I still wonder what the hell they're going to do with non-Primaris marines going forward.
Part of me thinks they'll be phased out, but I wonder if they're just flushing out the Primaris line before turning their attention back.
I figured the old Empire models and stuff for Age of Sigmar were fucking donezo due to Stormcasts, then BAM, Cities of Sigmar.
I feel the Blood Angel and Space Wolf xmas deals are part of the push to retain them. As many people want assault primaris but I really don't see that coming.
I still wonder what the hell they're going to do with non-Primaris marines going forward.
Part of me thinks they'll be phased out, but I wonder if they're just flushing out the Primaris line before turning their attention back.
I figured the old Empire models and stuff for Age of Sigmar were fucking donezo due to Stormcasts, then BAM, Cities of Sigmar.
I dunno if they’ll ever be phased out completely but I’d be very surprised if they ever made any new small-marines.
Like, what would you even add to that range? It feels like they already covered almost any variety of marine you could think of.
I still wonder what the hell they're going to do with non-Primaris marines going forward.
Part of me thinks they'll be phased out, but I wonder if they're just flushing out the Primaris line before turning their attention back.
I figured the old Empire models and stuff for Age of Sigmar were fucking donezo due to Stormcasts, then BAM, Cities of Sigmar.
I feel the Blood Angel and Space Wolf xmas deals are part of the push to retain them. As many people want assault primaris but I really don't see that coming.
Which is bonkers to me in a way. Not one melee focused primaris unit (HQs don't count)?
I still wonder what the hell they're going to do with non-Primaris marines going forward.
Part of me thinks they'll be phased out, but I wonder if they're just flushing out the Primaris line before turning their attention back.
I figured the old Empire models and stuff for Age of Sigmar were fucking donezo due to Stormcasts, then BAM, Cities of Sigmar.
I feel the Blood Angel and Space Wolf xmas deals are part of the push to retain them. As many people want assault primaris but I really don't see that coming.
Which is bonkers to me in a way. Not one melee focused primaris unit (HQs don't count)?
When your basic troops get three attacks on the charge do you really need a melee unit?
I still wonder what the hell they're going to do with non-Primaris marines going forward.
Part of me thinks they'll be phased out, but I wonder if they're just flushing out the Primaris line before turning their attention back.
I figured the old Empire models and stuff for Age of Sigmar were fucking donezo due to Stormcasts, then BAM, Cities of Sigmar.
I feel the Blood Angel and Space Wolf xmas deals are part of the push to retain them. As many people want assault primaris but I really don't see that coming.
Which is bonkers to me in a way. Not one melee focused primaris unit (HQs don't count)?
It was the custom chapter stuff that brought that idea back up as Chapter tactics Whirlwind of Rage doesn't really lend itself to the gunline of primaris nor does having your commander with champion of humanity or imperium's sword
And the start collecting with generic marines {ultramarines} the others are deathwatch, blood angels and space wolves But what if you wanted hand to hand marines as your army? getting the Assault Squad seems like a waste of time if you want non jetpack marines
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We played 9 hours of Blackstone Fortress yesterday. That shit rules - probably going to grab some expansions for it because this was the most fun my gaming group has had in a long time.
I still wonder what the hell they're going to do with non-Primaris marines going forward.
Part of me thinks they'll be phased out, but I wonder if they're just flushing out the Primaris line before turning their attention back.
I figured the old Empire models and stuff for Age of Sigmar were fucking donezo due to Stormcasts, then BAM, Cities of Sigmar.
Nothing, I expect, in the Voxcasts with Jes Goodwin they were pretty clear that the whole Primaris line was initially established as the Space Marine redesign.
Just as they started to get the various 'human' factions to be more correctly scaled against each other, the Primaris would then be True-scaled against them as marines (and against older marines as Primaris). Making new non-primaris would kind of mess up the future scaling a bit.
Think you've only got to look at the new chaos marines to see that there's probably not going to be any non-primaris stuff. Or if there was, it'd be half way between Primaris and the old scale.
I think eventually we'll see the Cities of Sigmar get more of a cohesive look across humans, elves and dwarfs - but there's a big difference between launching a new range for one army and a whole setting.
