EDIT- It also does not melt ice. It raises the freezing point to help prevent it from refreezing.
It does melt ice. Learn chemistry noob.
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No it doesn't. It lowers the freezing point once the ice starts melting - preventing it refreezing.
Ice is solid - salt won't penetrate or do anything to it, it's not energetic enough. All it does is stabilize that thin layer of water as it melts.
Hmmm. I think you may be right if you could somehow isolate pure ice, but in reality, there are small phase fluctuations at the surface of ice, so there is some liquid present, which the salt then mixes with. However, I believe once you get some water mixed with salt surrounding the ice, then there's some stuff with the equilibrium that gets thrown out of whack which causes more ice to melt.
I'll admit that I don't fully understand it, but god damn it, I remember doing this experiment. Take a sheet of ice, put it in a environment slightly below freezing (say -1°C) and then sprinkle salt on it and it will melt.
What was the temperature of the salt when you added it?
I guess the point could be made that if you make all the food in the state taste like bland garbage then people will eat less of it and might not be as obese.
Well if the culinary facts were otherwise, the point could be made that you could let people choose what tradeoff between health and taste they want.
Food bans aren't very practical. If you think health nuts will go to extremes to get their healthy food, just you wait till you try to take away the unhealthy food.
I pay tax on my restaurant dinner, I don't pay tax when I buy apples at the grocer. That's about as much government intrusion into my eating as I'm willing to take. The only thing more unpopular than new taxes are bans, this guy is failing as a politician.
Edit: i'm cool with the FDA making sure I don't eat rat poison, I meant I don't want the other branches of the government banning things arbitrarily.
The reason foods with little or no salt taste bland to you is because you're so used to eating foods with salt in the first place.
For one thing there is absolutely no reason for a salt shaker to be at a table in a restaurant. The sodium from salt is vital for survival, but only like 500 mg a day or so. 1/4 of a teaspoon of salt can potentially serve your entire daily need of sodium.
But yet, the average American consumes a good 2000-3000 even 4000 mg of sodium a fucking day.
That means that every decade the average shithead American consumes a lifetime's worth of salt.
You think that's fucking healthy?
It isn't. And this shit needs to stop, and I support our government moving toward Nutritional Nazism because there's way too many health problems in this country that come from just plain ignorance in people's diets. The old generations are probably beyond help, and will be dead soon anyway, but we can still start fresh with the kids in schools and make sure they are getting good foods in their cafeterias. Nutritional science should be fucking mandatory in schools alongside biology and chemistry and physics and math.
I hope you realize that your tongue's taste reception is not immutable, and that if you consume foods with little salt then overtime you will start to taste foods differently. You will begin to notice flavors your tongue didn't even pick up before. And when you try eating something salty all of the sudden you will really notice the amount of salt you're eating. Sure it sucks at first, but you DO adjust. I've been eating low sodium meals for years now.
You've been conditioned to think foods only taste good if they have salt, but this simply is not true. Foods taste good depending on what you get used to. This is exactly the same reason why some people say foods without sufficient spiciness taste bland and like shit yet other people disagree vehemently and enjoy meals regularly without a hint of spice, because they never eat spicy meals. Same exact shit.
Some people need to watch more Good Eats. Salt isn't just some to make food taste better, it IS what makes food taste better or good period. That's one of its chemical functions.
Tell that to McDonalds.
Yeah... not even close to being relevant or witty. It isn't fairy dust, if it's bad food it's bad food. Plus, the type of salt matters, Iodized salt tastes funky and that's what is used most common. Also the quantity, obviously too much salt will make things taste bad.
Same token, if you hate McDonalds as it is, without salt you'd hate it more.
I was not saying salt makes things taste bad nor am I supporting this loon. That said, it is not the only thing that makes things taste good, especially when there is too much salt (read: McDonalds) on the food. This seemed to be what you were implying, that the only way to make things taste good was salt. As I did not grow up on shitty McDonalds food, I am used to food with lower contents of sodium.
Then again, I hate any amount of salt larger than a pinch on food, as it masks the flavor and makes it taste like I am eating a salt lick. I may just be biased, as I prefer to lightly pepper and not salt things.
Astrocookie,
I promise people posting in this thread are well aware of how poor the average western diet is.
