Nuke the company from orbit. No video game is worth the cost in human wreckage paid for by such a horrible corporate culture! Fuck Ubisoft!
Ubisoft has 18,000 employees around the world during a pandemic that is destroying jobs left and right. Could you clarify the term 'nuke', please?
Yeah, generally speaking I feel the correct solution would be firing all the upper management (basically, take the people doing this, and purge the org chart from them up to the top). Collective punishment isn't appropriate.
Nuke the company from orbit. No video game is worth the cost in human wreckage paid for by such a horrible corporate culture! Fuck Ubisoft!
Ubisoft has 18,000 employees around the world during a pandemic that is destroying jobs left and right. Could you clarify the term 'nuke', please?
I was being hyperbolic, but if you insist on being a goose I’ll humor you. Destroy the company, sell off the IP. Build new studios from the worthwhile personnel and blacklist everyone who works at a managment level. It’s painfully obvious that Ubisoft is utterly rotten and changing corporate culture is super fucking hard. So scorched earth is the most logical way of fixing things.
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So, is For Honor currently the only Ubisoft game from the last 5 years not led by a raging gropey abusive shit-person?
In any case, jesus christ what a shitshow Ubisoft management is.
I mean, I would hold on making that declarative statement just yet.
That's why the question mark is there. I'm fully expecting for the curtain to be pulled back yet further to reveal yet another raging gropey abusive shit-person hurting people.
So, is For Honor currently the only Ubisoft game from the last 5 years not led by a raging gropey abusive shit-person?
In any case, jesus christ what a shitshow Ubisoft management is.
I mean, I would hold on making that declarative statement just yet.
That's why the question mark is there. I'm fully expecting for the curtain to be pulled back yet further to reveal yet another raging gropey abusive shit-person hurting people.
So far there's nothing against Michel Ancel (the Rayman/Beyond Good and Evil Guy) or Davide Soliani (the guy who weeped with joy when his game, Mario + Rabbids, was revealed), or the XCOM guys.
Nuke the company from orbit. No video game is worth the cost in human wreckage paid for by such a horrible corporate culture! Fuck Ubisoft!
Ubisoft has 18,000 employees around the world during a pandemic that is destroying jobs left and right. Could you clarify the term 'nuke', please?
I was being hyperbolic, but if you insist on being a goose I’ll humor you. Destroy the company, sell off the IP. Build new studios from the worthwhile personnel and blacklist everyone who works at a managment level. It’s painfully obvious that Ubisoft is utterly rotten and changing corporate culture is super fucking hard. So scorched earth is the most logical way of fixing things.
I'm glad that asking for clarification on complex issues involving many factors leads to being called a 'goose'. When it comes to topics as fraught as this, I really don't appreciate that kind of hostility.
Your clarification of the hyperbolic 'nuke', is replaced with 'scorched earth', with the idea of dismantling a billion dollar, publicly-traded company,just like that. That is next to impossible.
Oh, and all these 18, 000 people across FORTY countries during the worst economic downturn in human history and a global pandemic? Oh, well all of you will go and make new studios! Sorry you lost your healthcare, maybe your significant other still has a job?
Calling for vast amounts of jobs to be destroyed is knee-jerk, heartless and immensely cruel.
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How many companies have successfully survived a complete management purge and restructuring?
I mean, I get you. It would be a hell of a thing for a AAA to die. And maybe this is a better argument for universal health care or other things that can free employees to leave a toxic work environment. Because "Think about the health insurance" doesn't outweigh "80 hour workweek crunch while your boss punches holes through the wall for fun."
So, is For Honor currently the only Ubisoft game from the last 5 years not led by a raging gropey abusive shit-person?
In any case, jesus christ what a shitshow Ubisoft management is.
I mean, I would hold on making that declarative statement just yet.
That's why the question mark is there. I'm fully expecting for the curtain to be pulled back yet further to reveal yet another raging gropey abusive shit-person hurting people.
