I kind of don't understand how you can be convicted of different kinds of murder for the same person, it seems like if you did the worst one on the list you are charged with, that would be the only one needed?
I kind of don't understand how you can be convicted of different kinds of murder for the same person, it seems like if you did the worst one on the list you are charged with, that would be the only one needed?
I kind of don't understand how you can be convicted of different kinds of murder for the same person, it seems like if you did the worst one on the list you are charged with, that would be the only one needed?
He probably will serve the sentences concurrently for just that reason.
You charge multiples to let the jury decide how bad the criming was basically.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
Fuckin wild that we live in a country where we even had to question whether or not a cop murdering a dude on camera in front of witnesses would get even a single Guilty verdict.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
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Remember to remain vigilant, and watch your ass.
I hate to be that guy, but there's a not-insignificant portion of this country who will be upset by this, and we know some of them can be dangerous and violent.
Celebrate, push forward, keep pushing, but be mindful of yourself and your surroundings.
I kind of don't understand how you can be convicted of different kinds of murder for the same person, it seems like if you did the worst one on the list you are charged with, that would be the only one needed?
He probably will serve the sentences concurrently for just that reason.
You charge multiples to let the jury decide how bad the criming was basically.
Oh I understand why you do multiples I would just think that it's like, if you agree on the worst one then the others are like "N/A". But I hadn't considered appeals so he could like, appeal the second degree charge and win but still get the other two.
That's great though, I hope they make him serve for them all.
I hate to be that guy, but there's a not-insignificant portion of this country who will be upset by this, and we know some of them can be dangerous and violent.
Celebrate, push forward, keep pushing, but be mindful of yourself and your surroundings.
It's also white supremacist christmas today. Symbolically interesting.
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It’s not enough. It’s nowhere near enough. But it is a relief that this murderer doesn’t get to walk.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
The reason why you have the separate charges is because they have separate aspects to them. For example, one could be a death with intent, one could be a death with callous disregard, and another could be a death were you had a positive duty to act.
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Fuckin wild that we live in a country where we even had to question whether or not a cop murdering a dude on camera in front of witnesses would get even a single Guilty verdict.
Hopefully, this is a step toward putting that country in the past. There is a long way to go, but 25 years ago, Chauvin walks free. But sometimes, America doesn’t break your heart.
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AbsoluteZeroThe new film by Quentin KoopantinoRegistered Userregular
Wow. Some semblance of justice, for once. Please let it stick.
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MonwynApathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime.A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered Userregular
I wonder if he now flips on the department and their "policies" or becomes a part of the Aryan Brotherhood in prison.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I wonder if he now flips on the department and their "policies" or becomes a part of the Aryan Brotherhood in prison.
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My understanding, which is at this point very old and might have changed based on the new political climate, is that cops and child molestors are the two groups of criminals that have it the worst in prison.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I think that they came back guilty on all three means that prosecutors have always been able to get convictions but have been tanking cases to not get any.
That is a hurdle that needs to be address in addition to making sure cops have their actions regularly reviewed and punished where appropriate.
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MonwynApathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime.A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered Userregular
I wonder if he now flips on the department and their "policies" or becomes a part of the Aryan Brotherhood in prison.
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My understanding, which is at this point very old and might have changed based on the new political climate, is that cops and child molestors are the two groups of criminals that have it the worst in prison.
i'm also super happy that the jury saw through barry brodd and Dr fowler's bullshit and if this is the level of pro-police expert testimony that exists in the US, then this is great moving forward in terms of future cases. The defense didn't even have the balls to have grossman testify. The window is definitely shifting.
The prosecution definitely did a good job throughout the case
I think that they came back guilty on all three means that prosecutors have always been able to get convictions but have been tanking cases to not get any.
That is a hurdle that needs to be address in addition to making sure cops have their actions regularly reviewed and punished where appropriate.
While that's certainly true to since extent most cop trials also don't involve an off-duty EMT saying, verbatim, "I don't know if you've ever seen anyone murdered before but it's upsetting," in reference to the afformentioned murder
I think that they came back guilty on all three means that prosecutors have always been able to get convictions but have been tanking cases to not get any.
That is a hurdle that needs to be address in addition to making sure cops have their actions regularly reviewed and punished where appropriate.
That is sometimes true but juries historically have been pro-cop. Prosecutors are always wary of taking on cases where conviction is unlikely. It’s more of a change in broader society that has shifted incentives for prosecutors.
The public has a huge role in pressuring criminal justice institutions, as the George Floyd protests demonstrate.
I didn't look at anything for half an hour because I was so nervous.
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
The helicopters that were deployed in Brooklyn magically disappeared after the verdict was read.
