down on the bosses because the bosses are not immigrants or minorities dude. It's that simple. There is no incentive to fuck with the system except if you really hate immigrants and minorities.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the last time I heard about the actual owners of a place being arrested for employing illegal immigrants, it was the owners of a kosher meat packing plant.
I grew up in Mississippi. I was always taught that "jackbooted federal thugs coming to take us away" was the precise reason we had a 2nd Amendment, and the reason I should know how to use a gun.
I'm just sad the people who taught me that wussed out yesterday when it finally happened.
Nah, that was for when liberal jackbooted federal thugs came along. All the people with that particular fantasy yearn for the conservative ones to round up their enemies; at that point the Second Amendment is meant to protect the state.
They were worried about it precisely because they knew that's what they would do if they were in power.
I think we're all hip to the fact that in this administration resigned means fired in all but name.
I don't think it's a universal policy (I'm thinking a few might have left because they legitimately were over working under such incompetence), but it's definitely the most likely result.
And will become moreso as the term proceeds. Basically, if you haven't left by now, you aren't going to. And signing on now, I think people are fully aware checking your soul at the door is a requirement.
I think we're all hip to the fact that in this administration resigned means fired in all but name.
I don't think it's a universal policy (I'm thinking a few might have left because they legitimately were over working under such incompetence), but it's definitely the most likely result.
And will become moreso as the term proceeds. Basically, if you haven't left by now, you aren't going to. And signing on now, I think people are fully aware checking your soul at the door is a requirement.
This is a dude that already checked his before Trump was elected, in all likelyhood.
I think we're all hip to the fact that in this administration resigned means fired in all but name.
I don't think it's a universal policy (I'm thinking a few might have left because they legitimately were over working under such incompetence), but it's definitely the most likely result.
And will become moreso as the term proceeds. Basically, if you haven't left by now, you aren't going to. And signing on now, I think people are fully aware checking your soul at the door is a requirement.
This is a dude that already checked his before Trump was elected, in all likelyhood.
More meaning some of the more entrenched bueracracy types that fit the Venn ovetlap between civil service and appointment.
Anyone actively recruited by Trump is compromised from the outset.
God the dude looks like a sleaze ball. Also lol at the whole "spend more time with family," I wonder where I've heard that line before. Also the whole being firedresigning thing and refusing to answer questions after missing the first congressional request to testify before congress. I guess that's bingo.
All I can say is good riddance. Now if we could just put like the entirety of ICE out of a job, along with wall the border officers that are up to the same vile shit as them.
They don't crack down on the bosses because the bosses are not immigrants or minorities dude. It's that simple. There is no incentive to fuck with the system except if you really hate immigrants and minorities.
The system is not some nefarious make-wealthy-people-rich scheme, it's just "how we deliver food cheaply to people", which is the reason basically no one, top to bottom, is trying to rock the boat. Except, again, the racists.
So the police doesn't arrest fences, only thieves, if I may use that analogy?
I grew up in Mississippi. I was always taught that "jackbooted federal thugs coming to take us away" was the precise reason we had a 2nd Amendment, and the reason I should know how to use a gun.
I'm just sad the people who taught me that wussed out yesterday when it finally happened.
No, you see, they're not doing anything to white people, so it's ok.
The jackbooted thugs were inside us all along.
I've lost track of the thread I mentioned it in last time, given the way white supremacist violence is either the core or a massive aspect of multiple threads at the moment, but reminder that America had it's own form of Krystalnacht nearly 20 years before Germany carried out theirs as white townspeople burned the black neighborhood of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma to the ground.
Greenwood was just one of dozens of similar pogroms and thousands of murders starting in 1898 (Wilmington Riots) and extending into the 1920s. Red Summer was very long.
There are several historians who believe the only reason the nation held back on genocide was that Americans relied too much on cheap and free black labor.
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
Central Park is literally built on the graves of black folks.
