GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Stalkers, which you will have in spades with any Protoss Colossus based army, decimate Banshees, much faster than a gaggle of Vikings. Vikings can also be built using reactored Starports, Banshees cannot (sorry, no Tech Reactors in MP).
Hmm, apparently Idra said that he thought Stephano was a maphacker before he went to offline tournaments, because he had perfect defense and excellent early game timings. He also said that he's the second best foreigner behind Stephano (haha yeah right Idra).
Stalkers, which you will have in spades with any Protoss Colossus based army, decimate Banshees, much faster than a gaggle of Vikings. Vikings can also be built using reactored Starports, Banshees cannot (sorry, no Tech Reactors in MP).
This is a bit of a misnomer. Stalkers take 9 shots to kill a viking and 14 shots to kill a banshee. It's the reduced range that means it's easier for Stalkers to get under the banshees. There are times when banshees are good though, like if you can get an angle above a cliff, or if the fight is over and you still have banshees left, they are much better than vikings during the "remaxing" period.
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Stalkers, which you will have in spades with any Protoss Colossus based army, decimate Banshees, much faster than a gaggle of Vikings. Vikings can also be built using reactored Starports, Banshees cannot (sorry, no Tech Reactors in MP).
This is a bit of a misnomer. Stalkers take 9 shots to kill a viking and 14 shots to kill a banshee. It's the reduced range that means it's easier for Stalkers to get under the banshees. There are times when banshees are good though, like if you can get an angle above a cliff, or if the fight is over and you still have banshees left, they are much better than vikings during the "remaxing" period.
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You're still paying 150/100 for a unit that does as much damage as two marines. They're good, but that's a lot of money to spend on a unit that requires tech labbed starports. Also, Protoss has Phoenixes
Stalkers, which you will have in spades with any Protoss Colossus based army, decimate Banshees, much faster than a gaggle of Vikings. Vikings can also be built using reactored Starports, Banshees cannot (sorry, no Tech Reactors in MP).
This is a bit of a misnomer. Stalkers take 9 shots to kill a viking and 14 shots to kill a banshee. It's the reduced range that means it's easier for Stalkers to get under the banshees. There are times when banshees are good though, like if you can get an angle above a cliff, or if the fight is over and you still have banshees left, they are much better than vikings during the "remaxing" period.
Air units don't benefit from high ground fog.
Stalker range is 6, banshee range is 6. If you are above a cliff, it limits the number of stalkers that will be able to return fire. It's a better strategy for vikings though, since they can get even farther away from the cliff edge.
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Don't get me wrong guys, I totally agree that Vikings are what you need and vikings are what you get. I'm just hypothesizing on a possible role of slowly adding in a few banshees late game, the same way you slowly add in a few ghosts. I haven't seen it done yet in a pro game, probably because it doesn't work. That said, I'd like to see what it looks like when someone does try it.
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i guess it's one of those things like 'why doesn't every terran get a raven in every matchup' and 'why don't terrans use reapers more blah blah greater dps than mariner blah blah' that makes perfect sense to people who don't play terran, but are actually kinda hard/not great to do as terran
Stalkers, which you will have in spades with any Protoss Colossus based army, decimate Banshees, much faster than a gaggle of Vikings. Vikings can also be built using reactored Starports, Banshees cannot (sorry, no Tech Reactors in MP).
This is a bit of a misnomer. Stalkers take 9 shots to kill a viking and 14 shots to kill a banshee. It's the reduced range that means it's easier for Stalkers to get under the banshees. There are times when banshees are good though, like if you can get an angle above a cliff, or if the fight is over and you still have banshees left, they are much better than vikings during the "remaxing" period.
Just a quick note; misnomer means incorrect name. Misconception is probably what you meant.
Hmm, apparently Idra said that he thought Stephano was a maphacker before he went to offline tournaments, because he had perfect defense and excellent early game timings. He also said that he's the second best foreigner behind Stephano (haha yeah right Idra).
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I think that's a long list of europeans with one canadian stuffed in
i guess it's one of those things like 'why doesn't every terran get a raven in every matchup' and 'why don't terrans use reapers more blah blah greater dps than mariner blah blah' that makes perfect sense to people who don't play terran, but are actually kinda hard/not great to do as terran
It's not even that, the strategies are perfectly sound and acceptable...but completely unneeded because Marines murder everything. Humans will naturally go the path of least resistance, no matter how awesome the more difficult path tends to be. It's easier, even for a Pro, to just make a shit ton of tanks, marines and vikings, than it is to have to custom craft their unit comps like a Protoss does.
(And no, this is not a TvP bitch post, I think the balance is fine, just a very different way to play).
Stalkers, which you will have in spades with any Protoss Colossus based army, decimate Banshees, much faster than a gaggle of Vikings. Vikings can also be built using reactored Starports, Banshees cannot (sorry, no Tech Reactors in MP).
This is a bit of a misnomer. Stalkers take 9 shots to kill a viking and 14 shots to kill a banshee. It's the reduced range that means it's easier for Stalkers to get under the banshees. There are times when banshees are good though, like if you can get an angle above a cliff, or if the fight is over and you still have banshees left, they are much better than vikings during the "remaxing" period.
Just a quick note; misnomer means incorrect name. Misconception is probably what you meant.