So far there's nothing against Michel Ancel (the Rayman/Beyond Good and Evil Guy) or Davide Soliani (the guy who weeped with joy when his game, Mario + Rabbids, was revealed), or the XCOM guys.
Nuke the company from orbit. No video game is worth the cost in human wreckage paid for by such a horrible corporate culture! Fuck Ubisoft!
Ubisoft has 18,000 employees around the world during a pandemic that is destroying jobs left and right. Could you clarify the term 'nuke', please?
I was being hyperbolic, but if you insist on being a goose I’ll humor you. Destroy the company, sell off the IP. Build new studios from the worthwhile personnel and blacklist everyone who works at a managment level. It’s painfully obvious that Ubisoft is utterly rotten and changing corporate culture is super fucking hard. So scorched earth is the most logical way of fixing things.
I'm glad that asking for clarification on complex issues involving many factors leads to being called a 'goose'. When it comes to topics as fraught as this, I really don't appreciate that kind of hostility.
Your clarification of the hyperbolic 'nuke', is replaced with 'scorched earth', with the idea of dismantling a billion dollar, publicly-traded company,just like that. That is next to impossible.
Oh, and all these 18, 000 people across FORTY countries during the worst economic downturn in human history and a global pandemic? Oh, well all of you will go and make new studios! Sorry you lost your healthcare, maybe your significant other still has a job?
Calling for vast amounts of jobs to be destroyed is knee-jerk, heartless and immensely cruel.
Right, so you’re taking my posts way too seriously my dude. This is the internet and I’m expressing anger and disgust at a situation over which I have zero sway. I’m done with this conversation.
I'm for the dismantling of the games industry. It's like a horrible shadow of the rest of tech where you get way less pay and a ton more abuse because the product you're working on might wind up being neat. If it gets released.
Not that it's actually possible, obviously. But I wish that people would stop trying to break into the games industry because it's a bad place to work and people deserve better.
I guess the positive alternate of this is that I hope that unionization becomes a much stronger force and people get jobs that are okay. That Lovestruck union was a big surprise honestly, I hope it's the start of something larger. Also now I kind of want to buy those silly romance VNs.
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None of this is on topic. Unless your post is about #MeToo or directly related, you should make it somewhere else.
And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
More than half of the women employed at the London-based video game developer Rocksteady two years ago signed a letter to bosses accusing the studio of failing to prevent sexual harassment and inappropriate behaviour in the office, the Guardian can reveal.
The letter, dated November 2018 and signed by 10 of the company’s 16 female staff at the time, raised complaints about behaviour including “slurs regarding the transgendered community” and “discussing a woman in a derogatory or sexual manner with other colleagues”, and sexual harassment “in the form of unwanted advances, leering at parts of a woman’s body, and inappropriate comments in the office”.
Since then it is claimed that the response has amounted to one training seminar, and that multiple signatories have left the company owing to the lack of action.
One of the letter’s signatories, who asked to remain anonymous, said she had decided to share the letter with the Guardian because she felt people were still suffering from sexism, harassment and inappropriate behaviour at Rocksteady.
They have now responded by a totally unsolicited letter that is not just a press release.
Apparently that guy gave his employees the ultimatum to quit by August 31st if they have any problems with him, and so... a bunch of them quit all at once, announcing it all on their own Twittter accounts with personal messages.
You know, I'm not one to judge. But it seems as a side effect, of Games, Comics now being accepted, a lot of these idiots don't know how to read the room and are like entitled Rock Stars.
Not everybody In Tech and Gaming have the chops like Larry Ellison, to pull the "Suaveness" off. It's bad enough they they think they are entitled to women, because they look down and are intimated by Women who know their shit , just as much as they do, if not, a helluva lot better.
Just , I just shake my head at the obliviousness of those jackassess running our hobbies and being abusive and downright disgusting to women In this profession.
You know, I'm not one to judge. But it seems as a side effect, of Games, Comics now being accepted, a lot of these idiots don't know how to read the room and are like entitled Rock Stars.