You have to come up with better ways of getting people to live healthy lives than BECAUSE I MADE IT LAW. There is no way that could possibly work in the society we've crafted.
Astrocookie,
I promise people posting in this thread are well aware of how poor the average western diet is.
You have to come up with better ways of getting people to live healthy lives than BECAUSE I MADE IT LAW. There is no way that could possibly work in the society we've crafted.
The only thing that would get him to shut the hell up is if someone calls him a communist/socialist.
I am in favor of using these loaded words in this approach.
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We really do overuse salt in so much food. Not just as a preservative but as a cover up for shitty made food. I mean when you got McDonalds, they slather their french fries in salt and then give you salt packets. Wendys does the same fucking thing. I stopped eating frozen entrees after taking a look at their sodium content, something most people neglect. While the calories and fat on most of the meals I was eating was okay, not great but not terrible, the sodium was out of fucking control. Everyone gets so focused on calories and fat that they forget about sodium. I'm not even sure why these meals have so much sodium in the days of modern refrigeration.
I know salt is one of those things you need and that trying to legislate it out is a stupid and impossible task, but I would like to see a cut back from foods as a whole.
Astrocookie,
I promise people posting in this thread are well aware of how poor the average western diet is.
You
-No. They don't. They really don't. Because if they truly did, I guarantee you they would not continue eating the way they do.
We should put a stiff tax on soda. We should ban trans fats. We should require restaurants to keep salt shakers away from tables and cook low sodium meals. We should take down the fucking corn lobby. It should be a fucking crime to give people salt packets.
But we don't. Because as you say, it's a part of our society, the status quo, and we don't want to change all that shit. Everyone just wants to keep eating triple patty bacon cheeseburgers with 2000mg of salt, with a side of salty ass fries and an extra large coke. EVERYDAY. And they justify it that by saying that taking these things away is very regressive and the poor poor people would starve! (When in reality the poorest of people are often the fattest).
Christ, watching people eat junk sometimes really makes me sick. Sometimes I almost wish this country really was only a few good speeches away from declaring fit, healthy people as the superior breed of humans and rounding up all the fatties into concentration camps and starving them to death.
Christ, watching people eat junk sometimes really makes me sick. Sometimes I almost wish this country really was only a few good speeches away from declaring fit, healthy people as the superior breed of humans and rounding up all the fatties into concentration camps and starving them to death.
Yeah, you lost me there, too.
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I didn't know having the choice to salt our food however we want - which includes not at all - could count as "the status quo." I mean I guess it does but... it's negative? I'm impressed. Tell me more, Astrocookie.
PS cookies are bad for your health, too much sugar
Astrocookie, I promise people posting in this thread are well aware of how poor the average western diet is.
You
-No. They don't. They really don't. Because if they truly did, I guarantee you they would not continue eating the way they do.
We should put a stiff tax on soda. We should ban trans fats. We should require restaurants to keep salt shakers away from tables and cook low sodium meals. We should take down the fucking corn lobby.
But we don't. Because as you say, it's a part of our society, the status quo, and we don't want to change all that shit. Everyone just wants to keep eating triple patty bacon cheeseburgers with 2000mg of salt, with a side of salty ass fries and an extra large coke. EVERYDAY. And they justify it that by saying that taking these things away is very regressive and the poor poor people would starve! (When in reality the poorest of people are often the fattest).
Christ, watching people eat junk sometimes really makes me sick. Sometimes I almost wish this country really was only a few good speeches away from declaring fit, healthy people as the superior breed of humans and rounding up all the fatties into concentration camps and starving them to death.
Read what he said. There's no reason to put a tax on soda, none at all, this isn't and shouldn't be treated like cigarettes or alcohol where their are huge social ramifications for abuse (other than diabetes which can come from other sources than ololdrinkingsoda). Trans fats, yes, that should be banned I agree completely. Salt shakers? Not really, you can't mandate people's diets because you don't know if people are or aren't getting enough sodium, it's stupid to mandate it. Most people don't eat out very often anyways, and most people don't eat preprocessed foods every day at home.
