Cheers man. One of the comments on the ars article says the podcast is up, but I followed the link and can't seem to find it (the most recent keynote podcast according to iTunes was released in march this year). He also mentioned that it was something like 1.3gig, so I think I might have to wait till I'm back at uni and grab it with their internet.
I just updated to it and so far so good. Landscape texts and emails are nice. Finally having copy and paste is nice. The search is pretty useful. Haven't messed around with much else yet.
I have it as well but I borked all my apps before installing it so no fun there. And Rogers won't turn on tethering till the 17th
But has anyone else been able to download more then 10 megs over 3g?
So O2 customers in the UK won't have to pay extra for the MMS service (but they will cost about 4x as much as a regular text message to send).
Thethering is going to be a bolt on starting at £15 a month for 3GB. All tethering bolt-ons are going to include unlimited access to The Cloud wi-fi hotspots in the UK.
I just updated to it and so far so good. Landscape texts and emails are nice. Finally having copy and paste is nice. The search is pretty useful. Haven't messed around with much else yet.
I have it as well but I borked all my apps before installing it so no fun there. And Rogers won't turn on tethering till the 17th
But has anyone else been able to download more then 10 megs over 3g?
Rogers gets tethering? Sweet. I will finally be able to utilize that 6 GB plan without jail breaking.
Cheers man. One of the comments on the ars article says the podcast is up, but I followed the link and can't seem to find it (the most recent keynote podcast according to iTunes was released in march this year). He also mentioned that it was something like 1.3gig, so I think I might have to wait till I'm back at uni and grab it with their internet.
Thanks again.
You might try again; I downloaded it via the Podcast two days ago. So it should be up there.
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I just updated to it and so far so good. Landscape texts and emails are nice. Finally having copy and paste is nice. The search is pretty useful. Haven't messed around with much else yet.
I have it as well but I borked all my apps before installing it so no fun there. And Rogers won't turn on tethering till the 17th
But has anyone else been able to download more then 10 megs over 3g?
Rogers gets tethering? Sweet. I will finally be able to utilize that 6 GB plan without jail breaking.
Cheers man. One of the comments on the ars article says the podcast is up, but I followed the link and can't seem to find it (the most recent keynote podcast according to iTunes was released in march this year). He also mentioned that it was something like 1.3gig, so I think I might have to wait till I'm back at uni and grab it with their internet.
Thanks again.
You might try again; I downloaded it via the Podcast two days ago. So it should be up there.
Hmmm... this is just frustrating, and I must be making some stupid little mistake somewhere. So I'll go through my steps.
For the leaked OS 3.0, can that be installed on an iPod Touch? That's seems pretty shady considering Apple makes one pay for the update (which is shady itself). Assuming you could get the update installed from the torrent that's out there, what happens with any future updates, will it update automatically and there won't be any message from Apple along the lines of "Pay $10 or you can't use the Touch?"
For the leaked OS 3.0, can that be installed on an iPod Touch? That's seems pretty shady considering Apple makes one pay for the update (which is shady itself). Assuming you could get the update installed from the torrent that's out there, what happens with any future updates, will it update automatically and there won't be any message from Apple along the lines of "Pay $10 or you can't use the Touch?"
i don't really see how they would know any different, and its not like they would lock you out of device even if they did
For the leaked OS 3.0, can that be installed on an iPod Touch? That's seems pretty shady considering Apple makes one pay for the update (which is shady itself). Assuming you could get the update installed from the torrent that's out there, what happens with any future updates, will it update automatically and there won't be any message from Apple along the lines of "Pay $10 or you can't use the Touch?"
i don't really see how they would know any different, and its not like they would lock you out of device even if they did
You have to look for the right image, but it does exist. There are 3 different 3.0 images floating around, one for iPhone 2G, one for iPhone 3G, one For iPod touch. If you actually look at the guides for installing, they'll tell you which one is for the iPod touch.
Don't install the wrong one. You run a high risk of bricking the device.
I'm honestly just going to wait for the final release. it's 6 days away. The versions floating around aren't even the 100% final release, and contain markers in them that indicate to apple that it's the developer final release, which is different than the "retail" final release.
Honestly I don't think I'd chance it with any kind of firmware from a mysterious torrent. I really don't want to pay Apple $10 to supposedly keep their accounting department Sarbanes-Oxley-compliant, but I'm definitely not going to flash my shiny little device with something that fell off of Mininova.
