Also, Mayhem as in black metal Mayhem, with Hatebreed??? ...
I believe so, @Absurðr. However, this was beginning of Winter 1997 and I admit that I'm not at all certain. I can assure you it was sXe hardcore band and trve, grim BM band. Either way, the crowd was pretty much an even split of huge/weird Heshers and crazy crew-bros.
EDIT: Wrong. I'm like 99.9% sure that it was a Misfits & Sick Of It All & H2O show, in reality. That actually makes waaaaaay more sense and is an actual show that I have found internet records of actually happening in November of 1997, unlike my (imagined) Mayhem/Hatebreed show. I do remember now that some of my Milwaukee friends were at a Mayhem show earlier that year (severed cow's head was mentioned, I believe), and I recall that I was kinda into the first Hatebreed release that came out that year. However, I was way more into Sick Of It All (I was even more into Black Flag, The Exploited and G.B.H.) which would have been the primary reason I was at that show to begin with.
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I'm not as keen on the direction Rotting Christ is taking in their last two, but their earlier stuff is great. And didn't Mustaine get them kicked off of a tour because of their name?
Everything 8.5 or higher is worth the money, 8.0 and up if you're already a fan of the style/artist Between 7-8 usually means something is decent or good but I wouldn't go out of my way for it. I just felt this was the most accurate way of ranking things, that there was a lot of stuff worth hearing or successful at what it set out to do, but not necessarily memorable or exemplary.
Buying everything 7.0 or higher would be expensive indeed!!! But again, the text is always more important than the score. I've had lots of people tell me that they seem to love albums I review around 6.5-7.0 and use the reviews for that reason...which is perfectly A.O.K. I've never met two metalheads that agree on everything, and I'm honored that people give something I write the time of day, even if their tastes do not align with my own. It's all for the love of the metals.
This is why I'll never get caught up with FtDR ... It is very expensive trying to keep up, but less so in digital format which, given the dirth of good CD shops anywhere near me, is pretty much how I get all my music.
I usually spring for as low as 7's because you and I rarely have the exact same rating and so I've come across too many gems at 7's to ignore! The exception being the disappointments from bands I really like that still rank 7's.
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I wish I could both awesome and agree on so many posts!! Those are not mutually exclusive conditions!
Edit: Can I get some tech thrash/prog thrash recommendations, please ... seriously ... anyone!! I have the following: Deathrow - Deception Ignored Watchtower - Control And Resistance Coroner - R.I.P., Punishment For Decadence, No More Color, Mental Vortex Artillery - Fear of Tomorrow, Terror Squad, By Inheritance, B.A.C.K., When Death Comes Toxik - Think This Realm - Endless War, Suiciety Terrahsphere - Third in Order of the Sun Obliveon - From This Day Forward, Nemesis, Cybervoid, Carnivore Mothermouth Mekong Delta - Lurking Fear, The Music Of Erich Zann, Wanderer On The Edge Of Time (yes, I'm working on getting the '87 s/t, and The Principle of Doubt Vektor - Demolition, Black Future, Outer Isolation
The Hunter album itself in a vacuum was pretty crappy... It sounded much better though when I heard them play it live. Not sure what I think about this new track yet. Overall though I kinda burnt myself out on Mastodon personally.
Interesting how vastly different their song writing is now.
The chugging riff at the intro sounds a bit like something off Leviathan, but I find myself disliking the vocal performances more and more as they grow as a band. And, that chorus... yeesh... awful.
That new Mastodon tune is alright, they seem to be driving the chorus parts into more radio friendly territory, at least on this one. More amusing are the comments on the SoundCloud posting. 'This part has a real black metal feel?' WTF? No, no it doesn't.
So it took me a few listens, but I'm really loving The Satanist, I dunno why I couldn't get behind it before, but there are days lately where I can't go without listening to it. It's right up there with Xanthochroid'sIncultus for being one of the greater albums of the past few years.
Heard the new track Titan, I think it's called, by Septicflesh my ears are still recoiling from the pure pleasure.
