I'm glad to see that this is apparently getting a lot more public attention recently, and that people understand it enough that Trump is running from it (poorly).
As always the problem is that the public doesn’t believe wha the R platform actually is and the media actively whitewashes it for them
The fact that any media apparatchiks are entertaining Trumps back away from P2025 is just another condemnation of the field.
I’ve had so many people argue with me that the Republican Party isn’t anti-LGBTQ, until I show them the passages in the published party platform that are explicitly and unambiguously so. But of course 99% of people, including people who consider themselves educated voters, will never crack open either party’s platform.
One amusing bit from OP: bold to assume the next Republican president will read any of this, particularly in 2025, given thats Trump. That dude didn’t read actual briefings when it was his job, he ain’t reading this shit.
The craziest thing about this document too is that there’s basically no amount of privilege that will keep it from touching you. Like they want to end no-fault divorce. A ton of the shit in there is policy stuff that we vehemently disagree with them on but whatever. And then a ton of it is nasty hateful shit that mostly lands on marginalized groups, which affects us only because we choose to care (and obviously we do because we aren’t monsters). But that’s a great example of one “plank” of this that is both a huge theocratic overreach that hits far and wide.
Most people get married at some point. And a huge portion will wind up divorcing. Disallowing that won’t suddenly mean they can find a way to fix their marriages. It just means it’s time to invest in arsenic futures.
If I was putting any part of this in front of someone that’s not already on our team to show them how insane it is, that seems like the one. With the only issue being that it’s so absolutely absurd that you’d better have it bookmarked, for when they don’t believe you.
Edit: And of course the first pushback will be “but they’ll never get it passed” but then <waves at Dobbs>. This dog has proven they can catch the car.
there is almost no empty federal land where people want to live.
where on that map is a place where except for the feds, we'd have cities. it's a distraction to sell our public lands for resource extration, as it always is.
So basically bringing back company owned towns that would only take company scrip
You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
there is almost no empty federal land where people want to live.
where on that map is a place where except for the feds, we'd have cities. it's a distraction to sell our public lands for resource extration, as it always is.
So basically bringing back company owned towns that would only take company scrip
No no, that's amateur hour. The grocery store takes scrip, but your rent is paid in dollars. There's also a company lender who will happily loan you rent money.
I am pretty sure the whole "build cities in protected lands" is "build 'free' company towns in protected lands". Noone wants to live there, but they're gonna, because thats what there gonna have to...
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Jokes aside, it never means anything other than "conservative Christian" and they would consider that heresy.
There's a hilarious "fact check" from USA Today that assures us that claims of this being a plan from Trump is, in fact, False.
And then at the bottom of the article their source is literally a link to Donald Trump's "Truth" (fuck not putting scare quotes around that) about how he totally has nothing to do with this.
Journalists and editors have gotten so far up their own asses about objectivity that they just take the world's most prolific liar's word at face value. But that's only if you assume good faith; most journalists are so horny for the upcoming drama of authoritarian America that they can't hide their slavering expectation and willing ignorance.
Hopefully the Biden campaign ties Trump inescapably to this nightmarish hell-plan since our media would rather either publish pieces about how Biden is old (we know) or run meta pieces about how the media can't stop talking about how Biden is old (seriously, we know).
I am pretty sure the whole "build cities in protected lands" is "build 'free' company towns in protected lands". Noone wants to live there, but they're gonna, because thats what there gonna have to...
I imagine its more 'come see the largest mine tailings pile in the world!' more than Galt's Gulch or scrip town. Having people around will just get in the way of the autonomous robots and uncontrolled lithium fires.
It's not like 3/4 or so of the planners are from his administration, or that he's praised it in the past, or that it has sections specifically designed to appeal to him or anything.
It's the thinnest of plausible deniability fig leafs. If they gave him the plan now, he'd just draw all over it with sharpie. Instead, they craft it, have it ready, then on day 1 hand it to him and go "here's your plan" and he goes "oh look at my plan I totally made myself, the best plan, biggest plan ever".
God, that's why it's 900 pages, isn't it?
"Let's take a look at the scores! The girls are at the square root of Pi, while the boys are still at a crudely drawn picture of a duck. Clearly, it's anybody's game!"
