Y'all seem to be conflating the ADL with pro-Israel lobbying groups like AIPAC. what I know of the ADL's pro-Israelness is new antisemitism arguments about what constitutes legitimate criticism of Israel vs antisemitism but thats a thorny topic to get into
without knowing the actual text of the EO it doesn't sound like that big a deal. I guess the most controversial part would be adopting the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, specifically the example of
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
as being antisemitic, but even that is tempered by the fact that it only "could" be an example of antisemitism and that context matters. the ADL likens this EO to the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act of 2016, which as far as I can tell only directs the DoE to "take into consideration" IHRA inspired working definitions of antisemitism when judging discrimination cases. Don't think these bills (it was reintroduced in 2019 with minor changes) were controversial.
I don't think anyone is conflating AIPAC with the ADL, they're bringing up the ADL because the ADL has been pushing Trump for something like this and is speaking out about it. What Trump has signed is definitely intended to stifle speech critical of Israel under the guise of combating anti-Semitism.
I have to disagree that defining Jewishness as a nationality is "not that big a deal"
Declaring that the nationality of Americans who practice Judaism is anything other than American strikes me as worrisome. No matter the precise wording involved.
Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual's race, color, ornational origin.It shall be the policy of the executive branch to enforce Title VI against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in anti-Semitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by Title VI.
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Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual's race, color, ornational origin.It shall be the policy of the executive branch to enforce Title VI against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in anti-Semitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by Title VI.
So it doesn't explicitly define Judaism as a nationality but it opens the door to sanctioning critics of Israel via Title VI?
I just realized the awful simplicity of squaring the silencing of Palestinian voices with Title VI. You can't discriminate against the national origin of Palestinians if you don't recognize Palestine as a nation! :rotate:
Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual's race, color, ornational origin.It shall be the policy of the executive branch to enforce Title VI against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in anti-Semitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by Title VI.
So it doesn't explicitly define Judaism as a nationality but it opens the door to sanctioning critics of Israel via Title VI?
Yup. It's literally the whole point of this. Stamping on BDS and the like on college campuses via Title VI.
Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual's race, color, ornational origin.It shall be the policy of the executive branch to enforce Title VI against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in anti-Semitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by Title VI.
So it doesn't explicitly define Judaism as a nationality but it opens the door to sanctioning critics of Israel via Title VI?
It is explicitly saying that Judaism is a nationality/race by saying that antisemitism can give rise to a Title VI violation, which is specifically set around race/nationality. This is why so many people are angry and scared by this EO - it's the first time that the government has done this.
Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual's race, color, ornational origin.It shall be the policy of the executive branch to enforce Title VI against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in anti-Semitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by Title VI.
So it doesn't explicitly define Judaism as a nationality but it opens the door to sanctioning critics of Israel via Title VI?
Except it absolutely does.
While Title VI does not cover discrimination based on religion, individuals who face discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin do not lose protection under Title VI for also being a member of a group that shares common religious practices.
So its saying being Jewish is both a religion and a race or national origin.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here. And hey, turns out that voting for Trump's budgets have consequences, who knew.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
The GOP controls the Senate and Presidency so a certain amount of bullshit making it into the budget is inevitable. Have to pick and choose what to smack them over, and that one is fairly minor.
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Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual's race, color, ornational origin.It shall be the policy of the executive branch to enforce Title VI against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in anti-Semitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by Title VI.
So it doesn't explicitly define Judaism as a nationality but it opens the door to sanctioning critics of Israel via Title VI?
It is explicitly saying that Judaism is a nationality/race by saying that antisemitism can give rise to a Title VI violation, which is specifically set around race/nationality. This is why so many people are angry and scared by this EO - it's the first time that the government has done this.
I see. I wasn't trying to downplay the controversy I was just trying to better understand the EO which I do now.
The GOP controls the Senate and Presidency so a certain amount of bullshit making it into the budget is inevitable. Have to pick and choose what to smack them over, and that one is fairly minor.
Just billions of more dollars to spend on the military. Woo.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
It's a bunch of bullshit so that Trump can jackoff to Space Force in front of his crowds.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
It's a bunch of bullshit so that Trump can jackoff to Space Force in front of his crowds.
Hopefully the Dems traded something good for it.
