If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons.
Great cool go fucking ham then man.
Either way this new forum exists on the good graces of its members and if the board is populated with people who are openly detested by a significant section of the population the system falls apart.
I gotta think anyone openly detested by a significant section won’t get voted into the board. The problem seemingly solves itself.
We're both Americans, we know better.
The voting population here is quite a bit smaller and actually helps in the case a “significant section” strongly oppose a candidate.
If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons.
Great cool go fucking ham then man.
Either way this new forum exists on the good graces of its members and if the board is populated with people who are openly detested by a significant section of the population the system falls apart.
I gotta think anyone openly detested by a significant section won’t get voted into the board. The problem seemingly solves itself.
I actually agree. I think it's important for El Jeffe to be in the running as a test balloon, a canary in the coal mine, for me to see and know if Coin Return is worth participating in. I understand why people disagree and I don't think they're necessarily wrong, but I think it's helpful to know!
I think everyone has enough information in this thread about why some posters will not be voting for ElJeffe and why some other posts do not think those reasons are legitimate. Anything past that at this point does seem to fall into relitigating last night's thread. The information is there, it can be voted on.
I appreciate those who brought up their concerns about Tav and Kelor even though I do not agree. I don't really think much more discussion needs to be had there; again, people have the information now to decide what they think about it.
If there are other issues people want to bring up about candidates which have not been mentioned, I think that would be more productive than a back-and-forth about the ones already brought.
No other TT or governance team members are running unless I'm having a brain fart, so I think further conversation about the woes of two teams which are deliberately abdicating their authority once the lights go on are somewhat irrelevant. All their work is getting ratified by the community so even if you think they are just the worst people ever, I don't really see that it matters because those teams are getting dissolved and all their output is subject to our approval.
If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons. If that's the logic people want to go with anyway.
I think the idea that anyone is as polarizing as Jeffe at this point is extremely silly. The other thread might as well be named "The El Jeffe thread".
I think if you believe that it's only because there hasn't really been allowed to be threads on other posters or other groups of posters.
Like, the stalking thing was a BIG fucking issue. Multiple long-time posters nuked their accounts and left over it. Supporting that shit very polarizing.
Sounds like a good time to bring that up then instead of doing this whole, "We all know who I'm talking about!" dance.
Forum's going away, Shryke, we're moving to the new one, if you think someone here supports stalking you should maybe light 'em up. It's now or never.
If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons. If that's the logic people want to go with anyway.
I think the idea that anyone is as polarizing as Jeffe at this point is extremely silly. The other thread might as well be named "The El Jeffe thread".
I think if you believe that it's only because there hasn't really been allowed to be threads on other posters or other groups of posters.
Like, the stalking thing was a BIG fucking issue. Multiple long-time posters nuked their accounts and left over it. Supporting that shit very polarizing.
Sounds like a good time to bring that up then instead of doing this whole, "We all know who I'm talking about!" dance.
Forum's going away, Shryke, we're moving to the new one, if you think someone here supports stalking you should maybe light 'em up. It's now or never.
Yeah, this is the place to lay all your cards out if you have any. Like, there's no going back from this vote.
No I don't.
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HerrCronIt that wickedly supports taxationRegistered Userregular
If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons.
Great cool go fucking ham then man.
Either way this new forum exists on the good graces of its members and if the board is populated with people who are openly detested by a significant section of the population the system falls apart.
I gotta think anyone openly detested by a significant section won’t get voted into the board. The problem seemingly solves itself.
We're both Americans, we know better.
The voting population here is quite a bit smaller and actually helps in the case a “significant section” strongly oppose a candidate.
Also it's not FPTP and/or electoral college - it's a much better voting system, used by civilised nations around the world, and also New Zealand.
So, if Jeffe is such a widely detested figure, it's massively unlikely they'd be elected. And if they are, then people are probably gonna have to reevaluate just how wide the consensus is about their grievances.
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If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons. If that's the logic people want to go with anyway.
I think the idea that anyone is as polarizing as Jeffe at this point is extremely silly. The other thread might as well be named "The El Jeffe thread".
I think if you believe that it's only because there hasn't really been allowed to be threads on other posters or other groups of posters.