I'm not going to look for figures, I'm sure they're out there, but the average American's diet and obesity levels are probably very comparable to that of Europe. I look around and I see fat people, yeah, but I see more skinny people. All of this is conjecture but I've never really been to lots of friends/families homes were food wasn't prepared by hand all the way through. Though sometimes people use prepared sauces on lazy days, but I doubt it's "OMG YOU'RE GONNA GET FAT FROM THAT" levels or anywhere near bad.
However you're not taking away that he said everyone in this thread is aware of the shittiness of some American's dietary habits.
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Everyone just wants to keep eating triple patty bacon cheeseburgers with 2000mg of salt, with a side of salty ass fries and an extra large coke. EVERYDAY.
By the way as someone who has worked in fast food, this is false. If everyone was eating in that manner, we would've been busier in the industry, making more money, and I'd be relatively well off. But imagine that, I'm not. Oh, and also not every customer who eats at a fast food place goes balls-to-the-wall with their orders like that.
Astrocookie,
I promise people posting in this thread are well aware of how poor the average western diet is.
You
-No. They don't. They really don't. Because if they truly did, I guarantee you they would not continue eating the way they do.
We should put a stiff tax on soda. We should ban trans fats. We should require restaurants to keep salt shakers away from tables and cook low sodium meals. We should take down the fucking corn lobby. It should be a fucking crime to give people salt packets.
But we don't. Because as you say, it's a part of our society, the status quo, and we don't want to change all that shit. Everyone just wants to keep eating triple patty bacon cheeseburgers with 2000mg of salt, with a side of salty ass fries and an extra large coke. EVERYDAY. And they justify it that by saying that taking these things away is very regressive and the poor poor people would starve! (When in reality the poorest of people are often the fattest).
Christ, watching people eat junk sometimes really makes me sick. Sometimes I almost wish this country really was only a few good speeches away from declaring fit, healthy people as the superior breed of humans and rounding up all the fatties into concentration camps and starving them to death.
First of all, saying that if people knew stuff was bad for them they wouldn't eat it is pure bullshit. People do things that they know are bad for them all the time. Hell, I smoke a pack a day, I KNOW its bad for me, and I do it anyway because I enjoy it. I also enjoy eating raw cookie dough which I also know is horrible for me. But its tasty, and so I make cookie dough and I eat it because I want to. Mmmm, raw eggs mixed with butter and sugar.....
Why does it piss you off so much? Did a fat person kill your puppy? Did you mother die after being gang raped by salt packets? Your response is a tad extreme here.
It is not a governments job to protect people from themselves. From others, yes. From murder, and robbery, and assult, and other violent crimes, yes. But from being stupid? From getting fat or eating salt or drinking soda? No, its not the governments job. Nor is it your job. Trying to regulate everything that could be even a little bid bad for someone, from salt to sharp rocks on the ground, leads to an oppresive society that causes Dennis Leary to lead a revolution from the sewers where they grill rat burgers and Sylverster Stalone knitting sweaters. No one wants that.
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Most people don't eat out very often anyways, and most people don't eat preprocessed foods every day at home.
Gotta disagree with you there, Bowen. The number of people that eat out and eat quick frozen entrees on a regular basis has to outweigh (haha, outweigh, cuz they're fatties) the amount of people that cook for themselves on a regular basis.
To many people it's perceived as much easier to go "No 6 with a coke" in a drive thru than to go home and turn on the oven.
Most people don't eat out very often anyways, and most people don't eat preprocessed foods every day at home.
Gotta disagree with you there, Bowen. The number of people that eat out and eat quick frozen entrees on a regular basis has to outweigh (haha, outweigh, cuz they're fatties) the amount of people that cook for themselves on a regular basis.
To many people it's perceived as much easier to go "No 6 with a coke" in a drive thru than to go home and turn on the oven.
You're probably right. But, around where I live there's the fatties who do this and then there's the people who aren't fat that don't. Meh, but people in Germany were the same as the people in the US when I visited there a while back. I'm not sure where Germany stands in comparison to the rest of Europe in regards to fatties though.
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Astrocookie,
I promise people posting in this thread are well aware of how poor the average western diet is.
You
-No. They don't. They really don't. Because if they truly did, I guarantee you they would not continue eating the way they do.
We should put a stiff tax on soda. We should ban trans fats. We should require restaurants to keep salt shakers away from tables and cook low sodium meals. We should take down the fucking corn lobby. It should be a fucking crime to give people salt packets.