12 Weeks paid parental leave for all federal employees and repeal of a thing called a widow tax which is something the Dems have been trying to repeal for years.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
It's a bunch of bullshit so that Trump can jackoff to Space Force in front of his crowds.
Hopefully the Dems traded something good for it.
12 Weeks paid parental leave for all federal employees and repeal of a thing called a widow tax which is something the Dems have been trying to repeal for years.
As long as they are permanent, sounds good to me. I doubt Space Force moves any votes.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
It's a bunch of bullshit so that Trump can jackoff to Space Force in front of his crowds.
Hopefully the Dems traded something good for it.
12 Weeks paid parental leave for all federal employees and repeal of a thing called a widow tax which is something the Dems have been trying to repeal for years.
It was an offset. A surviving spouse can be eligible for benefits directly from DoD or from the VA, but every dollar of VA benefit would remove a dollar from the DoD benefit.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
It's a bunch of bullshit so that Trump can jackoff to Space Force in front of his crowds.
Hopefully the Dems traded something good for it.
12 Weeks paid parental leave for all federal employees and repeal of a thing called a widow tax which is something the Dems have been trying to repeal for years.
Really?
Cause that’s not too a bad trade for what is essentially a hand job to Trump’s vanity.
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It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
Since when has this administration ever respected treaties?
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It will actually be fascinating to see which naming conventions they adopt. Science fiction abounds with examples of space navies, but they're pulling from the Air Force, which derives from a more Army tradition.
Are they going to tell a bunch of Generals that they're Admirals now, or is the future of space exploration in the hands of Colonel Kirk?
It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
It's a bunch of bullshit so that Trump can jackoff to Space Force in front of his crowds.
Hopefully the Dems traded something good for it.
12 Weeks paid parental leave for all federal employees and repeal of a thing called a widow tax which is something the Dems have been trying to repeal for years.
So those are good but damn is it bullshit that the Dems have to horse trade to get basic good government stuff while the GOP get to have their militaristic pony show.
I suppose I should just be happy it doesn't cut cap gains taxes or something.
It will actually be fascinating to see which naming conventions they adopt. Science fiction abounds with examples of space navies, but they're pulling from the Air Force, which derives from a more Army tradition.
Are they going to tell a bunch of Generals that they're Admirals now, or is the future of space exploration in the hands of Colonel Kirk?
It will actually be fascinating to see which naming conventions they adopt. Science fiction abounds with examples of space navies, but they're pulling from the Air Force, which derives from a more Army tradition.
Are they going to tell a bunch of Generals that they're Admirals now, or is the future of space exploration in the hands of Colonel Kirk?
There's sci-fi precedent. See: Stargate and Colonel Jack O'Neill.
It will actually be fascinating to see which naming conventions they adopt. Science fiction abounds with examples of space navies, but they're pulling from the Air Force, which derives from a more Army tradition.
Are they going to tell a bunch of Generals that they're Admirals now, or is the future of space exploration in the hands of Colonel Kirk?
There's sci-fi precedent. See: Stargate and Colonel Jack O'Neill.
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It’s really happening. A bipartisan budget agreement for 2020 will see the creation of a new branch of the military specifically oriented towards space. The United States Space Force will be the first new service branch in more than 60 years, tasked to ensure America’s freedom to operate in outer space—or take space away from somebody else.
According to a draft of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Agreement, also known as the 2020 U.S. defense budget, the Pentagon will redesignate the U.S. Air Force’s Space Command the U.S. Space Force, spinning it off from an arm of the Air Force into a separate service.
The service will be headed by a Chief of Space Operations, similar to how the U.S. Navy is headed by a Chief of Naval Operations and consist of “the space forces and such assets as may be organic therein.” That’s pretty ambiguous language but probably means most of the Air Force’s space assets, from satellite launching facilities like Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to spacecraft ground control bases like Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado. It'll also include america’s network of GPS satellites, the X-37B spaceplane, and other military space assets. The Space Force will also likely strip away a smaller number of assets and personnel from the U.S. Army and Navy.
The budget agreement says the Space Force will be “organized, trained, and equipped to provide— (1) freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space; and (2) prompt and sustained space operations.” The Chief of Space Operations will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, much the way the Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
The uniforms part will be easy enough.
Is that Ted Cruz on the left?
Edit: I can't even say Ninja'd. Teach me not to read all the posts before making a comment.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the day to day uniform is just the OCP. It's what the army uses and the air force recently made the switch to them within the last year.