Not everybody In Tech and Gaming have the chops like Larry Ellison, to pull the "Suaveness" off. It's bad enough they they think they are entitled to women, because they look down and are intimated by Women who know their shit , just as much as they do, if not, a helluva lot better.
Just , I just shake my head at the obliviousness of those jackassess running our hobbies and being abusive and downright disgusting to women In this profession.
Zero of this is new. It's just harder to ignore because of the internet and because video games are bigger than movies now.
We hear you, due to timing constraints, we chose to release the video as a standalone message before our #UbiForward event, but we are working to ensure it will be available in full in the VOD versions of the show.
You know, I'm not one to judge. But it seems as a side effect, of Games, Comics now being accepted, a lot of these idiots don't know how to read the room and are like entitled Rock Stars.
Not everybody In Tech and Gaming have the chops like Larry Ellison, to pull the "Suaveness" off. It's bad enough they they think they are entitled to women, because they look down and are intimated by Women who know their shit , just as much as they do, if not, a helluva lot better.
Just , I just shake my head at the obliviousness of those jackassess running our hobbies and being abusive and downright disgusting to women In this profession.
Zero of this is new. It's just harder to ignore because of the internet and because video games are bigger than movies now.
Yeah, there were certainly rockstar pretensions getting thrown around in the early 2000’s, usually involving certain visible figures from the PC gaming scene getting overly lauded in what was probably a premature attempt at legitimizing videogames as a mainstream art form by burnishing unique developers as auteurs on equal footing with the best in Hollywood. Had there been a robust social media element in play at the time, I am almost positive there would be tons of examples of this same shit going down with patterns of behavior established. It was such a perfect storm for it, it had to be happening.
Michel Ancel, the creator of Rayman and Beyond Good and Evil and an Ubisoft employee for 30 years, suddenly announced on Instagram he was leaving the video game industry to work at a wildlife sanctuary. Last week, French publication Liberation found out why. From Kotaku:
The Libération report, which details the development hell the game has been in for seven years, shares accounts by Ubisoft employees who accuse Ancel of being so difficult to work with that other managers were eventually brought in to limit the number of people who had to interact with him. They also blame Ancel’s management of the project, which reportedly included constant changes in scope and re-works, for an unusual amount of exhaustion, depression, and burnout experienced by members of his team.
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One employee told Libération that they thought this broader reckoning within Ubisoft would force the issues with Ancel to finally be resolved. Instead, the paper reports that (CEO Yves) Guillemont reaffirmed by late August that Ancel’s presence was “non-negotiable.”
Fun fact: his announcement he's quitting went live on the same day he had taken part in a multi-hour session to answer questions in the investigation into his behavior.
So yeah, that company was all kinds of fucked up.
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Christ they really aren't going to change are they? That is some total systemic rot infesting the company.
In that the news being shared in this thread meant that finding out he was "merely" horrific to work with, but hadn't (yet been alleged to) sexually assault anyone kind of had me waiting for another shoe to drop.
Not to minimize whatever awfulness was involved there, of course.
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Yeah. I thought I heard he was retiring. Good to know why, company still effin' sucks, but... I'm hoping no one got abused.
In that the news being shared in this thread meant that finding out he was "merely" horrific to work with, but hadn't (yet been alleged to) sexually assault anyone kind of had me waiting for another shoe to drop.
Not to minimize whatever awfulness was involved there, of course.
I am not sure that the psychological damage of being that much of a piece of shit supervisor is all that much less.
In that the news being shared in this thread meant that finding out he was "merely" horrific to work with, but hadn't (yet been alleged to) sexually assault anyone kind of had me waiting for another shoe to drop.
Not to minimize whatever awfulness was involved there, of course.
I am not sure that the psychological damage of being that much of a piece of shit supervisor is all that much less.
I can't imagine it'll at all be productive to walk a path figuring out how close or not to equal the trauma is, and I get that it's shared in the sense of 'woah, this company is fuuuuucked from top to bottom', but... it's the #MeToo thread.
