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[Nintendo] Finished Zelda? Why don't you play...hang on, gimme a second...

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    edited February 2017
    darunia106 wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
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    I love all the metroids but super is definitely the strongest of all them. There's no hand holding, no data logs explaining what something is, and no nav pointer showing you where to go next.

    That all lends itself to and strengthen what metroid is: navigating an unknown, hostile, and strange alien world all by yourself.

    Also I hate shinespark puzzles. They're the only reason I haven't 100%'d a single 2d metroid.

    they're a lot easier in super Metroid if you learn the short charge (which you should, it's real easy)

    My laziness and stubbornness advise me to refuse your offer.

    but there's only one time you even need it!

    Wait... Which part?

    there's a missile tank in Maridia you can only get with a vertical shinespark, and if you can't short charge it's a pain in the dick because you have to build a charge in the next room then run over and blah blah blah

    with a short charge you just do the thing, it's easy

    that's the only time in the game that you "need" it, everything else can be traversed either with a standard long charge vertical shinespark or other items entirely

    Okay I've definitely gotten that one at some point. I guess I haven't hunkered down and gotten everything on one playthrough. All the other shinespark puzzles can die in a fire.

    yeah I actually agree with you, the really elaborate shinespark sequences you have to do in fusion and zero mission really bug me, but there actually aren't any of those in super Metroid that you have to do in order to collect all the items

    that one missile tank in Maridia is really the closest it has (assuming you aren't also trying to speedrun it)

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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    What Fusion ends up doing isn't all that different from Metroid Prime's hint system (Except you get it up front) the way the game goes about it

    It's mostly a vehicle to make you go "Shit, i can't just walk up to the door can i" and then the exploration happens

    Except you can turn off Metroid Prime's hints

    And you can just wander in Metroid Prime instead of having the doors lock behind you every time.

    Fusion's good, but it's way handholdier than Prime, even with the hints on.

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    replacewythyreplacewythy Registered User regular
    I think Fusion's a good game in its own right, but it's not really what I want from a Metroid game.

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    Fusion was my first Metroid, so all the hints were nice.

    They don't really bother me on replays either.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Fusion is a decontamination mission and they're trying to hide their metroid farm. It makes sense that they direct Samus places

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    SaraLunaSaraLuna Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    that there's an in-game lore justification for it doesn't excuse the fact that the first half+ of the game ignores the series' core gameplay in a very annoying way

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    What Fusion ends up doing isn't all that different from Metroid Prime's hint system (Except you get it up front) the way the game goes about it

    It's mostly a vehicle to make you go "Shit, i can't just walk up to the door can i" and then the exploration happens

    in metroid prime's defense you can (and I do) turn off the hint system even before you start the game, fusion can't because it's part of the narrative

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    masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    I mean i get it, Fusion is more linear in basic structure, that's a fact

    But i love how it uses that to make it feel like stuff is constantly falling apart and going off the rails, it's so goooooooooood

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    the fact that there's an in-game lore justification for it doesn't excuse the fact that the first half of the game ignores the series' core gameplay in a very annoying way
    Its not just lore
    They were trying to incorporate story elements with the gameplay.

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    i have never done and will never do a shinespark in a metroid game

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    i have never done and will never do a shinespark in a metroid game

    they feel really satisfying though

    like along with the screw attack they're one of the main ways you're reminded that, goddamn, that powersuit can do some crazy shit

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    i have never done and will never do a shinespark in a metroid game

    You must not have played Super Metroid.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    i have never done and will never do a shinespark in a metroid game

    c'mon man, you want to be a cool bounty hunter right
    jus ta bit of shine spark and you'll be cool

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    some of the shinespark puzzles look pretty slick when you do them right

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    CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    The secret way you could kill that one boss using the grapple beam in Super Metroid blew my mind back in 94 or whenever that game came out.

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    CharmyCharmy Registered User regular
    Ceno wrote: »
    The secret way you could kill that one boss using the grapple beam in Super Metroid blew my mind back in 94 or whenever that game came out.

    It's absolutely my favourite part of any Metroid game.

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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    Wyvern wrote: »
    I LOVED super playing it for the first time a few years ago

    I loaded up Fusion and it told me where to go to find missiles and I turned the game off

    Which is monstrously unfair of me but it was just immediately apparent that it wasn't gonna be quite what I loved about super
    It took me many years to appreciate why Fusion was good.

