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[Let's Play] Shining Force 2 -- Feb 2012: Imageshack is turning into shit, I know already

HenroidHenroid NobodyNowhere fastRegistered User regular
edited February 2012 in Games and Technology
Let's Play
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About Shining Force 2...
Many years ago, when I was but a child, we had this awesome thing for the Sega Genesis called the Sega Channel. For the ignorant and unfortunate who don't know, the Sega Channel was a subscription service by a cable company in which a monthly fee brought you over 50 titles to play. It brought you those titles via a slow, slow download. But you know what? It was sweet. The titles were mixed up every month, but some managed to stick around for repeat appearances. And games with save files were wonky; the manual read as though the save files would disappear if you loaded up another game (locking you to finishing those long, long RPGs lest your data disappear). But I had experiences where the save files remained intact despite loading another game. Maybe it meant you couldn't take the Sega Channel cart out of the Genesis. Not that we ever did.

Anyhow, early in our experiences with the glorious Sega Channel was Shining Force 2. At the time, the local cable company was having an issue where some dude named Mike managed to get his save file locked in the entire Sega Channel system (we knew his name was Mike because he named the main character that). And the game wouldn't save any progress whatsoever. It'd pick up right from where Mike left off, that bastard. But it was a taste of the game. When that whole debacle was cleared up, my brother and I pushed through the game. Though on my end, I cheated. Because I was terrible at strategy games and that's pretty much followed me up to today.

Shining Force 2 follows the story of Bowie (default main character name; you could name him Mike if you REALLY wanted to), a young lad in the kingdom of Granseal. A childish ploy to enter the castle walls eventually spirals into Bowie gathering and leading an army against the forces of Zeon, one of the ancient Devil Kings sealed away in ages past.

Like the first, the game is a strategy RPG and contains many of the same elements, slightly improved. Although you gain many characters throughout the game, you can only bring 12 (including the main character) out to battle. These followers are a varying bunch - some are straight-forward warriors, others can fly, some are mages and healers, some archers, etc. Like the first game, the promotion system is in play but requires level 20 instead of level 10 and also doesn't bring the stat penalty that part one had. Part two is more colorful (literally, I remember the palette of the previous game being more... bland) and a bit more upbeat and expressive in story and characters. The scope of the game also seems a bit bigger and sinister.

To be fair to part one, it received a remake for the Gameboy Advance that did a lot to improve its story telling. Also prior to both games was Shining in the Darkness, which was a dungeon crawling RPG and was otherwise a traditional RPG in its combat aspects.

Fuckin' Shining Force, How Does It Work?!
I guess I should've explained this long ago and am now editing it into the post. If you need to understand the game mechanics precisely, read the below stuffs (not actually a spoiler). Frankly, I thought the gist of the gameplay was clear but Rent being Rent had to ask for this.
Spoiler:

The LP!
Okay, so here's how this is going down - I love getting the community involved and I'm doing it twofold here. The first way is that I'm using the code that allows you to rename all playable characters. So to jazz things up a bit, all the characters will be named after forumers! The folks involved in my (unfortunately) failed Etrian Odyssey 2 LP are given a role here, to make up for that. And if I didn't pick you for one of the 30 characters, it wasn't a matter of leaving you out on purpose or anything like that. Some characters I did give very precise thought toward in naming though.

The other community involvement is character use voting. Each time I get a new character (after the initial 12 characters have joined), I'm gonna give some info on their given class / stat situation and let you guys vote on whether or not to use 'em. I don't care much for what criteria you use to cast your votes. But I learned my lesson from EO2 - the counter balance to you guys trying to screw me over, even by accident, is that I get to choose who the newcomers replace in the current lineup. I also reserve the right to veto any votes.

By the way, I'm cheating you guys out of a game with an excellent soundtrack. I'll leave it to readers to post whatever YouTubes may exist for it. It'd be more thrilling if it happened as songs would normally come up!

Starting with part 28, and retrofitted into every update, is a link to a YouTube video for any given track from the game that fits the entry best or that I have otherwise not presented. The link can be found via the Shining Force 2 logo atop every update.

Starting with part 37 I've decided to ditch the voting process as it was slow and since the hiatus and update pacing has dropped dramatically. So all decisions on party members will be made by me.

Special thanks to Shining Force Central for many images I'll end up using (but not on their bandwidth!)

Special thanks to hedgehogclan of YouTube for having the music of the game available!

