Ugh. What part of 'private citizen' does he not get?
Realistically? "I don't recall" "I don't remember" "I'm not sure" for days about anything.
"I'm pretty sure you do remember, and remind you that you are under oath" would take care of that in a hell of a hurry.
Rove has been breaking the law since well before Bush was elected. Why would he start being afraid of the repercussions now, especially if Bush conveniently destroyed all the evidence against him ahead of time?
Although I will say that Bush trying to still exert EP now is utterly disgusting to me.
The reduced efficiency would be harmful but right now free trade is fucking Americans pretty bad. .
No it really isn't. It's fucking some Americans; America as a whole has benefited and continues to benefit from free trade.
The beleaguered manufacturing sector is a prime example of where America is losing out though free trade. The massive trade deficit partially resulting from that is just another. Sending stimulus money to American construction companies is about of the smartest things the government can do right now.
Is it okay if we call the people who will answer the call the Obama Lantern Corps? Mainly because I want a power ring emblazoned with the Obama logo. :P
Is it okay if we call the people who will answer the call the Obama Lantern Corps? Mainly because I want a power ring emblazoned with the Obama logo. :P
The rings would have to be blue. There was one poster on here who had an Obama Blue Lantern sig - can't remember who, though.
The purpose of the stimulus is to create increased production and employment in the United States. Steel, for example, bought in Canada will have a lesser beneficial effect even if the cost is reduced.
On the other hand:
The steel is to be used in building bridges, tunnels, railways, etc. etc. - by buying more expensive American steel, the government will be able to build fewer bridges, tunnels, railways with the same ammount of money. Result is less economic benefits due to less new/upgraded infrastructure, and fewer Americans employed building said infrastructure.
Is it okay if we call the people who will answer the call the Obama Lantern Corps? Mainly because I want a power ring emblazoned with the Obama logo. :P
The rings would have to be blue. There was one poster on here who had an Obama Blue Lantern sig - can't remember who, though.
The purpose of the stimulus is to create increased production and employment in the United States. Steel, for example, bought in Canada will have a lesser beneficial effect even if the cost is reduced.
On the other hand:
The steel is to be used in building bridges, tunnels, railways, etc. etc. - by buying more expensive American steel, the government will be able to build fewer bridges, tunnels, railways with the same ammount of money. Result is less economic benefits due to less new/upgraded infrastructure, and fewer Americans employed building said infrastructure.
Yes but there's a multiplicative effect. If I have 100 bucks and spend 10 dollars for a Canadian hoozie America gets the benefit from 10 hoozies. If I spend 12.5 for an American hoozie America gets the advantage of 8 hoozies, plus the benefits from mining/refining/manufacturing/whatever 8 hoozies.
I can actually see Bush's point here (that if conversations between aides are confidential during the presidency, they should stay so after it), but I think the real question would be can you use executive privilege on misconduct. Precident says no, so all you could refuse to testify on would be advice given relating to executive matters, anything else like discussing firing attorneys for political reasons, would be fair game. Unless you want to bring up a legal argument for misconduct being standard executive operations.
Of course by not even bothering to show up, he's in contempt of Congress. He has to show up to exert a privilege as I understand the law. Then he claims it, they litigate it and we learn if previous Presidents in fact can exert privilege on anything and everything.
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I can actually see Bush's point here (that if conversations between aides are confidential during the presidency, they should stay so after it), but I think the real question would be can you use executive privilege on misconduct. Precident says no, so all you could refuse to testify on would be advice given relating to executive matters, anything else like discussing firing attorneys for political reasons, would be fair game. Unless you want to bring up a legal argument for misconduct being standard executive operations.
Of course by not even bothering to show up, he's in contempt of Congress. He has to show up to exert a privilege as I understand the law. Then he claims it, they litigate it and we learn if previous Presidents in fact can exert privilege on anything and everything.
And unlike before there's an AG who might actually hold him to it?
I can actually see Bush's point here (that if conversations between aides are confidential during the presidency, they should stay so after it), but I think the real question would be can you use executive privilege on misconduct. Precident says no, so all you could refuse to testify on would be advice given relating to executive matters, anything else like discussing firing attorneys for political reasons, would be fair game. Unless you want to bring up a legal argument for misconduct being standard executive operations.