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Jokes aside, it never means anything other than "conservative Christian" and they would consider that heresy.
Also “everything closed on Sunday” wouldn’t include the NFL or other entertainment. Probably restaurants too.
Yeah, trying to figure out how best to get my idiot conservative family actually read this and realize that Trump will be implementing this horseshit and SCOTUS will do fuck all to stop any of the shit they don't agree with. So they really shouldn't be voting republicans in.
One of the things that should be stressed with this shit is that not only is Trump surrounding by assholes on the Heritage Foundation that want this shit, that will be part of his cabinet and thus signing all the paperwork because that's what the Federalist Society did to get the judges they wanted and those fuckers are tied at the hip with the Heritage Foundation. Trump very likely asked his pal Putin to look it over because that is going to be his roadmap to bypass the Constitution so that he can be POTUS for life.
Fucker might not have read the document completely, likely doesn't remember much of it, but he did sign off on it because he sees it as his best shot off usurping power and being King for the rest of his life.
I am pretty sure the whole "build cities in protected lands" is "build 'free' company towns in protected lands". Noone wants to live there, but they're gonna, because thats what there gonna have to...
I imagine its more 'come see the largest mine tailings pile in the world!' more than Galt's Gulch or scrip town. Having people around will just get in the way of the autonomous robots and uncontrolled lithium fires.
Everyone thinks they’re John Galt or Howard Roark when they’re really just the people Galt sacrifices in the train tunnel
You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
Agenda 47 (the official Trump plan) has plenty of scary stuff, we don't even need to argue about if Project 2025 is legit or not.
Agenda 47 has:
Mass firing of civil servants and reinstating Schedule F
Surrender Ukraine to Russia in the first 24 hours of his presidency
End of birthright citizenship
Criminalization of all gender transition health care
China style death penalty for drug convictions
National Guard deployed to pacify 'lawless' cities
Possibly military strikes on 'Drug Cartels' (War in Mexico?)
If Trump wants to put effort and money into distancing himself from Project 2025, fine, just hit him with this once he's done.
Repealing the 14th amendment is certainly a plank to put out there, I guess. Though since it does basically outlaw the Republican platform I guess they're just taking the mask off.
there is almost no empty federal land where people want to live.
where on that map is a place where except for the feds, we'd have cities. it's a distraction to sell our public lands for resource extration, as it always is.
So basically bringing back company owned towns that would only take company scrip
No no, that's amateur hour. The grocery store takes scrip, but your rent is paid in dollars. There's also a company lender who will happily loan you rent money.
Just because I have a farm I joke about turning into a hippie commune, you don't need to drag me into this.
I am genuinely concerned with company towns making a comeback. I feel like they've never worked in the past. I know of at least 5 that are barren, that I've personally visited, and 1 that's getting there.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
If Sunday is your government-enforced day off, and everything's closed, when do you go to the shops?
edit: I have heard anecdotally, from a family member who lived in Germany a few years back, that this is actually an issue there and that the German government would like to pretend that everyone has a stay-at-home partner who can go to businesses during Working Hours.
It’s because it’s for erroding further the separation of church and state. IMO It would be a state endorsed and sanctioned religious observation specifically for conservative Christians
It doesn’t seem like much but it’s up there with requiring the teaching of the Ten Commandments and the Bible in public schools
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You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
Well, for one, not everyone shares the same Sabbath. Two, it limits what people can do with their own free time - if Sunday is your day off but nothing is open, that means you can't use that time to get tasks done.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
If Sunday is your government-enforced day off, and everything's closed, when do you go to the shops?
edit: I have heard anecdotally, from a family member who lived in Germany a few years back, that this is actually an issue there and that the German government would like to pretend that everyone has a stay-at-home partner who can go to businesses during Working Hours.
Why are we assuming a six day work week? Mon-Sat allows a five day work schedule and one day for taking care of business.
It’s not without problems. But yeah, spending a few weeks in Spain (we go often) it’s interesting how shit just shuts down on Sundays. Even big box retail. Takes some adjustment. But I kinda like it, and like the idea that there’s one day a week that isn’t entirely about Capitalism for the Capitalism God.
