Chick Publications. It's a proselytizing tool for insane people to leave on the table at Arby's so other people can have a good laugh before throwing their trash away for them.
When one oppressed minority group which has won its legal struggle for civil rights oppresses another minority group that hasn't, it's actually much more hurtful than when privileged white people do it.
Sorry for being the one to point this out, but it's fucking true.
But saying "look, the black people are harassing the gay people" is painting the situation a certain way to emphasize racial lines.
Whereas since it's both white and black people harassing gay people, the story is "people harass gay people."
Noting that there are also black people there seems sorta racist, is all. Though yeah, if it was like the NAACP saying that gay people suck (:winky:) then you're absolutely correct in the quote up there.
edit: aw don't link it and give the dude ad revenue. That's half the point, leave crazy shit everywhere, people go to his website due to the controversy, ta da, instant web hits.
Chick Publications. It's a proselytizing tool for insane people to leave on the table at Arby's so other people can have a good laugh before throwing their trash away for them.
Chick Publications. It's a proselytizing tool for insane people to leave on the table at Arby's so other people can have a good laugh before throwing their trash away for them.
edit: aw don't link it and give the dude ad revenue. That's half the point, leave crazy shit everywhere, people go to his website due to the controversy, ta da, instant web hits.
edit: aw don't link it and give the dude ad revenue. That's half the point, leave crazy shit everywhere, people go to his website due to the controversy, ta da, instant web hits.
There was a TV show made in Australia by a guy called John Safran and in one section he went around in Salt Lake City in Utah, knocking on mormons' doors and proseletising for atheism. I can't remember what the show was called now, he's done a few.
The program didn't show the people who politely asked him to move off (I'm going to assume they would be the majority of reactions?), but the reactions they did air were fairly amusing.
On being a jerk to door-to-door preachers, it's really dependant on what they've interrupted me doing/what mood I'm in. The only time I've gone off my head at them is when I was halfway through spray painting a boat and they poked their head over the fence and said they had to talk to me about something 'very important'. I mean, they saw I was busy but still insisted on haranguing me.
There's a difference between a missionary knocking on someone's door to ask if they would like to know more about his religion than a religious wingnut knocking on someone's door and telling them they should believe a certain way or else fire and damnation.
Are both annoying? Yes. Are they both equally deserving of retaliation? I would say no.
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When one oppressed minority group which has won its legal struggle for civil rights oppresses another minority group that hasn't, it's actually much more hurtful than when privileged white people do it.
Sorry for being the one to point this out, but it's fucking true.
But saying "look, the black people are harassing the gay people" is painting the situation a certain way to emphasize racial lines.
Whereas since it's both white and black people harassing gay people, the story is "people harass gay people."
Noting that there are also black people there seems sorta racist, is all. Though yeah, if it was like the NAACP saying that gay people suck (:winky:) then you're absolutely correct in the quote up there.
edit: aw don't link it and give the dude ad revenue. That's half the point, leave crazy shit everywhere, people go to his website due to the controversy, ta da, instant web hits.
I'm racist against homophobic black people.
You see, because I am not a Christian, I actually hate people who hate me. I hate every stupid thing about them.
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For clarity, if it had been one of those doughy white boys in the cheap suits being a ignorant loudmouth to the cameraman, I would have singled him out for my hate. But it wasn't, was it? It was the black dude, and to a lesser extent that fat ass black lady who tried to hold her purse in front of her face, because while she's happy to stand in front of some faggot's house and spew hate, she doesn't want people to see her doing it.
Yes, I in fact hate all of them, I hope they get cancer and AIDS and die in a fire.
There was a TV show made in Australia by a guy called John Safran and in one section he went around in Salt Lake City in Utah, knocking on mormons' doors and proseletising for atheism. I can't remember what the show was called now, he's done a few.
The program didn't show the people who politely asked him to move off (I'm going to assume they would be the majority of reactions?), but the reactions they did air were fairly amusing.
On being a jerk to door-to-door preachers, it's really dependant on what they've interrupted me doing/what mood I'm in. The only time I've gone off my head at them is when I was halfway through spray painting a boat and they poked their head over the fence and said they had to talk to me about something 'very important'. I mean, they saw I was busy but still insisted on haranguing me.
When one oppressed minority group which has won its legal struggle for civil rights oppresses another minority group that hasn't, it's actually much more hurtful than when privileged white people do it.
