The hair beneath the visor was a squirrel's nest of dirty straw, and her face ... Brienne's eyes were large and very blue, a young girl's eyes, trusting and guileless, but the rest... her features were broad and coarse, her teeth prominent and crooked, her mouth too wide, her lips so plump they seemed swollen. A thousand freckles speckled her cheeks and brow, and her nose had been broken more than once.
So no, she wasn't pretty, but noble knights don't need to be.
Huh, when I read that it sounded like she looked fine - freckles, nice eyes, full lips, short blond hair... that could be someone pretty. But I don't think that is what the characters whose narratives we are following want to see because she isn't conforming to their standards for the female role in their culture.
You missed broad and coarse features, big crooked teeth, too wide mouth, and the lips thing doesn't mean full lips, it means she looks like her lips have been hit with a bee sting even when she's perfectly fine.
It's okay that the character was written to be ugly. There's nothing wrong with ugly people. She's a badass character.
I didn't miss it. It just strikes me as a description that could easily be some people I played sports like floor/street hockey, soccer, volley ball, basketball, and what not with growing up. Sure, they weren't models trying to use their attractive first glance features to sell a product line, but they weren't "ugly" either.
I'm ok with the character being written as considerably less attractive than those characters renowned specifically for being attractive but I do find it fascinating with how Brienne is seen as extra repulsive for her warrior position in her society where power structures are delineated along specific roles for men and women and how this is contrasted against neighbouring societies where this is not the case. Tormund's infatuation in this context alone was delightful but clearly for more reasons than just that and one of the few things in which I regard the show better than the book, but IIRC, in the book Jamie seemed to be taken to a degree with her as well, we don't seem to be getting that arc and others in the show
If Brienne had been born in a modern society, she would no doubt be more attractive than her book version. Hair could be fixed up with halfway decent shampoo. Teeth would be better with some modern dental care. A doctor likely could've done something to help her broken nose heal properly. Horribly swollen lips? She's a freckled blonde in a world that has been in summer for ten straight years; her lips are probably sunburned to hell and back. SPF lip balm (and also regular seasons) would help that. Generally and overall, I suspect people are better looking now than in medieval times for reasons like that.
Speaking of Rains of Castamere, my wedding cleared out kinda early (Sunday, lots of families with kids at home or work the next day) so it basically ended up with just a few of the locals and the out of town folks (so, some family, and a couple high school friends, but most of the family had also ducked out because they were traveling early the next day).
One of my friends asked the DJ to play the Rains of Castamere and he did :V
This woman has a peculiar look on most characters. Didn't care about Oberyn, so trial was a nonissue until Tywin announced the sentence (nononononononono was the response). She hates Thormund, which I just can't abide, but I think she'll warm up after Hardhome. Maergery is despised as a cold manipulator, which I guess is fair when I think about it, but she isn't a mean one, so whatever.
We're about halfway through season 4 now and she's hit that point. You know the one. Where everyone stops rooting for the characters they like and start actively rooting against the characters they hate.
Oh, the Brienne Hound fight! She was yelling at the tv "Neither of you are allowed to kill each other! STOP IT!" She is gonna love that cold open.
She made the mistake of saying she loved Jon Snow. This fall is a far one.
When Walda announced her pregnancy, she grinned and laughed at Ramsey. I've contemplated sharing some CKII stories with her to explain the finer points of hereditary inheritance with ambitious heirs.
She danced through the house for an hour after the Purple Wedding.
I kept reminding her she was celebrating the painful murder of a child.
"Fuck that kid." was her response.
Game of Thrones: Where we see three weddings, two of them involve murder, two of them are sad, but one murder wedding isn't a sad wedding.
It's not a GoT wedding without someone dying.
I was going to argue that I don't remember anyone dying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding but then I realized they both died inside enough that it probably adds up to a person.
She danced through the house for an hour after the Purple Wedding.
I kept reminding her she was celebrating the painful murder of a child.
"Fuck that kid." was her response.
Game of Thrones: Where we see three weddings, two of them involve murder, two of them are sad, but one murder wedding isn't a sad wedding.