I grew up in Mississippi. I was always taught that "jackbooted federal thugs coming to take us away" was the precise reason we had a 2nd Amendment, and the reason I should know how to use a gun.
I'm just sad the people who taught me that wussed out yesterday when it finally happened.
No, you see, they're not doing anything to white people, so it's ok.
The jackbooted thugs were inside us all along.
I've lost track of the thread I mentioned it in last time, given the way white supremacist violence is either the core or a massive aspect of multiple threads at the moment, but reminder that America had it's own form of Krystalnacht nearly 20 years before Germany carried out theirs as white townspeople burned the black neighborhood of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma to the ground.
Greenwood was just one of dozens of similar pogroms and thousands of murders starting in 1898 (Wilmington Riots) and extending into the 1920s. Red Summer was very long.
There are several historians who believe the only reason the nation held back on genocide was that Americans relied too much on cheap and free black labor.
It's also no surprise The Great Migration happened at almost exactly the same time.
I grew up in Mississippi. I was always taught that "jackbooted federal thugs coming to take us away" was the precise reason we had a 2nd Amendment, and the reason I should know how to use a gun.
I'm just sad the people who taught me that wussed out yesterday when it finally happened.
No, you see, they're not doing anything to white people, so it's ok.
The jackbooted thugs were inside us all along.
I've lost track of the thread I mentioned it in last time, given the way white supremacist violence is either the core or a massive aspect of multiple threads at the moment, but reminder that America had it's own form of Krystalnacht nearly 20 years before Germany carried out theirs as white townspeople burned the black neighborhood of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma to the ground.
Greenwood was just one of dozens of similar pogroms and thousands of murders starting in 1898 (Wilmington Riots) and extending into the 1920s. Red Summer was very long.
There are several historians who believe the only reason the nation held back on genocide was that Americans relied too much on cheap and free black labor.
It's also no surprise The Great Migration happened at almost exactly the same time.
Which, when matched by the fact that many of the Southern states were black majority after the Civil War, means that the modern balance of power in American politics was shaped by a successful wave of ethnic cleansing in the 20th century.
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Which, when matched by the fact that many of the Southern states were black majority after the Civil War, means that the modern balance of power in American politics was shaped by a successful wave of ethnic cleansing in the 20th century.
Which, when matched by the fact that many of the Southern states were black majority after the Civil War, means that the modern balance of power in American politics was shaped by a successful wave of ethnic cleansing in the 20th century.
I'd never thought of it like that. Well, shit.
It's not like history outside of graduate level courses ever look in the direction of such a perspective. And with the majority of teachers having to "teach to the test" in order to get through the year on time, there's good reasons that history, math, and science courses on YouTube have a great value. I know I've learned more from there than in 16 years I spent in primary schooling.
All opinions are my own and in no way reflect that of my employer.
I can't speak to the math and science courses, but you definitely have to be really careful about getting your history from Youtube due to the combination of people who just aren't that good at it on the one hand, and ahistorical bad actors with particular axes to grind on the other.
For the umpteenth time, Trump openly admits that the cruelty we as a nation are inflicting on the poor and disadvantaged is entirely intentional. One wonders how even someone as dense as he is can fail to realize that his strategy is not working because as cruel as he has been, he's still not as cruel as the people these refugees are fleeing from. And then one realizes that his solution is simply to increase the cruelty and one doesn't want to live on this planet any more.
Trump defends deportation raids at Mississippi food processing plants that left children abandoned because it's "a very good deterrent," again floats idea of using white supremacist mass shooting & need for stronger background checks as leverage for hardline immigration reform
The man accused of carrying out last weekend's deadly mass shooting at a Walmart in the Texas border city of El Paso confessed to officers while he was surrendering and later explained that he had been targeting Mexicans, authorities say.
Crusius later waived his Miranda rights and agreed to speak with detectives, telling them he entered the store with an AK-47 assault rifle and multiple magazines, and that he was targeting Mexicans.
Not even a fucking week and he wants to turn the event his rhetoric caused to push FOR WHAT THE FUCKING MURDERER WANTED!