    Of particular note: the player and Samus at least form a united front of "FUCK this bullshit!"

    My favorite thing about Fusion is easily SA-X, who holds a pretty high space in my list of best "NOPE" bosses in video games.

    They straight-up give you a chance to ambush her, early on, for the sole purpose of letting you know that you don't have a god damn chance in hell of beating her, so you need to stay the fuck out of her way.

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    Care Free BombCare Free Bomb Registered User regular
    I felt like people sold me on SA-X being a terrifying thing stalking after you but all of its appearances are completely scripted and I was a bit disappointed.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Ceno wrote: »
    The secret way you could kill that one boss using the grapple beam in Super Metroid blew my mind back in 94 or whenever that game came out.

    this is literally the only Cool Metroid Thing that I discovered completely on my own

    I had the grapple beam and I used it on everything because I thought it was the coolest thing ever invented and I looked at Draygon and those sparky things on the walls and was like, "hah, that's just dumb enough to work!"

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    I've beaten Fusion a bunch of times and I STILL get terrified every time SA-X shows up.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    Virtual Console will not be available at launch

    but Fast RMX and Shovel Knight + Specter of Torment will be

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    I assumed as much given that not only haven't they really talked about VC, but when directly asked they deflect.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Virtual Console will not be available at launch

    but Fast RMX and Shovel Knight + Specter of Torment will be

    VC is never available at launch though. E shop is probably a higher priority

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Plus, they gotta stagger re-releasing the same games again over the next 3+ years

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Has a launch lineup ever changed as much as the Switch one

    Not complaining though, hell yes I will get Shovel Knight day 1

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    It's weird to me how many basically last-minute changes there have been. It's two weeks away, how are these not locked down?

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    It's weird to me how many basically last-minute changes there have been. It's two weeks away, how are these not locked down?

    Who knows if it's actually changing, though!

    They might just be doing an ungodly slow rollout on dates

    Snipperclips is supposed to be out in March

    March is 5 days away

    When in March?

    Don't know!

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    It's honestly really hard to tell if they've done a really bad job managing schedules or a really good job keeping secrets

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It's weird to me how many basically last-minute changes there have been. It's two weeks away, how are these not locked down?

    Who knows if it's actually changing, though!

    They might just be doing an ungodly slow rollout on dates

    Snipperclips is supposed to be out in March

    March is 5 days away

    When in March?

    Don't know!

    I was thinking more of the stuff that dropped, I guess. I could see Yacht Club shooting for launch but not being sure they could make it and hedging their beds with a vague date.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    It's honestly really hard to tell if they've done a really bad job managing schedules or a really good job keeping secrets

    Zag on em

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »

    I'm hoping that patch fixes it but even so these seem like pretty major firmware bugs to make it to production.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    They detailed the day-1 update, and it's to add/activate all the online features, so unless they're sneaking that fix in there, the Joycons might just be bad?

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    They detailed the day-1 update, and it's to add/activate all the online features, so unless they're sneaking that fix in there, the Joycons might just be bad?

    There's no reason it can't also contain firmware fixes.

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    I wonder if its just dropping out with the grip, or also without. the language is a little unclear

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Nintendo will be having a Direct specifically to showcase indie games on Tuesday at noon eastern

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Nintendo will be having a Direct specifically to showcase indie games on Tuesday at noon eastern

    I hope they keep up this push for Indie support. From the reports of how easy the Switch is to develop for, I'm really excited at the prospect of the Switch being the big Indie Console.

    Imagine: Super Shovel Knight, published by Nintendo!

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    The consensus from the coverage I've read is it's the best hardware Nintendo has ever made, too bad there's nothing to do with it

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Yeah nothing to do with it. Just play video games.

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    I understand the impetus to defend a console you want but it is not making a false narrative that the console is launching with a dearth of exciting games.

    That's subjective, and if what you're looking for is first party nintendo games, they're not there.

    Like, Shovel Knight? I own that, I played that two years ago. I don't care. BotW? I have a Wii U and would rather just buy that. I don't want a re-release of Mario Kart that I already own or a re-release of Smash that I already own.

    Splatoon 2 is interesting but I have Splatoon and it didn't have legs for me. That leaves Mario, at Christmas.

    Other people may be excited for what is coming out, but based on the coverage I've seen, I'm really really not. I would classify that console as a piece of hardware with very little content. Nintendo separates themselves in the market as the only place to play nintendo games. That's what I'm looking for.

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