It's not a GoT wedding without someone dying.
I was going to argue that I don't remember anyone dying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding but then I realized they both died inside enough that it probably adds up to a person.
We saw lots of weddings... Danny/Drogo, Robb/Whatsherface, The Red Wedding, Tyrion/Sansa, the Purple Wedding... Did we see anything with Littlefinger and Lysa?
She danced through the house for an hour after the Purple Wedding.
I kept reminding her she was celebrating the painful murder of a child.
"Fuck that kid." was her response.
Game of Thrones: Where we see three weddings, two of them involve murder, two of them are sad, but one murder wedding isn't a sad wedding.
It's not a GoT wedding without someone dying.
I was going to argue that I don't remember anyone dying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding but then I realized they both died inside enough that it probably adds up to a person.
They have to have those characters meet up again.
I could 100% see Sansa and Tyrion choosing marriage to secure peace between The North and King's Landing if/when Cersei is overthrown and/or Dany takes over, especially if Sansa secures independence for The North through that marriage.
She knows Tyrion is smart as well as kind, she knows Cersei despises him and would presumably find out he's allied with her enemy, she knows he would never hurt her intentionally and in the eyes of the law as well as history it would mean her marriage to the last Lord Bolton had never been.
We saw lots of weddings... Danny/Drogo, Robb/Whatsherface, The Red Wedding, Tyrion/Sansa, the Purple Wedding... Did we see anything with Littlefinger and Lysa?
She danced through the house for an hour after the Purple Wedding.
I kept reminding her she was celebrating the painful murder of a child.
"Fuck that kid." was her response.
Game of Thrones: Where we see three weddings, two of them involve murder, two of them are sad, but one murder wedding isn't a sad wedding.
It's not a GoT wedding without someone dying.
I was going to argue that I don't remember anyone dying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding but then I realized they both died inside enough that it probably adds up to a person.
They have to have those characters meet up again.
I could 100% see Sansa and Tyrion choosing marriage to secure peace between The North and King's Landing if/when Cersei is overthrown and/or Dany takes over, especially if Sansa secures independence for The North through that marriage.
She knows Tyrion is smart as well as kind, she knows Cersei despises him and would presumably find out he's allied with her enemy, she knows he would never hurt her intentionally and in the eyes of the law as well as history it would mean her marriage to the last Lord Bolton had never been.
Idk, the fact that he isn't an awful human being, and was in fact kind to her, appeared to be lost on her. She was too concerned with him being a dwarf and "hideous".
She danced through the house for an hour after the Purple Wedding.
I kept reminding her she was celebrating the painful murder of a child.
"Fuck that kid." was her response.
Game of Thrones: Where we see three weddings, two of them involve murder, two of them are sad, but one murder wedding isn't a sad wedding.
It's not a GoT wedding without someone dying.
I was going to argue that I don't remember anyone dying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding but then I realized they both died inside enough that it probably adds up to a person.
They have to have those characters meet up again.
I could 100% see Sansa and Tyrion choosing marriage to secure peace between The North and King's Landing if/when Cersei is overthrown and/or Dany takes over, especially if Sansa secures independence for The North through that marriage.
She knows Tyrion is smart as well as kind, she knows Cersei despises him and would presumably find out he's allied with her enemy, she knows he would never hurt her intentionally and in the eyes of the law as well as history it would mean her marriage to the last Lord Bolton had never been.
Idk, the fact that he isn't an awful human being, and was in fact kind to her, appeared to be lost on her. She was too concerned with him being a dwarf and "hideous".
No, she defends him to her Aunt Lysa when she asks if he raped her and goes on to talk about how disgusting he is. Heck, even before the wedding she was admitting to Margaery that he'd always been kind to her and shut up complaining as soon as she was reminded that Margaery was marryi Joffrey instead.
Sansa's been through Ramsay since her marriage to Tyrion. She may feel differently about him, or she may never want to be with another man again. I doubt she'd feel the same as she used to.