Sorry for being the one to point this out, but it's fucking true.
But saying "look, the black people are harassing the gay people" is painting the situation a certain way to emphasize racial lines.
Whereas since it's both white and black people harassing gay people, the story is "people harass gay people."
Noting that there are also black people there seems sorta racist, is all. Though yeah, if it was like the NAACP saying that gay people suck (:winky:) then you're absolutely correct in the quote up there.
edit: aw don't link it and give the dude ad revenue. That's half the point, leave crazy shit everywhere, people go to his website due to the controversy, ta da, instant web hits.
I'm racist against homophobic black people.
You see, because I am not a Christian, I actually hate people who hate me. I hate every stupid thing about them.
Do the angry white people there anger you just as much?
When one oppressed minority group which has won its legal struggle for civil rights oppresses another minority group that hasn't, it's actually much more hurtful than when privileged white people do it.
Sorry for being the one to point this out, but it's fucking true.
But saying "look, the black people are harassing the gay people" is painting the situation a certain way to emphasize racial lines.
Whereas since it's both white and black people harassing gay people, the story is "people harass gay people."
Noting that there are also black people there seems sorta racist, is all. Though yeah, if it was like the NAACP saying that gay people suck (:winky:) then you're absolutely correct in the quote up there.
edit: aw don't link it and give the dude ad revenue. That's half the point, leave crazy shit everywhere, people go to his website due to the controversy, ta da, instant web hits.
I'm racist against homophobic black people.
You see, because I am not a Christian, I actually hate people who hate me. I hate every stupid thing about them.
Do the angry white people there anger you just as much?
Because if not, it makes you a racist.
It's understandably more infuriating coming from another minority.
There was a TV show made in Australia by a guy called John Safran and in one section he went around in Salt Lake City in Utah, knocking on mormons' doors and proseletising for atheism. I can't remember what the show was called now, he's done a few.
The program didn't show the people who politely asked him to move off (I'm going to assume they would be the majority of reactions?), but the reactions they did air were fairly amusing.
On being a jerk to door-to-door preachers, it's really dependant on what they've interrupted me doing/what mood I'm in. The only time I've gone off my head at them is when I was halfway through spray painting a boat and they poked their head over the fence and said they had to talk to me about something 'very important'. I mean, they saw I was busy but still insisted on haranguing me.
Why didn't you use the spray paint?
The damn compressor hose wasn't long enough :P
Also, I'm so sick of junk mail being put in my letter box. I've got a sign that says, 'No junk mail' but every day the thing is jammed full of Target catalogues. Two weeks ago all my important documents for settling a property I was buying got soaked because the mailman couldn't fit them into the mailbox so he left it on the ground underneath the letterbox.
Maybe I should start calling up the companies who the junk mail belongs to but somehow I don't see that making a difference
It is totally not a dick move to piss of door-to-door Mormons or any other stripe of religious bother. It's no the same as a door-to-door salesman; when you tell them you're not interested in your product they don't threaten you with eternal damnation. Those people are the dickholes, not some awesome dude that harmlessly screws with them and their warped morals.
There was a TV show made in Australia by a guy called John Safran and in one section he went around in Salt Lake City in Utah, knocking on mormons' doors and proseletising for atheism. I can't remember what the show was called now, he's done a few.
The program didn't show the people who politely asked him to move off (I'm going to assume they would be the majority of reactions?), but the reactions they did air were fairly amusing.
On being a jerk to door-to-door preachers, it's really dependant on what they've interrupted me doing/what mood I'm in. The only time I've gone off my head at them is when I was halfway through spray painting a boat and they poked their head over the fence and said they had to talk to me about something 'very important'. I mean, they saw I was busy but still insisted on haranguing me.
Why didn't you use the spray paint?
The damn compressor hose wasn't long enough :P
Also, I'm so sick of junk mail being put in my letter box. I've got a sign that says, 'No junk mail' but every day the thing is jammed full of Target catalogues. Two weeks ago all my important documents for settling a property I was buying got soaked because the mailman couldn't fit them into the mailbox so he left it on the ground underneath the letterbox.
Maybe I should start calling up the companies who the junk mail belongs to but somehow I don't see that making a difference
Postmen legally have to deliver junk mail. The companies paid for postage, thus it has to be delivered. You putting up a sign does not change that law. Not that I disagree with you, I hate junk mail as well. Also, do you want to postman making a snap decision what is and isn't junk? Some bills look exactly like junk mail. My Verizon bill has a big advertisement on the front of the envelope every month.