But we don't. Because as you say, it's a part of our society, the status quo, and we don't want to change all that shit. Everyone just wants to keep eating triple patty bacon cheeseburgers with 2000mg of salt, with a side of salty ass fries and an extra large coke. EVERYDAY. And they justify it that by saying that taking these things away is very regressive and the poor poor people would starve! (When in reality the poorest of people are often the fattest).
Christ, watching people eat junk sometimes really makes me sick. Sometimes I almost wish this country really was only a few good speeches away from declaring fit, healthy people as the superior breed of humans and rounding up all the fatties into concentration camps and starving them to death.
First of all, saying that if people knew stuff was bad for them they wouldn't eat it is pure bullshit. People do things that they know are bad for them all the time. Hell, I smoke a pack a day, I KNOW its bad for me, and I do it anyway because I enjoy it. I also enjoy eating raw cookie dough which I also know is horrible for me. But its tasty, and so I make cookie dough and I eat it because I want to. Mmmm, raw eggs mixed with butter and sugar.....
Why does it piss you off so much? Did a fat person kill your puppy? Did you mother die after being gang raped by salt packets? Your response is a tad extreme here.
It is not a governments job to protect people from themselves. From others, yes. From murder, and robbery, and assult, and other violent crimes, yes. But from being stupid? From getting fat or eating salt or drinking soda? No, its not the governments job. Nor is it your job. Trying to regulate everything that could be even a little bid bad for someone, from salt to sharp rocks on the ground, leads to an oppresive society that causes Dennis Leary to lead a revolution from the sewers where they grill rat burgers and Sylverster Stalone knitting sweaters. No one wants that.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought of San Angeles' draconian food laws. Now I'm going to go out and get some Taco Bell. :P
And because of this thread I've had the Sodium song from MST3K stuck in my head for the past 10 minutes.
In response of to this thread I'm not going to eat my banana and sandwich for lunch but going out to eat a fucking double whopper with cheese and bacon, a large fries, and a large milk shake.
You know? Because I fucking can.
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Astrocookie,
I promise people posting in this thread are well aware of how poor the average western diet is.
You
-No. They don't. They really don't. Because if they truly did, I guarantee you they would not continue eating the way they do.
We should put a stiff tax on soda. We should ban trans fats. We should require restaurants to keep salt shakers away from tables and cook low sodium meals. We should take down the fucking corn lobby. It should be a fucking crime to give people salt packets.
But we don't. Because as you say, it's a part of our society, the status quo, and we don't want to change all that shit. Everyone just wants to keep eating triple patty bacon cheeseburgers with 2000mg of salt, with a side of salty ass fries and an extra large coke. EVERYDAY. And they justify it that by saying that taking these things away is very regressive and the poor poor people would starve! (When in reality the poorest of people are often the fattest).
/snip
People have become aware that trans fats are very bad for them and consumer pressure has forced the mega-food-corps to respond by lowering or eliminating trans fats in their products, that's exactly the kind of progress I like to see, and it was made without banning trans fat. We legislated information instead (admittedly with silly portion size rounding down loopholes) but I find the position that we could not have curbed trans fat intake without a ban to be irrational and silly in the face of facts.
Lots of canned foods (soups etc) have lowered their salt content in response to consumer pressure already, progress might be slower than you'd like but it is being made.
I can see how taxing unhealthy foods poor people consume might simply add to their tax burden without changing their habits. The reason people are against this is because instead of making sure that money goes directly back to social programs for poor people politicians just want to spend the tax dollars collected from a new soft drink tax on pork projects to get re-elected.
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Most people don't eat out very often anyways, and most people don't eat preprocessed foods every day at home.
Gotta disagree with you there, Bowen. The number of people that eat out and eat quick frozen entrees on a regular basis has to outweigh (haha, outweigh, cuz they're fatties) the amount of people that cook for themselves on a regular basis.
This is very true where I work, where everyday the hallway by the downstairs microwave always smells like frozen dinners. It is not a pleasant smell.
I don't add salt to my food after the fact anymore, but that's mostly because I give it the salt it NEEDS during the cooking process. Besides, as Alton Brown says, 'salt helps meat taste more like meat'. It also helps boil water for pretty much everything, so what I'm saying is that it's a completely essential cooking tool and only a silly goose would try to ban it outright.