I'm on the fence on OS 3.0. if I spend the $10, that will be $40 I've shelled out for software updates. The previous two were worth it to me, but OS 3.0 doesn't seem to have much that I would use, at least right off the bat.
I'm sure I'll get it eventually but maybe not right out of the gate.
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I'm on the fence on OS 3.0. if I spend the $10, that will be $40 I've shelled out for software updates. The previous two were worth it to me, but OS 3.0 doesn't seem to have much that I would use, at least right off the bat.
I'm sure I'll get it eventually but maybe not right out of the gate.
Push notifications, especially with IM, are worth $10 alone to me. I use my iPod Touch as an IM Machine a lot around the house. IT would be nice to have the notifications when I get a new message.
So O2 customers in the UK won't have to pay extra for the MMS service (but they will cost about 4x as much as a regular text message to send).
Thethering is going to be a bolt on starting at £15 a month for 3GB. All tethering bolt-ons are going to include unlimited access to The Cloud wi-fi hotspots in the UK.
The Cloud thing could be pretty useful. Time to drag the laptop to the nearest Wetherspoon's...
Honestly I don't think I'd chance it with any kind of firmware from a mysterious torrent. I really don't want to pay Apple $10 to supposedly keep their accounting department Sarbanes-Oxley-compliant, but I'm definitely not going to flash my shiny little device with something that fell off of Mininova.
I'm fairly sure iTunes verified the file with Apple's servers. Your safe as long as your iPhone / iPod is not being flashed by a 3rd party app while in DFU mode. This is why you cant jailbreak with iTunes.
So O2 customers in the UK won't have to pay extra for the MMS service (but they will cost about 4x as much as a regular text message to send).
Thethering is going to be a bolt on starting at £15 a month for 3GB. All tethering bolt-ons are going to include unlimited access to The Cloud wi-fi hotspots in the UK.
The Cloud thing could be pretty useful. Time to drag the laptop to the nearest Wetherspoon's...
On the one hand, it's like, my plan includes unlimited data already so why am I having to pay for data just because it's being delivered to a laptop via my iPhone instead of just to my iPhone? On the other hand, a cloud subscription costs £9.99 anyway, so really you're only paying £5 to tether.
I'm not really convinced by it though. Partly because it seems like you'd be paying again for stuff that you already pay for anyway, but partly because tethering and the cloud aren't things I really want or need anyway so it's kind of difficult for me to assess whether the value justifies the cost.
So, I noticed this when perusing the technical details of the 13" MBP:
"Combined optical digital output/headphone out (user-selectable analog audio line in)"
From the sounds of it, digital/optical-in is not possible with the combined in/out port.
That's right. They got rid of optical input on the 13 inch to make room for the firewire and SD. The headphone port works with those new headphones Apple sells with the mic on them. Also works with the headphones that come with an iPhone. Sucks if you use that optical input port often but its not as bad as missing the firewire. At least you have the option of adding the hardware externally.
The SATA interface on the 13" and the 15" Macbook Pro models was dropped back down to SATA I (1.5 Gbps) from SATA II (3.0 Gbps). Doesn't mean much to most people, but I hate seeing an interface downgraded like this. Source.
I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
Actually, lots of people still use firewire. More in the professional space, but it's still used a lot. it's still the preferred interface for the pro Video Cameras, and high end external drives use Firewire.
I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
Actually, lots of people still use firewire. More in the professional space, but it's still used a lot. it's still the preferred interface for the pro Video Cameras, and high end external drives use Firewire.
Pro audio too. Professional grade audio interfaces pretty much all use firewire. Not really a dying interface in the professional market. Actually, for some things it's the only reasonable choice you have. The only reason USB is more popular is because it's simpler and way cheaper.
I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
There was a HUGE Uproar when they removed Firewire from the last Macbook revision. If you watched the Keynote, the crowd went nuts when they announced the return of Firewire. USB 2.0 is just too damn slow for pro applications.
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I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
There was a HUGE Uproar when they removed Firewire from the last Macbook revision. If you watched the Keynote, the crowd went nuts when they announced the return of Firewire. USB 2.0 is just too damn slow for pro applications.
Even in situations where the speed is comparable, the advantage is in that Firewire requires a good deal less CPU time to do its stuff. Not really an issue when you're copying some files to a drive, but when you're running an external audio interface along with five VSTs doing real-time audio processing, it can make a real difference having the firewire controller off doing its thing instead of the USB controller constantly asking the CPU what to do next.
