So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
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so that candidates don't get dinged by people because they missed a question towards them or the general group in the chatter of a general purpose thread i think it might be advantageous to have at least one dedicated thread for questions and answers and maybe even do one thread of questions and one thread for answers from candidates only.
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We're working on an authentication system. It's still being finalized, but we expect it will utilize the registry of users who have set CoRe PINs as our "voter registry".
If you have already set a PIN for CoRe, you're good. If you have not, please do so right now to be ahead of the game and ready to vote when this is finished. Please note that voting will not use your PIN you set here, we're just using the list of accounts that have set PINs as our valid voter registery.
We're working on an authentication system. It's still being finalized, but we expect it will utilize the registry of users who have set CoRe PINs as our "voter registry".
If you have already set a PIN for CoRe, you're good. If you have not, please do so right now to be ahead of the game and ready to vote when this is finished. Please note that voting will not use your PIN you set here, we're just using the list of accounts that have set PINs as our valid voter registery.
Thank you for listening to the concerns and for the clear delineation between using the PIN and using requesting a PIN as the basis of the voter registration.
So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think that's fair.
One thing to keep in mind is that even if someone you absolutely hate gets on the board, they are ultimately one voice among many. Five board members plus four executives plus ten-ish mods means that any one person has their impact diluted, such that if you trust the other folks, that one person shouldn't be a deal breaker.
It's very possible that there will be people who leave because of what they see as a poor board choice, and that's unfortunate. There will be people who leave because the vibe of the new place is weird, or because change is hard, or because PA was a habit and CoRe had yet to become one. Each person who doesn't make the transition is a loss. I hope the number is as small as possible. And I also hope that everyone realizes that none of the decisions made now are permanent or immutable. Board positions are temporary for a reason.
I would also strongly suspect that the way STV works, it is extremely likely IMO that multiple polarizing candidates from different sides of the schism will gain a seat.
So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think that's fair.
One thing to keep in mind is that even if someone you absolutely hate gets on the board, they are ultimately one voice among many. Five board members plus four executives plus ten-ish mods means that any one person has their impact diluted, such that if you trust the other folks, that one person shouldn't be a deal breaker.
It's very possible that there will be people who leave because of what they see as a poor board choice, and that's unfortunate. There will be people who leave because the vibe of the new place is weird, or because change is hard, or because PA was a habit and CoRe had yet to become one. Each person who doesn't make the transition is a loss. I hope the number is as small as possible. And I also hope that everyone realizes that none of the decisions made now are permanent or immutable. Board positions are temporary for a reason.
Ok, so if board positions are temporary and mutable and will pop up again later why throw your hat in the ring now when you've clearly inflamed a good proportion of people by not even owning up to your actions? When you know that you continuing is going to start more arguments and end up with people deciding not to be a part of something that has your name on the door?
Why not show some character and step aside, then if you still feel like you want to be involved when the term limits are up or the board needs to be extended step up then? Why, when faced with the shit storm of last night would you just think "clearly it's the other people that are the problem, here" and carry on regardless?
I think if we're asking people to be representative of the new space then they should show some integrity and knowing when to step aside and take some time to reflect is probably a good idea. I read through that whole thread and just saw deflection, denial and people saying "but everyone knew what was happening"
That's not good enough, to me. I think we deserve better.
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All I can really say is I have the best interest of the forumers and forums in mind and I will do my best to vote in a way that reflects that.
I spent all afternoon yesterday at a sugarshack and the rest of the day hand-drawing a uniform badge for my daughter's ComicCon cosplay. And that's the one day you guys picked to have a schism without me?
Seriously though, what the goose happened yesterday?
So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think that's fair.
One thing to keep in mind is that even if someone you absolutely hate gets on the board, they are ultimately one voice among many. Five board members plus four executives plus ten-ish mods means that any one person has their impact diluted, such that if you trust the other folks, that one person shouldn't be a deal breaker.
It's very possible that there will be people who leave because of what they see as a poor board choice, and that's unfortunate. There will be people who leave because the vibe of the new place is weird, or because change is hard, or because PA was a habit and CoRe had yet to become one. Each person who doesn't make the transition is a loss. I hope the number is as small as possible. And I also hope that everyone realizes that none of the decisions made now are permanent or immutable. Board positions are temporary for a reason.