Like, the stalking thing was a BIG fucking issue. Multiple long-time posters nuked their accounts and left over it. Supporting that shit very polarizing.
Sounds like a good time to bring that up then instead of doing this whole, "We all know who I'm talking about!" dance.
Forum's going away, Shryke, we're moving to the new one, if you think someone here supports stalking you should maybe light 'em up. It's now or never.
I already did. Like a page or two ago. I guess you missed it or something.
If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons. If that's the logic people want to go with anyway.
I think the idea that anyone is as polarizing as Jeffe at this point is extremely silly. The other thread might as well be named "The El Jeffe thread".
I think if you believe that it's only because there hasn't really been allowed to be threads on other posters or other groups of posters.
Like, the stalking thing was a BIG fucking issue. Multiple long-time posters nuked their accounts and left over it. Supporting that shit very polarizing.
I remember people disagreeing with calling the incident stalking. Not that they thought stalking was fine. The person who did it got banned and everybody approved of the ban they just didn't like how the actions were characterized, nobody said it was fine to do.
I think Tynic and Fishman are exceptionally well suited to be board members, in both capability and temperament. This isn't necessarily to the exclusion of anyone else, just to say that they leapt off the page
I was particularly excited to see them and DrZiplock on the list for these reasons, yeah
Would be thrilled to see 'em on the final list
Yeah, these are my initial-gut-reaction selections, personally.
Definitely people I trust to look at things on the forums as people talking to one another, rather than posting comments on the internet.
AmateurHour isn't someone I've interacted with a ton that I recall, but what I do recall he seemed reasonable even if I disagreed. He's also well regarded in DnD and that does carry some weight.
I'm concerned that Ahava's conflict aversion is a mismatch for leadership.
Inquistor I only know as the guy who posted multiple times at length about how certain posters should just be ignored.
(I've seen some more serious questions that I will answer when I'm not procrastinating at work and can give a thorough response).
Favorite faction in SMAC?
Favorite faction in SMAX?
Oh see here I should say something safe like the UN Peacekeeping Forces but it's the Human Hive because I love industry and not taking inefficiency penalties.
I think most of the SMAX factions dilute the story but of them I think the Nautilus Pirates add the most unique new play style.
Fuck yeah I love the Pirates, they put a lot of pressure on the start of the game and racing everyone else but I love how much territory they can claim early on.
Human Hive sounds like some nerve stapling shit and I need to know that you would not permit any nerve stapling if you were on the board.
If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons. If that's the logic people want to go with anyway.
I think the idea that anyone is as polarizing as Jeffe at this point is extremely silly. The other thread might as well be named "The El Jeffe thread".
I think if you believe that it's only because there hasn't really been allowed to be threads on other posters or other groups of posters.
Like, the stalking thing was a BIG fucking issue. Multiple long-time posters nuked their accounts and left over it. Supporting that shit very polarizing.
Yeah and that was discussed for ages when it was new and relevant. When people have done shit it gets talked about. If you have anything thats relevant now and not nearly a year old go nuts the floor is yours, who else has some majorly disquialifing history
Everyone please put the candidates you have BIG ISSUES with in your signatures so I can keep track, for my voting.
It's the last day, might as well use those signatures! Please keep the images within forum guidelines, though!
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HachfaceNot the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking ofDammit, Shepard!Registered Userregular
ElJeffe, along with multiple forum admins and mods, perpetrated a clear deception on the community by retaining access to the reports forum while having the appearance of a regular user. Not only was his access maintained, but he used it. This is not acceptable.
Arguments that he didn't want access, but had access thrust upon him by the administration, fail to persuade in the face of his failure to make his access transparent, and for his deliberate use of it. He at no point came forward to clarify the unusual scope of his permissions during a time when he was visually indistinguishable from any non-mod user.
It is impossible to believe that he did not understand the importance of this issue to the community. These forums had a notorious series of blow-ups where ElJeffe's ambiguous status was a key point of contention. At a certain point in that process it was claimed (I think by Geebs) that demodding ElJeffe was simply impossible due to a bug in the Vanilla implementation. In retrospect I can only regard that as a clear lie.