There are plenty of resources on line about how to stop junk mail, some easier than others. You can start here: http://www.obviously.com/junkmail/
When one oppressed minority group which has won its legal struggle for civil rights oppresses another minority group that hasn't, it's actually much more hurtful than when privileged white people do it.
Sorry for being the one to point this out, but it's fucking true.
But saying "look, the black people are harassing the gay people" is painting the situation a certain way to emphasize racial lines.
Whereas since it's both white and black people harassing gay people, the story is "people harass gay people."
Noting that there are also black people there seems sorta racist, is all. Though yeah, if it was like the NAACP saying that gay people suck (:winky:) then you're absolutely correct in the quote up there.
edit: aw don't link it and give the dude ad revenue. That's half the point, leave crazy shit everywhere, people go to his website due to the controversy, ta da, instant web hits.
I'm racist against homophobic black people.
You see, because I am not a Christian, I actually hate people who hate me. I hate every stupid thing about them.
Do the angry white people there anger you just as much?
Because if not, it makes you a racist.
Ok then I'm a racist because I was angrier at the people doing all the talking than I was at the people who just stood there as soon as they were faced with opposition.
The story says he specifically turned it on, in order to bother the Mormons. It wasn't like they interrupted him watchin' some mansex.
Putting on some gay porn on mute is no more deeply offensive than what they (or indeed any missionary) are trying to "share" with him.
Uh. So if it was a door to door vacuum salesman, and he did that, it'd be bad?
(Spoiler: It's a douche thing to do either way)
Deliberatly going out of your way to offend someone is a dickish thing to do. Asking someone if they'd like to hear about Jesus isn't. If they say no, and you continue telling them about Jesus, yes, that's a dickish thing to do.
They're hatemongers, and strong supporters of a hate group. What they deserve is to get cancer and die horrifically painful, slow deaths, but if the only thing you can really in good conscience inflict on them is a little gay porn, then you settle for second-best.
Pretending that they're good people just because they're really, really nice about the fact that they hate women and gay people is being part of the problem.
It is totally not a dick move to piss of door-to-door Mormons or any other stripe of religious bother. It's no the same as a door-to-door salesman; when you tell them you're not interested in your product they don't threaten you with eternal damnation. Those people are the dickholes, not some awesome dude that harmlessly screws with them and their warped morals.
It's still a dick move to piss someone off deliberately. If someone shows up to your door yelling about hellfire, close your door and go back inside. Inviting them inside for the express purpose of fucking with them is harassment.
If someone shows up and starts telling you you're going to hell, by all means. But manipulating events so that you can piss someone off is a dickish thing to do, when you could just say "No thanks!" and they'll go away. If they're refusing to go away, that's again a different matter.
But "Hi, can we tell you about jesus?"
"No thanks"
"k bye"
is not deserving of retribution.
"No thanks"
"BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HELL" and not leaving, certainly is.
Being a dick to religious people isn't going to make them stop being religious. Being nice is certainly a better option most of the time.
As to the racism, I see way more angry white church members than I see angry black church members. And I don't see the relevance of pointing out their race, especially to the exclusion of the other races. Saying "black church members harass gay people" is technically true, but definitely a skewed perspective.
I had a couple mormons pester me while I was delivering mail. Like, they kept up even after I expressed to them that I was actively engaged in my job, delivering mail, not on a break, and tried to walk away from them.
Fuck those guys.
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Sniper, your opinions about racism are highly suspect given your stance in this thread. I've never seen you give a shit about racial equality in the past, so forgive me if I don't take your sudden deep concern with my apparent racism very seriously.
The story says he specifically turned it on, in order to bother the Mormons. It wasn't like they interrupted him watchin' some mansex.
Putting on some gay porn on mute is no more deeply offensive than what they (or indeed any missionary) are trying to "share" with him.
Uh. So if it was a door to door vacuum salesman, and he did that, it'd be bad?
(Spoiler: It's a douche thing to do either way)
Deliberatly going out of your way to offend someone is a dickish thing to do. Asking someone if they'd like to hear about Jesus isn't. If they say no, and you continue telling them about Jesus, yes, that's a dickish thing to do.