Any difference is probably going to be in the other uniforms (stuff like dress and pt uniforms).
From what I can tell the whole thing is just a waste of administration dollars. You could make an argument that SPACECOM could use some reorganizing or change, but to spin them out as a Marines equivalent for the Air Force is going to cost so much more money for so little gain.
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without knowing the actual text of the EO it doesn't sound like that big a deal. I guess the most controversial part would be adopting the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, specifically the example of as being antisemitic, but even that is tempered by the fact that it only "could" be an example of antisemitism and that context matters. the ADL likens this EO to the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act of 2016, which as far as I can tell only directs the DoE to "take into consideration" IHRA inspired working definitions of antisemitism when judging discrimination cases. Don't think these bills (it was reintroduced in 2019 with minor changes) were controversial.
I have to disagree that defining Jewishness as a nationality is "not that big a deal"
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/bds-the-global-campaign-to-delegitimize-israel
https://jewishinsider.com/2019/12/exclusive-a-first-look-at-the-language-of-trumps-executive-order-on-antisemitism/?fbclid=IwAR1kXWrDNnEnFnWiRMe1EN5PXiSva-TiNAKQYRzhq-kv-C64QaB12k2-N98
The relevant part
So it doesn't explicitly define Judaism as a nationality but it opens the door to sanctioning critics of Israel via Title VI?
Yup. It's literally the whole point of this. Stamping on BDS and the like on college campuses via Title VI.
It is explicitly saying that Judaism is a nationality/race by saying that antisemitism can give rise to a Title VI violation, which is specifically set around race/nationality. This is why so many people are angry and scared by this EO - it's the first time that the government has done this.
Except it absolutely does.
So its saying being Jewish is both a religion and a race or national origin.
The militarization of space is very much a foreign policy topic, so might as well put it here. And hey, turns out that voting for Trump's budgets have consequences, who knew.
Reading through it is SPACECOM under another name.
Just a short reminder to folks, the US Military already has a "Spaceforce." This is already under the Air Force mostly with assets under the Department of Navy and Army as well. It was considered one of the regional combat commands like AFRICOM and EUROCOM.
From what I am reading is they are just moving around names and maybe adding uniforms and ranks but the overall militarization of space actually will be limited to none since we are still signatories of treaties (which are considered law) that do not allow for militarization of space.
As an insider this is more just annoying because I do have to basically redo a whole bunch command structure analyses.
I see. I wasn't trying to downplay the controversy I was just trying to better understand the EO which I do now.
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Just billions of more dollars to spend on the military. Woo.
It's a bunch of bullshit so that Trump can jackoff to Space Force in front of his crowds.
Hopefully the Dems traded something good for it.
The uniforms part will be easy enough.
12 Weeks paid parental leave for all federal employees and repeal of a thing called a widow tax which is something the Dems have been trying to repeal for years.
As long as they are permanent, sounds good to me. I doubt Space Force moves any votes.
It was an offset. A surviving spouse can be eligible for benefits directly from DoD or from the VA, but every dollar of VA benefit would remove a dollar from the DoD benefit.
Really?
Cause that’s not too a bad trade for what is essentially a hand job to Trump’s vanity.
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If you give military leadership a chance to design new uniforms, you are absolutely going to get new uniforms and whatever comes with them.
Is that Ted Cruz on the left?
Since when has this administration ever respected treaties?
Are they going to tell a bunch of Generals that they're Admirals now, or is the future of space exploration in the hands of Colonel Kirk?
So those are good but damn is it bullshit that the Dems have to horse trade to get basic good government stuff while the GOP get to have their militaristic pony show.
I suppose I should just be happy it doesn't cut cap gains taxes or something.
This wounds me
There's sci-fi precedent. See: Stargate and Colonel Jack O'Neill.
They were Air Force.
How would you even carve up "space" into territories? Shit be orbiting, yo.
Is that Ted Cruz on the left?
Edit: I can't even say Ninja'd. Teach me not to read all the posts before making a comment.
Any difference is probably going to be in the other uniforms (stuff like dress and pt uniforms).
From what I can tell the whole thing is just a waste of administration dollars. You could make an argument that SPACECOM could use some reorganizing or change, but to spin them out as a Marines equivalent for the Air Force is going to cost so much more money for so little gain.