When the truth of ElJeffe's access recently became known through gossip channels (by this I mainly mean Discord), the transition team faced pressure to address the matter. They told him as much. ElJeffe took this opportunity to take control of the narrative and depict the TT's communication to him as blackmail. This is, in my view, a patently absurd accusation and an obvious attempt to shift blame and reverse victim and offender.
These are just the events of the last few weeks. ElJeffe had a long history as a moderator before that. He presided over a time when DnD became a viper pit of bullying, condescension, and superciliousness.
Frankly ElJeffe I think you should remove yourself from consideration for a board seat. The mere fact that you thought putting your name forward for consideration demonstrates that you are incapable of putting the harmony of the community over your own self-regard.
BTW, positive character references are very helpful if there are people on the list you can personally attest to being well suited to the job. Please be specific about why though.
For my part, the people I'll be voting for are:
Tynic
Fishman
DrZiplock
Raijin
and prooobably Spono
like others have said, this isn't to the exclusion of anyone else (with one obvious exception) but just that I have a clear image of these five as people who are level-headed, intelligent, well spoken, and (while this shouldn't matter, it does) extremely uninterested in drama, beefs, or grudges. I can't think of any negative interactions I've ever seen with any of them, directly or indirectly (other than Raijin's absolutely unforgivable movie opinions), and they all strike me as generally measured, thoughtful people. basically, I trust them to approach serious subjects seriously while still remaining a regular part of the community and not let the title go to their heads
also I don't know exactly how long they've all been here but I know it's a real damn long time and I trust them to stick around even if the going gets tough
if any of them doesn't make it to the board I would be more than happy to vote for all of them to be mods, semi mods, demi mods, super mods, super models, or whatever other role we end up needing. they're all good people through and through
edit: I also want to say, I don't recall having interacted with kime in the past but they've had some very solid answers to questions in this thread and seem to align with what I think the new forums should look like going forward, so I'd have no problem with them as well
Houk on
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DabbleIt has been a doozy of a dayRegistered Userregular
@Tef (and to a lesser extent @minor incident ), considering the frightening demonstration of a complete failure of character judgement and vetting (over the objections of another Governance member), what actions will you take or commitments will you make to ensure that individuals with such similar utter contempt for an open, democratic, and transparent process (to the point that they actively encourage the suicide of other users for disagreeing with them) do not get anywhere near the levers of power at CoRe?
Further, you claim to want transparency, but there was no indication that Oghulk/Gereg was ever officially assigned to Governance, the last post from anyone involved in transition in the Coin Return Governance Decisions thread was with regards to zagdrob stepping down on February 9th, while further indicating that Chanus and zerzhul had been elevated.
What was the exact process by which Oghulk/Gereg appointed to Governance, and when, precisely, were you intending to inform the community as a whole of this change in the designated official channels for such information to be disseminated?
In light of this person being slipped in effectively under cover of darkness, and the amount of vitriol spewed in their official, professional capacity as a member of Governance, it behooves you, if you claim to want transparency and openness, to expose how this person ended up anywhere near CoRe's transition team.
Question for everyone, there's been an effort over the last year or two to basically ban posting of Twitter embeds on the forums. What are your thoughts on this, are you for or against it? Please explain your reasoning.
Death of Rats on
No I don't.
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HachfaceNot the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking ofDammit, Shepard!Registered Userregular
edited March 31
On a more positive note, my #1 choice is tynic, although putting tynic into that position does feel like enslaving a powerful genie.
If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons.
Great cool go fucking ham then man.
Either way this new forum exists on the good graces of its members and if the board is populated with people who are openly detested by a significant section of the population the system falls apart.
I gotta think anyone openly detested by a significant section won’t get voted into the board. The problem seemingly solves itself.
We're both Americans, we know better.
The voting population here is quite a bit smaller and actually helps in the case a “significant section” strongly oppose a candidate.
Also it's not FPTP and/or electoral college - it's a much better voting system, used by civilised nations around the world, and also New Zealand.
So, if Jeffe is such a widely detested figure, it's massively unlikely they'd be elected. And if they are, then people are probably gonna have to reevaluate just how wide the consensus is about their grievances.