The 2pm-4pm closures though, those take some real adjusting to.
So yeah, for me the only real issue is the legal requirement and religious basis. We don’t do that here. But otherwise? I…kinda like it?
Imagine you are an orthodox Jew, and you can't do anything on Saturday becauseof your religion, but now you can't do anything on Sunday because of someone else's religion.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
If Sunday is your government-enforced day off, and everything's closed, when do you go to the shops?
edit: I have heard anecdotally, from a family member who lived in Germany a few years back, that this is actually an issue there and that the German government would like to pretend that everyone has a stay-at-home partner who can go to businesses during Working Hours.
Why are we assuming a six day work week? Mon-Sat allows a five day work schedule and one day for taking care of business.
It’s not without problems. But yeah, spending a few weeks in Spain (we go often) it’s interesting how shit just shuts down on Sundays. Even big box retail. Takes some adjustment. But I kinda like it, and like the idea that there’s one day a week that isn’t entirely about Capitalism for the Capitalism God.
The 2pm-4pm closures though, those take some real adjusting to.
So yeah, for me the only real issue is the legal requirement and religious basis. We don’t do that here. But otherwise? I…kinda like it?
Yeah but this day off is about God for the God God
edit: it’s not about the mechanics of it, it’s 100% about why they’re doing it
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You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
If Sunday is your government-enforced day off, and everything's closed, when do you go to the shops?
edit: I have heard anecdotally, from a family member who lived in Germany a few years back, that this is actually an issue there and that the German government would like to pretend that everyone has a stay-at-home partner who can go to businesses during Working Hours.
Me personally? I am self employed, so I make my own time.
In general - saturdays people usually dont work either and everything is open. Back in the olden days when I lived at home, my parents usually went late Thursday for the weekly grocery run. Both were working full time. Supermarket runs also don't always require a car and going to some big box store. In cities you can usually walk there or buy a few things in your lunch break or on the way home.
I do not deny that it causes problems or that the problems you mentioned dont exist. But "everything closed on sunday" has been the way all my live.
Or the shop after work, supernarkets are open til 9 or 10pm.
Judging by the other answers I take it the religious reasoning is the reason to oppose it though, right?
It also further erodes service industry workers ability to do things that require business hours without taking time off work, since you're consolidating one, if not their only day off on a day where no governmental or financial services will be open.
And we all know how great the red stares are about providing access to services when they don't want to already.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
If Sunday is your government-enforced day off, and everything's closed, when do you go to the shops?
edit: I have heard anecdotally, from a family member who lived in Germany a few years back, that this is actually an issue there and that the German government would like to pretend that everyone has a stay-at-home partner who can go to businesses during Working Hours.
Why are we assuming a six day work week? Mon-Sat allows a five day work schedule and one day for taking care of business.
It’s not without problems. But yeah, spending a few weeks in Spain (we go often) it’s interesting how shit just shuts down on Sundays. Even big box retail. Takes some adjustment. But I kinda like it, and like the idea that there’s one day a week that isn’t entirely about Capitalism for the Capitalism God.
The 2pm-4pm closures though, those take some real adjusting to.
So yeah, for me the only real issue is the legal requirement and religious basis. We don’t do that here. But otherwise? I…kinda like it?
It improves nothing, and makes things worse for a lot of people. A lot of people work on Sundays - sure will suck to suddenly lose a day's pay with no recourse.
Imagine you are an orthodox Jew, and you can't do anything on Saturday becauseof your religion, but now you can't do anything on Sunday because of someone else's religion.
Now what?
Ah there we go. That’s a pretty good example of why a legally enforced “sabbath day” is problematic. If it’s simply a cultural norm, then those whose culture requires a different sabbath can (in theory) provide their own community solutions.
An orthodox Jewish market can be open on Sunday to serve that clientele. Or the old trope of going out for Chinese food on Christmas (under the presumption that the owners and staff don’t celebrate it, which is dated and racist but yeah).
But once the government says you can’t be open on Sunday, that’s a different issue. And the religious basis curves back to “we don’t do that here” for the U.S.