I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
I use Firewire on the two hard drives I own (One is 400, one 800) and on my DV camcorder (Which I need to really start making more use of) and I miss using it on my iPod because USB is so goddamn slow.
I wonder if the OS 3.0 features will mean we can connect a bluetooth keyboard soon (without jailbreaking, I mean.) Not quite as handy as tethering, but that would still be pretty darned useful for me.
I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
Actually, lots of people still use firewire. More in the professional space, but it's still used a lot. it's still the preferred interface for the pro Video Cameras, and high end external drives use Firewire.
I find it hard to believe that either of those applications actually accounts for "lots" of people. It'd be interesting to see stats on how many Mac users do. Its gotta be lower than the number of people who have monitors with vga adaptors or express cards for their laptops. IMO, Apple's just weird about this shit. They put out a big push for Firewire years ago, and they're a bit scared to go back on it now. They didn't put out a big push for any of those other things so they don't feel any impetus to stick with them.
Isn't USB3 due out next year? I expect to see Firewire finally die then.
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Bah, I still don't trust USB, especially for things like hard drives. As I understand it, USB can hit very fast transfer speeds, however it's very spikey. Meaning, while USB will hit it's theoretical max speed, it'll drop speed just as fast.
Firewire probably won't hit it's theoretical max speed, however it keeps it's transfer speed more constant. Just anecdotal on my part but I've heard and seen much better/constant transfer speeds through Firewire as opposed to USB.
Bah, I still don't trust USB, especially for things like hard drives. As I understand it, USB can hit very fast transfer speeds, however it's very spikey. Meaning, while USB will hit it's theoretical max speed, it'll drop speed just as fast.
Firewire probably won't hit it's theoretical max speed, however it keeps it's transfer speed more constant. Just anecdotal on my part but I've heard and seen much better/constant transfer speeds through Firewire as opposed to USB.
That's mainly because of the afore mentioned CPU requirement differences between firewire and USB
You've heard right, sustained throughput is generally better with firewire.
Mostly I don't think firewire will go away with USB 3.0's introduction for the same reason firewire didn't go away with USB 2.0's introduction: firewire, like USB, gets periodic updates to increase transfer speed and capability.
CPU utilization has been mentioned and certainly it's the biggest advantage firewire has over USB. USB is driven by the CPU, firewire is driven by the interface itself --the faster USB sends data, the more work the CPU has to do. Firewire also gets some direct memory access, and device-to-device data access (whereas with USB, data has to jump from the device to the host then to another device.)
Given that, by design, USB will never be able to perform as well as firewire (assuming the same theoretical bandwidth) and firewire will never be produced as cheaply as USB (assuming no change to the standard) and eSATA won't be much good at anything other than driving a hard drive... I don't think USB, firewire, or eSATA are going anywhere.
I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
Actually, lots of people still use firewire. More in the professional space, but it's still used a lot. it's still the preferred interface for the pro Video Cameras, and high end external drives use Firewire.
I find it hard to believe that either of those applications actually accounts for "lots" of people. It'd be interesting to see stats on how many Mac users do. Its gotta be lower than the number of people who have monitors with vga adaptors or express cards for their laptops.
You're not looking at this the right way. It's not what portion of Mac users, it's what portion of professional Mac users need firewire. The MacBook Pro is targetted towards people who are using their laptops for things like design work (needing to work on large images stored on a firewire hard drive, or use a firewire hard drive as a photoshop scratch disk), people doing pro audio work (external audio interfaces running over USB can't touch the ones designed for firewire), that sort of thing. Firewire is extremely relevant to anyone who currently owns a MacBook Pro and would be looking at upgrading it.
Yeah, it's not very popular at all in the consumer world, but that doesn't matter. Apple can't alienate people with thousands of dollars of gear that requires a firewire interface.
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So I've been thinking about an iPod Touch, but I've been holding off because I know they often put upgrades from the new iPhones into the Touches soon after (or I guess they did it once, since there are only 2 generations). How likely is that with this most recent iPhone? From what I understand, the new iPhone is the same on the outside with new gear inside. Are we likely to get a new/upgraded version of the Touch soon? My 5G iPod is on its last legs, I'm trying to revive it as we speak.