I disagree, and because it got bottom-posted on the last page:
If the goal is a long term stable community that can bring over as much of this community as possible there are 19 names and we only need 5. There's no reason to bring Jeffe over to the board when its pretty clear doing so would run counter to this goal, regardless of how one feels about him personally. "but but someone else is polarizing" doesn't mean anything when we have nearly four times as many candidates as seats.
It means we shouldn't put those people on the board either for the same reasons.
Great cool go fucking ham then man.
Either way this new forum exists on the good graces of its members and if the board is populated with people who are openly detested by a significant section of the population the system falls apart.
I gotta think anyone openly detested by a significant section won’t get voted into the board. The problem seemingly solves itself.
We're both Americans, we know better.
Some people will, in fact, vote for a candidate specifically because it will offend those who detest that candidate.
@Tef (and to a lesser extent @minor incident ), considering the frightening demonstration of a complete failure of character judgement and vetting (over the objections of another Governance member), what actions will you take or commitments will you make to ensure that individuals with such similar utter contempt for an open, democratic, and transparent process (to the point that they actively encourage the suicide of other users for disagreeing with them) do not get anywhere near the levers of power at CoRe?
Further, you claim to want transparency, but there was no indication that Oghulk/Gereg was ever officially assigned to Governance, the last post from anyone involved in transition in the Coin Return Governance Decisions thread was with regards to zagdrob stepping down on February 9th, while further indicating that Chanus and zerzhul had been elevated.
What was the exact process by which Oghulk/Gereg appointed to Governance, and when, precisely, were you intending to inform the community as a whole of this change in the designated official channels for such information to be disseminated?
In light of this person being slipped in effectively under cover of darkness, and the amount of vitriol spewed in their official, professional capacity as a member of Governance, it behooves you, if you claim to want transparency and openness, to expose how this person ended up anywhere near CoRe's transition team.
@Tef (and to a lesser extent @minor incident ), considering the frightening demonstration of a complete failure of character judgement and vetting (over the objections of another Governance member), what actions will you take or commitments will you make to ensure that individuals with such similar utter contempt for an open, democratic, and transparent process (to the point that they actively encourage the suicide of other users for disagreeing with them) do not get anywhere near the levers of power at CoRe?
Further, you claim to want transparency, but there was no indication that Oghulk/Gereg was ever officially assigned to Governance, the last post from anyone involved in transition in the Coin Return Governance Decisions thread was with regards to zagdrob stepping down on February 9th, while further indicating that Chanus and zerzhul had been elevated.
What was the exact process by which Oghulk/Gereg appointed to Governance, and when, precisely, were you intending to inform the community as a whole of this change in the designated official channels for such information to be disseminated?
In light of this person being slipped in effectively under cover of darkness, and the amount of vitriol spewed in their official, professional capacity as a member of Governance, it behooves you, if you claim to want transparency and openness, to expose how this person ended up anywhere near CoRe's transition team.
I'm sorry, you seem to have missed the "/s" tag at the end of this post of mine, because that is actually a fucking stupid and completely impractical idea.
I hope this clears up any confusion in that regard. Apologies to the thread.
Starting to get the vibe that some of yalls issues with how the transition have been going are that you havent actually been paying attention to whats actually been happening
@amateurhour is one of the kindest people. A true big heart who wants to make the world a little better where he can. Even though he is southern, and we don't hold it against him, he does more for people on an individual level than most people I know. He is straight forward when it comes to answers his thoughts. But is never doing a hot take but instead makes sure to think through things that are important. Also importantly willing to consider and sometimes even change his mind. He accepts people where they are, not looking for purity. A calm voice for the board.
@kime is a calm cool dude. We don't agree on everything but we agree on the major points of things. Always willing to discuss. Willing to listen. Also willing to approach an irrational argument with rationality. This I think is a good sign of a person. Also always vote Kime first. If you don't, he will win phalla.
@Infidel is one of my favorite people. Absolute mench. As for the board his experiences and willing to go in depth on questions around them I think will be a huge help to everyone on the board.
@ahava is one of the kindest people. She is there to remind you when you forget the forgotten. She has experiences that I think bring a lot to this community's leadership. She will be swift and protective of a mother bear as you can get for those on the board most marginalized. She also brings in the perspective of someone who in real life has both pushed back, pushed through, and continues to work with being a marginalized minority. And she is just the sweetest person too.