Also Back from Beyond by Massacre is pretty great also, They have a music video for their song Back from Beyond which I kind of stumbled on, i'd link it if it hasn't been already, but i'm at work. I like the aggressive feeling of the album so far.
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New Mastodon track - meh
Vocals channel the Melvin's in the verse and straightforward 80's hardrock on the chorus. Nothing too impressive there. I dunno, to my ears, it appears to be a very recycled, simplified version of what they used to do, maybe trying to (badly) increase their radio friendliness and cash in a bit. I don't find it heavy at all and to me it is devoid of any unique riffing or even catchy hooks. I'm already more bored than I was with Crack the Skye.
I really disliked the new Massacre album, but already covered that in a review. I felt it was incredibly lazy and derivative, also a little monotonous (though I was never a fan even on their 'classic' album).
The Satanist is the best DM album Behemoth has put out for sure. "Ora Pro Nobis Lucifer" has killer riffing and drumming. I wish all of their songs managed to be this driving and intense. All of their previous albums have individual songs or moments in songs that I can point to and say "that was awesome," but this is the first album that I listen to straight through and appreciate the holistic view.
Edit: Also, the vocals when Nergal is all like "this universe has never been enough" on "The Satanist" are so awesome.
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That new Mastodon tune is alright, they seem to be driving the chorus parts into more radio friendly territory, at least on this one. More amusing are the comments on the SoundCloud posting. 'This part has a real black metal feel?' WTF? No, no it doesn't.
Am I alone in my mild dislike for FFDP? I don't rabidly hate them, but I think the vocals are a bit played out. Oddly I didn't hate Volbeat at first, but they seem to be taking the same track now vocally. I dunno. Maybe I'm just old now.
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At the risk of coming off "rabid" - if the vocals were the only flaw they might be capable of redemption. Five Finger Death Punch fucking sucks on nearly every level, in basically the same way as Avenged Sevenfold, Kill Switch Engage, and Trivium, or Nu-Metal/Bro-Metal. Their music is soulless clone shit, dumbed down for mass consumption. Their unoriginal, unconvincingly executed crap just sucks down dollars that should go to better bands. Literally the only possible upside is if they happen to inspire one to check out metal bands that are actually good.
At the risk of coming off "rabid" - if the vocals were the only flaw they might be capable of redemption. Five Finger Death Punch fucking sucks on nearly every level, in basically the same way as Avenged Sevenfold, Kill Switch Engage, and Trivium, or Nu-Metal/Bro-Metal. Their music is soulless clone shit, dumbed down for mass consumption. Their unoriginal, unconvincingly executed crap just sucks down dollars that should go to better bands. Literally the only possible upside is if they happen to inspire one to check out metal bands that are actually good.
Let's not forget Hatebreed!
(I realise they're covered by the description, but I really dislike them.)
Need to listen to more of these guys. I have only have the one album of their's, but I absolutely love it.
They're one of my favourite live acts, and their live album is great. I really like how it gives a few older songs (Fuil Arsa and Gallows Hymn) a bit of added venom.
All the places that we've been
Through all the years
All our kin
Who feel and think like we do HEATHEN TRIBES
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I decided to check out the other Deathrow albums in a blind attemptt o satisfy my Technical Thrash hankering. Upon first listen, I'm pretty damn happy I finally gave them a go. Not far off the quality of Coroner and superior to most of Artillery's releases, except By Inheritance. A little sloppy in spots, a little derivative and goofy early on, and very 80's "bright" production (which is to be expected), but high quality Thrash nonetheless.
Five Finger Death Punch just fucking sucks. It's an indisputable fact, opinions don't even factor into the discussion. It's shit music for when 'Army of One' commercials stop sending Godsmack a paycheck.
I decided to check out the other Deathrow albums in a blind attemptt o satisfy my Technical Thrash hankering. Upon first listen, I'm pretty damn happy I finally gave them a go. Not far off the quality of Coroner and superior to most of Artillery's releases, except By Inheritance. A little sloppy in spots, a little derivative and goofy early on, and very 80's "bright" production (which is to be expected), but high quality Thrash nonetheless.