Ok, so if board positions are temporary and mutable and will pop up again later why throw your hat in the ring now when you've clearly inflamed a good proportion of people by not even owning up to your actions? When you know that you continuing is going to start more arguments and end up with people deciding not to be a part of something that has your name on the door?
Why not show some character and step aside, then if you still feel like you want to be involved when the term limits are up or the board needs to be extended step up then? Why, when faced with the shit storm of last night would you just think "clearly it's the other people that are the problem, here" and carry on regardless?
I think if we're asking people to be representative of the new space then they should show some integrity and knowing when to step aside and take some time to reflect is probably a good idea. I read through that whole thread and just saw deflection, denial and people saying "but everyone knew what was happening"
That's not good enough, to me. I think we deserve better.
The concern is that the community will select someone that a vocal minority doesn't like? The solution here is that the community can't be trusted to choose for themselves?
So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think.... if someone is the right person for the job, and they are literally chosen to be the right person by so many folks to beat out ~15 other candidates or whatever across the entire community. Maybe if a small number of posters so stridently disagree with what everyone else wants, that maybe this just isn't a good match?
Ideally we keep everyone as one big happy family. But people grow, we change, we drift apart. Trying to keep some folks to stick with the bigger group even if they super duper disagree with fundamental values of the bigger group is maybe just not the goal.
(This is assuming that any one person being elected would actually cause folks to leave and that they actually do get elected.)
I'm just looking for information to make an informed choice. If I think the reason people hate somebody is nonsense, and that person is actually exceptionally well suited to the job, then maybe it's worth rocking the boat for it. But I think trust is by far the #1 most important criteria for this job, moreso than any other skills or qualifications, and I want to vote for someone who has been able to earn that trust without burning bridges.
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Is there a place somewhere where I can see the candidates listed along with their profile pics?
I know that the people up for election are well-known forumers, and I've probably interacted with each and every one of them over the years, but for me at least it's really helpful to have an avatar to tie a name to for those folks who don't post in the same spheres as me.
So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think that's fair.
One thing to keep in mind is that even if someone you absolutely hate gets on the board, they are ultimately one voice among many. Five board members plus four executives plus ten-ish mods means that any one person has their impact diluted, such that if you trust the other folks, that one person shouldn't be a deal breaker.
It's very possible that there will be people who leave because of what they see as a poor board choice, and that's unfortunate. There will be people who leave because the vibe of the new place is weird, or because change is hard, or because PA was a habit and CoRe had yet to become one. Each person who doesn't make the transition is a loss. I hope the number is as small as possible. And I also hope that everyone realizes that none of the decisions made now are permanent or immutable. Board positions are temporary for a reason.
I would also strongly suspect that the way STV works, it is extremely likely IMO that multiple polarizing candidates from different sides of the schism will gain a seat.
there is only one candidate that is "polarizing" and it has nothing to do with "different sides of the schism" whatever that means. this was explained many, many times in the locked thread and the fact that you keep leaning on this completely untrue framing really sucks
Is there a place somewhere where I can see the candidates listed along with their profile pics?
I know that the people up for election are well-known forumers, and I've probably interacted with each and every one of them over the years, but for me at least it's really helpful to have an avatar to tie a name to for those folks who don't post in the same spheres as me.
The OP here, and it @'s us, so you can click on those to get to our profiles.
So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think that's fair.
One thing to keep in mind is that even if someone you absolutely hate gets on the board, they are ultimately one voice among many. Five board members plus four executives plus ten-ish mods means that any one person has their impact diluted, such that if you trust the other folks, that one person shouldn't be a deal breaker.
It's very possible that there will be people who leave because of what they see as a poor board choice, and that's unfortunate. There will be people who leave because the vibe of the new place is weird, or because change is hard, or because PA was a habit and CoRe had yet to become one. Each person who doesn't make the transition is a loss. I hope the number is as small as possible. And I also hope that everyone realizes that none of the decisions made now are permanent or immutable. Board positions are temporary for a reason.
I would also strongly suspect that the way STV works, it is extremely likely IMO that multiple polarizing candidates from different sides of the schism will gain a seat.
there is only one candidate that is "polarizing" and it has nothing to do with "different sides of the schism" whatever that means. this was explained many, many times in the locked thread and the fact that you keep leaning on this completely untrue framing really sucks
There's more then one candidate there who could be considered "polarizing" by the metrics being used. And the idea of ElJeffe being "polarizing" is itself entirely a product of cliques and schisms on the board. Because it's really mostly a small group of people very mad at a random poster.