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DabbleIt has been a doozy of a dayRegistered Userregular
Any other things aside and only speaking specifically of this one point
Holding gerrgs behavior last night against anyone but gereg, is just silly business.
The mere fact that you thought putting your name forward for consideration demonstrates that you are incapable of putting the harmony of the community over your own self-regard.
If a person causes this amount of agitation, for want of a better term, the idea that they would pursue this, if they in any way claim to want what is best for the community, is quite telling.
There is no one we need that desperately for the "board of directors" on a forum.
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SolyspPreviously Kayne Red RobeRegistered Userregular
(I've seen some more serious questions that I will answer when I'm not procrastinating at work and can give a thorough response).
Favorite faction in SMAC?
Favorite faction in SMAX?
Oh see here I should say something safe like the UN Peacekeeping Forces but it's the Human Hive because I love industry and not taking inefficiency penalties.
I think most of the SMAX factions dilute the story but of them I think the Nautilus Pirates add the most unique new play style.
Fuck yeah I love the Pirates, they put a lot of pressure on the start of the game and racing everyone else but I love how much territory they can claim early on.
Human Hive sounds like some nerve stapling shit and I need to know that you would not permit any nerve stapling if you were on the board.
Nerve stapling like all disciplinary actions will of course be the purview of the Moderation team assuming the ban on atrocities is removed by the relevant Key Document.
(And that's probably enough silly joke posting on the subject for now. I promise I'm keeping track of other questions to answer this evening after work and kid bedtime).
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
If you want a fair, impartial, utterly pleasant human being who will absolutely impart no agenda, AmateurHour is who you want and whom I will be voting for
That’s my endorsement
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DemonStaceyTTODewback's DaughterIn love with the TaySwayRegistered Userregular
AH, Kime and Raijin are currently on my shortlist of people that i have interacted with enough over the years to have my votes. I know how they communicate and they have never given me reasons to think they would not be good for this role.
I also think that they cover a good spread of presence in different sections of the board which is VERY important imo.
Kime with a lot of very thoughtful answers in this thread already gets bonus points.
Im still going to be reading through here for a bit for the others. I recognize some names more than others but dont feel like i know them well enough to make a big decision like this yet. But I will be following along closely with what everyone is saying (candidates and normal posters).
Of the people up for election, tynic was the one who got my vote the easiest, though it almost feels mean to do this to her.
Raijin was similarly an easy vote, dude just gives all the time and it feels wrong to ask him to give some more but if he’s willing to do so I think we’re better off for it.
Most of my interactions with kime are from my phalla-playing days, and while that should be disqualifying given what kime is over there, I’ve always enjoyed my interactions with him and he seems like a solid choice.
Solysp (sorry you’ll still be Kayne to me) has always seemed like a good choice, and while most of my other votes are up in the air, he’s near the top of that list. Richy and Tef, based on their answers here, are similarly high up. Fishman as well, but I assume he’s sleeping right now so I’ll give him time.
Tef (and to a lesser extent "minor incident" ), considering the frightening demonstration of a complete failure of character judgement and vetting (over the objections of another Governance member), what actions will you take or commitments will you make to ensure that individuals with such similar utter contempt for an open, democratic, and transparent process (to the point that they actively encourage the suicide of other users for disagreeing with them) do not get anywhere near the levers of power at CoRe?
Further, you claim to want transparency, but there was no indication that Oghulk/Gereg was ever officially assigned to Governance, the last post from anyone involved in transition in the Coin Return Governance Decisions thread was with regards to zagdrob stepping down on February 9th, while further indicating that Chanus and zerzhul had been elevated.
What was the exact process by which Oghulk/Gereg appointed to Governance, and when, precisely, were you intending to inform the community as a whole of this change in the designated official channels for such information to be disseminated?
In light of this person being slipped in effectively under cover of darkness, and the amount of vitriol spewed in their official, professional capacity as a member of Governance, it behooves you, if you claim to want transparency and openness, to expose how this person ended up anywhere near CoRe's transition team.