He was pushing for this the very next day after the murder if I remember correctly. So, as usual, Trump is even worse than it would seem at first glance.
"Terrible things are happening outside... poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared."
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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Not even a fucking week and he wants to turn the event his rhetoric caused to push FOR WHAT THE FUCKING MURDERER WANTED!
"We don't negotiate with terrorists" technically holds true if you skip the negotiation part I suppose. God he's awful.
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This thread details how completely fucked up that raid was, including that it seems as though they scheduled it deliberately for after the El Paso shooting to get media attention, and that the business owner is guilty of a lot of shit, isn’t being charged, and oh hey is a big Trump donor:
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Seriously, fuck this shit.
This kind of explanation really tries to pass the buck too much. This isn't some secret plot carried out by nefarious billionaires, it's just the way the food industry works. Not unlike, say, the garment industry or basically every other industry that imports goods from some developing country. It's just part of the system we are all participate in. Basically, how much more expensive do you think your average random person wants their food to be? And so it just kinda keeps going, without much political pressure for major change.
There's a reason the main attack on this stuff comes from the racists. They've always been willing to cut off their minority nose to spite their own faces.
They want slaves and serfs and this is their most surefire way of getting that dynamic.
Shryke Scottsman's talking about the aspect of "hmm how odd that ICE seems only concerned with detaining the brown folk doing the work and oddly the rich people hiring them don't even get a passing glance."
How else do you explain the dynamic where despite all the ranting and raving about how terrible immigrants are, bastards keep hiring them with unlivable wages that are paid under the table, with the threat that if they buck the system too much they'll bring down immigration enforcement down on them?
Pretty easily?
The raids are the same as this shit has been for ages now. Racists doing racist things that fuck themselves but that they are ok with because racism is the point. Remember 8 years ago when Alabama passed new laws about immigration checks and suddenly there was food rotting in the fields because there were no seasonal workers to pick it? That's like one example among many. Shit, just look at Trump supporting soybean farmers getting fucked by his trade wars.
The simple fact is that our food production system is built on a back of a ton of cheap migrant labour and no one wants to mess with that shit because no one wants to massively increase the price of food. Except, again, racists because racists are generally pretty short-sighted about these things and perfectly willing to get fucked as long as the non-whites get fucked worse.
I am aware of the system Shryke. What I am trying to point out is that you're kind of glossing over it as this sort of naturally occurring hellscape instead of being the result of a system constructed in part to continue oppressing people to use them as close to slave labor as they can.
Sometimes the racism kicks into gear harder, but overall the system is in place in such a way that employers know they can control their immigrant employees through the fear that if they get out of line they can bring the racist systems down on their heads in retribution.
What in god's name are you talking about? I'm literally saying it's a whole system. You are making zero sense dude.
The system is designed to deliver food cheaply. No one wants to raise costs because it's bad for all the individuals in the chain, from the people running the plants to the politicians that might do something about it. That's why no one is really trying to enforce any sort of labour standards here or the like.
The only people rocking this boat are the racists because they value racism more then anything else and are demonstratively willing to fuck themselves over in service to that goal, as it's always been. Everyone else just kinda wants to keep rolling along.
Shryke I do not know how else to explain this thing to you, and it feels more like you're comfortable with your position to the point that you're not actually bothering to engage with anything Scottsman or I said.
Scottsman's point as that part of the nature of America's fucked up immigration-related racism is that while the right wing rants and raves about immigrants being terrible, how they take jobs and live on the government dole and all manner of contradictory proto-fascist to full fascist bullshit, the people who make up their donors heavily rely on immigrant labor because it's cheap. Especially in the case of undocumented immigrants, who understandably cannot afford to have the state look their way or they risk their lives getting destroyed like we're seeing now.