Of course by not even bothering to show up, he's in contempt of Congress. He has to show up to exert a privilege as I understand the law. Then he claims it, they litigate it and we learn if previous Presidents in fact can exert privilege on anything and everything.
And unlike before there's an AG who might actually hold him to it?
Well, there will be the same day he has to show up by. Presumably.
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Of course by not even bothering to show up, he's in contempt of Congress. He has to show up to exert a privilege as I understand the law. Then he claims it, they litigate it and we learn if previous Presidents in fact can exert privilege on anything and everything.
As the article states, they've been using an interpretation of executive privilege from Bush's AG that states it's complete immunity, which includes immunity to contempt charges for now showing up, and the ability to claim executive privilege remotely.
Until Obama's AG's office puts out an opinion that disagrees (it's due in a few weeks apparently), they're covered from having to even set foot in congress.
Of course by not even bothering to show up, he's in contempt of Congress. He has to show up to exert a privilege as I understand the law. Then he claims it, they litigate it and we learn if previous Presidents in fact can exert privilege on anything and everything.
As the article states, they've been using an interpretation of executive privilege from Bush's AG that states it's complete immunity, which includes immunity to contempt charges for now showing up, and the ability to claim executive privilege remotely.
Until Obama's AG's office puts out an opinion that disagrees (it's due in a few weeks apparently), they're covered from having to even set foot in congress.
As with most things from the Bush Justice Department, they're full of shit.
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While I think the bill Obama recently signed into law is 110% a good move... what happened to the promise of putting bills up for 5 days of comments before signing ?
Granted, I would expect that he would expect 100% positive comments on it.. but isn't that missing the point?
While I think the bill Obama recently signed into law is 110% a good move... what happened to the promise of putting bills up for 5 days of comments before signing ?
Granted, I would expect that he would expect 100% positive comments on it.. but isn't that missing the point?
My guess is that that isn't quite doable just yet? Maybe they need to get stuff set up to make the site crash horribly and all that good stuff? I dunno. I'd assume there is a good reason this bill didn't get that treatment, as it would be a stupid promise to break altogether.
While I think the bill Obama recently signed into law is 110% a good move... what happened to the promise of putting bills up for 5 days of comments before signing ?
Granted, I would expect that he would expect 100% positive comments on it.. but isn't that missing the point?
Five days after they've been passed by the Senate and sent to his desk. Not sure what happened with the Ledbetter Act, though. Maybe it didn't change much since it was first proposed?
Hahaha, they really are letting Limbaugh be the party leader.
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The amount of Republicans rallying to Limbaugh all of a sudden makes me wonder about this whole identity crises thing they're having. It's like my worse fears of them considering him a leader are about to come true.
Letting a blowhard like Limbaugh cow you into submission is extra-mavericky.
He's trying to save face and become a party elder. Which sucks, because he's dead politically and should just go buck wild with his opinions ala Goldwater. Tell everyone where, how, and why they should fuck themselves &c.
Letting a blowhard like Limbaugh cow you into submission is extra-mavericky.
He's trying to save face and become a party elder. Which sucks, because he's dead politically and should just go buck wild with his opinions ala Goldwater. Tell everyone where, how, and why they should fuck themselves &c.
too bad he's a douche of the highest order and would never do such a thing.
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Letting a blowhard like Limbaugh cow you into submission is extra-mavericky.
He's trying to save face and become a party elder. Which sucks, because he's dead politically and should just go buck wild with his opinions ala Goldwater. Tell everyone where, how, and why they should fuck themselves &c.
too bad he's a douche of the highest order and would never do such a thing.
Letting a blowhard like Limbaugh cow you into submission is extra-mavericky.
He's trying to save face and become a party elder. Which sucks, because he's dead politically and should just go buck wild with his opinions ala Goldwater. Tell everyone where, how, and why they should fuck themselves &c.
too bad he's a douche of the highest order and would never do such a thing.
And yet, he'd get more camera time.
Guys, it may be time to consider that McCain really did believe the shit he was spouting during the campaign. More than a few people warned us that McMaverick was just a front.