The Shining Force (those chosen to fight!)
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Henroid ~ Sollah ~ Kaseius ~ UDScots ~ Adus ~~ Campion

karna.gifpeterpromo.gifmayb.gifgerhaltpromo.gifzynk.gifrick.gif
Frostey ~ Pata ~~~ Pony ~~ RaijinQ ~ C.Tube ~ Reynlds

Update List:
Part 0 - The Intro
Part 1 - The Kingdom of Granseal
Part 2 - The Quest is Bestowed
Part 3 - Yeel is Boring
Part 4 - Galam's Villainy Emerges
Part 5 - The Escape from Galam Prison
Part 6 - Hurry to Granseal!
Part 7 - Into the Ancient Tower
Part 8 - Catastrophe! Piracy! Literacy!
Part 9 - Should've Tried Smallpox
Part 10 - Birds Are Weird
Part 11 - Diplomacy at Work
Part 12 - Double feature battles!
Part 13 - Thanks for Watching!
Part 14 - Putting the Plot into Focus
Part 15 - How to Get a Raft
Part 16 - Playing Pirates Again!
Part 17 - Death and the Desert
Part 18 - Spelunking Force
Part 19 - How to Get a Caravan
Part 20 - Dwarves, Fairies, Elves, and Orcs
Part 21 - Oddler Hears a Who
Part 22 - It's Always Something!
Part 23 - What're the Rules for Chess?
Part 24 - Honey I Shrunk the Shining Force
Part 25 - Holy Shit, it's the Villain!
Part 26 - Granseal is Still Standing
Part 27 - Pimp My Shining Force
Part 28 - How the Devil Army Conquers
Part 29 - Select the Pistol, and then, Select Your Shining Force
Part 30 - How to Set a Trap
Part 31 - Mitula and the Lack of a Good Title
Part 32 - Hope You Like Plot Advancement
Part 33 - The Liberation of Horse Nation!
Part 34 - Didn't We See This Battlefield Before?
Part 35 - Battle of the Moun
Part 36 - Futurama's Hiatus Comeback, Eat Your Heart Out
Part 37 - How to Crash an Ancient Artifact
Part 38 - Geshp Runs Away Again
Part 39 - Everyone Can Join the Shining Force!
Part 40 - Wicked Garden
Part 41 - Magic Minotaurs Are Cooler in M:TG

Character Vote Results:
ACTUAL SPOILERS BELOW (on the order of characters). As characters show up in the LP, I'll move them out of the spoiler tag and reveal their forumer name. I'll keep track of the vote counts. If any numbers are beside the character, it means their voting is over.
anibowiesdmn.gifanibowiehero.gif Henroid (the hero always stays)
anisarahprst.gifanisarahmmnk.gif Sollah (AUTO IN - NO VOTE)
anichesterknte.gif Rent (AUTO IN - NO VOTE) (replaced by Kaseius)
anijahawarr.gifanijahabrn.gif UDScots (Undead Scottsman) (AUTO IN - NO VOTE)
anikazinmage.gifanikazinsorc.gif Adus (AUTO IN - NO VOTE)
anisladethif.gifanisladeninj.gif EvlBdmn (EvilBadman) (AUTO IN - NO VOTE)
anikiwitort.gif Pikapuf (AUTO IN) (replaced by LewieP)
anipeterphnk.gifanipeterphnx.gif Pata (AUTO IN - NO VOTE)
animayrngr.gifanimaybwnt.gif Pony (AUTO IN - NO VOTE)
anigerhaltwfmn.gifanigerhaltwfbr.gif RaijinQ (Raijin Quickfoot) (AUTO IN - NO VOTE)
anilukebdmn.gifanilukebdbt.gif JJ (AUTO IN - NO VOTE) (replaced by Koolegl)
anirickknte.gifanirickpgnt.gif Reynlds (Reynolds) (AUTO IN - NO VOTE)
anielricachr.gifanielricsnip.gif LewieP ( 9 to 0 )
aniericknte.gifaniericpldn.gif Kaseius ( 8 in favor ) (wins the creed vote)
anikarnaprst.gif Frostey ( 4 in favor )
anirandolfwarr.gif Khavall ( 2 in favor )
anityrinmage.gif Olivaw ( 5 in favor )
anijanetachr.gif Willeth ( 4 to 6 )
anirohdenpc.gifanirohdebrgn.gif Mordrak ( VOTE VOIDED, NO IN )
anihiginspldn.gif Mighty ( 3 to 7 )
anitayasorc.gif Pancake ( 0 to 6 )
aniskreechbdbt.gif Koolegl (TheKoolEagle) ( 2 to 4 ) (results veto'd)
anijaropgnt.gif Xenobor (Xenogears of Bore) ( 2 to 4 )
anifrayjavicr.gif JAEF ( 2 to 3 )
anigyangldt.gif USporky (Uncle Sporky) ( voting canceled; not in )
anisheelammnk.gif Campion ( takes Evlbdmn's spot )
anizynkrbt.gif C.Tube (Cardboard Tube) ( will be in, duh )
aniclaudeglm.gif Drez (doesn't get in)
Spoiler:

BONUS CONTENT:
Rent wrote: »
Spoiler:
Reynolds wrote: »
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Spoiler:

...okay, maybe I was a little too excited.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Let's Play sf2titleclear.png The Intro
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    *bounce bounce bounce*

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    In Dolby Digital Surround Sound™
    Spoiler:

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  • Kris_xKKris_xK Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    God, I loved the Shining Force games.

    I don't recall the backgrounds being quite that bad however.

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  • Crotchless Gorilla SuitCrotchless Gorilla Suit Registered User
    edited April 2010
    Man that intro brings back so many memories. This game WAS my childhood. Every time I think of SRPGs, this is what comes to mind.

  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Aw hell... I was considering doing a Let's Play on this at some point. I loved this game as a kid. In my mind this game is superior to most JRPGs, partially due to nostalgia, but all in all it's a really good game.

    This game was such good fun, looking forward to your LP.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    You can always still do yours if you want. I don't think anyone here really cares about forumers doing the same LP (unless it's like, 10 of them or something).

    I forgot to mention I'm gonna try and go for promotions at a later level, instead of right at 20 like I've always done. I don't think I have the patience to go to level 40 on them, might go for 30.

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    If you really wanna have some fun, there's this:
    Name other characters

    After selecting the name for the main character, hold [START] as you choose "End." Another name screen will pop up for another character and you get to name everyone else.
    That way we can all get in on the fun!

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Someone didn't read the OP! (which technically comes after the intro)

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I skimmed it...
    <.<
    >.>

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Henroid wrote: »
    You can always still do yours if you want. I don't think anyone here really cares about forumers doing the same LP (unless it's like, 10 of them or something).

    I forgot to mention I'm gonna try and go for promotions at a later level, instead of right at 20 like I've always done. I don't think I have the patience to go to level 40 on them, might go for 30.

    Nah, I don't really like more than one LP of the same game going on at any one time. Besides, I'm too busy to even consider anything like for several months.

    Also, I wasn't quite sure from your OP if all the characters are going to be named after the forumers from the EO thread, or if it's even possible to apply here.

    If we can apply, I'd like to have either the Slade or Kazin renamed after me(without the 9 at the end). Although both of those characters rely on being promoted to become useful(Kazin to sorcerer, he makes a crappy wizard. Slade had some cool weapon that only he could use after promotion, IIRC). These two practically require early promotion.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I already picked out who would be named after whom. Very few got serious consideration. For the most part I grabbed people I recognize.

    And the EO2 thing, I meant that the four people (well, five, since I never got to the bear to replace Xenogears of Bore) I used for that have each been assigned a character in this. They more or less got priority placement.

    Edit - Oh I touched up the "OP" (post two). Just to give an idea on formatting in a couple sections, and more or less get some things in place (behind spoilers) for future use. I might get the first play session (which will be pre-battle stuff still) tomorrow.

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Alright. I was mostly just wondering how you were planning to do this. I would've probably picked people in the LP thread, since it seemed to work really well in Fishman's X-COM ones, but it's completely your call.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yessssss! I haven't played it in years but I still rate Shining Force 2 in my top 10 RPG's. I should really get around to playing it on the Ultimate Mega Drive Collection.

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I never did play Shining Force 2. When it came out, it was like, $75 which was way too much money for a teen with no job. I see that it's on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection for the 360. I'm wondering if I should pick that up, or if I should just get the version on the Virtual Console. I really should play through Shining Force 1 on the VC first, though.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue Coral Springs, FLRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Shining Force 1 is also on the UGC, along with all the Streets of Rage games, Shining in the Darkness, and Phantasy Star 2-4. It's almost a no brainer.


    Tangent: I'm finally playing SF3 on the Saturn, and it's enjoyable. Uses the same font, too.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    It's too bad the other episodes of Shining Force 3 didn't come to North America. Then again, I've heard clips of the "voice acting."

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Oh by the way I played through to capture the first set, but it ended up dipping so long that I'm cutting into it, and that cut portion will be set 2. This is like an exercise in how to handle an RPG. Suffice to say, not every random NPC dialog is being included because fuck that.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Shining Force 1 is also on the UGC, along with all the Streets of Rage games, Shining in the Darkness, and Phantasy Star 2-4. It's almost a no brainer.