So what happens is this: The right wing stokes a culture of white supremacy attacking immigrants. In part, it's because a lot of them buy into the dogma. But also, it serves a practical function for them as well: it creates a culture of fear for immigrants to toe the line and not buck the system. But immigrants still need to eat, pay rent, etc. So they have to find work. And a lot of times, the work is for very wealthy people who pay them under the table because they can then pay them below minimum wage and there's just about nothing the immigrants can do without putting themselves at risk of deportation or, as we're seeing now, getting tossed in camps.
Then, every so often, the White Supremacy angle overwhelms the "profit off the oppression and despair of the captive workforce we're holding hostage thanks to our nightmare policies that crush the sanctity of humanity underfoot in the name of I Want More Money" angle. And you get these massive raids. Except even then, they still serve the profit angle, because it serves as a show of force to keep the immigrants in line; a reminder that if you buck the system, the system will crush you.
Which is why Scottsman talked about the fact that if they really truly cared about stopping immigration, they'd actually crack down on the bosses who are doing all this shit. But it doesn't happen, because there are at the very least those two parts to this dynamic: The White Supremacy, and the desire to have a Slave Labor class, and the people in charge really goddamn want their slave labor class
The system is not some nefarious make-wealthy-people-rich scheme, it's just "how we deliver food cheaply to people", which is the reason basically no one, top to bottom, is trying to rock the boat. Except, again, the racists.
The system is founded on exploiting brown people, and that's bad; but some people hate them so much they're willing to wreck the system to get rid of them all.
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/749573662/doj-official-behind-failed-census-citizenship-question-to-leave-department
The tax cuts are the price the white supremacists are willing to pay for the racism.
I think we're all hip to the fact that in this administration resigned means fired in all but name.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the last time I heard about the actual owners of a place being arrested for employing illegal immigrants, it was the owners of a kosher meat packing plant.
They were worried about it precisely because they knew that's what they would do if they were in power.
I don't think it's a universal policy (I'm thinking a few might have left because they legitimately were over working under such incompetence), but it's definitely the most likely result.
And will become moreso as the term proceeds. Basically, if you haven't left by now, you aren't going to. And signing on now, I think people are fully aware checking your soul at the door is a requirement.
This is a dude that already checked his before Trump was elected, in all likelyhood.
More meaning some of the more entrenched bueracracy types that fit the Venn ovetlap between civil service and appointment.
Anyone actively recruited by Trump is compromised from the outset.
God the dude looks like a sleaze ball. Also lol at the whole "spend more time with family," I wonder where I've heard that line before. Also the whole being firedresigning thing and refusing to answer questions after missing the first congressional request to testify before congress. I guess that's bingo.
All I can say is good riddance. Now if we could just put like the entirety of ICE out of a job, along with wall the border officers that are up to the same vile shit as them.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
So the police doesn't arrest fences, only thieves, if I may use that analogy?
Greenwood was just one of dozens of similar pogroms and thousands of murders starting in 1898 (Wilmington Riots) and extending into the 1920s. Red Summer was very long.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Summer
There are several historians who believe the only reason the nation held back on genocide was that Americans relied too much on cheap and free black labor.
It's also no surprise The Great Migration happened at almost exactly the same time.
Which, when matched by the fact that many of the Southern states were black majority after the Civil War, means that the modern balance of power in American politics was shaped by a successful wave of ethnic cleansing in the 20th century.
I'd never thought of it like that. Well, shit.
It's not like history outside of graduate level courses ever look in the direction of such a perspective. And with the majority of teachers having to "teach to the test" in order to get through the year on time, there's good reasons that history, math, and science courses on YouTube have a great value. I know I've learned more from there than in 16 years I spent in primary schooling.
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Is it too soon to politicise a tragedy?
Yes, if you're a Democrat.
Something that was a bit speculative, but as of now is explicitly confirmed: he's confessed that he went there to kill Mexicans
(*goes to vomit*)
He was pushing for this the very next day after the murder if I remember correctly. So, as usual, Trump is even worse than it would seem at first glance.
(Thread is based on a FB post by an employee of United Way.)