If this is supposed to be a democratic process, then let the actual voters decide.
We're working on an authentication system. It's still being finalized, but we expect it will utilize the registry of users who have set CoRe PINs as our "voter registry".
If you have already set a PIN for CoRe, you're good. If you have not, please do so right now to be ahead of the game and ready to vote when this is finished. Please note that voting will not use your PIN you set here, we're just using the list of accounts that have set PINs as our valid voter registery.
Is there a place somewhere where I can see the candidates listed along with their profile pics?
I know that the people up for election are well-known forumers, and I've probably interacted with each and every one of them over the years, but for me at least it's really helpful to have an avatar to tie a name to for those folks who don't post in the same spheres as me.
The OP here, and it @'s us, so you can click on those to get to our profiles.
Yes, that was very helpful to get a sense of a few of the posters who I hadn't had much experience with. It's up the them of course, but I think not having your profile set to private for those running certainly helps.
So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think that's fair.
One thing to keep in mind is that even if someone you absolutely hate gets on the board, they are ultimately one voice among many. Five board members plus four executives plus ten-ish mods means that any one person has their impact diluted, such that if you trust the other folks, that one person shouldn't be a deal breaker.
It's very possible that there will be people who leave because of what they see as a poor board choice, and that's unfortunate. There will be people who leave because the vibe of the new place is weird, or because change is hard, or because PA was a habit and CoRe had yet to become one. Each person who doesn't make the transition is a loss. I hope the number is as small as possible. And I also hope that everyone realizes that none of the decisions made now are permanent or immutable. Board positions are temporary for a reason.
I would also strongly suspect that the way STV works, it is extremely likely IMO that multiple polarizing candidates from different sides of the schism will gain a seat.
there is only one candidate that is "polarizing" and it has nothing to do with "different sides of the schism" whatever that means. this was explained many, many times in the locked thread and the fact that you keep leaning on this completely untrue framing really sucks
I'm not interested in supporting anyone who was in charge of shaping DnD for the last few years. It's gotten dramatically worse year on year for some time.
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So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think that's fair.
One thing to keep in mind is that even if someone you absolutely hate gets on the board, they are ultimately one voice among many. Five board members plus four executives plus ten-ish mods means that any one person has their impact diluted, such that if you trust the other folks, that one person shouldn't be a deal breaker.
It's very possible that there will be people who leave because of what they see as a poor board choice, and that's unfortunate. There will be people who leave because the vibe of the new place is weird, or because change is hard, or because PA was a habit and CoRe had yet to become one. Each person who doesn't make the transition is a loss. I hope the number is as small as possible. And I also hope that everyone realizes that none of the decisions made now are permanent or immutable. Board positions are temporary for a reason.
I would also strongly suspect that the way STV works, it is extremely likely IMO that multiple polarizing candidates from different sides of the schism will gain a seat.
I would assume that with STV we'd actually get people more in the middle, as the first preferences go to the polarising candidates, the people who gravitate to one pole over the other will not have other polarising candidates in their list of preferences. But both sets of voters will probably have more middle of the road candidates as their 2nd through 5th preferences (and beyond), so they'll probably start to do quite well once the transfers kick in.
Assuming one of these polarising candidates doesn't get over the quota on first preferences alone, that is.
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So I'm trying to find a delicate way to ask this because I really don't want to spark a big fight over it, but I simply don't know the answer myself: who among this list has enough controversy surrounding them in the community that it would cause a huge stink if they won and might cause some to leave the forums? I hope there are at least 5 qualified people for whom that isn't true. I think it's important that the outcome of this election is not super inflammatory and doesn't risk splintering the community.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
I think that's fair.
One thing to keep in mind is that even if someone you absolutely hate gets on the board, they are ultimately one voice among many. Five board members plus four executives plus ten-ish mods means that any one person has their impact diluted, such that if you trust the other folks, that one person shouldn't be a deal breaker.
It's very possible that there will be people who leave because of what they see as a poor board choice, and that's unfortunate. There will be people who leave because the vibe of the new place is weird, or because change is hard, or because PA was a habit and CoRe had yet to become one. Each person who doesn't make the transition is a loss. I hope the number is as small as possible. And I also hope that everyone realizes that none of the decisions made now are permanent or immutable. Board positions are temporary for a reason.