Trying to completely dictate what people are allowed to eat through legislation is the height of hyper nanny-state silly-goosery.
Most people don't eat out very often anyways, and most people don't eat preprocessed foods every day at home.
Gotta disagree with you there, Bowen. The number of people that eat out and eat quick frozen entrees on a regular basis has to outweigh (haha, outweigh, cuz they're fatties) the amount of people that cook for themselves on a regular basis.
To many people it's perceived as much easier to go "No 6 with a coke" in a drive thru than to go home and turn on the oven.
You're probably right. But, around where I live there's the fatties who do this and then there's the people who aren't fat that don't. Meh, but people in Germany were the same as the people in the US when I visited there a while back. I'm not sure where Germany stands in comparison to the rest of Europe in regards to fatties though.
Most of the stats tend to show Europe catching up with the US. Britain is about even, and Germany is almost there.
It's the standard portion size in America that's a problem as much as anything else anyways. Our mediums are basically everywhere else's large.
I'm not necessarily convinced on that. If you look at serving sizes on anything you buy at the grocer they're kinda super low. Lemme go to my kitchen and find some shit, hang on.
Kraft Mac & Cheese
Serving Size 2.5 oz
Servings Per Container about 3
Peter Pan Peanut Butter (Creamy)
Serving Size 2 tbsp (32g)
Servings Per Container about 14 (this is the smallest size jar by the way, 16.3 oz)
StarKist Chunk Light Tuna (In Water)
Serving Size about 2 oz drained
Servings about 2 (5 oz can, you know how small these are)
California Sun-Dried Raisins
Serving Size 1/4 cup (40g) (for the record, the tuna above is 56g)
Servings per container about 11 (15 oz total)
Maruchan Ramen
Serving Size 1/2 block of noodles with seasoning
None of these serving sizes would put a dent in my appetite. I'm about 5'10", 140 lbs, though I also have a pretty fast metabolism.
Man, half a packet of ramen as a serving size... I would starve on that shit.
Man, half a packet of ramen as a serving size... I would starve on that shit.
That has more to do with the fact that ramen has almost no nutritional value. On the other hand, I have noticed that if I eat granola often, I tend to be less hungry. I am thinking it is more the foods you eat, rather than the amount, that determines how hungry you are.
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They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Well if the culinary facts were otherwise, the point could be made that you could let people choose what tradeoff between health and taste they want.
I pay tax on my restaurant dinner, I don't pay tax when I buy apples at the grocer. That's about as much government intrusion into my eating as I'm willing to take. The only thing more unpopular than new taxes are bans, this guy is failing as a politician.
Edit: i'm cool with the FDA making sure I don't eat rat poison, I meant I don't want the other branches of the government banning things arbitrarily.
The reason foods with little or no salt taste bland to you is because you're so used to eating foods with salt in the first place.
For one thing there is absolutely no reason for a salt shaker to be at a table in a restaurant. The sodium from salt is vital for survival, but only like 500 mg a day or so. 1/4 of a teaspoon of salt can potentially serve your entire daily need of sodium.
But yet, the average American consumes a good 2000-3000 even 4000 mg of sodium a fucking day.
That means that every decade the average shithead American consumes a lifetime's worth of salt.
You think that's fucking healthy?
It isn't. And this shit needs to stop, and I support our government moving toward Nutritional Nazism because there's way too many health problems in this country that come from just plain ignorance in people's diets. The old generations are probably beyond help, and will be dead soon anyway, but we can still start fresh with the kids in schools and make sure they are getting good foods in their cafeterias. Nutritional science should be fucking mandatory in schools alongside biology and chemistry and physics and math.
I hope you realize that your tongue's taste reception is not immutable, and that if you consume foods with little salt then overtime you will start to taste foods differently. You will begin to notice flavors your tongue didn't even pick up before. And when you try eating something salty all of the sudden you will really notice the amount of salt you're eating. Sure it sucks at first, but you DO adjust. I've been eating low sodium meals for years now.
You've been conditioned to think foods only taste good if they have salt, but this simply is not true. Foods taste good depending on what you get used to. This is exactly the same reason why some people say foods without sufficient spiciness taste bland and like shit yet other people disagree vehemently and enjoy meals regularly without a hint of spice, because they never eat spicy meals. Same exact shit.