I'm not sure if you've ever been a hiring manager, or had to hire people into an organisation in a volunteer capacity, but expecting someone to know that someone is going to have a meltdown at some point, is ridiculous. We didn't believe conducting a psychometric profile on all potential hires would be scope, and I was not prepared to request the TT spend the thousands of dollars to do so from CoRe funds
I thank you for your clarification on where it was announced, I did in fact miss it initially and apologize for my errors there; they were unfounded.
I have been a hiring manager, and have made bad hires for one reason or another, and part of the aftermath of dealing with a bad hire is identifying flaws in your hiring process; how someone made it past your initial screenings such that you don't have a repeat. So I ask again: What, if any actions will you make to ensure that someone with such bare and open contempt does not get anywhere near the levers of power at CoRe?
Further, in this specific case, said individual had multiple bans for poor behavior, and routinely would insult large swathes of the community, but both you and minor incident have indicated that Oghulk/Gereg's professional experience was valuable and welcome. Did you, at that time of bringing him on board, feel that someone's professional life and experience is more important when deciding someone for a community role than their actions within that community? Do you still hold that view? If not, what changes would you make now?
Any other things aside and only speaking specifically of this one point
Holding gerrgs behavior last night against anyone but gereg, is just silly business.
I didn't know who gereg was before yesterday and if I had I would have had reservations about them being on the governance committee, he's shown bad judgment in the past, but yeah this
the dude had extensive experience in governmental planning and execution and was a longstanding member of the community, bringing him on to help with backend planning makes total sense
I don't want to be the kind of person who uses the word 'histrionics' but that is exactly what is happening here. some folks seem to want to treat a single emotional meltdown - which was swiftly dealt with - exactly the same as months and years of abuse of power that was actively endorsed by those in power
The mere fact that you thought putting your name forward for consideration demonstrates that you are incapable of putting the harmony of the community over your own self-regard.
If a person causes this amount of agitation, for want of a better term, the idea that they would pursue this, if they in any way claim to want what is best for the community, is quite telling.
There is no one we need that desperately for the "board of directors" on a forum.
Lots of things can cause a lot of agitation. A huge amount of complaints is not a sign that anything is actually wrong.
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The voting population here is quite a bit smaller and actually helps in the case a “significant section” strongly oppose a candidate.
I actually agree. I think it's important for El Jeffe to be in the running as a test balloon, a canary in the coal mine, for me to see and know if Coin Return is worth participating in. I understand why people disagree and I don't think they're necessarily wrong, but I think it's helpful to know!
I appreciate those who brought up their concerns about Tav and Kelor even though I do not agree. I don't really think much more discussion needs to be had there; again, people have the information now to decide what they think about it.
If there are other issues people want to bring up about candidates which have not been mentioned, I think that would be more productive than a back-and-forth about the ones already brought.
No other TT or governance team members are running unless I'm having a brain fart, so I think further conversation about the woes of two teams which are deliberately abdicating their authority once the lights go on are somewhat irrelevant. All their work is getting ratified by the community so even if you think they are just the worst people ever, I don't really see that it matters because those teams are getting dissolved and all their output is subject to our approval.
Sounds like a good time to bring that up then instead of doing this whole, "We all know who I'm talking about!" dance.
Forum's going away, Shryke, we're moving to the new one, if you think someone here supports stalking you should maybe light 'em up. It's now or never.
What are you most excited for about moving to a community lead model vs what we have had in the recent past?
Yeah, this is the place to lay all your cards out if you have any. Like, there's no going back from this vote.
Also it's not FPTP and/or electoral college - it's a much better voting system, used by civilised nations around the world, and also New Zealand.
So, if Jeffe is such a widely detested figure, it's massively unlikely they'd be elected. And if they are, then people are probably gonna have to reevaluate just how wide the consensus is about their grievances.
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I already did. Like a page or two ago. I guess you missed it or something.
I remember people disagreeing with calling the incident stalking. Not that they thought stalking was fine. The person who did it got banned and everybody approved of the ban they just didn't like how the actions were characterized, nobody said it was fine to do.
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Yeah, these are my initial-gut-reaction selections, personally.