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Good discussion!
I can't see them ditching iconic units like Termies, Landraiders, and what have you. I also can't see them getting new units, which isn't to say I can't see them updating older kits versions of existing kits. An updated Tactical Squad for, example.
Rules-wise, I DO think they might be leaning a little bit into the power curve of new models. They DO need a return on investment. With that said, the Salamander codex pretty clearly favors old marines due to the paucity of flamers and meltas in the primaris units.
It also seems in the fluff that Chapters barely train scouts anymore. In the new codexes it says the Scout Companies are basically Vanguard Companies with some leftover scouts thrown in.
I wonder if the next round of Primaris would be a re-imaging of the Terminators/Assault/Devastator marines.
Terminators are iconic enough, that they'd need to make the jump across rather than just being replaced with Gravis alternatives but I think the Repulsors are probably close enough in look to the Raiders that they might not make it - there's also not really an assault equivalent yet (plus the jump packs actually look quite good on Primaris as it is), and just sticking a jump pack on a Primaris unit might be simple enough to be a fast option that isn't a bike.
Though a bike replacement for Primaris is going to be brushing pretty close to a Landspeeder as it is, so I could easily see those two combined.
I can't see them ditching iconic units like Termies, Landraiders, and what have you. I also can't see them getting new units, which isn't to say I can't see them updating older kits versions of existing kits. An updated Tactical Squad for, example.
Rules-wise, I DO think they might be leaning a little bit into the power curve of new models. They DO need a return on investment. With that said, the Salamander codex pretty clearly favors old marines due to the paucity of flamers and meltas in the primaris units.
I fully expect meltas and flamers to come out soon for primaris.
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Update: I grabbed Endless Peril, Advanced Arsenal, Cultists of the Abyss, and Servants of the Abyss for Blackstone Fortress. I already have Abominable Intellect so this completes the base game to make it tougher, more diverse, and give players more gear options.
This tome will see the Psychic Awakening’s effects begin to take hold in the Imperium, as the Emperor’s most faithful warriors go head to head with the Heretic Astartes. What’s more, the book will include codex supplement-tier content for the Black Templars, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers.
I am still trying to figure out the meaning of this.
What is a codex supplement tier level rules? Like do we get new rules? Just some new stratagems and artifacts?
I am hoping they get rules to put them up to the level just normal non-supplemental loyalist. But really I am not expecting that.
Black Templars will probably also get datasheets for Sword Brethren and the Emperor's champ, but don't think Chaos is missing any at the moment.
I mean outside their tactics are only infantry, dreads, and characters. Also kind of terrible. The actual legions are all really bad or half as good as their loyalist equivalents.
Black Legion: Not changing, can fire rapid fire guns as if they are assault. Plus 1 leadership. This is not great but they have a lot of toys and Abbadon. Decently close to the UM. The chainlord and such are really good.
Renegades are fine. Sure its one ability but The Purge, Red Corsairs, and Flawless host are in really good spots.
Emperor's Children-Strike first in combat. They could use something that is a bit stronger. This wasn't strong when it came out and EC are a shooting specialist with noise marines.
Iron Warriors-Just a copy of the old Imperial Fist. It would be fun if they were like a counter instead of a copy.
World Eaters-+1 attack on a charge. Well everyone has this. So they are +2 now. Just so much overkill.
Word Bearers- Reroll morale. Doesn't even affect cultist anymore. Please help them GW. Make them something? I still think summoning/possession would be their key.
Night Lords- Morale stuff. Its a shame it sucks. It is so thematic.
Alpha Legion-I would put good money they get changed into Raven Guard. The flat -1 is dying.
We played 9 hours of Blackstone Fortress yesterday. That shit rules - probably going to grab some expansions for it because this was the most fun my gaming group has had in a long time.
It does I want to play it more but the dogs get freaked out by the table and we broke a chair so it's no fun playing on the floor
Sigh the new Necromunda is next week but oddly they have waterslide graffiti
Still hopefully I either get my tax returns or unemployement rolling as it's getting old fighting with this state over it
Primaris marines are also supposed to be borderline immune to falling to chaos.