I was not saying salt makes things taste bad nor am I supporting this loon. That said, it is not the only thing that makes things taste good, especially when there is too much salt (read: McDonalds) on the food. This seemed to be what you were implying, that the only way to make things taste good was salt. As I did not grow up on shitty McDonalds food, I am used to food with lower contents of sodium.
Then again, I hate any amount of salt larger than a pinch on food, as it masks the flavor and makes it taste like I am eating a salt lick. I may just be biased, as I prefer to lightly pepper and not salt things.
It's not like taxing cigarettes where there's a good chance that, even in moderation, you're causing harm to a lot of things and people around you.
Drinking a soda or adding a dash of salt, in moderation, won't do shit. You also can't legislate, or rather, enforce this, there's no way.
How about we stick to making laws, or spending time in money, in sane and logical ways?
I promise people posting in this thread are well aware of how poor the average western diet is.
You have to come up with better ways of getting people to live healthy lives than BECAUSE I MADE IT LAW. There is no way that could possibly work in the society we've crafted.
The only thing that would get him to shut the hell up is if someone calls him a communist/socialist.
I am in favor of using these loaded words in this approach.
I know salt is one of those things you need and that trying to legislate it out is a stupid and impossible task, but I would like to see a cut back from foods as a whole.
-No. They don't. They really don't. Because if they truly did, I guarantee you they would not continue eating the way they do.
We should put a stiff tax on soda. We should ban trans fats. We should require restaurants to keep salt shakers away from tables and cook low sodium meals. We should take down the fucking corn lobby. It should be a fucking crime to give people salt packets.
But we don't. Because as you say, it's a part of our society, the status quo, and we don't want to change all that shit. Everyone just wants to keep eating triple patty bacon cheeseburgers with 2000mg of salt, with a side of salty ass fries and an extra large coke. EVERYDAY. And they justify it that by saying that taking these things away is very regressive and the poor poor people would starve! (When in reality the poorest of people are often the fattest).
Christ, watching people eat junk sometimes really makes me sick. Sometimes I almost wish this country really was only a few good speeches away from declaring fit, healthy people as the superior breed of humans and rounding up all the fatties into concentration camps and starving them to death.
"EVERYONE IS STUPID RAWR RAWR RAWR!"
Yeah, you lost me there, too.
PS cookies are bad for your health, too much sugar
Read what he said. There's no reason to put a tax on soda, none at all, this isn't and shouldn't be treated like cigarettes or alcohol where their are huge social ramifications for abuse (other than diabetes which can come from other sources than ololdrinkingsoda). Trans fats, yes, that should be banned I agree completely. Salt shakers? Not really, you can't mandate people's diets because you don't know if people are or aren't getting enough sodium, it's stupid to mandate it. Most people don't eat out very often anyways, and most people don't eat preprocessed foods every day at home.
I'm not going to look for figures, I'm sure they're out there, but the average American's diet and obesity levels are probably very comparable to that of Europe. I look around and I see fat people, yeah, but I see more skinny people. All of this is conjecture but I've never really been to lots of friends/families homes were food wasn't prepared by hand all the way through. Though sometimes people use prepared sauces on lazy days, but I doubt it's "OMG YOU'RE GONNA GET FAT FROM THAT" levels or anywhere near bad.
However you're not taking away that he said everyone in this thread is aware of the shittiness of some American's dietary habits.
By the way as someone who has worked in fast food, this is false. If everyone was eating in that manner, we would've been busier in the industry, making more money, and I'd be relatively well off. But imagine that, I'm not. Oh, and also not every customer who eats at a fast food place goes balls-to-the-wall with their orders like that.
First of all, saying that if people knew stuff was bad for them they wouldn't eat it is pure bullshit. People do things that they know are bad for them all the time. Hell, I smoke a pack a day, I KNOW its bad for me, and I do it anyway because I enjoy it. I also enjoy eating raw cookie dough which I also know is horrible for me. But its tasty, and so I make cookie dough and I eat it because I want to. Mmmm, raw eggs mixed with butter and sugar.....
Why does it piss you off so much? Did a fat person kill your puppy? Did you mother die after being gang raped by salt packets? Your response is a tad extreme here.