Definitely people I trust to look at things on the forums as people talking to one another, rather than posting comments on the internet.
I'm concerned that Ahava's conflict aversion is a mismatch for leadership.
Inquistor I only know as the guy who posted multiple times at length about how certain posters should just be ignored.
Fuck yeah I love the Pirates, they put a lot of pressure on the start of the game and racing everyone else but I love how much territory they can claim early on.
Human Hive sounds like some nerve stapling shit and I need to know that you would not permit any nerve stapling if you were on the board.
Yeah and that was discussed for ages when it was new and relevant. When people have done shit it gets talked about. If you have anything thats relevant now and not nearly a year old go nuts the floor is yours, who else has some majorly disquialifing history
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Arguments that he didn't want access, but had access thrust upon him by the administration, fail to persuade in the face of his failure to make his access transparent, and for his deliberate use of it. He at no point came forward to clarify the unusual scope of his permissions during a time when he was visually indistinguishable from any non-mod user.
It is impossible to believe that he did not understand the importance of this issue to the community. These forums had a notorious series of blow-ups where ElJeffe's ambiguous status was a key point of contention. At a certain point in that process it was claimed (I think by Geebs) that demodding ElJeffe was simply impossible due to a bug in the Vanilla implementation. In retrospect I can only regard that as a clear lie.
When the truth of ElJeffe's access recently became known through gossip channels (by this I mainly mean Discord), the transition team faced pressure to address the matter. They told him as much. ElJeffe took this opportunity to take control of the narrative and depict the TT's communication to him as blackmail. This is, in my view, a patently absurd accusation and an obvious attempt to shift blame and reverse victim and offender.
These are just the events of the last few weeks. ElJeffe had a long history as a moderator before that. He presided over a time when DnD became a viper pit of bullying, condescension, and superciliousness.
Frankly ElJeffe I think you should remove yourself from consideration for a board seat. The mere fact that you thought putting your name forward for consideration demonstrates that you are incapable of putting the harmony of the community over your own self-regard.
For my part, the people I'll be voting for are:
Tynic
Fishman
DrZiplock
Raijin
and prooobably Spono
like others have said, this isn't to the exclusion of anyone else (with one obvious exception) but just that I have a clear image of these five as people who are level-headed, intelligent, well spoken, and (while this shouldn't matter, it does) extremely uninterested in drama, beefs, or grudges. I can't think of any negative interactions I've ever seen with any of them, directly or indirectly (other than Raijin's absolutely unforgivable movie opinions), and they all strike me as generally measured, thoughtful people. basically, I trust them to approach serious subjects seriously while still remaining a regular part of the community and not let the title go to their heads
also I don't know exactly how long they've all been here but I know it's a real damn long time and I trust them to stick around even if the going gets tough
if any of them doesn't make it to the board I would be more than happy to vote for all of them to be mods, semi mods, demi mods, super mods, super models, or whatever other role we end up needing. they're all good people through and through
edit: I also want to say, I don't recall having interacted with kime in the past but they've had some very solid answers to questions in this thread and seem to align with what I think the new forums should look like going forward, so I'd have no problem with them as well
I'm going to be honest with you, I haven't been on the desktop site in a decade
I don't even know if I still have a signature.
Further, you claim to want transparency, but there was no indication that Oghulk/Gereg was ever officially assigned to Governance, the last post from anyone involved in transition in the Coin Return Governance Decisions thread was with regards to zagdrob stepping down on February 9th, while further indicating that Chanus and zerzhul had been elevated.
What was the exact process by which Oghulk/Gereg appointed to Governance, and when, precisely, were you intending to inform the community as a whole of this change in the designated official channels for such information to be disseminated?
In light of this person being slipped in effectively under cover of darkness, and the amount of vitriol spewed in their official, professional capacity as a member of Governance, it behooves you, if you claim to want transparency and openness, to expose how this person ended up anywhere near CoRe's transition team.
Same.
You do, and it's honestly pretty fabulous.
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I disagree, and because it got bottom-posted on the last page:
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/46976324/#Comment_46976324
The post explaining that was earlier in the same thread
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this is a chance for Hahns to do something hilarious
I'm sorry, you seem to have missed the "/s" tag at the end of this post of mine, because that is actually a fucking stupid and completely impractical idea.