They're hatemongers, and strong supporters of a hate group. What they deserve is to get cancer and die horrifically painful, slow deaths, but if the only thing you can really in good conscience inflict on them is a little gay porn, then you settle for second-best.
Pretending that they're good people just because they're really, really nice about the fact that they hate women and gay people is being part of the problem.
Mormons are hate mongers? I've never known any of the mormons down here to hate women or gays, or treat them with less respect than any other human.
Or maybe you don't know the first fucking thing about the LDS faith.
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
I've never seen any of the crazy hatemonger style mormons, most are just nice people that are all a little too perfect.
Or maybe you don't know the first fucking thing about the LDS faith.
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
Yes, Sniperguy's opinion is everyone's opinion. You're fucking on to us.
Or maybe you don't know the first fucking thing about the LDS faith.
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
Mormons get excommunicated for not tithing. Therefore, they're giving money to a group that uses it to do horrible, hateful things. There are no good people in that faith.
And if you think I have anything good to say about Muslim groups that are oppressive and hateful to women and homosexuals, you are sadly mistaken.
@ Yami: thanks for that, that link was a pretty interesting read. Obviously I'm going to have to look at how Australian laws differ to those in the USA regarding this stuff, but it's still helpful.
I've found that at least half of the junk mail is being delivered by random people going house to house. I've bailed up a few people about it and they just said it was their job and shrugged.
I watched a really interesting documentary about people picketing abortion clinics in New England (I think). Some protestors were also standing around the doctors' houses and occasionally do things like throw blood all over their front door.
I realise that there are worse incidents then picketing clinics and such that have happened, but it was interesting how dedicated people are to things like this. One group protests outside a particular clinic 4-6 days a week, every week.
Or maybe you don't know the first fucking thing about the LDS faith.
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
Mormons get excommunicated for not tithing. Therefore, they're giving money to a group that uses it to do horrible, hateful things.
There are no good people in that faith.
I'd wager that all faiths are fucking awful when it comes to rights and what's going on right now. But mormons don't really even rate compared to Islam and some fundie christians.
And you give money to a nation that uses it to do horrible, horrible things, guess you're to blame for that!
Or maybe you don't know the first fucking thing about the LDS faith.
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
Mormons get excommunicated for not tithing. Therefore, they're giving money to a group that uses it to do horrible, hateful things.
There are no good people in that faith.
I'd wager that all faiths are fucking awful when it comes to rights and what's going on right now. But mormons don't really even rate compared to Islam and some fundie christians.
And you give money to a nation that uses it to do horrible, horrible things, guess you're to blame for that!
The difference is if I don't like what my christian church is going I can leave and still be a christian, but not contributing to CJCLDS gets you excommunicated, i.e. no longer Mormon. Therefor Mormons bear an increased share of their religions baggage over other religions. Thats what Thanatos is saying, though I'm not sure I agree. Its an interesting point though.
I had a couple mormons pester me while I was delivering mail. Like, they kept up even after I expressed to them that I was actively engaged in my job, delivering mail, not on a break, and tried to walk away from them.
Fuck those guys.
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Sniper, your opinions about racism are highly suspect given your stance in this thread. I've never seen you give a shit about racial equality in the past, so forgive me if I don't take your sudden deep concern with my apparent racism very seriously.
What? How is my opinion on racism subject, due to my stance of "Don't be a dick"?
There's like 20 white people, and 3 black people. You made a comment to the lines of "check out the black people harassing the gay people!" which is not at all an accurate statement to make about the situation. This seems deliberately racist to me. It may not be, which is fine! But if you call out those black people, to the exclusion of the white people in the way you did, it seems racist.
Are you saying my stance of "don't be an asshole to religious people" is what does it? My stance is not be a dick to anyone without serious cause. I try to be a nice person generally. Even to the people that knock on my door and tell me I'm going to hell. Inviting someone into your home, then harassing them, is still harassment.
I do not think that people who are being harassed should harass back either. Because that's immature.
And I am fully aware that I'm not a Mormon expert. Which I said, several times. But apparently people ignored that. My anecdotal experience with Mormons, is that they are nice kind people, and in no way bigoted or whatnot towards gay people or women. This may not be the stance of the official Mormon church, but that doesn't make an individual mormon a bad person, especially if they specifically disagree with those tenants.