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Sansa's been through Ramsay since her marriage to Tyrion. She may feel differently about him, or she may never want to be with another man again. I doubt she'd feel the same as she used to.
Tyrion is the only person that has ever treated Sansa with a bit of respect outside of her family.
I think it'd be interesting to see how much they've changed over the course of the series.
She danced through the house for an hour after the Purple Wedding.
I kept reminding her she was celebrating the painful murder of a child.
"Fuck that kid." was her response.
Game of Thrones: Where we see three weddings, two of them involve murder, two of them are sad, but one murder wedding isn't a sad wedding.
It's not a GoT wedding without someone dying.
I was going to argue that I don't remember anyone dying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding but then I realized they both died inside enough that it probably adds up to a person.
They have to have those characters meet up again.
I could 100% see Sansa and Tyrion choosing marriage to secure peace between The North and King's Landing if/when Cersei is overthrown and/or Dany takes over, especially if Sansa secures independence for The North through that marriage.
She knows Tyrion is smart as well as kind, she knows Cersei despises him and would presumably find out he's allied with her enemy, she knows he would never hurt her intentionally and in the eyes of the law as well as history it would mean her marriage to the last Lord Bolton had never been.
Idk, the fact that he isn't an awful human being, and was in fact kind to her, appeared to be lost on her. She was too concerned with him being a dwarf and "hideous".
Maybe book Sansa but show Sansa doesn't seem to blame him despite having every reason to be angry and upset.
The show even showed them getting on quite well right before they found out about the Red Wedding.
Book Sansa from memory was a bit more split. In her more logical moments I don't think she really blames him but it's a fucked up situation and it does get to her.
It's been years since I've read the books and now I'm catching up on the show. I'm getting super confused because my memories of the books are informing my expectations of the show.
I just finished Season 3. Does A Storm of Swords bleed into Season 4?
HUGE book 3 maybe book 4 spoilers:
Doesn't A Storm of Swords end with Tyrion killing Tywin and escaping, and Varys leaves too?
She danced through the house for an hour after the Purple Wedding.
I kept reminding her she was celebrating the painful murder of a child.
"Fuck that kid." was her response.
Game of Thrones: Where we see three weddings, two of them involve murder, two of them are sad, but one murder wedding isn't a sad wedding.
It's not a GoT wedding without someone dying.
I was going to argue that I don't remember anyone dying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding but then I realized they both died inside enough that it probably adds up to a person.
They have to have those characters meet up again.
I could 100% see Sansa and Tyrion choosing marriage to secure peace between The North and King's Landing if/when Cersei is overthrown and/or Dany takes over, especially if Sansa secures independence for The North through that marriage.
She knows Tyrion is smart as well as kind, she knows Cersei despises him and would presumably find out he's allied with her enemy, she knows he would never hurt her intentionally and in the eyes of the law as well as history it would mean her marriage to the last Lord Bolton had never been.
Idk, the fact that he isn't an awful human being, and was in fact kind to her, appeared to be lost on her. She was too concerned with him being a dwarf and "hideous".
Maybe book Sansa but show Sansa doesn't seem to blame him despite having every reason to be angry and upset.
The show even showed them getting on quite well right before they found out about the Red Wedding.
Book Sansa from memory was a bit more split. In her more logical moments I don't think she really blames him but it's a fucked up situation and it does get to her.
I mean, he was a kind jailer, but she was still a prisoner.
That he felt kinda guilty about it doesn't really change that basic fact
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
I haven't read the books, but in the show Tyrion is every bit as forced into the marriage as Sansa. He then proceeds to extend his protection as her high-ranking-Lannister husband to protect her from everyone else, and to treat her well in private. She has no reason to blame him or resent him. Quite the opposite I would say.
Which means that, ironically enough, Tyrion and Sansa could become what Tywin wanted all along, the foundation for a stronger relationship between the North and the South after the war. It just won't happen at all the way he planned it.
