I want scientific research on the office layout that makes workers happiest. Compare that to most productive layout. Does having no privacy actually keep you on task more?
No.
And the less privacy you have the more disruptions you tend to have too. People talking on the phone in open space or with half walls will echo/carry and interrupt other workers. Especially loud talkers.
I bet you full actual offices have the best happiness/productivity but cubicles with full walls are a close second.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
I want scientific research on the office layout that makes workers happiest. Compare that to most productive layout. Does having no privacy actually keep you on task more?
full offices, without a doubt. For both questions.
You might say "but bowen, people can fuck and watch porn in their offices and no one would know, wouldn't that hurt productivity" but boy howdy let me tell you open office plans do not stop people from looking at porn.
It's crazy how often I have addressed this problem as IT.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
I will admit that I was less happy / more anxious when I was in a cube with full walls and people were constantly walking by me. Now I have an office and I get much less done, but it's very comfortable!
bleric is having an exceedingly, comically good day and she called me and woke me out of a dead sleep and gushed exuberantly for 15 minutes and then about 30 seconds after i was fully conscious she was like ok i have to go i love you bye!
yawned and stretched and drank some water and now i'm referencing my phone for proof that the conversation definitely happened
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
We have cubes for sales and support people, the QA and devs have "pits" that are enclosed from the outside but open on the inside, and offices all along the outside of the building.
So there's a fair amount of privacy and sound dampening with some modern sensibilities.
Oh and an 80 inch screen with a Nintendo Switch in the breakroom, we're in the middle of an office-wide Smash tournament.
I will admit that I was less happy / more anxious when I was in a cube with full walls and people were constantly walking by me. Now I have an office and I get much less done, but it's very comfortable!
The higher up in the org chart you get (that corresponds with that office usually) the less "work" you do. You're just doing more organizational work usually.
I get "less" done but I am doing more high level things than I used to. It sucks for the things that need to be gotten done though.
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not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
even the most horny office will spend very little time fucking in their offices compared to the amount of time someone will be droning on while leaning over the cubicle while they were on their way to get coffee
We have cubes for sales and support people, the QA and devs have "pits" that are enclosed from the outside but open on the inside, and offices all along the outside of the building.
So there's a fair amount of privacy and sound dampening with some modern sensibilities.
Oh and an 80 inch screen with a Nintendo Switch in the breakroom, we're in the middle of an office-wide Smash tournament.
he didn't know because i have a calm, studied exterior but i was furious and on the border of 'incandescent' at how much better shark was than me at smash. i took out my frustrations on his children and at least came in second almost every round.
even the most horny office will spend very little time fucking in their offices compared to the amount of time someone will be droning on while leaning over the cubicle while they were on their way to get coffee
We had one lady that was a sex addict when I worked for shit co and instead of addressing the problem directly with the person they decided to just try and police her computer usage and put her right at the front door.
As soon as my boss wasn't looking, whoops porn.
I think it made my boss uncomfortable to talk about because he was a born again evangelical cult member type person.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
I want scientific research on the office layout that makes workers happiest. Compare that to most productive layout. Does having no privacy actually keep you on task more?
I openly post on the forums in an open-plan setup but I'm also a loose cannon who doesn't play by the rules, sarge, but dammit you just can't argue with my results
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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I will admit that I was less happy / more anxious when I was in a cube with full walls and people were constantly walking by me. Now I have an office and I get much less done, but it's very comfortable!
ah, yes, the "oh shit, look busy" path to work efficiency
that goes away on its own over time anyway
being able to sit down and work without any distractions is what makes full offices much more efficient. And the distraction is mainly chatting to other people.
you're not just passing by an office, you have to enter. So it will more often be because they actually have something they need to talk with you about.
I will admit that I was less happy / more anxious when I was in a cube with full walls and people were constantly walking by me. Now I have an office and I get much less done, but it's very comfortable!
The higher up in the org chart you get (that corresponds with that office usually) the less "work" you do. You're just doing more organizational work usually.
I get "less" done but I am doing more high level things than I used to. It sucks for the things that need to be gotten done though.
I don't begrudge admin work as not work, but when admin compartmentalizes everything it's easy to think they're not doing anything
Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
the closest thing i've had to an office job (data entry- i only had a very locked down computer, no internet access etc so i didn't get to have the usual white collar experience of faffing about) we had basically open office. there were cubes but they were like, walls that were only four inches higher than desk level. just dividers, really. some of the old ladies i worked with complained to our boss that i was peeing too frequently, which made them feel like i wasn't working as hard as they were. oof.
Also my favorite thing about carp is that Europeans fucking loooovvvveee carp fishing and spend thousands and thousands on carp gear and most Americans just want to throw them on the bank and let them rot.
even the most horny office will spend very little time fucking in their offices compared to the amount of time someone will be droning on while leaning over the cubicle while they were on their way to get coffee
We had one lady that was a sex addict when I worked for shit co and instead of addressing the problem directly with the person they decided to just try and police her computer usage and put her right at the front door.