If you're a republican for instance, and disagree with Obama, that doesn't make you not an American.
There is a lot of prejudice against religion on this forum. Even in this very thread. I'm not even religious myself.
Or maybe you don't know the first fucking thing about the LDS faith.
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
Mormons get excommunicated for not tithing. Therefore, they're giving money to a group that uses it to do horrible, hateful things.
There are no good people in that faith.
I'd wager that all faiths are fucking awful when it comes to rights and what's going on right now. But mormons don't really even rate compared to Islam and some fundie christians.
And you give money to a nation that uses it to do horrible, horrible things, guess you're to blame for that!
I vote and campaign against most of the horrible things that my country does, and I'm legally compelled to pay taxes. Mormons are not legally compelled to pay their church, nor are they legally compelled to be the driving force behind Prop 8 in California. They're also forbidden from questioning their own religion; it's an all or nothing package; you don't get to pick and choose parts you like and parts you don't like (much like Catholicism).
And while "Islam" is composed of many different strains of belief in many different countries that vary from incredibly hateful to entirely inclusive and open-minded, there is but one Mormon Church, which is a hateful, evil group.
And all faiths are not "fucking awful" when it comes to rights and what's going on right now; Unitarians and Episcopalians, for instance, are open-minded, incredibly inclusive faiths; Catholicism and Mormonism are not.
Or maybe you don't know the first fucking thing about the LDS faith.
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
Mormons get excommunicated for not tithing. Therefore, they're giving money to a group that uses it to do horrible, hateful things.
There are no good people in that faith.
I'd wager that all faiths are fucking awful when it comes to rights and what's going on right now. But mormons don't really even rate compared to Islam and some fundie christians.
And you give money to a nation that uses it to do horrible, horrible things, guess you're to blame for that!
I vote and campaign against most of the horrible things that my country does, and I'm legally compelled to pay taxes. Mormons are not legally compelled to pay their church, nor are they legally compelled to be the driving force behind Prop 8 in California.
And while "Islam" is composed of many different strains of belief in many different countries that vary from incredibly hateful to entirely inclusive and open-minded, there is but one Mormon Church, which is a hateful, evil group.
And all faiths are not "fucking awful" when it comes to rights and what's going on right now; Unitarians and Episcopalians, for instance, are open-minded, incredibly inclusive faiths; Catholicism and Mormonism are not.
This depends largely on which Catholic church you go to. Just because the Pope said it doesn't mean the churches necessarily preach it.
This is important. People assume that because one claims the title "mormon" or "catholic" that that means several things about them. It does not. You cannot make those assumptions and be accurate. Another example: All jewish people don't eat pork. Clearly not true.
I had a couple mormons pester me while I was delivering mail. Like, they kept up even after I expressed to them that I was actively engaged in my job, delivering mail, not on a break, and tried to walk away from them.
Fuck those guys.
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Sniper, your opinions about racism are highly suspect given your stance in this thread. I've never seen you give a shit about racial equality in the past, so forgive me if I don't take your sudden deep concern with my apparent racism very seriously.
What? How is my opinion on racism subject, due to my stance of "Don't be a dick"?
There's like 20 white people, and 3 black people. You made a comment to the lines of "check out the black people harassing the gay people!" which is not at all an accurate statement to make about the situation. This seems deliberately racist to me. It may not be, which is fine! But if you call out those black people, to the exclusion of the white people in the way you did, it seems racist.
Are you saying my stance of "don't be an asshole to religious people" is what does it? My stance is not be a dick to anyone without serious cause. I try to be a nice person generally. Even to the people that knock on my door and tell me I'm going to hell. Inviting someone into your home, then harassing them, is still harassment.
I do not think that people who are being harassed should harass back either. Because that's immature.
And I am fully aware that I'm not a Mormon expert. Which I said, several times. But apparently people ignored that. My anecdotal experience with Mormons, is that they are nice kind people, and in no way bigoted or whatnot towards gay people or women. This may not be the stance of the official Mormon church, but that doesn't make an individual mormon a bad person, especially if they specifically disagree with those tenants.
If you're a republican for instance, and disagree with Obama, that doesn't make you not an American.
There is a lot of prejudice against religion on this forum. Even in this very thread. I'm not even religious myself.
There's a lot of prejudice against KKK members on this forum, too. And Nazis. And anti-abortion wingnuts.