Sounds like loyalist hubris to me!
Also Bile is just making his own spikey-primaris. Dont have to fall when you're born at the bottom.
What? Where is this? I know in the clonelord book Bile had made a good clone of Fulgrim but got the secrets of how to make certain things from the haemonculi. Also this is where you find out the haemonculi have psychic powers but have kept them on the downlow for various reasons
as they wipe the knowledge they gave him and other things from his mind
Still I feel from the Last Space Marine codex they will fix the CSM with their chapter traits to a dissimilar system. I am very curious about the black templars now
This tome will see the Psychic Awakening’s effects begin to take hold in the Imperium, as the Emperor’s most faithful warriors go head to head with the Heretic Astartes. What’s more, the book will include codex supplement-tier content for the Black Templars, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers.
I am still trying to figure out the meaning of this.
What is a codex supplement tier level rules? Like do we get new rules? Just some new stratagems and artifacts?
I am hoping they get rules to put them up to the level just normal non-supplemental loyalist. But really I am not expecting that.
The fact that they're cramming all those legions into one book has me less than hopeful for a major overhaul on anything. I'd really hoped world eaters for example would at least get their own supplement the size of the white scars or something. Unless this supp is a huge book I can't imagine it'll be a big content drop for those legions.
Didn't chaos marines just get a new codex? And now they're getting a new codex update?
I mean, as a foul heretic I'm not really complaining as such, but it would be nice if they could keep the number of books you need to single digits.
But I guess that train has sailed.
The new codex was a lie.
They added a few of the new units from Vigilus. But really the "new" codex was consolidating the rules they just released. It was not like the Space Marine codex which redid everything top to bottom and rebalanced them. It was more like just an updated version of the same codex.
If the updates were the same as the Space Marine I would on board with this.
Also I mean my NoVA list required 4 books to run. CSM codex 1.0, Vigilus Ablaze, Shadowspear, and T-Son's Codex. I have given up on not carrying around 20 books.
The last thing we need is Primaris Marines falling to Chaos, 40k lore doesn't need to succumb to World of Warcraft levels of writing where every damn thing is CORRUPTION?!
Once is enough for the Horus Heresy, let's do new plot twists.
Didn't chaos marines just get a new codex? And now they're getting a new codex update?
I mean, as a foul heretic I'm not really complaining as such, but it would be nice if they could keep the number of books you need to single digits.
But I guess that train has sailed.
The new codex was a lie.
They added a few of the new units from Vigilus. But really the "new" codex was consolidating the rules they just released. It was not like the Space Marine codex which redid everything top to bottom and rebalanced them. It was more like just an updated version of the same codex.
If the updates were the same as the Space Marine I would on board with this.
Also I mean my NoVA list required 4 books to run. CSM codex 1.0, Vigilus Ablaze, Shadowspear, and T-Son's Codex. I have given up on not carrying around 20 books.
I really wish people will pull their head out of their ass about Ebooks and PICK one format
Also I know I have a kindle and amazon being basically I am taking my ball and going home in that fight over one format and how the kindle does not use Epub files unless you do some fun format swaps
If chaos gets primaris marines it'll be something they stole. You can convert old marines with a high fatality rate so
Bile has figured out how to grow new marines and the various organs needed for them I know that was a lore point from about 15+ years ago in the CSM codex of that era
I think Crawl figured out how to block the mental reasons of why they fall to chaos or something
If chaos gets primaris marines it'll be something they stole. You can convert old marines with a high fatality rate so
Bile has figured out how to grow new marines and the various organs needed for them I know that was a lore point from about 15+ years ago in the CSM codex of that era
I think Crawl figured out how to block the mental reasons of why they fall to chaos or something
It'll turn out he stole geneseed from the Grey Knights, which is to say the Emperor.
If chaos gets primaris marines it'll be something they stole. You can convert old marines with a high fatality rate so
Bile has figured out how to grow new marines and the various organs needed for them I know that was a lore point from about 15+ years ago in the CSM codex of that era
I think Crawl figured out how to block the mental reasons of why they fall to chaos or something
It'll turn out he stole geneseed from the Grey Knights, which is to say the Emperor.