I mean, the religious aspect is the biggest reason to oppose the plan. I shouldn’t have to live by the religious guidelines of a belief I don’t adhere to. These same people would whip themselves into a frothing rage at even the suggestion that kids in Elementary schools be mandated to pray to Mecca during the school day.
They also seriously want the "everything is closed on Sundays" laws to return:
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
If Sunday is your government-enforced day off, and everything's closed, when do you go to the shops?
edit: I have heard anecdotally, from a family member who lived in Germany a few years back, that this is actually an issue there and that the German government would like to pretend that everyone has a stay-at-home partner who can go to businesses during Working Hours.
Me personally? I am self employed, so I make my own time.
In general - saturdays people usually dont work either and everything is open. Back in the olden days when I lived at home, my parents usually went late Thursday for the weekly grocery run. Both were working full time. Supermarket runs also don't always require a car and going to some big box store. In cities you can usually walk there or buy a few things in your lunch break or on the way home.
I do not deny that it causes problems or that the problems you mentioned dont exist. But "everything closed on sunday" has been the way all my live.
Or the shop after work, supernarkets are open til 9 or 10pm.
Judging by the other answers I take it the religious reasoning is the reason to oppose it though, right?
It’s very much the religious reasoning. It’s why I’d say fuck off to it as a policy, despite previously saying I enjoy it as a cultural norm.
It’s kinda interesting too, because yeah I’ve lived in small towns where things closing on Sunday was just a thing too. Not for any legal reason, but just because. Part of it is that once a bunch of things start closing you lose business for other things and it’s a cascading effect, where businesses are actually closing because the money isn’t there on Sunday…nothing to do with the sabbath.
It’s also been a weird shift with less things open late or 24 hour. Heard from some shift workers who’ve really struggled with that post-COVID. You get used to being able to grocery shop at 3am or 4am or whatever because that’s the schedule your life is on, and now suddenly a bunch of businesses that used to do 24/7 realized during COVID that it wasn’t really worth it…and never expanded their hours back. And yeah, it sucks for those shift workers.
So I can definitely get how everything just being closed on one of your two days off (and how quaint I am assuming a five day work week in America, I’ll admit) could be aggravating.
But above all else, fuck the enforcing religious restrictions on others. Can’t say it enough times.
There are also businesses that run 24/7 and simply can’t just stop and start with the flip of a switch.
No retail business requires 24/7.
And factories that require it are open on sundays here as well.
Question though: does the US have a general 5 or 6 day work week?
In theory five. 40 hours, five days, with overtime if you’re over the hours (and in some states maybe also if you work a sixth day?).
In practice many people out of necessity work two jobs, which negates the overtime thing and also means you can easily wind up working seven days a week. so yeah assuming a five day work week involves some privilege. But the “standard” work week is 5 days of 8 hours each.
As a general rule things like government offices are open M-F. Retail is usually seven days a week, with reduced hours at most on Sunday. Some things, like doctors and banks, lean toward the government schedule. Others lean toward retail.
Closest thing to this law you’ll usually see is legal restrictions on bars and alcohol sales on Sunday. Think some places still do that. Generally driven by rural, religious leadership.
There are also businesses that run 24/7 and simply can’t just stop and start with the flip of a switch.
No retail business requires 24/7.
And factories that require it are open on sundays here as well.
Question though: does the US have a general 5 or 6 day work week?
The clip posted above makes no distinction between retail work and factories.
But let’s say it did. Does God want factory workers to not respect the Sabbath? It says US culture has eroded due to things being open on Sunday. It’s hard for me to think it’s sincere when someone tells me “Sunday is the day of rest….except for factories, the NFL/PGA and the other comforts I enjoy and would like to continue to have available on Sunday”
There are also businesses that run 24/7 and simply can’t just stop and start with the flip of a switch.
No retail business requires 24/7.
And factories that require it are open on sundays here as well.
Question though: does the US have a general 5 or 6 day work week?
The clip posted above makes no distinction between retail work and factories.