I actually think the first two Artillery releases are catchier than the old Deathrow discs, which are not technical and brilliant like Deception Ignored but nonetheless have that rough Teutonic charisma I so loved from the period. The worst Deathrow is the fourth and final album, not that it's particularly bad, but a staggering disappointment. But what WOULDN'T be a disappointment after Deception Ignored? I could double fist bottles of absinthe while being massaged by angels and it would be disappointing after that.
Also @TerribleMisathrope there is unfortunately not a wide variety of tech thrash.
Try Skeptic from Poland, a tech death/thrash hybrid. Or Theory in Practice, who are even more intense. Aspid from Russia.
The first few Psychotic Waltz or Sieges Even albums, not quite so 'thrash' but a little bit.
Also try the Spiral Architect album, it's essentially Watchtower 2.0 from Scandinavian all-stars.
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I will check that all out for sure, @autothrall. Thanks!
I agree: Life Beyond does not live up to Deception Ignored, but the step down from No Color to Mental Vortex was pretty big as well. Expectations matter a great deal in assessing any given experience, therefore I'm probably enjoying Life Beyond a good deal more than you because it is far better than I was anticipating, which is probably the opposite of how you encountered it.
Agreed, the first two Deathrow albums are Teutonic thrash cut from a mold we both love. While I didn't call it out explicitly, when I said "better than most", I was mentally assigning Artillery prior to By Inheritance rough equivalency to early Deathrow. However, Coroner prior to No Color is clearly the best back catalog of any Technical Thrash entity, at least in R.I.P., and Punishment For Decadence. If nothing else, those two incredible albums can actually lay claim to being brilliant Technical Thrash, but it is a stretch to call early Artillery or Deathrow such, though both of them have plenty of upside anyway as Thrash albums.
Oh hey, I was on MA and I found out that Coroner reformed and began touring again in 2010, riding a huge wave of popularity vastly eclipsing what they experienced before disbanding due to their cult status (thank you Internet). Who knows, maybe they'll find it in themselves to produce another great album or two at some point, although if they can't make a filler-free, brilliant album they should absolutely leave their incredible legacy intact and just tour their classics.
I won't hold out much hope for a new Coroner album, as I understood they were just reforming for fests and gigs, but hey wouldn't that be something? Someone from another blog interviewed Tommy a few years back, and he wasn't even aware that some of their albums had been repressed without the band's permission, and was not happy about that.
I'll have to agree to disagree: I still quite enjoy Mental Vortex, there are some brilliant songs on there that I still listen to all the time. "Pale Sister" is fuckin' amazing. The same for even Grin, that's where they dumbed it down for the groove/industrial metal aesthetic but I still like that album more than Life Beyond, which for me is pretty goofy and scatterbrained sounding.
I won't hold out much hope for a new Coroner album, as I understood they were just reforming for fests and gigs, but hey wouldn't that be something? Someone from another blog interviewed Tommy a few years back, and he wasn't even aware that some of their albums had been repressed without the band's permission, and was not happy about that.
Shit - that's a huge no-no. I'm sure he was pissed because they got 0 residuals from the re-pressings! I remember reading that Celtic Frost got fucked time and time again on that sort of bullshit. That leads me to the conclusion that Noise Records is a rather exploitative label and even if they used to support really good bands that is incredibly shitty behavior on their part. I'm not counting on Coroner producing anything new in the future either, but how fucking cool would that be?
I'll have to agree to disagree: I still quite enjoy Mental Vortex, there are some brilliant songs on there that I still listen to all the time. "Pale Sister" is fuckin' amazing. The same for even Grin, that's where they dumbed it down for the groove/industrial metal aesthetic but I still like that album more than Life Beyond, which for me is pretty goofy and scatterbrained sounding.
Nobody loses when we're all listening to 80s thrash metal!
Yeah, Noise, like most labels, had problems with a lot of its artists...bittersweet, because they alone were responsible for releasing about half the best European metal albums of the 80s.