Hence expecting #MeToo content to show up.
I'm not disappointed he hasn't (yet) been accused of a series of grotesque and violent assaults. Just noting how news in this thread kind of comes with an expectation.
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Michel Ancel, the creator of Rayman and Beyond Good and Evil and an Ubisoft employee for 30 years, suddenly announced on Instagram he was leaving the video game industry to work at a wildlife sanctuary. Last week, French publication Liberation found out why. From Kotaku:
The Libération report, which details the development hell the game has been in for seven years, shares accounts by Ubisoft employees who accuse Ancel of being so difficult to work with that other managers were eventually brought in to limit the number of people who had to interact with him. They also blame Ancel’s management of the project, which reportedly included constant changes in scope and re-works, for an unusual amount of exhaustion, depression, and burnout experienced by members of his team.
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One employee told Libération that they thought this broader reckoning within Ubisoft would force the issues with Ancel to finally be resolved. Instead, the paper reports that (CEO Yves) Guillemont reaffirmed by late August that Ancel’s presence was “non-negotiable.”
Fun fact: his announcement he's quitting went live on the same day he had taken part in a multi-hour session to answer questions in the investigation into his behavior.
So yeah, that company was all kinds of fucked up.
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Take few people with rage and jealousy and let them speak in the name of hundreds. Publish the news fast so that it combines with sexual harassment from other news at Ubi soft. I this serious? Is this what you expect from a national newspaper. I will fight for the truth because such accusations are a shame . I worked hard on every of my projects and always had respect for the teams. The accusations are wrong . 1- Toxic management : I am not managing the team. I bring a vision and producers and managers decide what to do , when and how. They are powerful people in the making of such a big projects. Why don’t the journalist speaks about them?
Really sounds like "yeah, I did it."
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Ancel’s track record has been rather dire for a while now. Much as I love most of Rayman, well...I think jusy about post Beyond Good and Evil I’m not sure he’s actually had a successful release of a major project.
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It blows my mind how much companies buy into this myth that any one person is indispensable.
Protip: If you are reorganizing things so multiple people don’t have to deal with a person directly, that is not a person who belongs on the payroll.
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It blows my mind how much companies buy into this myth that any one person is indispensable.
Protip: If you are reorganizing things so multiple people don’t have to deal with a person directly, that is not a person who belongs on the payroll.
The "rockstar" mentality is massive in the tech world, and it brings with it so many poisonous things.
Slashdot today had an article where the CEO of Netflix says his rockstars are worth ten times the normal employee.
This is in direct opposition to multiplestudies which have shown that a team with good communication and execution gets more done, are far more flexible, and stay with a company longer. So if you want to burn through money, get a diva programmer. If you want long term stable output and costs, make strong teams.
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Ubisoft has 18,000 employees around the world during a pandemic that is destroying jobs left and right. Could you clarify the term 'nuke', please?
Yeah, generally speaking I feel the correct solution would be firing all the upper management (basically, take the people doing this, and purge the org chart from them up to the top). Collective punishment isn't appropriate.
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In any case, jesus christ what a shitshow Ubisoft management is.
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I mean, I would hold on making that declarative statement just yet.
That's why the question mark is there. I'm fully expecting for the curtain to be pulled back yet further to reveal yet another raging gropey abusive shit-person hurting people.
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So far there's nothing against Michel Ancel (the Rayman/Beyond Good and Evil Guy) or Davide Soliani (the guy who weeped with joy when his game, Mario + Rabbids, was revealed), or the XCOM guys.
I'm glad that asking for clarification on complex issues involving many factors leads to being called a 'goose'. When it comes to topics as fraught as this, I really don't appreciate that kind of hostility.
Your clarification of the hyperbolic 'nuke', is replaced with 'scorched earth', with the idea of dismantling a billion dollar, publicly-traded company,just like that. That is next to impossible.
Oh, and all these 18, 000 people across FORTY countries during the worst economic downturn in human history and a global pandemic? Oh, well all of you will go and make new studios! Sorry you lost your healthcare, maybe your significant other still has a job?
