So...I am embarassed to ask...but what is the proper response to a zerg stealing your nat when you're trying to ffe? Not that it happened to me or anything...it's totally for a friend...
well... first, don't let it finish. if you're ffe'ing make sure the canons can blast the hatch you're low ground pylon and forge should be done. you are in a much worse position if you let it finish, and a queen, drones and roaches pop out in order to make spines and an OL to start poking up your ramp.
basically force a cancel with canons. if you're ffe'ing you already have the tech and an extra canon or two isnt going to kill you.
it will however delay your expo, so making some units while your taking it down may not be a bad idea.
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Anyone here every made custom t-shirts? I'm looking into it and want to know some good sites to order from. Might be in bulk (~100) and will feature a large, full color image.
Thanks!
cafe press. there are others, prbly cheaper. if you order in bulk, you may find a local printing place to do it, but honestly, I would avoid investing in inventory.
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@Dhal: Reeeeewind to yesterday's "swarm host is boring" discussion - what would you consider "interesting"? Your contention that the area control being based on units was a mistake got me thinking - what about something like a Lair upgrade off the Spawning Pool, 200/150/45s, that allows spine crawlers to burrow (not *build*, mind, only re-burrow) off creep?
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@Dhal: Reeeeewind to yesterday's "swarm host is boring" discussion - what would you consider "interesting"? Your contention that the area control being based on units was a mistake got me thinking - what about something like a Lair upgrade off the Spawning Pool, 200/150/45s, that allows spine crawlers to burrow (not *build*, mind, only re-burrow) off creep?
I think Swarm hosts are pretty interesting. In high-level games, you won't be able to leave them on auto-generate. For the most part, you'll need to manually send out creeps in order to gain maximum efficiency. And you also will need to choose between sending in big waves (so burrowing them all at once) or sending continuous waves (burrowing them in sequence).
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So...I am embarassed to ask...but what is the proper response to a zerg stealing your nat when you're trying to ffe? Not that it happened to me or anything...it's totally for a friend...
Two canons is usually what you would commit to stopping that. Unless you get really flustered you will come out ahead. What the zerg will probably do is cancel his hatchery as soon as your second canon finishes, if not, use the canons to try and kill the hatch, then snipe the larvae. If you are FFE'ing he should never really be able to get the hatch up and producing units in your natural, so long as your second canon placement is good enough you should be fine.
I've done the hatch block a ton of times and haven't seen a proper response from a toss yet.
2 cannons simply lets you try to get back to your original BO sooner but doesn't really punish the zerg for the HUGE risk they just took.
I will regret saying this, but:
From the many times I've done it, the zerg delays either his pool or his natural by a big window. I would imagine the best toss response is to pylon block the natural and put at least 1 cannon down (prob. at most just one).
Then keep scouting the possible "fast third" spots to see if zergs take those as a fail safe.
From then, depending on how fast they take their natural back, a 1-base all-in would be your immediate concern for the next 5 minutes. You should be able to tell depending on how fast they take the natural back and what they sacrifice to do so.
Just pylon block the zergs ramp with 3 pylons and cannon that shit.
That won't work. It'll delay your 2 cannons in your nat needed to stop the hatch from finishing or kill it fast enough before it can spawn real annoying units.
You'll end up with cannons in his nat but lings / queen / or roaches in your face.
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why was I on 10 gates and 2 robos late game. who the FUCK knows.
why did I have 7 immortals on the field. WHO THE FUCK KNOWS.
why did I have 100 probes?!?! WHO. FUCKING. KNOWS.
why DIDN'T I HAVE A MOTHERSHIP AT 20 MINUTES INTO THE GAME.
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Hm. So you run your lings up a toss' ramp, there's no FFE. No expo. You see the standard gateway/cycore/1 zealot wall off. Other than that, silence.. What are you expecting here. 4 gate? DTs? Stargates? Blink stalkers? wtf
Hm. So you run your lings up a toss' ramp, there's no FFE. No expo. You see the standard gateway/cycore/1 zealot wall off. Other than that, silence.. What are you expecting here. 4 gate? DTs? Stargates? Blink stalkers? wtf
for me, it depends on the first 2 units, so use a couple lings to see what he's building.
zealot/zealot - some sort of gas build (dt, stargate)
zealot/stalker - 4gate or blink build
zealot/sentry - probably an expand build
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Hm. So you run your lings up a toss' ramp, there's no FFE. No expo. You see the standard gateway/cycore/1 zealot wall off. Other than that, silence.. What are you expecting here. 4 gate? DTs? Stargates? Blink stalkers? wtf
How in the fucking fuckety fuck do I beat aggressive tank-marine terrans, silver-gold level? They just annihilate all my shit, time and again! The tanks are out before mutas (mutas feel terrible zvt anyhoo :[ ) and any bare minimum of stutterstep micro on top of those 4 (or more) spread tanks will void any number of lings thrown at his map advancement.