We're well overdue for an update to the iPod line. I'm also almost certain I've seen Apple announce new iPods right after the back to school promo ends (as in, they use it to empty the warehouses of iPods that they're about to obsolete), which makes sense, as that's right at the start of the Christmas buying season.
I'd bet they're going to update the iPod line by October, end of October at the latest. Might not be too much in the way of outer physical differences, but the new iPhone is capable of OpenGL ES 2.0, the current iPhone and iPod Touches cannot handle that. The only real point to supporting that is enhanced 3D gaming. I'd expect a more powerful and potentially larger (more GBs, not physically) iPod Touch this fall.
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Good point - I forgot about the free college giveaway. I'll try and hold off until then - even if the upgrades aren't that substantial, they'll still drive down prices of the current models.
Actually, it ends Sept 8th. As far as the Nano, it's been consistently updated every september like clockwork so far. The Touch, like has been mentioned, will likely be updated sometime between early september and end of october. The shuffle and classic aren't worth mentioning. =p
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Psh, the Shuffle just got an "update," and the upgrades the Classic gets are just going to be bigger hard drives until the thing is like 5 TB huge and the commercials are like "5 MEELLION SONGS IN YOUR POCKET" and the Zune commercials are like "It costs $5 MEELLION to fill up an iPod!"...
The iPod Touch is really nifty as anything BUT a music player. The music playing on one is vastly inferior to my 5.5G iPod Classic. Yes, I own both. There are a lot of really odd and inconvenient things about the UI that the Classic gets right, and here's my other beef: There's NO excuse on a touch screen device with a screen that large to not be able to toggle repeat or shuffle without backing all the way out to the main menu and then into a settings menu and then back into your albums/playlists.
I still like the Classic for most things. Except jogging with one on surfaces that are not treadmills.
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I have it as well but I borked all my apps before installing it so no fun there. And Rogers won't turn on tethering till the 17th
But has anyone else been able to download more then 10 megs over 3g?
Thethering is going to be a bolt on starting at £15 a month for 3GB. All tethering bolt-ons are going to include unlimited access to The Cloud wi-fi hotspots in the UK.
Rogers gets tethering? Sweet. I will finally be able to utilize that 6 GB plan without jail breaking.
You might try again; I downloaded it via the Podcast two days ago. So it should be up there.
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Yep, free tethering till atleast the year's end.
Hmmm... this is just frustrating, and I must be making some stupid little mistake somewhere. So I'll go through my steps.
First, I clicky the link to take me to the Apple Keynote page in iTunes, which I got from Ars. I also get the same results when I navigate to the page manually.
Next... well, I look for 09 wwdc podcast. But all I see is this. I'm getting the feeling I'm looking in the wrong place.
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That'll do it. Thanks very much.
i don't really see how they would know any different, and its not like they would lock you out of device even if they did
You have to look for the right image, but it does exist. There are 3 different 3.0 images floating around, one for iPhone 2G, one for iPhone 3G, one For iPod touch. If you actually look at the guides for installing, they'll tell you which one is for the iPod touch.
Don't install the wrong one. You run a high risk of bricking the device.
I'm honestly just going to wait for the final release. it's 6 days away. The versions floating around aren't even the 100% final release, and contain markers in them that indicate to apple that it's the developer final release, which is different than the "retail" final release.
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I'm sure I'll get it eventually but maybe not right out of the gate.
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Push notifications, especially with IM, are worth $10 alone to me. I use my iPod Touch as an IM Machine a lot around the house. IT would be nice to have the notifications when I get a new message.
The Cloud thing could be pretty useful. Time to drag the laptop to the nearest Wetherspoon's...
I'm fairly sure iTunes verified the file with Apple's servers. Your safe as long as your iPhone / iPod is not being flashed by a 3rd party app while in DFU mode. This is why you cant jailbreak with iTunes.
On the one hand, it's like, my plan includes unlimited data already so why am I having to pay for data just because it's being delivered to a laptop via my iPhone instead of just to my iPhone? On the other hand, a cloud subscription costs £9.99 anyway, so really you're only paying £5 to tether.
I'm not really convinced by it though. Partly because it seems like you'd be paying again for stuff that you already pay for anyway, but partly because tethering and the cloud aren't things I really want or need anyway so it's kind of difficult for me to assess whether the value justifies the cost.
"Combined optical digital output/headphone out (user-selectable analog audio line in)"
From the sounds of it, digital/optical-in is not possible with the combined in/out port.