Letting a blowhard like Limbaugh cow you into submission is extra-mavericky.
He's trying to save face and become a party elder. Which sucks, because he's dead politically and should just go buck wild with his opinions ala Goldwater. Tell everyone where, how, and why they should fuck themselves &c.
too bad he's a douche of the highest order and would never do such a thing.
And yet, he'd get more camera time.
That's the only rational explanation if it ever happens. The only thing that man cares about is attention. He's like that girl that makes out with other chicks at bars just so the guys look at her.
Letting a blowhard like Limbaugh cow you into submission is extra-mavericky.
He's trying to save face and become a party elder. Which sucks, because he's dead politically and should just go buck wild with his opinions ala Goldwater. Tell everyone where, how, and why they should fuck themselves &c.
too bad he's a douche of the highest order and would never do such a thing.
And yet, he'd get more camera time.
That's the only rational explanation if it ever happens. The only thing that man cares about is attention. He's like that girl that makes out with other chicks at bars just so the guys look at her.
It's interesting that that analogy was the first that came to you when thinking about McCain.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they just decided to scrap it after the change.gov open questions thing.
Thing is, once you're actually President, there's this rule against some forms of what is essentially product placement, for the same reason Presidential investments have to go into a blind trust.
Open For Questions used a program called Google Moderator, and change.gov said as much.
Can't do that once you're sworn in.
I'm assuming Obama's running into the same basic problem with this- there are a lot of message board programs out there, but how many usable ones aren't made by publicly-traded companies?
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Letting a blowhard like Limbaugh cow you into submission is extra-mavericky.
He's trying to save face and become a party elder. Which sucks, because he's dead politically and should just go buck wild with his opinions ala Goldwater. Tell everyone where, how, and why they should fuck themselves &c.
too bad he's a douche of the highest order and would never do such a thing.
And yet, he'd get more camera time.
That's the only rational explanation if it ever happens. The only thing that man cares about is attention. He's like that girl that makes out with other chicks at bars just so the guys look at her.
It's interesting that that analogy was the first that came to you when thinking about McCain.
I figured it was so completely removed from him that it would work.
I wouldn't be surprised if they just decided to scrap it after the change.gov open questions thing.
Thing is, once you're actually President, there's this rule against some forms of what is essentially product placement, for the same reason Presidential investments have to go into a blind trust.
Open For Questions used a program called Google Moderator, and change.gov said as much.
Can't do that once you're sworn in.
I'm assuming Obama's running into the same basic problem with this- there are a lot of message board programs out there, but how many usable ones aren't made by publicly-traded companies?
There's got to be something out there that's similar and open source. Or if it really came to it they could just have a link to the bill as a .pdf with an e-mail link for comments.
I wonder how much stimulative effect it would have for the entire Federal bureaucracy to get their websites remade. More than a few of them could certainly use it to help navigate their byzantine pages.
This is pathetic. Are the Republicans really that beholden to some pill-popping old prick with a talk show?
Did these people really run the country for damn near three decades? You think they'd have some pride, or hell, even some arrogant assholishness. This is just sad.
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Couldn't Obama just hire some dude to convert a random open-source message board program into something awesome, and then use that?
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I wouldn't be surprised if they just decided to scrap it after the change.gov open questions thing.
this bill doesnt make weed legal!!!
What are you saying that marijuana legalization isn't really the #1 issue in America?
I'd say decriminalization of it should be a huge bullet point under the "war on crime" section of the agenda, within the top 5. Not something we need to worry about now, but it's a legitimate problem in America.
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Rove has been breaking the law since well before Bush was elected. Why would he start being afraid of the repercussions now, especially if Bush conveniently destroyed all the evidence against him ahead of time?
Although I will say that Bush trying to still exert EP now is utterly disgusting to me.
YOU'RE NOT IN CHARGE ANYMORE. YOU NEVER WILL BE.
The beleaguered manufacturing sector is a prime example of where America is losing out though free trade. The massive trade deficit partially resulting from that is just another. Sending stimulus money to American construction companies is about of the smartest things the government can do right now.