I think he is using the gene seed tithe to build the primaris but I think this is how he got the traitor stock since they had the codes for that somewhere....
Since in the space marine book and the primaris one it mentions he only knows how to make half of the the Immortis Gland which was one of the parts for the primarichs so that may be the reason
If chaos gets primaris marines it'll be something they stole. You can convert old marines with a high fatality rate so
Bile has figured out how to grow new marines and the various organs needed for them I know that was a lore point from about 15+ years ago in the CSM codex of that era
I think Crawl figured out how to block the mental reasons of why they fall to chaos or something
It'll turn out he stole geneseed from the Grey Knights, which is to say the Emperor.
I think he is using the gene seed tithe to build the primaris but I think this is how he got the traitor stock since they had the codes for that somewhere....
Since in the space marine book and the primaris one it mentions he only knows how to make half of the the Immortis Gland which was one of the parts for the primarichs so that may be the reason
Because everyone knows it's impossible for a Primarch to fall to chaos
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Like, can you honestly see GW getting rid of terminators altogether? That would be nuts
I feel the Blood Angel and Space Wolf xmas deals are part of the push to retain them. As many people want assault primaris but I really don't see that coming.
I dunno if they’ll ever be phased out completely but I’d be very surprised if they ever made any new small-marines.
Like, what would you even add to that range? It feels like they already covered almost any variety of marine you could think of.
Which is bonkers to me in a way. Not one melee focused primaris unit (HQs don't count)?
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When your basic troops get three attacks on the charge do you really need a melee unit?
It was the custom chapter stuff that brought that idea back up as Chapter tactics Whirlwind of Rage doesn't really lend itself to the gunline of primaris nor does having your commander with champion of humanity or imperium's sword
And the start collecting with generic marines {ultramarines} the others are deathwatch, blood angels and space wolves But what if you wanted hand to hand marines as your army? getting the Assault Squad seems like a waste of time if you want non jetpack marines
Nothing, I expect, in the Voxcasts with Jes Goodwin they were pretty clear that the whole Primaris line was initially established as the Space Marine redesign.
Just as they started to get the various 'human' factions to be more correctly scaled against each other, the Primaris would then be True-scaled against them as marines (and against older marines as Primaris). Making new non-primaris would kind of mess up the future scaling a bit.
Think you've only got to look at the new chaos marines to see that there's probably not going to be any non-primaris stuff. Or if there was, it'd be half way between Primaris and the old scale.
I think eventually we'll see the Cities of Sigmar get more of a cohesive look across humans, elves and dwarfs - but there's a big difference between launching a new range for one army and a whole setting.
I can't see them ditching iconic units like Termies, Landraiders, and what have you. I also can't see them getting new units, which isn't to say I can't see them updating older kits versions of existing kits. An updated Tactical Squad for, example.
Rules-wise, I DO think they might be leaning a little bit into the power curve of new models. They DO need a return on investment. With that said, the Salamander codex pretty clearly favors old marines due to the paucity of flamers and meltas in the primaris units.
Terminators are iconic enough, that they'd need to make the jump across rather than just being replaced with Gravis alternatives but I think the Repulsors are probably close enough in look to the Raiders that they might not make it - there's also not really an assault equivalent yet (plus the jump packs actually look quite good on Primaris as it is), and just sticking a jump pack on a Primaris unit might be simple enough to be a fast option that isn't a bike.
Though a bike replacement for Primaris is going to be brushing pretty close to a Landspeeder as it is, so I could easily see those two combined.
I fully expect meltas and flamers to come out soon for primaris.
Not enormously so but it’s still noticeable. Like 6 inches taller on average, or something like that.
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I think the reference I'd read was bigger than a standard marine and smaller than your average custodes
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As far as we know.
I mean this statement has been made about every marine.
I look forward to chaos primaris showing up. Because everything that touches the warp has the warp touching back.
And the warp is all to happy to touch you.
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I still want to see what Bile is up to. He keeps popping up for bits in the lore but no new Bile or Bile related models.
Sounds like loyalist hubris to me!
Also Bile is just making his own spikey-primaris. Dont have to fall when you're born at the bottom.