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If Brienne had been born in a modern society, she would no doubt be more attractive than her book version. Hair could be fixed up with halfway decent shampoo. Teeth would be better with some modern dental care. A doctor likely could've done something to help her broken nose heal properly. Horribly swollen lips? She's a freckled blonde in a world that has been in summer for ten straight years; her lips are probably sunburned to hell and back. SPF lip balm (and also regular seasons) would help that. Generally and overall, I suspect people are better looking now than in medieval times for reasons like that.
A vulgar tsunami.
I'm pretty sure she's not actually paying attention to any scene with Joffrey in it anymore, since it is hard to hear the tv over her swearing at him.
PSN : Bolthorn
I kept reminding her she was celebrating the painful murder of a child.
"Fuck that kid." was her response.
One of my friends asked the DJ to play the Rains of Castamere and he did :V
Welp, less than a season before he has her mind blown by that trial by combat.
Game of Thrones: Where we see three weddings, two of them involve murder, two of them are sad, but one murder wedding isn't a sad wedding.
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Is Brynden Tully the only funeral we've seen on screen? I've been trying to figure out if the show might actually end on four weddings and a funeral.
How the hell did I forget that one?!
We're about halfway through season 4 now and she's hit that point. You know the one. Where everyone stops rooting for the characters they like and start actively rooting against the characters they hate.
Oh, the Brienne Hound fight! She was yelling at the tv "Neither of you are allowed to kill each other! STOP IT!" She is gonna love that cold open.
She made the mistake of saying she loved Jon Snow. This fall is a far one.
When Walda announced her pregnancy, she grinned and laughed at Ramsey. I've contemplated sharing some CKII stories with her to explain the finer points of hereditary inheritance with ambitious heirs.
It's not a GoT wedding without someone dying.
I was going to argue that I don't remember anyone dying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding but then I realized they both died inside enough that it probably adds up to a person.
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They have to have those characters meet up again.
The actor from the "The Work Outing" (the one with the play "Gay") episode in The IT Crowd? Looks like him.
I could 100% see Sansa and Tyrion choosing marriage to secure peace between The North and King's Landing if/when Cersei is overthrown and/or Dany takes over, especially if Sansa secures independence for The North through that marriage.
She knows Tyrion is smart as well as kind, she knows Cersei despises him and would presumably find out he's allied with her enemy, she knows he would never hurt her intentionally and in the eyes of the law as well as history it would mean her marriage to the last Lord Bolton had never been.
No, we just heard the honeymoon.
Good eye, yes it is him, Jamie Michie.
Idk, the fact that he isn't an awful human being, and was in fact kind to her, appeared to be lost on her. She was too concerned with him being a dwarf and "hideous".
No, she defends him to her Aunt Lysa when she asks if he raped her and goes on to talk about how disgusting he is. Heck, even before the wedding she was admitting to Margaery that he'd always been kind to her and shut up complaining as soon as she was reminded that Margaery was marryi Joffrey instead.
Tyrion is the only person that has ever treated Sansa with a bit of respect outside of her family.
I think it'd be interesting to see how much they've changed over the course of the series.
Maybe book Sansa but show Sansa doesn't seem to blame him despite having every reason to be angry and upset.
The show even showed them getting on quite well right before they found out about the Red Wedding.
Book Sansa from memory was a bit more split. In her more logical moments I don't think she really blames him but it's a fucked up situation and it does get to her.
Cool, thanks.
HUGE book 3 maybe book 4 spoilers:
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Everything makes more sense now.
The actor is great because I almost forget it's a role he's playing.
Aren't we over this by now? Do we really have to rehash that the show and book are different things every few pages?
or maybe he just had enough and 'everybody thinks I'm a sadistic little shit now' was a good excuse
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
He didn't "have to give up", he was always planning to retire to focus on his studies. He's since done some theater.
Yeah, I think as early as the first season commentaries Lena Headley mentions him stopping acting after the series to go to med school or something.
I mean, he was a kind jailer, but she was still a prisoner.
That he felt kinda guilty about it doesn't really change that basic fact
Either way, they do need to meet up again.
Which means that, ironically enough, Tyrion and Sansa could become what Tywin wanted all along, the foundation for a stronger relationship between the North and the South after the war. It just won't happen at all the way he planned it.