Finally looked at the lyrics for the new Behemoth, turns out it's "Hence I transfix in bliss ov flagellation" and not "I transmit in peals of flatulation."
My lyrics are always better.
I'm seeing blurbs around that Anhedonist broke up, including on MA, but can't find the announcement. That's a bummer!
Dark Descent Records has a 4'x3' Mitochondrion Antinumerology flag that's kind of sick
At the risk of coming off "rabid" - if the vocals were the only flaw they might be capable of redemption. Five Finger Death Punch fucking sucks on nearly every level, in basically the same way as Avenged Sevenfold, Kill Switch Engage, and Trivium, or Nu-Metal/Bro-Metal. Their music is soulless clone shit, dumbed down for mass consumption. Their unoriginal, unconvincingly executed crap just sucks down dollars that should go to better bands. Literally the only possible upside is if they happen to inspire one to check out metal bands that are actually good.
I liked one of the Trivium albums before they became Metallica clones. KSE is ok at times but I won't go out of my way to listen to them.
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EDIT: Wrong. I'm like 99.9% sure that it was a Misfits & Sick Of It All & H2O show, in reality. That actually makes waaaaaay more sense and is an actual show that I have found internet records of actually happening in November of 1997, unlike my (imagined) Mayhem/Hatebreed show. I do remember now that some of my Milwaukee friends were at a Mayhem show earlier that year (severed cow's head was mentioned, I believe), and I recall that I was kinda into the first Hatebreed release that came out that year. However, I was way more into Sick Of It All (I was even more into Black Flag, The Exploited and G.B.H.) which would have been the primary reason I was at that show to begin with.
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I usually spring for as low as 7's because you and I rarely have the exact same rating and so I've come across too many gems at 7's to ignore! The exception being the disappointments from bands I really like that still rank 7's.
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I can't fuckin' believe we're getting a Septic Flesh AND Vader soon...also a new Impaled Nazarene, Mekong Delta, Holy Moses, among others.
Edit: Can I get some tech thrash/prog thrash recommendations, please ... seriously ... anyone!! I have the following:
Deathrow - Deception Ignored
Watchtower - Control And Resistance
Coroner - R.I.P., Punishment For Decadence, No More Color, Mental Vortex
Artillery - Fear of Tomorrow, Terror Squad, By Inheritance, B.A.C.K., When Death Comes
Toxik - Think This
Realm - Endless War, Suiciety
Terrahsphere - Third in Order of the Sun
Obliveon - From This Day Forward, Nemesis, Cybervoid, Carnivore Mothermouth
Mekong Delta - Lurking Fear, The Music Of Erich Zann, Wanderer On The Edge Of Time (yes, I'm working on getting the '87 s/t, and The Principle of Doubt
Vektor - Demolition, Black Future, Outer Isolation
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Interesting how vastly different their song writing is now.
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The chugging riff at the intro sounds a bit like something off Leviathan, but I find myself disliking the vocal performances more and more as they grow as a band. And, that chorus... yeesh... awful.
Heard the new track Titan, I think it's called, by Septicflesh my ears are still recoiling from the pure pleasure.
Also Back from Beyond by Massacre is pretty great also, They have a music video for their song Back from Beyond which I kind of stumbled on, i'd link it if it hasn't been already, but i'm at work. I like the aggressive feeling of the album so far.
Vocals channel the Melvin's in the verse and straightforward 80's hardrock on the chorus. Nothing too impressive there. I dunno, to my ears, it appears to be a very recycled, simplified version of what they used to do, maybe trying to (badly) increase their radio friendliness and cash in a bit. I don't find it heavy at all and to me it is devoid of any unique riffing or even catchy hooks. I'm already more bored than I was with Crack the Skye.
Count me out, but I'm already not a huge fan.
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I'm also still enjoying The Satanist!
New Primodial on the way later this year.
Edit: Also, the vocals when Nergal is all like "this universe has never been enough" on "The Satanist" are so awesome.
I blame SUN BAT HER.
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Let's not forget Hatebreed!
(I realise they're covered by the description, but I really dislike them.)