But let’s say it did. Does God want factory workers to not respect the Sabbath? It says US culture has eroded due to things being open on Sunday. It’s hard for me to think it’s sincere when someone tells me “Sunday is the day of rest….except for factories, the NFL/PGA and the other comforts I enjoy and would like to continue to have available on Sunday”
I've worked in labs where the workforce was split between Tues-Sat and Sun-Thurs so everyone had 5 days but the place was never closed. It took inordinate amounts of work and planning to be closed Christmas with the cell culture and microbe incubation schedules.
There are also businesses that run 24/7 and simply can’t just stop and start with the flip of a switch.
No retail business requires 24/7.
And factories that require it are open on sundays here as well.
Question though: does the US have a general 5 or 6 day work week?
The clip posted above makes no distinction between retail work and factories.
But let’s say it did. Does God want factory workers to not respect the Sabbath? It says US culture has eroded due to things being open on Sunday. It’s hard for me to think it’s sincere when someone tells me “Sunday is the day of rest….except for factories, the NFL/PGA and the other comforts I enjoy and would like to continue to have available on Sunday”
I've worked in labs where the workforce was split between Tues-Sat and Sun-Thurs so everyone had 5 days but the place was never closed. It took inordinate amounts of work and planning to be closed Christmas with the cell culture and microbe incubation schedules.
On a similar train of thought, my lab sends samples out for testing frequently and if we had to plan around one day a week when we couldn’t get results, on top of unexpected delays with FedEx or whoever it would be a massive headache.
It's mighty rich to blame consumerism AND secularism for the lack of a "communal" day off.
As has been pointed out, there are entire industries that have to work when other people have time off. This reading only makes sense if you're creating an explicit underclass to serve the good religious people OR no one is going anywhere on Sunday except religious services and/or home.
Like...the obvious answer is to push for a stronger unionized work force that can negotiate for its own self interests, including better pay and more time off so people can make their own plans. But promoting a system that allows any non-Christian Dominionist lifestyle to legitimately exist is explicitly not their goal.
Entertaining the notion of "what if everyone just happened to abide by a very specific Christian timetable" should never happen.
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I’ve had so many people argue with me that the Republican Party isn’t anti-LGBTQ, until I show them the passages in the published party platform that are explicitly and unambiguously so. But of course 99% of people, including people who consider themselves educated voters, will never crack open either party’s platform.
One amusing bit from OP: bold to assume the next Republican president will read any of this, particularly in 2025, given thats Trump. That dude didn’t read actual briefings when it was his job, he ain’t reading this shit.
The craziest thing about this document too is that there’s basically no amount of privilege that will keep it from touching you. Like they want to end no-fault divorce. A ton of the shit in there is policy stuff that we vehemently disagree with them on but whatever. And then a ton of it is nasty hateful shit that mostly lands on marginalized groups, which affects us only because we choose to care (and obviously we do because we aren’t monsters). But that’s a great example of one “plank” of this that is both a huge theocratic overreach that hits far and wide.
Most people get married at some point. And a huge portion will wind up divorcing. Disallowing that won’t suddenly mean they can find a way to fix their marriages. It just means it’s time to invest in arsenic futures.
If I was putting any part of this in front of someone that’s not already on our team to show them how insane it is, that seems like the one. With the only issue being that it’s so absolutely absurd that you’d better have it bookmarked, for when they don’t believe you.
Edit: And of course the first pushback will be “but they’ll never get it passed” but then <waves at Dobbs>. This dog has proven they can catch the car.
So basically bringing back company owned towns that would only take company scrip
edit: one day the forum will stop making reasonably sized things giant; today is not that day.
No no, that's amateur hour. The grocery store takes scrip, but your rent is paid in dollars. There's also a company lender who will happily loan you rent money.
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Wait, wait, wait. Hold on here. Let's not throw this entirely out. "Judeo-Christian" covers a lot of faiths. With different Sabbath days. It would be wrong to celebrate only one. We should be taking off all 3.
Jokes aside, it never means anything other than "conservative Christian" and they would consider that heresy.
if you wanna do shit because you think god says so, go ahead. leave me and everyone else the fuck out of it.
And then at the bottom of the article their source is literally a link to Donald Trump's "Truth" (fuck not putting scare quotes around that) about how he totally has nothing to do with this.