I don't really think any of that counts as "prejudice," though. You're not pre-judging anyone; you're just judging them.
Or maybe you don't know the first fucking thing about the LDS faith.
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
Mormons get excommunicated for not tithing. Therefore, they're giving money to a group that uses it to do horrible, hateful things.
There are no good people in that faith.
I'd wager that all faiths are fucking awful when it comes to rights and what's going on right now. But mormons don't really even rate compared to Islam and some fundie christians.
And you give money to a nation that uses it to do horrible, horrible things, guess you're to blame for that!
I vote and campaign against most of the horrible things that my country does, and I'm legally compelled to pay taxes. Mormons are not legally compelled to pay their church, nor are they legally compelled to be the driving force behind Prop 8 in California.
And while "Islam" is composed of many different strains of belief in many different countries that vary from incredibly hateful to entirely inclusive and open-minded, there is but one Mormon Church, which is a hateful, evil group.
And all faiths are not "fucking awful" when it comes to rights and what's going on right now; Unitarians and Episcopalians, for instance, are open-minded, incredibly inclusive faiths; Catholicism and Mormonism are not.
This depends largely on which Catholic church you go to. Just because the Pope said it doesn't mean the churches necessarily preach it.
This is important. People assume that because one claims the title "mormon" or "catholic" that that means several things about them. It does not. You cannot make those assumptions and be accurate. Another example: All jewish people don't eat pork. Clearly not true.
It's an organization which lets one person set official policy. That means he sets the official policy, and the whole organization is responsible for the official policies.
I'd wager that all faiths are fucking awful when it comes to rights and what's going on right now. But mormons don't really even rate compared to Islam and some fundie christians.
And you give money to a nation that uses it to do horrible, horrible things, guess you're to blame for that!
I vote and campaign against most of the horrible things that my country does, and I'm legally compelled to pay taxes. Mormons are not legally compelled to pay their church, nor are they legally compelled to be the driving force behind Prop 8 in California.
And while "Islam" is composed of many different strains of belief in many different countries that vary from incredibly hateful to entirely inclusive and open-minded, there is but one Mormon Church, which is a hateful, evil group.
And all faiths are not "fucking awful" when it comes to rights and what's going on right now; Unitarians and Episcopalians, for instance, are open-minded, incredibly inclusive faiths; Catholicism and Mormonism are not.
This depends largely on which Catholic church you go to. Just because the Pope said it doesn't mean the churches necessarily preach it.
This is important. People assume that because one claims the title "mormon" or "catholic" that that means several things about them. It does not. You cannot make those assumptions and be accurate. Another example: All jewish people don't eat pork. Clearly not true.
Assuming you just show up at your church for services, maybe talk to a few people, then leave, yes, maybe that can be the case; but if you give money, or help them raise money, you're acting in direct contravention to the beliefs you're claiming to espouse. And somehow I doubt that there are a lot of churchgoers who just show up for Sunday services then take off without contributing.
It's like if someone says they're a liberal Democrat, then gives $20,000 to Michelle Bachmann's re-election campaign; their words don't really matter, it's their actions that count, and their actions say that they're a hateful conservative Republican retard.
And again, Judaism is broken up into a bunch of sects; there is no Jewish "home office" that all of the Jewish synagogues give money to, unlike Catholicism and Mormonism.
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Chick Publications. It's a proselytizing tool for insane people to leave on the table at Arby's so other people can have a good laugh before throwing their trash away for them.
But saying "look, the black people are harassing the gay people" is painting the situation a certain way to emphasize racial lines.
Whereas since it's both white and black people harassing gay people, the story is "people harass gay people."
Noting that there are also black people there seems sorta racist, is all. Though yeah, if it was like the NAACP saying that gay people suck (:winky:) then you're absolutely correct in the quote up there.
edit: aw don't link it and give the dude ad revenue. That's half the point, leave crazy shit everywhere, people go to his website due to the controversy, ta da, instant web hits.
Which is probably accurate, if you read the Old Testament.
Rigorous Scholarship
Some people collect them.
They're softer than the toilet paper at Arbys
Link now goes to Wiki.
Man this is sig-worthy
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The program didn't show the people who politely asked him to move off (I'm going to assume they would be the majority of reactions?), but the reactions they did air were fairly amusing.