Need to listen to more of these guys. I have only have the one album of their's, but I absolutely love it.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/pablocampy
They're one of my favourite live acts, and their live album is great. I really like how it gives a few older songs (Fuil Arsa and Gallows Hymn) a bit of added venom.
All the places that we've been
Through all the years
All our kin
Who feel and think like we do
HEATHEN TRIBES
try this
I actually think the first two Artillery releases are catchier than the old Deathrow discs, which are not technical and brilliant like Deception Ignored but nonetheless have that rough Teutonic charisma I so loved from the period. The worst Deathrow is the fourth and final album, not that it's particularly bad, but a staggering disappointment. But what WOULDN'T be a disappointment after Deception Ignored? I could double fist bottles of absinthe while being massaged by angels and it would be disappointing after that.
Also @TerribleMisathrope there is unfortunately not a wide variety of tech thrash.
Try Skeptic from Poland, a tech death/thrash hybrid. Or Theory in Practice, who are even more intense.
Aspid from Russia.
The first few Psychotic Waltz or Sieges Even albums, not quite so 'thrash' but a little bit.
Also try the Spiral Architect album, it's essentially Watchtower 2.0 from Scandinavian all-stars.
I agree: Life Beyond does not live up to Deception Ignored, but the step down from No Color to Mental Vortex was pretty big as well. Expectations matter a great deal in assessing any given experience, therefore I'm probably enjoying Life Beyond a good deal more than you because it is far better than I was anticipating, which is probably the opposite of how you encountered it.
Agreed, the first two Deathrow albums are Teutonic thrash cut from a mold we both love. While I didn't call it out explicitly, when I said "better than most", I was mentally assigning Artillery prior to By Inheritance rough equivalency to early Deathrow. However, Coroner prior to No Color is clearly the best back catalog of any Technical Thrash entity, at least in R.I.P., and Punishment For Decadence. If nothing else, those two incredible albums can actually lay claim to being brilliant Technical Thrash, but it is a stretch to call early Artillery or Deathrow such, though both of them have plenty of upside anyway as Thrash albums.
Oh hey, I was on MA and I found out that Coroner reformed and began touring again in 2010, riding a huge wave of popularity vastly eclipsing what they experienced before disbanding due to their cult status (thank you Internet). Who knows, maybe they'll find it in themselves to produce another great album or two at some point, although if they can't make a filler-free, brilliant album they should absolutely leave their incredible legacy intact and just tour their classics.
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Edit: On a completely different topic (and this is not just for auto): I recently discovered a pretty good album of new Heavy/Speed Metal of the Occult variety. MA has their genre completely wrong, but check out Black Magic's debut: Wizard's Spell. Got the Satanic theme, along with pretty good riffs. The production is very appropriate and gives one the sense that Wizard's Spell is an 80's release that is only now seeing the light of day, yet this is a 2014 release. Here's a YouTube Playlist of the album:
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I'll have to agree to disagree: I still quite enjoy Mental Vortex, there are some brilliant songs on there that I still listen to all the time. "Pale Sister" is fuckin' amazing. The same for even Grin, that's where they dumbed it down for the groove/industrial metal aesthetic but I still like that album more than Life Beyond, which for me is pretty goofy and scatterbrained sounding.
It's all good: eye of the beholder and all that.
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Yeah, Noise, like most labels, had problems with a lot of its artists...bittersweet, because they alone were responsible for releasing about half the best European metal albums of the 80s.
Holy fuck!! I'm getting super pumped up about the new Sceptic Flesh!!!
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Edit: Damn it, I still haven't listened to that album yet.
They're incredibly nice guys with nothing but time for their fans.
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My lyrics are always better.
I'm seeing blurbs around that Anhedonist broke up, including on MA, but can't find the announcement. That's a bummer!
Dark Descent Records has a 4'x3' Mitochondrion Antinumerology flag that's kind of sick
I liked one of the Trivium albums before they became Metallica clones. KSE is ok at times but I won't go out of my way to listen to them.
also wow that chorus is bad. Hunter grew on me, but this is more curl of the burl garbage