I'm just at loss of what to do... That I don't really have the apm to deal with drops doesn't exactly make things more comfortable.
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well... first, don't let it finish. if you're ffe'ing make sure the canons can blast the hatch you're low ground pylon and forge should be done. you are in a much worse position if you let it finish, and a queen, drones and roaches pop out in order to make spines and an OL to start poking up your ramp.
basically force a cancel with canons. if you're ffe'ing you already have the tech and an extra canon or two isnt going to kill you.
it will however delay your expo, so making some units while your taking it down may not be a bad idea.
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cafe press. there are others, prbly cheaper. if you order in bulk, you may find a local printing place to do it, but honestly, I would avoid investing in inventory.
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I knew I was forgetting something.
Sorry, I've been exhausted the past few days. That led to me getting a fever at school yesterday, and I went home at 2 and basically was on and off sleeping til now. I think maybe 14 hours of sleep was had and I still feel kinda sick.
Actually what happened, is our little group got together, and then Mig showed up, and then Artosis stopped what he was doing at the booth to come talk to Mig and catch up with him.
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I think Swarm hosts are pretty interesting. In high-level games, you won't be able to leave them on auto-generate. For the most part, you'll need to manually send out creeps in order to gain maximum efficiency. And you also will need to choose between sending in big waves (so burrowing them all at once) or sending continuous waves (burrowing them in sequence).
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Artosis at the SotG panel seemed to have faith in Wolf, so I'm curious to see what he's like.
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I've done the hatch block a ton of times and haven't seen a proper response from a toss yet.
2 cannons simply lets you try to get back to your original BO sooner but doesn't really punish the zerg for the HUGE risk they just took.
I will regret saying this, but:
From the many times I've done it, the zerg delays either his pool or his natural by a big window. I would imagine the best toss response is to pylon block the natural and put at least 1 cannon down (prob. at most just one).
Then keep scouting the possible "fast third" spots to see if zergs take those as a fail safe.
From then, depending on how fast they take their natural back, a 1-base all-in would be your immediate concern for the next 5 minutes. You should be able to tell depending on how fast they take the natural back and what they sacrifice to do so.
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That won't work. It'll delay your 2 cannons in your nat needed to stop the hatch from finishing or kill it fast enough before it can spawn real annoying units.
You'll end up with cannons in his nat but lings / queen / or roaches in your face.
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In this post: Jaziek gets angry because he is terrible at the game. Same old same old.
why was I on 10 gates and 2 robos late game. who the FUCK knows.
why did I have 7 immortals on the field. WHO THE FUCK KNOWS.
why did I have 100 probes?!?! WHO. FUCKING. KNOWS.
why DIDN'T I HAVE A MOTHERSHIP AT 20 MINUTES INTO THE GAME.
GOD I FUCKING SUCK.
hatch cancel roach rush?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=287728
(15 "surprise" broods? Really... do you have any idea how long that takes to get out? That its literally 60 food sitting there?)
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that's like...your opinion, man
maybe you should push when he has roaches
rather than waiting the large amount of time it takes him to get 15 brolords
I lost because I saw 12 broods in the second to last engagement, still didn't put down a stargate.
Why do I do these things to myself. Do I enjoy losing?
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I am not sure how much I can say?...suffice to say, giant epic showmatch between two very popular players. @MMMig can give more details.
for me, it depends on the first 2 units, so use a couple lings to see what he's building.
zealot/zealot - some sort of gas build (dt, stargate)
zealot/stalker - 4gate or blink build
zealot/sentry - probably an expand build
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I'm just at loss of what to do... That I don't really have the apm to deal with drops doesn't exactly make things more comfortable.