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[Bitching Thread VI] A Brand New Day (for bitching)
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That relies on the conceit that Liefeld is that only artist that used exaggerated anatomy, or dynamism, though.
Stokoe, as well as the artists he surrounds himself with, were clearly more influenced by manga, graffiti, and independent comics of the eighties.
I've never heard Ramos speak about his influences, but it seems pretty obviously manga-inspired as well.
I actually don't hate Liefeld's art, but let's not pretend anything that isn't done in the style of Curt Swan or George Perez, evolved from Rob Liefeld.
That said, I actually think you could make the case for Liefeld (and many other artists that came up in that era), being influenced by the same stuff Stokoe was, but in a different way. Stokoe may have read something like Appleseed, and been taken with the weird sci-fi stuff, round shapes, humorous asides, and so on, while Liefeld liked the big, nonsense sci-fi guns, pouches, and layered clothing.
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i'm saying in mainstream, american comics, no one was doing what rob was. he broke in and legitimized that dynamic art style for a mass audience. because of liefeld, crazier art styles were given a sort of symbolic thumbs up. so, when I say it's a natural evolution, I mean since liefeld already showed us some crazy shit and we were okay with it, naturally we'd want more and crazier, but also of a better quality. and i'm pretty sure there were steps in between too.
Guys like Ramos and Stokoe come from very different ends stylistically. Ramos is much more coming from the manga end of things, which is actually pretty common for a lot of Central American artists. I'm not sure I'd even say that kind of dynamic art is more accepted by a wide audience due to Liefeld. I'd go a step back and, if I absolutely had to, pin that on Miller's art for really opening things up to what mass audiences accepted.
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See, I'd argue that Stokoe isn't in the mainstream, though. He's off on the fringes, along with the people who initially inspired him. And again, Liefeld was hardly a trailblazer in terms of dynamic art; you had guys like Mike Parobeck and Phil Foglio getting work at DC, years before Liefeld. Not to mention dudes like Bill Sienkiewicz, who blew people's minds on New Mutants, four years before Liefeld's debut on Hawk and Dove.
I don't think Liefeld really brought anything to mainstream comics, that wouldn't have been brought there by Art Adams, Jim Lee, or Marc Silverstri.
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He also wrote a Plastic Man series.
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Learn something new every day.
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I've read quite a few interviews with him, but nothing that's ever really examined his process, influences, etc.
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Would that require him to be
y'know
a master?
He transcended mere mastery with the Capt America cover.
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On the subject of power armor wielding Presidents.
I desperately, desperately want either a Metal Wolf Chaos import or a comic similar to it.
Suck-my-missile-punch Presidential power armor action with Air Force 1 launching from a secret hanger under the tidal basin as he fights an evil Vice President holding hostages on the Statue of Liberty sipping his tea climaxing in a space duel and surfs back to earth from an exploding moon base.
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they get points for being creative
maybe
Holy god.
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just, why
holy shit
That's the fans job.
*slow clap*
I would like to mention how Marvel Zombies: Destroy, continues to label Blazing Skull as Flaming Skull. I've only been following it in preview pages after the first issue, where he's labeled Blazing Skull, but all the recap pages since then label Mark as Flaming Skull. He's never gone by Flaming Skull. Even Marvel's own wiki bio doesn't have it as an alias. They even call him Blazing Skull in the actual issues, from what you can see of preview pages. It's like, come on bra. You don't label Steve Rogers Sergeant America, right?
Alright, Black Panther bitch slapping Tony Stark was awesome. But seeing Tony bitch about using magic to save the world, just weeks/months after he used magic to save the world in Fear Itself? Seems wrong, especially since this was a Fraction issue.
Also - where are the Fantastic Four in all of this? I've always seen the Four as being on the same level as the Avengers and X-men, and would like to see them occupying some sort of middle ground in this war. They are high enough profile that it bugs me when they get forgotten during events, like Siege.
just assume they're having another space adventure
Frankly, I think they should take all the kids an put them into one school together. That way, you'd have the 'Avengers' clique, the 'X-Men' clique, and the 'FF' clique.
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I kind of think Reed and Sue would be on the X-Men's side in all this, some kind of 11th hour plot twist aside.
Why do I get the sense this is a blatant lie?
Tony was making a joke, not bitching
He was just hoping he could solve things with good ol' science
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They read fanmade comics about Cass Cain
And everything else is just something to misinterpret or mock
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Ironically they seem to love Frank Cho's art.