Awesome. Another step towards universal coverage!
"America as a whole" has only benefited if you ignore the increased disparities between the rich and poor and the massive wealth gaps.
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Is it okay if we call the people who will answer the call the Obama Lantern Corps? Mainly because I want a power ring emblazoned with the Obama logo. :P
The rings would have to be blue. There was one poster on here who had an Obama Blue Lantern sig - can't remember who, though.
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And the pushback begins...
The steel is to be used in building bridges, tunnels, railways, etc. etc. - by buying more expensive American steel, the government will be able to build fewer bridges, tunnels, railways with the same ammount of money. Result is less economic benefits due to less new/upgraded infrastructure, and fewer Americans employed building said infrastructure.
Man, if the Obama machine and it's affiliates stay this active and on message for the next 4 years, the Republicans are going to be hosed.
Yes but there's a multiplicative effect. If I have 100 bucks and spend 10 dollars for a Canadian hoozie America gets the benefit from 10 hoozies. If I spend 12.5 for an American hoozie America gets the advantage of 8 hoozies, plus the benefits from mining/refining/manufacturing/whatever 8 hoozies.
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Of course by not even bothering to show up, he's in contempt of Congress. He has to show up to exert a privilege as I understand the law. Then he claims it, they litigate it and we learn if previous Presidents in fact can exert privilege on anything and everything.
And unlike before there's an AG who might actually hold him to it?
Well, there will be the same day he has to show up by. Presumably.
As the article states, they've been using an interpretation of executive privilege from Bush's AG that states it's complete immunity, which includes immunity to contempt charges for now showing up, and the ability to claim executive privilege remotely.
Until Obama's AG's office puts out an opinion that disagrees (it's due in a few weeks apparently), they're covered from having to even set foot in congress.
As with most things from the Bush Justice Department, they're full of shit.
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How much of that is due to trade and how much is due to robots gaining a hold over mankind?
Granted, I would expect that he would expect 100% positive comments on it.. but isn't that missing the point?
Librarians harbor a terrible secret. Find it.
My guess is that that isn't quite doable just yet? Maybe they need to get stuff set up to make the site crash horribly and all that good stuff? I dunno. I'd assume there is a good reason this bill didn't get that treatment, as it would be a stupid promise to break altogether.
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Five days after they've been passed by the Senate and sent to his desk. Not sure what happened with the Ledbetter Act, though. Maybe it didn't change much since it was first proposed?
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this bill doesnt make weed legal!!!
Letting a blowhard like Limbaugh cow you into submission is extra-mavericky.
He's trying to save face and become a party elder. Which sucks, because he's dead politically and should just go buck wild with his opinions ala Goldwater. Tell everyone where, how, and why they should fuck themselves &c.
too bad he's a douche of the highest order and would never do such a thing.
And yet, he'd get more camera time.
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Guys, it may be time to consider that McCain really did believe the shit he was spouting during the campaign. More than a few people warned us that McMaverick was just a front.
That's the only rational explanation if it ever happens. The only thing that man cares about is attention. He's like that girl that makes out with other chicks at bars just so the guys look at her.
It's interesting that that analogy was the first that came to you when thinking about McCain.
Open For Questions used a program called Google Moderator, and change.gov said as much.
Can't do that once you're sworn in.
I'm assuming Obama's running into the same basic problem with this- there are a lot of message board programs out there, but how many usable ones aren't made by publicly-traded companies?
I figured it was so completely removed from him that it would work.
What are you saying that marijuana legalization isn't really the #1 issue in America?
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On the internet. Right up there with the gold blimp standard.
There's got to be something out there that's similar and open source. Or if it really came to it they could just have a link to the bill as a .pdf with an e-mail link for comments.
I wonder how much stimulative effect it would have for the entire Federal bureaucracy to get their websites remade. More than a few of them could certainly use it to help navigate their byzantine pages.
Did these people really run the country for damn near three decades? You think they'd have some pride, or hell, even some arrogant assholishness. This is just sad.
I'd say decriminalization of it should be a huge bullet point under the "war on crime" section of the agenda, within the top 5. Not something we need to worry about now, but it's a legitimate problem in America.