    Tangent: I'm finally playing SF3 on the Saturn, and it's enjoyable. Uses the same font, too.

    You can unlock Phantasy Star 1 as well, so it's got the entire (actual) Phantasy Star series. And yeah, why would you buy SF1 and 2 seperately when you can get both alongside a bunch of other awesome games for a fairly low price?

    I really wish Sega would pull off something crazy and release a Ultimate Saturn Collection. Sure the Saturn was a pain in the ass and emulation would be a bitch to pull off but there are some damn awesome games I'd love to play from it (like all the SF3 episodes).

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I made it about halfway through Shining Force 3 on the Saturn. I even downloaded guides to get through episodes 2 and 3, but I doubt I would have had the patience for it. I'm not sure why I stopped playing SF3 because it was a lot of fun.

  • AdusAdus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Awesome. I loved this game. My first RPG. You better finish this Henroid.

  • Waka LakaWaka Laka Faggot of tremendous proportions Melbourne, VicRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    HEEEEEENROOOOOOOID!!!

    I love you for this thread.

    Phantasy Star is fantastic. The only RPG that grabbed me in the 16 bit era besides Tales of Phantasia.

  • TheKoolEagleTheKoolEagle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    mmmmm shining force, such a sexy srpg, possibly my first, it was either this or final fantasy tactics, either way good show henroid, i look forward to re-living my childhood through you

  • CorehealerCorehealer The Nevas I am the void. I am the end. I am nothing.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Adus wrote: »
    Awesome. I loved this game. My first RPG. You better finish this Henroid.


    Can't wait to see this LP Henroid. I can already taste the delicious RPG and strategy goodness. :)

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  • ManDanceManDance Registered User
    edited April 2010
    Oh GOD YES. My first sight of this game was on sega channel. I've never had a game grab my attention for so long, so quick. But after a month it was gone! It took three months to find a copy, but it was worth it. One of my favorite games of all time.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Shining Force 2 seemed to just make everything so much bigger compared to the first. It was tough trimming down my battle roster to just 12 characters. Even characters belonging to some of the blander classes could get crazy promoted classes with the special items.

    But screw the random mithril crafting.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    ManDance wrote: »
    Oh GOD YES. My first sight of this game was on sega channel. I've never had a game grab my attention for so long, so quick. But after a month it was gone! It took three months to find a copy, but it was worth it. One of my favorite games of all time.

    YES, hi5 for Sega Channel users! :D

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  • redraptorredraptor Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Shining Force 2 was too hard for me the first time I played it, so I used that code that let you control both your heroes and the enemies. Coolest thing ever.

    Played through the whole game like that, blew my mind the way you could see all the enemies skills and stats and stuff. I never understood that the enemies and the heroes were treated the same way by the game before that.

    Doing some game programming now, and looking back I think that may have been the moment where I pulled back the curtain on how games work in a way.

    A virtual console/PSN release of the three volumes of Shining Force 3 translated would be magical.

  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Are you playing this on Super difficulty?

    Also, my votes for your team
    Spoiler:
    :P

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Shining Force has the best, most charming sprites from that era of games. I've wanted to play it ever since I saw my friend messing with it, but I never had a SEGA system.

    Also you should name the main character Mike.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue Coral Springs, FLRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    SF3 does have horrible voice acting.

    The actual localization seems competent, though.

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  • BlitzAce1981BlitzAce1981 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I never found the item to turn Chester into a Pegasus Knight.

    A few months back I found out I had walked past it about 10 times.

    Also, I trust you'll be doing the bonus battle?

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User
    edited April 2010
    Oh man, I loved this game. If you don't finish this one Henroid, I'll find you and beat you up. And maybe install better internet so you can finish the other one.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
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    Jaro is a pimp.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Let's Play sf2titleclear.png Part 1
    Spoiler:

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  • AdusAdus Registered User regular
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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    A forumer?

    Friend of mine I convinced to join the forum. She was part of the EO2 team.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Normal mode? Wuss. :P

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm pretty sure I mentioned I'm bad at this kind of game. :P Also voting doesn't work the way you seem to want it to so :P some more!

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    But it'd be funny!

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Last time I got stuck with a party I didn't really know how to work, I ended up slowing down in the LP updates.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    That's the beauty of my choice! It doesn't work! It's just the eleven shittiest characters plus Bowie!

    ...

    Note I said funny, not fun.

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