Stalkers, which you will have in spades with any Protoss Colossus based army, decimate Banshees, much faster than a gaggle of Vikings. Vikings can also be built using reactored Starports, Banshees cannot (sorry, no Tech Reactors in MP).
This is a bit of a misnomer. Stalkers take 9 shots to kill a viking and 14 shots to kill a banshee. It's the reduced range that means it's easier for Stalkers to get under the banshees. There are times when banshees are good though, like if you can get an angle above a cliff, or if the fight is over and you still have banshees left, they are much better than vikings during the "remaxing" period.
Just a quick note; misnomer means incorrect name. Misconception is probably what you meant.
I was reasonable happy with everything right up until the major battle at 16min. Clearly I lost this pretty badly because of positioning but I don't really feel that I had much option beyond storming his front - I am pretty much maxed in terms of supply cap (190/190) so it feels like if I wait around for too long his army will just max out and crush mine.
This is how it goes in quite a lot of my TvP games, I hit supply can and then die to someone who has 40 supply less than me but the same size army. Am I building completely the wrong units or something?
Any input is much appreciated, I can almost taste gold!
There was a (short) period where Marine/Thor/Banshee off 2 base was really popular. Then people realized that Feedback/Storm/Archons crushed it and then no one did it anymore.
I can recall 2 GSL games, one on Daybreak where it lost to Zealot/Immortal/Templar, and one on Metropolis where it lost to Zealot/Stalker/Templar/Pheonix.
In this thread we learn it doesn't matter what he made, because he should have made marines.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
It's not really a misconception though. Stalkers violate banshees in horrible ways. Okay, so it takes 14 shots v. 9 for a viking...now multiply those numbers by the amount of vikings your going to have in an army ($texas size numbers) vs. how many banshees you're going to have (two or three). Not to mention that 14 shots is at 0 upgrades for the stalkers, and since as a P you should be ahead in upgrades, that should come down considerably until he gets to 3/3 vehicle upgrades (if he ever does), while you're going to have 3/3 stalker upgrades relatively fast (especially if you favor double forge against Terran...I do).
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This is a good post. +1, would read again.
I suppose I could be playing SC instead of watching SC, since I'm off work now...
may as well, uni's not getting any more expensive and he already has more than enough to pay for it so
This is a bit of a misnomer. Stalkers take 9 shots to kill a viking and 14 shots to kill a banshee. It's the reduced range that means it's easier for Stalkers to get under the banshees. There are times when banshees are good though, like if you can get an angle above a cliff, or if the fight is over and you still have banshees left, they are much better than vikings during the "remaxing" period.
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Air units don't benefit from high ground fog.
also the range thing is pretty important, positioning is soooooo important in tvp and a larger range makes it more forgiving on positional errors
and to commit to enough banshees to kill colo and stuff that matters off fast enough is hella money
but marine pretty good.
Stalker range is 6, banshee range is 6. If you are above a cliff, it limits the number of stalkers that will be able to return fire. It's a better strategy for vikings though, since they can get even farther away from the cliff edge.
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
So anyone seen this? The ui changes seem like they've been a long time coming.
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Just a quick note; misnomer means incorrect name. Misconception is probably what you meant.
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I think that's a long list of europeans with one canadian stuffed in
It's not even that, the strategies are perfectly sound and acceptable...but completely unneeded because Marines murder everything. Humans will naturally go the path of least resistance, no matter how awesome the more difficult path tends to be. It's easier, even for a Pro, to just make a shit ton of tanks, marines and vikings, than it is to have to custom craft their unit comps like a Protoss does.
(And no, this is not a TvP bitch post, I think the balance is fine, just a very different way to play).
e~ actually they are both P this time, and Stephano went carriers with Ra's blinkers.
Either is correct here.
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Edit: Here being that the designation of Stalkers as banshee decimators is incorrect.
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"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the Zerg stop droning."-Name redacted
That said, I am still really struggling with my TvP. Would anyone mind taking a look at this replay and let me know what I am doing wrong?
http://drop.sc/133345
I was reasonable happy with everything right up until the major battle at 16min. Clearly I lost this pretty badly because of positioning but I don't really feel that I had much option beyond storming his front - I am pretty much maxed in terms of supply cap (190/190) so it feels like if I wait around for too long his army will just max out and crush mine.
This is how it goes in quite a lot of my TvP games, I hit supply can and then die to someone who has 40 supply less than me but the same size army. Am I building completely the wrong units or something?
Any input is much appreciated, I can almost taste gold!
I can recall 2 GSL games, one on Daybreak where it lost to Zealot/Immortal/Templar, and one on Metropolis where it lost to Zealot/Stalker/Templar/Pheonix.
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trying to remember whether it was nada or forgg that did hellion/thor/banshee vs p on cloud kingdom last season of gsl
it didn't just instantly die to chargelots and templars and seems like it may have promise as a Thing To Do
can't remember the game exactly, hopefully someone else does
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Fair enough. It appears I misnomered that.
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I believe that was NaDa, but I don't remember the exact game.
Just a quick note, ESPORTS is trademarked. You probably meant ESPORTS™.
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
it was cloak banshees into a pretty strong timing if i recall correctly, it ended up being a pretty close game
Does that mean fading made a misnomer?
almost had to call in the esports™ lawyers then
you don't wanna meet esports™ lawyers
they're like normal lawyers, only with more reddit
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