Almost like the news doesn't want to cover people celebrating the jury doing the right thing for once, only if people take their rage into the streets.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
In this individual case there is some shred of justice, but there is so much work left to do. We know the police are going to try and trample on as many civil rights as possible, to flex as much power as possible, and they see all citizens as the enemy to their power. They are directly taught that all citizens, especially citizens of color, are their enemy, and could take their life at any time. There is so much work left to do to break policing power in this country and truly serve justice.
According to the ACLU on twitter, this is the first time in the history of the state of minnesota where a white cop has been found guilty in the killing of a black man.
As everyone's real favorite (because popehat blocked me) twitter lawyer mentions, minnesota became a state in 1858
I think that they came back guilty on all three means that prosecutors have always been able to get convictions but have been tanking cases to not get any.
That is a hurdle that needs to be address in addition to making sure cops have their actions regularly reviewed and punished where appropriate.
It’s an issue, but don’t discount the very real shift in public (read: jury) perception that has taken place over the last decade or two.
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speaking at presser with CBC: Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice...Because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous for justice.
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.@SpeakerPelosi
speaking at presser with CBC: Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice...Because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous for justice.
Jesus Christ Pelosi shut the fuck up. He didn’t sacrifice a damn thing, it was stolen from him. God damn it. Just fucking why.
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.@SpeakerPelosi
speaking at presser with CBC: Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice...Because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous for justice.
Jesus Christ Pelosi shut the fuck up. He didn’t sacrifice a damn thing, it was stolen from him. God damn it. Just fucking why.
I think that they came back guilty on all three means that prosecutors have always been able to get convictions but have been tanking cases to not get any.
That is a hurdle that needs to be address in addition to making sure cops have their actions regularly reviewed and punished where appropriate.
It’s an issue, but don’t discount the very real shift in public (read: jury) perception that has taken place over the last decade or two.
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boom! bail revoked! go to jail
Because freedom is too fucking good for him.
appeals exist.
He probably will serve the sentences concurrently for just that reason.
You charge multiples to let the jury decide how bad the criming was basically.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I hate to be that guy, but there's a not-insignificant portion of this country who will be upset by this, and we know some of them can be dangerous and violent.
Celebrate, push forward, keep pushing, but be mindful of yourself and your surroundings.
Oh I understand why you do multiples I would just think that it's like, if you agree on the worst one then the others are like "N/A". But I hadn't considered appeals so he could like, appeal the second degree charge and win but still get the other two.
That's great though, I hope they make him serve for them all.
It's also white supremacist christmas today. Symbolically interesting.
Hopefully, but too early to tell imo.
Hopefully, this is a step toward putting that country in the past. There is a long way to go, but 25 years ago, Chauvin walks free. But sometimes, America doesn’t break your heart.
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My understanding, which is at this point very old and might have changed based on the new political climate, is that cops and child molestors are the two groups of criminals that have it the worst in prison.
That is a hurdle that needs to be address in addition to making sure cops have their actions regularly reviewed and punished where appropriate.
Yeah, but dude's a ghostface. So who knows.
The prosecution definitely did a good job throughout the case
As was just pointed out in my twitter feed, there is still sentencing left to do.
"This is accountability, not justice."
Damn.
While that's certainly true to since extent most cop trials also don't involve an off-duty EMT saying, verbatim, "I don't know if you've ever seen anyone murdered before but it's upsetting," in reference to the afformentioned murder
That is sometimes true but juries historically have been pro-cop. Prosecutors are always wary of taking on cases where conviction is unlikely. It’s more of a change in broader society that has shifted incentives for prosecutors.
The public has a huge role in pressuring criminal justice institutions, as the George Floyd protests demonstrate.
Almost like the news doesn't want to cover people celebrating the jury doing the right thing for once, only if people take their rage into the streets.
As everyone's real favorite (because popehat blocked me) twitter lawyer mentions, minnesota became a state in 1858
It's the first time in Minnesota history that a white cop has been held accountable for killing a black man. Minnesota became a state in 1858.
It’s an issue, but don’t discount the very real shift in public (read: jury) perception that has taken place over the last decade or two.
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⚠
Alert at 3510 S Michigan Ave
rogue radio operators playing Chauvin verdict over police airwaves
#chicagoprotest #chicagoscanner
Certainly that too, but anything resembling even a semblance of justice will require a lot more than a single conviction'
It's okay to be happy/relieved about this, but calling it justice is very premature
Jesus Christ Pelosi shut the fuck up. He didn’t sacrifice a damn thing, it was stolen from him. God damn it. Just fucking why.
yikes
Decade? Hell, the last eleven months.