I would also strongly suspect that the way STV works, it is extremely likely IMO that multiple polarizing candidates from different sides of the schism will gain a seat.
there is only one candidate that is "polarizing" and it has nothing to do with "different sides of the schism" whatever that means. this was explained many, many times in the locked thread and the fact that you keep leaning on this completely untrue framing really sucks
There's more then one candidate there who could be considered "polarizing" by the metrics being used. And the idea of ElJeffe being "polarizing" is itself entirely a product of cliques and schisms on the board. Because it's really mostly a small group of people very mad at a random poster.
If this is supposed to be a democratic process, then let the actual voters decide.
By random poster do you mean a former mod who still had access to the mod forums despite being a regular user?
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Not to turn this into a food thread, but I saw this great tradition derided just mere hours ago.
I'd say for sure ElJeffe is one example just by virtue of what happened yesterday. Are there others that people in the community vehemently oppose? Can we maybe just touch on the reason why without fighting over the specifics right now?
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We're working on an authentication system. It's still being finalized, but we expect it will utilize the registry of users who have set CoRe PINs as our "voter registry".
If you have already set a PIN for CoRe, you're good. If you have not, please do so right now to be ahead of the game and ready to vote when this is finished. Please note that voting will not use your PIN you set here, we're just using the list of accounts that have set PINs as our valid voter registery.
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i don't see why it wouldn't be a open face sandwich to be honest
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Thank you for listening to the concerns and for the clear delineation between using the PIN and using requesting a PIN as the basis of the voter registration.
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I would also strongly suspect that the way STV works, it is extremely likely IMO that multiple polarizing candidates from different sides of the schism will gain a seat.
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Ok, so if board positions are temporary and mutable and will pop up again later why throw your hat in the ring now when you've clearly inflamed a good proportion of people by not even owning up to your actions? When you know that you continuing is going to start more arguments and end up with people deciding not to be a part of something that has your name on the door?
Why not show some character and step aside, then if you still feel like you want to be involved when the term limits are up or the board needs to be extended step up then? Why, when faced with the shit storm of last night would you just think "clearly it's the other people that are the problem, here" and carry on regardless?
I think if we're asking people to be representative of the new space then they should show some integrity and knowing when to step aside and take some time to reflect is probably a good idea. I read through that whole thread and just saw deflection, denial and people saying "but everyone knew what was happening"
That's not good enough, to me. I think we deserve better.
Seriously though, what the goose happened yesterday?
Who'd we lose this time?
Well I plan on being corrupt and taking bribes so blatantly it'd make Clarence Thomas blush if he could still feel shame, but you do you.
Turning this into a goof off is a hot dog a sandwich thread seems unproductive maybe even counterproductive
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The concern is that the community will select someone that a vocal minority doesn't like? The solution here is that the community can't be trusted to choose for themselves?
Well, balls
I know that the people up for election are well-known forumers, and I've probably interacted with each and every one of them over the years, but for me at least it's really helpful to have an avatar to tie a name to for those folks who don't post in the same spheres as me.
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there is only one candidate that is "polarizing" and it has nothing to do with "different sides of the schism" whatever that means. this was explained many, many times in the locked thread and the fact that you keep leaning on this completely untrue framing really sucks
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There's more then one candidate there who could be considered "polarizing" by the metrics being used. And the idea of ElJeffe being "polarizing" is itself entirely a product of cliques and schisms on the board. Because it's really mostly a small group of people very mad at a random poster.
If this is supposed to be a democratic process, then let the actual voters decide.
Tiny addendum - I've had at least one report of cyrillic characters not getting picked up, so... don't use those in your PIN
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Yes, that was very helpful to get a sense of a few of the posters who I hadn't had much experience with. It's up the them of course, but I think not having your profile set to private for those running certainly helps.
This is not true
I would assume that with STV we'd actually get people more in the middle, as the first preferences go to the polarising candidates, the people who gravitate to one pole over the other will not have other polarising candidates in their list of preferences. But both sets of voters will probably have more middle of the road candidates as their 2nd through 5th preferences (and beyond), so they'll probably start to do quite well once the transfers kick in.
Assuming one of these polarising candidates doesn't get over the quota on first preferences alone, that is.
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Shit, between this and the voight-kampff test answer, Richy is making a strong case for themselves!
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By random poster do you mean a former mod who still had access to the mod forums despite being a regular user?
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