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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Kadith wrote: »
    Judkins said that after the finger test, a lead cybertruck engineer at Tesla said he did the video wrong.

    The engineer told him the frunk increases in pressure every single time it closes and detects resistance, Judkins said. It’s going to assume you want to close the frunk and maybe something like a bag is getting in the way, which would make it close harder.

    “Using this information, that means it closed on my finger harder than my hand and way harder than my arm,” the YouTuber wrote.

    lol, the most engineer way to solve a "problem"

    Who in the unholy hell would ever design that kind of mechanism to increase in strength when it encounters resistance? You know how I like my bags which might contain highly valuable objects? NOT CRUSHED.

    a guillotine for the modren era.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    What a seriously US-like overdraft fee amount

    Well yes because those fees have been illegal for a couple of decades in the UK. I do not care to research whether that guy subsequently changed his name to Mr Suck It, Fascists

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular

    1. @Tesla is a publicly traded company, not @elonmusk's personal piggybank

    But Musk has constructed a board of directors, including his brother and many of his closest friends, who are willing to do whatever he wants

    And now Musk is using X to convince shareholders to rubberstamp a massive payday that a Delaware judges has already ruled is excessive

    🧵

    2. A judge found @Tesla's board breached its fiduciary duty to shareholders in 2018 by granting Musk excessive compensation & failing to be transparent

    In response, the board is asking shareholders to grant Musk the EXACT SAME PAY PACKAGE RETROACTIVELY
    3. The board didn't negotiate with Musk in 2018. Musk proposed the amount and structure of his pay, and the board approved it.

    The "independent board" included longtime pals, business partners, and vacation buddies.

    Another key figure was Tesla General Counsel Todd Maron, "Musk’s former divorce attorney… whose admiration for Musk moved him to tears during his deposition."

    4. Now, the Tesla board has created a dedicated website to encourage shareholders to give Musk $50 billion for work he's already done.

    Originally, the pay package was supposed to incentivize Musk to work hard for the company. This never made much sense since Musk, at the time, already owned more than 20% of the company and was incentivized for Tesla to succeed. Before the 2018 compensation package, every time Tesla's value increased by $50 billion, Musk earned $10 billion.

    6. The 2018 package required Musk to meet ambitious growth and profitability targets. Essentially, Musk was awarded 1% of the company each time the company's value increased by $50 billion up to $650 billion.

    But the company's shares peaked in 2021 and are down nearly 60% from the peak.

    Today the company is worth less than $550 billion. But the board wants to retroactively grant Musk the full value of the pay package anyway.

    7. @Tesla's future prospects are also much less rosy than three years ago. Global demand for electric vehicles is slowing, and Tesla faces increased competition from nearly every global automaker. Tesla's core vehicle lineup is dated. And its one new entrant, the CyberTruck, has been a bust. Plans to build a less expensive model, seen as a key to future growth, were scraped. In the first quarter of 2024, Tesla reported "its first year-over-year decline in quarterly deliveries since 2020."

    @elonmusk's embrace of far-right politics and bigoted conspiracy theories appears to have damaged Tesla's brand. Today, just 31% of people in the United States would consider buying a Tesla, down from 70% in November 2021.

    8. Denholm, the board chair, says Tesla stockholders should give Musk $50 billion so Musk "will continue to be driven to innovate and drive growth at Tesla."

    Musk has already made clear that restoring his $50 billion pay package isn't enough to keep him interested in Tesla. Musk said he is "uncomfortable growing Tesla to be a leader in AI & robotics without having ~25% voting control."Image
    @Tesla 9. To achieve that, the Tesla board and shareholders, after giving Musk $50 billion, would need to provide Musk with another massive stock grant. (Musk would own more of Tesla now but sold a significant portion of his stock to buy Twitter.)
    @Tesla 10. I have a sneaking suspicion that this thread will not go viral on X.

    I wasn’t aware that he’d stocked the board of Tesla full of sycophants; no wonder he’s been become more unhinged lately, he’s effectively been removing any actual stops and people that would force him to reign shit in

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    the way he's tanked Tesla so hard, giving him $50b of Tesla's money is essentially a rugpull

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i bought some puts on tesla that were timed for some day in january this year and it turned out to be the exact day the most recent collapse began.... if I had just made them a few months farther out, i would have had won huge

    his pay getting through the shareholder vote isn't assured which is why the trial was a big deal. like most big companies a huge chunk of Tesla's shareholders are institutional investors who are probably wise to whats going on, which is why he has to panhandle to the bagholders with that embarrassing website

    i think whenever that bubble really pops its going to break apart faster than one of the starships...

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular


    Jingna Zhang has won the copyright protection case in which a painter painted and sold a reproduction of her photograph without her consent

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    luxembourgian roy lichtenstein is ruined

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular


    Jingna Zhang has won the copyright protection case in which a painter painted and sold a reproduction of her photograph without her consent

    I don't know how I feel about this.