As soon as my boss wasn't looking, whoops porn.
I think it made my boss uncomfortable to talk about because he was a born again evangelical cult member type person.
that can't have helped
but also
I'm imagining someone telling me "yeah so barbara is a sex addict and will not stop looking at porn at work, you need to do something"
and I'm pretty sure I would, after steepling my fingers and looking out the window for a few moments, just say "I will not"
every fibre of my being would fight against having that conversation
even the most horny office will spend very little time fucking in their offices compared to the amount of time someone will be droning on while leaning over the cubicle while they were on their way to get coffee
We had one lady that was a sex addict when I worked for shit co and instead of addressing the problem directly with the person they decided to just try and police her computer usage and put her right at the front door.
As soon as my boss wasn't looking, whoops porn.
I think it made my boss uncomfortable to talk about because he was a born again evangelical cult member type person.
that can't have helped
but also
I'm imagining someone telling me "yeah so barbara is a sex addict and will not stop looking at porn at work, you need to do something"
and I'm pretty sure I would, after steepling my fingers and looking out the window for a few moments, just say "I will not"
every fibre of my being would fight against having that conversation
usually it's a little more generic than that but y'all know who they're talking about when they do it
also when you're making $10/hr you kind of go "SURE YUP WHATEVER YOU SAY BOSS"
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
even the most horny office will spend very little time fucking in their offices compared to the amount of time someone will be droning on while leaning over the cubicle while they were on their way to get coffee
We had one lady that was a sex addict when I worked for shit co and instead of addressing the problem directly with the person they decided to just try and police her computer usage and put her right at the front door.
As soon as my boss wasn't looking, whoops porn.
I think it made my boss uncomfortable to talk about because he was a born again evangelical cult member type person.
that can't have helped
but also
I'm imagining someone telling me "yeah so barbara is a sex addict and will not stop looking at porn at work, you need to do something"
and I'm pretty sure I would, after steepling my fingers and looking out the window for a few moments, just say "I will not"
every fibre of my being would fight against having that conversation
usually it's a little more generic than that but y'all know who they're talking about when they do it
also when you're making $10/hr you kind of go "SURE YUP WHATEVER YOU SAY BOSS"
I was imagining myself as the boss being asked to deal with this sensitive matter, here
if I was not a boss or at least HR in some capacity, then I'd just say "nope" without looking up because haha nope
even the most horny office will spend very little time fucking in their offices compared to the amount of time someone will be droning on while leaning over the cubicle while they were on their way to get coffee
We had one lady that was a sex addict when I worked for shit co and instead of addressing the problem directly with the person they decided to just try and police her computer usage and put her right at the front door.
As soon as my boss wasn't looking, whoops porn.
I think it made my boss uncomfortable to talk about because he was a born again evangelical cult member type person.
that can't have helped
but also
I'm imagining someone telling me "yeah so barbara is a sex addict and will not stop looking at porn at work, you need to do something"
and I'm pretty sure I would, after steepling my fingers and looking out the window for a few moments, just say "I will not"
every fibre of my being would fight against having that conversation
usually it's a little more generic than that but y'all know who they're talking about when they do it
also when you're making $10/hr you kind of go "SURE YUP WHATEVER YOU SAY BOSS"
I was imagining myself as the boss being asked to deal with this sensitive matter, here
if I was not a boss or at least HR in some capacity, then I'd just say "nope" without looking up because haha nope
Last year I was questioned by HR because it had gotten up to them that one of the IT guys in our office often spoke inappropriately on the phone with our customers. What was inappropriate, you ask? He frequently, far too frequently, discussed his daughter's breast size and other "development." Height, weight, cup size, periods. Like, way way too much emphasis on his underage daughter's huge tits.
I think he got a talking to, because he stopped doing it. But thank god I didn't have to have that conversation with him.
even the most horny office will spend very little time fucking in their offices compared to the amount of time someone will be droning on while leaning over the cubicle while they were on their way to get coffee
We had one lady that was a sex addict when I worked for shit co and instead of addressing the problem directly with the person they decided to just try and police her computer usage and put her right at the front door.
As soon as my boss wasn't looking, whoops porn.