That's right. They got rid of optical input on the 13 inch to make room for the firewire and SD. The headphone port works with those new headphones Apple sells with the mic on them. Also works with the headphones that come with an iPhone. Sucks if you use that optical input port often but its not as bad as missing the firewire. At least you have the option of adding the hardware externally.
I mean, I still use firewire, but that's just because I have no motivation to upgrade a ten year old scanner and I only 'use' it in the sense that the scanner is plugged in. I haven't actually scanned anything in at least five years.
Ok, and my first gen iPod is firewire too. Carry on Apple, Firewire appears to be a grave of your own making.
Actually, lots of people still use firewire. More in the professional space, but it's still used a lot. it's still the preferred interface for the pro Video Cameras, and high end external drives use Firewire.
Pro audio too. Professional grade audio interfaces pretty much all use firewire. Not really a dying interface in the professional market. Actually, for some things it's the only reasonable choice you have. The only reason USB is more popular is because it's simpler and way cheaper.
There was a HUGE Uproar when they removed Firewire from the last Macbook revision. If you watched the Keynote, the crowd went nuts when they announced the return of Firewire. USB 2.0 is just too damn slow for pro applications.
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Even in situations where the speed is comparable, the advantage is in that Firewire requires a good deal less CPU time to do its stuff. Not really an issue when you're copying some files to a drive, but when you're running an external audio interface along with five VSTs doing real-time audio processing, it can make a real difference having the firewire controller off doing its thing instead of the USB controller constantly asking the CPU what to do next.
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I use Firewire on the two hard drives I own (One is 400, one 800) and on my DV camcorder (Which I need to really start making more use of) and I miss using it on my iPod because USB is so goddamn slow.
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Isn't USB3 due out next year? I expect to see Firewire finally die then.
Firewire probably won't hit it's theoretical max speed, however it keeps it's transfer speed more constant. Just anecdotal on my part but I've heard and seen much better/constant transfer speeds through Firewire as opposed to USB.
That's mainly because of the afore mentioned CPU requirement differences between firewire and USB
Mostly I don't think firewire will go away with USB 3.0's introduction for the same reason firewire didn't go away with USB 2.0's introduction: firewire, like USB, gets periodic updates to increase transfer speed and capability.
CPU utilization has been mentioned and certainly it's the biggest advantage firewire has over USB. USB is driven by the CPU, firewire is driven by the interface itself --the faster USB sends data, the more work the CPU has to do. Firewire also gets some direct memory access, and device-to-device data access (whereas with USB, data has to jump from the device to the host then to another device.)
Given that, by design, USB will never be able to perform as well as firewire (assuming the same theoretical bandwidth) and firewire will never be produced as cheaply as USB (assuming no change to the standard) and eSATA won't be much good at anything other than driving a hard drive... I don't think USB, firewire, or eSATA are going anywhere.
You're not looking at this the right way. It's not what portion of Mac users, it's what portion of professional Mac users need firewire. The MacBook Pro is targetted towards people who are using their laptops for things like design work (needing to work on large images stored on a firewire hard drive, or use a firewire hard drive as a photoshop scratch disk), people doing pro audio work (external audio interfaces running over USB can't touch the ones designed for firewire), that sort of thing. Firewire is extremely relevant to anyone who currently owns a MacBook Pro and would be looking at upgrading it.
Yeah, it's not very popular at all in the consumer world, but that doesn't matter. Apple can't alienate people with thousands of dollars of gear that requires a firewire interface.
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I'd bet they're going to update the iPod line by October, end of October at the latest. Might not be too much in the way of outer physical differences, but the new iPhone is capable of OpenGL ES 2.0, the current iPhone and iPod Touches cannot handle that. The only real point to supporting that is enhanced 3D gaming. I'd expect a more powerful and potentially larger (more GBs, not physically) iPod Touch this fall.
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So, definitely something to consider. It'll run until like the end of September though.
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The iPod Touch is really nifty as anything BUT a music player. The music playing on one is vastly inferior to my 5.5G iPod Classic. Yes, I own both. There are a lot of really odd and inconvenient things about the UI that the Classic gets right, and here's my other beef: There's NO excuse on a touch screen device with a screen that large to not be able to toggle repeat or shuffle without backing all the way out to the main menu and then into a settings menu and then back into your albums/playlists.
I still like the Classic for most things. Except jogging with one on surfaces that are not treadmills.
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