    But I definitely don't like her saying "the medium doesn't matter"

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    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Knowing what I know about IP law, I'd say it's a good thing.

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    What's the difference between replicating and using a reference?

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »

    Oh shit, Chiitan’s got a LINE account, should I sign up to get messages from the chaos god of fuck advertising?

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    What's the difference between replicating and using a reference?

    I imagine that depends on what your final result looks like, as with most instances of fair use.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited May 10
    Doodmann wrote: »


    Jingna Zhang has won the copyright protection case in which a painter painted and sold a reproduction of her photograph without her consent

    I don't know how I feel about this.

    But I definitely don't like her saying "the medium doesn't matter"

    I mean, broadly speaking, I think she's right.

    If it was film vs digital, it wouldn't matter. Charcoal vs acrylic wouldn't matter. An MP3 vs a cassette recording wouldn't matter. Live standup vs an animated tv sitcom wouldn't matter.

    If it wasn't such a clear cut case of copying, I don't know how I'd feel about a significant cross-medium case like this. But this one really is an extraordinarily obvious one.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Huh. I naively assumed that "painting an exact replica of an existing photograph" was something Warhol or somebody would have done all the time.

    I don't have any specific examples, just going by vibes and my own weak grasp of art history.

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    Anon the FelonAnon the Felon In bat country.Registered User regular
    Yeah, it's surprising this hasn't come up before?

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    If the work utilized the new medium in a way that the original could not then there might be an argument but the painting in this case doesn't do anything different.

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    UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Huh. I naively assumed that "painting an exact replica of an existing photograph" was something Warhol or somebody would have done all the time.

    I don't have any specific examples, just going by vibes and my own weak grasp of art history.

    There was a case last year where the Warhol estate was successfully sued for copyright infringement in a similar case.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    SirToasty wrote: »
    If the work utilized the new medium in a way that the original could not then there might be an argument but the painting in this case doesn't do anything different.

    Basically, shifting mediums is not, in of itself, transformation as far as fair use goes, which makes sense - converting a recording from CD to MP3 doesn't fundamentally alter the actual recording.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Also, in more thread-relevant news, Jack Dorsey continues his bid to be The Stupidest Goose In Social Media:
    In the interview, Dorsey claimed that Bluesky was “literally repeating all the mistakes” he made while running Twitter. The entire conversation is long and a bit rambly, but Dorsey’s complaints seem to boil down to two issues:

    1. He never intended Bluesky to be an independent company with its own board and stock and other vestiges of a corporate entity (Bluesky spun out of Twitter as a public benefit corporation in 2022.) Instead, his plan was for Twitter to be the first client to take advantage of the open source protocol. Bluesky created.

    2. The fact that Blueksy has some form of content moderation and has occasionally banned users for things like using racial slurs in their usernames.

    “People started seeing Bluesky as something to run to, away from Twitter,” Dorsey said. “It's the thing that's not Twitter, and therefore it's great. And Bluesky saw this exodus of people from Twitter show up, and it was a very, very common crowd. … But little by little, they started asking Jay and the team for moderation tools, and to kick people off. And unfortunately they followed through with it. That was the second moment I thought, uh, nope. This is literally repeating all the mistakes we made as a company.”

    Dorsey also confirmed that he is financially backing Nostr, another decentralized Twitter-like service popular among some crypto enthusiasts and run by an anonymous founder. “I know it's early, and Nostr is weird and hard to use, but if you truly believe in censorship resistance and free speech, you have to use the technologies that actually enable that, and defend your rights,” Dorsey said.

    A lot of this isn’t particularly surprising. If you’ve followed Dorsey’s public comments over the last couple years, he’s repeatedly said that Twitter’s “original sin” was being a company that would be beholden to advertisers and other corporate interests. It’s why he backed Elon Musk’s takeover of the company. (Not coincidentally, Dorsey still has about $1 billion of his personal wealth invested in the company now known as X.) He’s also been very clear that he made many of Twitter’s most consequential moderation decisions reluctantly.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Good to know, thanks

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    neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    What's the difference between replicating and using a reference?

    What matters more is if you have permission to use the reference/photo in your process of making $$$ imo.

    Take your own reference photos. Or buy them. Or transform your work enough that you can't tell what it referenced anymore.

    20 years ago when the digital art community still used forums, people would occasionally get caught doing draw overs of photos and presenting it like their own illustration. Plagiarism.

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    DidgeridooDidgeridoo Flighty Dame Registered User regular
    He’s no longer on BlueSky’s board, which is great news to me!

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    neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    edited May 10
    Also, in more thread-relevant news, Jack Dorsey continues his bid to be The Stupidest Goose In Social Media:
    In the interview, Dorsey claimed that Bluesky was “literally repeating all the mistakes” he made while running Twitter. The entire conversation is long and a bit rambly, but Dorsey’s complaints seem to boil down to two issues:

    1. He never intended Bluesky to be an independent company with its own board and stock and other vestiges of a corporate entity (Bluesky spun out of Twitter as a public benefit corporation in 2022.) Instead, his plan was for Twitter to be the first client to take advantage of the open source protocol. Bluesky created.