It is not a governments job to protect people from themselves. From others, yes. From murder, and robbery, and assult, and other violent crimes, yes. But from being stupid? From getting fat or eating salt or drinking soda? No, its not the governments job. Nor is it your job. Trying to regulate everything that could be even a little bid bad for someone, from salt to sharp rocks on the ground, leads to an oppresive society that causes Dennis Leary to lead a revolution from the sewers where they grill rat burgers and Sylverster Stalone knitting sweaters. No one wants that.
Gotta disagree with you there, Bowen. The number of people that eat out and eat quick frozen entrees on a regular basis has to outweigh (haha, outweigh, cuz they're fatties) the amount of people that cook for themselves on a regular basis.
To many people it's perceived as much easier to go "No 6 with a coke" in a drive thru than to go home and turn on the oven.
You're probably right. But, around where I live there's the fatties who do this and then there's the people who aren't fat that don't. Meh, but people in Germany were the same as the people in the US when I visited there a while back. I'm not sure where Germany stands in comparison to the rest of Europe in regards to fatties though.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought of San Angeles' draconian food laws. Now I'm going to go out and get some Taco Bell. :P
And because of this thread I've had the Sodium song from MST3K stuck in my head for the past 10 minutes.
You know? Because I fucking can.
People have become aware that trans fats are very bad for them and consumer pressure has forced the mega-food-corps to respond by lowering or eliminating trans fats in their products, that's exactly the kind of progress I like to see, and it was made without banning trans fat. We legislated information instead (admittedly with silly portion size rounding down loopholes) but I find the position that we could not have curbed trans fat intake without a ban to be irrational and silly in the face of facts.
Lots of canned foods (soups etc) have lowered their salt content in response to consumer pressure already, progress might be slower than you'd like but it is being made.
I can see how taxing unhealthy foods poor people consume might simply add to their tax burden without changing their habits. The reason people are against this is because instead of making sure that money goes directly back to social programs for poor people politicians just want to spend the tax dollars collected from a new soft drink tax on pork projects to get re-elected.
Did you know he and his wife wrote a cook book titled "Kill It and Grill It"?
True story.
This is very true where I work, where everyday the hallway by the downstairs microwave always smells like frozen dinners. It is not a pleasant smell.
I don't add salt to my food after the fact anymore, but that's mostly because I give it the salt it NEEDS during the cooking process. Besides, as Alton Brown says, 'salt helps meat taste more like meat'. It also helps boil water for pretty much everything, so what I'm saying is that it's a completely essential cooking tool and only a silly goose would try to ban it outright.
Trying to completely dictate what people are allowed to eat through legislation is the height of hyper nanny-state silly-goosery.
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Did you know he told college students the other day to watch Glenn Beck?
True story.
Why were college students listening to Ted Nugent? Colleges are bastions of liberal propaganda and brainwashing.
They were listening to him ironically
Most of the stats tend to show Europe catching up with the US. Britain is about even, and Germany is almost there.
Ted Nugent was carrying an AR-15 when he told them to watch Glenn Beck.
I'm not necessarily convinced on that. If you look at serving sizes on anything you buy at the grocer they're kinda super low. Lemme go to my kitchen and find some shit, hang on.
Kraft Mac & Cheese
Serving Size 2.5 oz
Servings Per Container about 3
Peter Pan Peanut Butter (Creamy)
Serving Size 2 tbsp (32g)
Servings Per Container about 14 (this is the smallest size jar by the way, 16.3 oz)
StarKist Chunk Light Tuna (In Water)
Serving Size about 2 oz drained
Servings about 2 (5 oz can, you know how small these are)
California Sun-Dried Raisins
Serving Size 1/4 cup (40g) (for the record, the tuna above is 56g)
Servings per container about 11 (15 oz total)
Maruchan Ramen
Serving Size 1/2 block of noodles with seasoning
None of these serving sizes would put a dent in my appetite. I'm about 5'10", 140 lbs, though I also have a pretty fast metabolism.
Man, half a packet of ramen as a serving size... I would starve on that shit.
That has more to do with the fact that ramen has almost no nutritional value. On the other hand, I have noticed that if I eat granola often, I tend to be less hungry. I am thinking it is more the foods you eat, rather than the amount, that determines how hungry you are.