Journalists and editors have gotten so far up their own asses about objectivity that they just take the world's most prolific liar's word at face value. But that's only if you assume good faith; most journalists are so horny for the upcoming drama of authoritarian America that they can't hide their slavering expectation and willing ignorance.
Hopefully the Biden campaign ties Trump inescapably to this nightmarish hell-plan since our media would rather either publish pieces about how Biden is old (we know) or run meta pieces about how the media can't stop talking about how Biden is old (seriously, we know).
I imagine its more 'come see the largest mine tailings pile in the world!' more than Galt's Gulch or scrip town. Having people around will just get in the way of the autonomous robots and uncontrolled lithium fires.
Also “everything closed on Sunday” wouldn’t include the NFL or other entertainment. Probably restaurants too.
One of the things that should be stressed with this shit is that not only is Trump surrounding by assholes on the Heritage Foundation that want this shit, that will be part of his cabinet and thus signing all the paperwork because that's what the Federalist Society did to get the judges they wanted and those fuckers are tied at the hip with the Heritage Foundation. Trump very likely asked his pal Putin to look it over because that is going to be his roadmap to bypass the Constitution so that he can be POTUS for life.
Fucker might not have read the document completely, likely doesn't remember much of it, but he did sign off on it because he sees it as his best shot off usurping power and being King for the rest of his life.
Everyone thinks they’re John Galt or Howard Roark when they’re really just the people Galt sacrifices in the train tunnel
But it's amazingly lazy and dishonest to not recognize and interrogate the connections and overlaps between those two camps.
THE story in American politics is the huge gains by the conservative movement. This is THE next step in that.
Agenda 47 has:
Mass firing of civil servants and reinstating Schedule F
Surrender Ukraine to Russia in the first 24 hours of his presidency
End of birthright citizenship
Criminalization of all gender transition health care
China style death penalty for drug convictions
National Guard deployed to pacify 'lawless' cities
Possibly military strikes on 'Drug Cartels' (War in Mexico?)
If Trump wants to put effort and money into distancing himself from Project 2025, fine, just hit him with this once he's done.
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Just because I have a farm I joke about turning into a hippie commune, you don't need to drag me into this.
I am genuinely concerned with company towns making a comeback. I feel like they've never worked in the past. I know of at least 5 that are barren, that I've personally visited, and 1 that's getting there.
Ignoring the heavily religious reasoning for the moment - what is so bad about closing stuff on sundays?
Genuinely asking, as this is the norm in Germany. No supernarkets are open, no other shops either outside small specialist convenience stores.
If Sunday is your government-enforced day off, and everything's closed, when do you go to the shops?
edit: I have heard anecdotally, from a family member who lived in Germany a few years back, that this is actually an issue there and that the German government would like to pretend that everyone has a stay-at-home partner who can go to businesses during Working Hours.
It doesn’t seem like much but it’s up there with requiring the teaching of the Ten Commandments and the Bible in public schools
Well, for one, not everyone shares the same Sabbath. Two, it limits what people can do with their own free time - if Sunday is your day off but nothing is open, that means you can't use that time to get tasks done.
Why are we assuming a six day work week? Mon-Sat allows a five day work schedule and one day for taking care of business.
It’s not without problems. But yeah, spending a few weeks in Spain (we go often) it’s interesting how shit just shuts down on Sundays. Even big box retail. Takes some adjustment. But I kinda like it, and like the idea that there’s one day a week that isn’t entirely about Capitalism for the Capitalism God.
The 2pm-4pm closures though, those take some real adjusting to.
So yeah, for me the only real issue is the legal requirement and religious basis. We don’t do that here. But otherwise? I…kinda like it?
Now what?
Yeah but this day off is about God for the God God
edit: it’s not about the mechanics of it, it’s 100% about why they’re doing it
Me personally? I am self employed, so I make my own time.
In general - saturdays people usually dont work either and everything is open. Back in the olden days when I lived at home, my parents usually went late Thursday for the weekly grocery run. Both were working full time. Supermarket runs also don't always require a car and going to some big box store. In cities you can usually walk there or buy a few things in your lunch break or on the way home.
I do not deny that it causes problems or that the problems you mentioned dont exist. But "everything closed on sunday" has been the way all my live.