I really hope that's the case... I want some of this 2w 3 attack on the charge business
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I am still trying to figure out the meaning of this.
What is a codex supplement tier level rules? Like do we get new rules? Just some new stratagems and artifacts?
I am hoping they get rules to put them up to the level just normal non-supplemental loyalist. But really I am not expecting that.
Black Templars will probably also get datasheets for Sword Brethren and the Emperor's champ, but don't think Chaos is missing any at the moment.
I mean outside their tactics are only infantry, dreads, and characters. Also kind of terrible. The actual legions are all really bad or half as good as their loyalist equivalents.
Black Legion: Not changing, can fire rapid fire guns as if they are assault. Plus 1 leadership. This is not great but they have a lot of toys and Abbadon. Decently close to the UM. The chainlord and such are really good.
Renegades are fine. Sure its one ability but The Purge, Red Corsairs, and Flawless host are in really good spots.
Emperor's Children-Strike first in combat. They could use something that is a bit stronger. This wasn't strong when it came out and EC are a shooting specialist with noise marines.
Iron Warriors-Just a copy of the old Imperial Fist. It would be fun if they were like a counter instead of a copy.
World Eaters-+1 attack on a charge. Well everyone has this. So they are +2 now. Just so much overkill.
Word Bearers- Reroll morale. Doesn't even affect cultist anymore. Please help them GW. Make them something? I still think summoning/possession would be their key.
Night Lords- Morale stuff. Its a shame it sucks. It is so thematic.
Alpha Legion-I would put good money they get changed into Raven Guard. The flat -1 is dying.
In one story they're immune to a corrupting plague that wrecking normie astartes. I don't think any Grey Knights have ever fallen to chaos right?
It does I want to play it more but the dogs get freaked out by the table and we broke a chair so it's no fun playing on the floor
Still hopefully I either get my tax returns or unemployement rolling as it's getting old fighting with this state over it
What? Where is this? I know in the clonelord book Bile had made a good clone of Fulgrim but got the secrets of how to make certain things from the haemonculi. Also this is where you find out the haemonculi have psychic powers but have kept them on the downlow for various reasons
Still I feel from the Last Space Marine codex they will fix the CSM with their chapter traits to a dissimilar system. I am very curious about the black templars now
The fact that they're cramming all those legions into one book has me less than hopeful for a major overhaul on anything. I'd really hoped world eaters for example would at least get their own supplement the size of the white scars or something. Unless this supp is a huge book I can't imagine it'll be a big content drop for those legions.
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I mean, as a foul heretic I'm not really complaining as such, but it would be nice if they could keep the number of books you need to single digits.
But I guess that train has sailed.
The new codex was a lie.
They added a few of the new units from Vigilus. But really the "new" codex was consolidating the rules they just released. It was not like the Space Marine codex which redid everything top to bottom and rebalanced them. It was more like just an updated version of the same codex.
If the updates were the same as the Space Marine I would on board with this.
Also I mean my NoVA list required 4 books to run. CSM codex 1.0, Vigilus Ablaze, Shadowspear, and T-Son's Codex. I have given up on not carrying around 20 books.
Once is enough for the Horus Heresy, let's do new plot twists.
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This has been 40k canon for decades
I really wish people will pull their head out of their ass about Ebooks and PICK one format
Also I know I have a kindle and amazon being basically I am taking my ball and going home in that fight over one format and how the kindle does not use Epub files unless you do some fun format swaps
But more has happened in the last year than the last 10 lore wise.
Bile has figured out how to grow new marines and the various organs needed for them I know that was a lore point from about 15+ years ago in the CSM codex of that era
I think Crawl figured out how to block the mental reasons of why they fall to chaos or something
It'll turn out he stole geneseed from the Grey Knights, which is to say the Emperor.
I think he is using the gene seed tithe to build the primaris but I think this is how he got the traitor stock since they had the codes for that somewhere....
Since in the space marine book and the primaris one it mentions he only knows how to make half of the the Immortis Gland which was one of the parts for the primarichs so that may be the reason
Because everyone knows it's impossible for a Primarch to fall to chaos