    2. The fact that Blueksy has some form of content moderation and has occasionally banned users for things like using racial slurs in their usernames.

    “People started seeing Bluesky as something to run to, away from Twitter,” Dorsey said. “It's the thing that's not Twitter, and therefore it's great. And Bluesky saw this exodus of people from Twitter show up, and it was a very, very common crowd. … But little by little, they started asking Jay and the team for moderation tools, and to kick people off. And unfortunately they followed through with it. That was the second moment I thought, uh, nope. This is literally repeating all the mistakes we made as a company.”

    Dorsey also confirmed that he is financially backing Nostr, another decentralized Twitter-like service popular among some crypto enthusiasts and run by an anonymous founder. “I know it's early, and Nostr is weird and hard to use, but if you truly believe in censorship resistance and free speech, you have to use the technologies that actually enable that, and defend your rights,” Dorsey said.

    A lot of this isn’t particularly surprising. If you’ve followed Dorsey’s public comments over the last couple years, he’s repeatedly said that Twitter’s “original sin” was being a company that would be beholden to advertisers and other corporate interests. It’s why he backed Elon Musk’s takeover of the company. (Not coincidentally, Dorsey still has about $1 billion of his personal wealth invested in the company now known as X.) He’s also been very clear that he made many of Twitter’s most consequential moderation decisions reluctantly.

    Jeeez Jack, you can just use 8chan if you want a safe place to yell racial slurs and plan school shootings.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Damn commoners, asking for moderation so the platform isn't overrun by bigots.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Jack Dorsey's idea of a perfect social media site is social devastation.

    He's gotta get his helicopter dick fix somehow

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Didgeridoo wrote: »
    He’s no longer on BlueSky’s board, which is great news to me!

    this actually resolves the main problem I had with bluesky as a twitter replacement!

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    I feel like that interview was, if anything, an endorsement for BlueSky for anyone who's not a chud.

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    DidgeridooDidgeridoo Flighty Dame Registered User regular
    Didgeridoo wrote: »
    He’s no longer on BlueSky’s board, which is great news to me!

    this actually resolves the main problem I had with bluesky as a twitter replacement!

    To sweeten the deal, the remaining Bluesky admin folks are now publicly dunking on him and his desire to make it an unmoderated nightmare zone, which I am enjoying immensely

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Didgeridoo wrote: »
    Didgeridoo wrote: »
    He’s no longer on BlueSky’s board, which is great news to me!

    this actually resolves the main problem I had with bluesky as a twitter replacement!

    To sweeten the deal, the remaining Bluesky admin folks are now publicly dunking on him and his desire to make it an unmoderated nightmare zone, which I am enjoying immensely

    Yes! Ha ha ha.....yes!

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    I feel like that interview was, if anything, an endorsement for BlueSky for anyone who's not a chud.

    That was the point Onion EIC Ben Collins made:
    The greatest endorsement you guys could’ve gotten is him showing his ass by saying what he said, btw.

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    i logged into bluesky to see how my feed is doing to find out that Tom Nichols from the atlantic is getting yelled at by pixelatedboat of milkshake duck fame

    A+

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Does Bluesky still have the racism slider or did they quietly remove that feature?

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Does Bluesky still have the racism slider or did they quietly remove that feature?

    My understanding is that was a well-intentioned but dumb feature to make "don't show people posting about hate crimes" a filter you could have, similar to not seeing violence or NSFW art, not about protecting the racism itself

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Yeah the feature is still there, but I'd overall consider it a good one

    Abuse/hatred are generally prohibited on Bluesky, you can still report posts, all of that

    But also you can just use the content filtering to automatically hide it from you, or throw it under a spoiler tag (with similar functions for nudity and spam accounts)

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Does Bluesky still have the racism slider or did they quietly remove that feature?

    They have a system which allows you to automatically filter, warn (click through) or do nothing with posts that have various types of content (targeting groups, but also sexual stuff, self harm, people pretending to be other accounts, etc).

    So less dropped feature and probably more fully implemented what it was originally planned to be.

    Maybe now that Jack is gone someone will just go "how about we just remove this shit instead of letting people auto-hide it"?

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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    it seems unprofessional to drag your former place of employment and its userbase, but then, i suppose i'm not an idiot

    also i suppose jack dorsey can say whatever he wants - he's rich and famous enough to be immune from most consequences except for ppl dunking on him on social media

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Weirdly, Jack Dorsey doesn't seem to have a problem with people being banned on twitter for hate speech such as eg: posting videos of Teslas crashing

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Jack's absolutely a recluse with no phone or computer now, living on a remote island, eating seaweed to survive, after we dunked on him here and 10 people laughed at him.

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