Or the shop after work, supernarkets are open til 9 or 10pm.
Judging by the other answers I take it the religious reasoning is the reason to oppose it though, right?
And we all know how great the red stares are about providing access to services when they don't want to already.
It improves nothing, and makes things worse for a lot of people. A lot of people work on Sundays - sure will suck to suddenly lose a day's pay with no recourse.
Ah there we go. That’s a pretty good example of why a legally enforced “sabbath day” is problematic. If it’s simply a cultural norm, then those whose culture requires a different sabbath can (in theory) provide their own community solutions.
An orthodox Jewish market can be open on Sunday to serve that clientele. Or the old trope of going out for Chinese food on Christmas (under the presumption that the owners and staff don’t celebrate it, which is dated and racist but yeah).
But once the government says you can’t be open on Sunday, that’s a different issue. And the religious basis curves back to “we don’t do that here” for the U.S.
It’s very much the religious reasoning. It’s why I’d say fuck off to it as a policy, despite previously saying I enjoy it as a cultural norm.
It’s kinda interesting too, because yeah I’ve lived in small towns where things closing on Sunday was just a thing too. Not for any legal reason, but just because. Part of it is that once a bunch of things start closing you lose business for other things and it’s a cascading effect, where businesses are actually closing because the money isn’t there on Sunday…nothing to do with the sabbath.
It’s also been a weird shift with less things open late or 24 hour. Heard from some shift workers who’ve really struggled with that post-COVID. You get used to being able to grocery shop at 3am or 4am or whatever because that’s the schedule your life is on, and now suddenly a bunch of businesses that used to do 24/7 realized during COVID that it wasn’t really worth it…and never expanded their hours back. And yeah, it sucks for those shift workers.
So I can definitely get how everything just being closed on one of your two days off (and how quaint I am assuming a five day work week in America, I’ll admit) could be aggravating.
But above all else, fuck the enforcing religious restrictions on others. Can’t say it enough times.
No retail business requires 24/7.
And factories that require it are open on sundays here as well.
Question though: does the US have a general 5 or 6 day work week?
In theory five. 40 hours, five days, with overtime if you’re over the hours (and in some states maybe also if you work a sixth day?).
In practice many people out of necessity work two jobs, which negates the overtime thing and also means you can easily wind up working seven days a week. so yeah assuming a five day work week involves some privilege. But the “standard” work week is 5 days of 8 hours each.
As a general rule things like government offices are open M-F. Retail is usually seven days a week, with reduced hours at most on Sunday. Some things, like doctors and banks, lean toward the government schedule. Others lean toward retail.
Closest thing to this law you’ll usually see is legal restrictions on bars and alcohol sales on Sunday. Think some places still do that. Generally driven by rural, religious leadership.
Most common is 40 hour week over 5 days. White collar jobs will mostly be M-F with beginning and ending hours somewhere between 7a-6p.
The clip posted above makes no distinction between retail work and factories.
But let’s say it did. Does God want factory workers to not respect the Sabbath? It says US culture has eroded due to things being open on Sunday. It’s hard for me to think it’s sincere when someone tells me “Sunday is the day of rest….except for factories, the NFL/PGA and the other comforts I enjoy and would like to continue to have available on Sunday”
I've worked in labs where the workforce was split between Tues-Sat and Sun-Thurs so everyone had 5 days but the place was never closed. It took inordinate amounts of work and planning to be closed Christmas with the cell culture and microbe incubation schedules.
On a similar train of thought, my lab sends samples out for testing frequently and if we had to plan around one day a week when we couldn’t get results, on top of unexpected delays with FedEx or whoever it would be a massive headache.
As has been pointed out, there are entire industries that have to work when other people have time off. This reading only makes sense if you're creating an explicit underclass to serve the good religious people OR no one is going anywhere on Sunday except religious services and/or home.
Like...the obvious answer is to push for a stronger unionized work force that can negotiate for its own self interests, including better pay and more time off so people can make their own plans. But promoting a system that allows any non-Christian Dominionist lifestyle to legitimately exist is explicitly not their goal.
Entertaining the notion of "what if everyone just happened to abide by a very specific Christian timetable" should never happen.