I think it made my boss uncomfortable to talk about because he was a born again evangelical cult member type person.
that can't have helped
but also
I'm imagining someone telling me "yeah so barbara is a sex addict and will not stop looking at porn at work, you need to do something"
and I'm pretty sure I would, after steepling my fingers and looking out the window for a few moments, just say "I will not"
every fibre of my being would fight against having that conversation
usually it's a little more generic than that but y'all know who they're talking about when they do it
also when you're making $10/hr you kind of go "SURE YUP WHATEVER YOU SAY BOSS"
I was imagining myself as the boss being asked to deal with this sensitive matter, here
if I was not a boss or at least HR in some capacity, then I'd just say "nope" without looking up because haha nope
Last year I was questioned by HR because it had gotten up to them that one of the IT guys in our office often spoke inappropriately on the phone with our customers. What was inappropriate, you ask? He frequently, far too frequently, discussed his daughter's breast size and other "development." Height, weight, cup size, periods. Like, way way too much emphasis on his underage daughter's huge tits.
I think he got a talking to, because he stopped doing it. But thank god I didn't have to have that conversation with him.
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yeah there would have to be a gun involved to get me to go have that conversation
the closest thing i've had to an office job (data entry- i only had a very locked down computer, no internet access etc so i didn't get to have the usual white collar experience of faffing about) we had basically open office. there were cubes but they were like, walls that were only four inches higher than desk level. just dividers, really. some of the old ladies i worked with complained to our boss that i was peeing too frequently, which made them feel like i wasn't working as hard as they were. oof.
Jesus Sharon it’s called class consciousness maybe you could get some
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And the less privacy you have the more disruptions you tend to have too. People talking on the phone in open space or with half walls will echo/carry and interrupt other workers. Especially loud talkers.
I bet you full actual offices have the best happiness/productivity but cubicles with full walls are a close second.
full offices, without a doubt. For both questions.
It's crazy how often I have addressed this problem as IT.
yawned and stretched and drank some water and now i'm referencing my phone for proof that the conversation definitely happened
So there's a fair amount of privacy and sound dampening with some modern sensibilities.
Oh and an 80 inch screen with a Nintendo Switch in the breakroom, we're in the middle of an office-wide Smash tournament.
The higher up in the org chart you get (that corresponds with that office usually) the less "work" you do. You're just doing more organizational work usually.
I get "less" done but I am doing more high level things than I used to. It sucks for the things that need to be gotten done though.
he didn't know because i have a calm, studied exterior but i was furious and on the border of 'incandescent' at how much better shark was than me at smash. i took out my frustrations on his children and at least came in second almost every round.
We had one lady that was a sex addict when I worked for shit co and instead of addressing the problem directly with the person they decided to just try and police her computer usage and put her right at the front door.
As soon as my boss wasn't looking, whoops porn.
I think it made my boss uncomfortable to talk about because he was a born again evangelical cult member type person.
This is unforgivable
I openly post on the forums in an open-plan setup but I'm also a loose cannon who doesn't play by the rules, sarge, but dammit you just can't argue with my results
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Look, we don't all get to be yoga hitmen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
one day when I hit it big and have lots of money I will stay home in my sweat pants instead
ah, yes, the "oh shit, look busy" path to work efficiency
that goes away on its own over time anyway
being able to sit down and work without any distractions is what makes full offices much more efficient. And the distraction is mainly chatting to other people.
you're not just passing by an office, you have to enter. So it will more often be because they actually have something they need to talk with you about.
Colorado sea bass
I don't begrudge admin work as not work, but when admin compartmentalizes everything it's easy to think they're not doing anything
Having a YouTube channel is a terrible curse
that can't have helped
but also
I'm imagining someone telling me "yeah so barbara is a sex addict and will not stop looking at porn at work, you need to do something"
and I'm pretty sure I would, after steepling my fingers and looking out the window for a few moments, just say "I will not"
every fibre of my being would fight against having that conversation
either I've made a model where I can name things what I want, names don't have to match anything I got given
or, if it's just pure math, then sometimes I simply lead with "ϑ = φ" just to write a variable that gives me more joy
usually it's a little more generic than that but y'all know who they're talking about when they do it
also when you're making $10/hr you kind of go "SURE YUP WHATEVER YOU SAY BOSS"
done
why is porn even accessible at work
I was imagining myself as the boss being asked to deal with this sensitive matter, here
if I was not a boss or at least HR in some capacity, then I'd just say "nope" without looking up because haha nope
apropos of nothing but I like this logo
Last year I was questioned by HR because it had gotten up to them that one of the IT guys in our office often spoke inappropriately on the phone with our customers. What was inappropriate, you ask? He frequently, far too frequently, discussed his daughter's breast size and other "development." Height, weight, cup size, periods. Like, way way too much emphasis on his underage daughter's huge tits.
I think he got a talking to, because he stopped doing it. But thank god I didn't have to have that conversation with him.
how do you not kill us all on a daily basis
Cursed internet
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yeah there would have to be a gun involved to get me to go have that conversation
But sometimes the openness does motivate more productivity
In a closed office I'd probably be even more distracted but also more productive when I'm working hard, because of the quiet and fewer interruptions
Jesus Sharon it’s called class consciousness maybe you could get some