Calling for vast amounts of jobs to be destroyed is knee-jerk, heartless and immensely cruel.
I mean, I get you. It would be a hell of a thing for a AAA to die. And maybe this is a better argument for universal health care or other things that can free employees to leave a toxic work environment. Because "Think about the health insurance" doesn't outweigh "80 hour workweek crunch while your boss punches holes through the wall for fun."
XCOM is Firaxis/2K Games
Not that it's actually possible, obviously. But I wish that people would stop trying to break into the games industry because it's a bad place to work and people deserve better.
I guess the positive alternate of this is that I hope that unionization becomes a much stronger force and people get jobs that are okay. That Lovestruck union was a big surprise honestly, I hope it's the start of something larger. Also now I kind of want to buy those silly romance VNs.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/18/games-firm-rocksteady-accused-of-lack-of-action-on-harassment
They have now responded by a totally unsolicited letter that is not just a press release.
If you believe Rocksteady, I have a bridge to sell you.
https://kotaku.com/multiple-people-accuse-skullgirls-developer-of-making-i-1844211683
The situation at the developer got a lot worse since then.
He fired all the members of the board and assumed full control over the company instead of leaving.
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Not everybody In Tech and Gaming have the chops like Larry Ellison, to pull the "Suaveness" off. It's bad enough they they think they are entitled to women, because they look down and are intimated by Women who know their shit , just as much as they do, if not, a helluva lot better.
Just , I just shake my head at the obliviousness of those jackassess running our hobbies and being abusive and downright disgusting to women In this profession.
Zero of this is new. It's just harder to ignore because of the internet and because video games are bigger than movies now.
Ubisoft's equivalent to a Nintendo Direct.
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Yeah, there were certainly rockstar pretensions getting thrown around in the early 2000’s, usually involving certain visible figures from the PC gaming scene getting overly lauded in what was probably a premature attempt at legitimizing videogames as a mainstream art form by burnishing unique developers as auteurs on equal footing with the best in Hollywood. Had there been a robust social media element in play at the time, I am almost positive there would be tons of examples of this same shit going down with patterns of behavior established. It was such a perfect storm for it, it had to be happening.
Michel Ancel, the creator of Rayman and Beyond Good and Evil and an Ubisoft employee for 30 years, suddenly announced on Instagram he was leaving the video game industry to work at a wildlife sanctuary. Last week, French publication Liberation found out why. From Kotaku:
Fun fact: his announcement he's quitting went live on the same day he had taken part in a multi-hour session to answer questions in the investigation into his behavior.
So yeah, that company was all kinds of fucked up.
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In that the news being shared in this thread meant that finding out he was "merely" horrific to work with, but hadn't (yet been alleged to) sexually assault anyone kind of had me waiting for another shoe to drop.
Not to minimize whatever awfulness was involved there, of course.
Apparently he and the CEO are (were?) friends, so that explains it.
I am not sure that the psychological damage of being that much of a piece of shit supervisor is all that much less.
I can't imagine it'll at all be productive to walk a path figuring out how close or not to equal the trauma is, and I get that it's shared in the sense of 'woah, this company is fuuuuucked from top to bottom', but... it's the #MeToo thread.
Hence expecting #MeToo content to show up.
I'm not disappointed he hasn't (yet) been accused of a series of grotesque and violent assaults. Just noting how news in this thread kind of comes with an expectation.
Protip: If you are reorganizing things so multiple people don’t have to deal with a person directly, that is not a person who belongs on the payroll.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
The "rockstar" mentality is massive in the tech world, and it brings with it so many poisonous things.
Slashdot today had an article where the CEO of Netflix says his rockstars are worth ten times the normal employee.
This is in direct opposition to multiple studies which have shown that a team with good communication and execution gets more done, are far more flexible, and stay with a company longer. So if you want to burn through money, get a diva programmer. If you want long term stable output and costs, make strong teams.