I hope this clears up any confusion in that regard. Apologies to the thread.
@amateurhour is one of the kindest people. A true big heart who wants to make the world a little better where he can. Even though he is southern, and we don't hold it against him, he does more for people on an individual level than most people I know. He is straight forward when it comes to answers his thoughts. But is never doing a hot take but instead makes sure to think through things that are important. Also importantly willing to consider and sometimes even change his mind. He accepts people where they are, not looking for purity. A calm voice for the board.
@kime is a calm cool dude. We don't agree on everything but we agree on the major points of things. Always willing to discuss. Willing to listen. Also willing to approach an irrational argument with rationality. This I think is a good sign of a person. Also always vote Kime first. If you don't, he will win phalla.
@Infidel is one of my favorite people. Absolute mench. As for the board his experiences and willing to go in depth on questions around them I think will be a huge help to everyone on the board.
@ahava is one of the kindest people. She is there to remind you when you forget the forgotten. She has experiences that I think bring a lot to this community's leadership. She will be swift and protective of a mother bear as you can get for those on the board most marginalized. She also brings in the perspective of someone who in real life has both pushed back, pushed through, and continues to work with being a marginalized minority. And she is just the sweetest person too.
Holding gerrgs behavior last night against anyone but gereg, is just silly business.
If a person causes this amount of agitation, for want of a better term, the idea that they would pursue this, if they in any way claim to want what is best for the community, is quite telling.
There is no one we need that desperately for the "board of directors" on a forum.
Nerve stapling like all disciplinary actions will of course be the purview of the Moderation team assuming the ban on atrocities is removed by the relevant Key Document.
(And that's probably enough silly joke posting on the subject for now. I promise I'm keeping track of other questions to answer this evening after work and kid bedtime).
That’s my endorsement
I also think that they cover a good spread of presence in different sections of the board which is VERY important imo.
Kime with a lot of very thoughtful answers in this thread already gets bonus points.
Im still going to be reading through here for a bit for the others. I recognize some names more than others but dont feel like i know them well enough to make a big decision like this yet. But I will be following along closely with what everyone is saying (candidates and normal posters).
Raijin was similarly an easy vote, dude just gives all the time and it feels wrong to ask him to give some more but if he’s willing to do so I think we’re better off for it.
Most of my interactions with kime are from my phalla-playing days, and while that should be disqualifying given what kime is over there, I’ve always enjoyed my interactions with him and he seems like a solid choice.
Solysp (sorry you’ll still be Kayne to me) has always seemed like a good choice, and while most of my other votes are up in the air, he’s near the top of that list. Richy and Tef, based on their answers here, are similarly high up. Fishman as well, but I assume he’s sleeping right now so I’ll give him time.
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I thank you for your clarification on where it was announced, I did in fact miss it initially and apologize for my errors there; they were unfounded.
I have been a hiring manager, and have made bad hires for one reason or another, and part of the aftermath of dealing with a bad hire is identifying flaws in your hiring process; how someone made it past your initial screenings such that you don't have a repeat. So I ask again: What, if any actions will you make to ensure that someone with such bare and open contempt does not get anywhere near the levers of power at CoRe?
Further, in this specific case, said individual had multiple bans for poor behavior, and routinely would insult large swathes of the community, but both you and minor incident have indicated that Oghulk/Gereg's professional experience was valuable and welcome. Did you, at that time of bringing him on board, feel that someone's professional life and experience is more important when deciding someone for a community role than their actions within that community? Do you still hold that view? If not, what changes would you make now?
I didn't know who gereg was before yesterday and if I had I would have had reservations about them being on the governance committee, he's shown bad judgment in the past, but yeah this
the dude had extensive experience in governmental planning and execution and was a longstanding member of the community, bringing him on to help with backend planning makes total sense
I don't want to be the kind of person who uses the word 'histrionics' but that is exactly what is happening here. some folks seem to want to treat a single emotional meltdown - which was swiftly dealt with - exactly the same as months and years of abuse of power that was actively endorsed by those in power
Lots of things can cause a lot of agitation. A huge amount of complaints is not a sign that anything is actually wrong.