On being a jerk to door-to-door preachers, it's really dependant on what they've interrupted me doing/what mood I'm in. The only time I've gone off my head at them is when I was halfway through spray painting a boat and they poked their head over the fence and said they had to talk to me about something 'very important'. I mean, they saw I was busy but still insisted on haranguing me.
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Are both annoying? Yes. Are they both equally deserving of retaliation? I would say no.
Boom, problem solved.
I'm racist against homophobic black people.
You see, because I am not a Christian, I actually hate people who hate me. I hate every stupid thing about them.
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For clarity, if it had been one of those doughy white boys in the cheap suits being a ignorant loudmouth to the cameraman, I would have singled him out for my hate. But it wasn't, was it? It was the black dude, and to a lesser extent that fat ass black lady who tried to hold her purse in front of her face, because while she's happy to stand in front of some faggot's house and spew hate, she doesn't want people to see her doing it.
Yes, I in fact hate all of them, I hope they get cancer and AIDS and die in a fire.
omg gimme.
Why didn't you use the spray paint?
Do the angry white people there anger you just as much?
Because if not, it makes you a racist.
It's understandably more infuriating coming from another minority.
The damn compressor hose wasn't long enough :P
Also, I'm so sick of junk mail being put in my letter box. I've got a sign that says, 'No junk mail' but every day the thing is jammed full of Target catalogues. Two weeks ago all my important documents for settling a property I was buying got soaked because the mailman couldn't fit them into the mailbox so he left it on the ground underneath the letterbox.
Maybe I should start calling up the companies who the junk mail belongs to but somehow I don't see that making a difference
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The evil Dungon Master chick wasn't bad.
"Yay we got our rights! But no you gays are gross you can't have your rights."
Postmen legally have to deliver junk mail. The companies paid for postage, thus it has to be delivered. You putting up a sign does not change that law. Not that I disagree with you, I hate junk mail as well. Also, do you want to postman making a snap decision what is and isn't junk? Some bills look exactly like junk mail. My Verizon bill has a big advertisement on the front of the envelope every month.
There are plenty of resources on line about how to stop junk mail, some easier than others. You can start here: http://www.obviously.com/junkmail/
Ok then I'm a racist because I was angrier at the people doing all the talking than I was at the people who just stood there as soon as they were faced with opposition.
This makes no sense. At all.
"having emotions makes you racist".
yeah, ok
Pretending that they're good people just because they're really, really nice about the fact that they hate women and gay people is being part of the problem.
It's still a dick move to piss someone off deliberately. If someone shows up to your door yelling about hellfire, close your door and go back inside. Inviting them inside for the express purpose of fucking with them is harassment.
If someone shows up and starts telling you you're going to hell, by all means. But manipulating events so that you can piss someone off is a dickish thing to do, when you could just say "No thanks!" and they'll go away. If they're refusing to go away, that's again a different matter.
But "Hi, can we tell you about jesus?"
"No thanks"
"k bye"
is not deserving of retribution.
"No thanks"
"BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HELL" and not leaving, certainly is.
Being a dick to religious people isn't going to make them stop being religious. Being nice is certainly a better option most of the time.
As to the racism, I see way more angry white church members than I see angry black church members. And I don't see the relevance of pointing out their race, especially to the exclusion of the other races. Saying "black church members harass gay people" is technically true, but definitely a skewed perspective.
Fuck those guys.
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Sniper, your opinions about racism are highly suspect given your stance in this thread. I've never seen you give a shit about racial equality in the past, so forgive me if I don't take your sudden deep concern with my apparent racism very seriously.
Mormons are hate mongers? I've never known any of the mormons down here to hate women or gays, or treat them with less respect than any other human.
Maybe you have angrier Mormons up there?
I thought this forum was all about separating the bad things in the faith and the bad people from the faith from the good people. Oh wait, that only applies to Muslims, gotta remember how this place works.
I've never seen any of the crazy hatemonger style mormons, most are just nice people that are all a little too perfect.
Yes, Sniperguy's opinion is everyone's opinion. You're fucking on to us.
And if you think I have anything good to say about Muslim groups that are oppressive and hateful to women and homosexuals, you are sadly mistaken.
I've found that at least half of the junk mail is being delivered by random people going house to house. I've bailed up a few people about it and they just said it was their job and shrugged.
I watched a really interesting documentary about people picketing abortion clinics in New England (I think). Some protestors were also standing around the doctors' houses and occasionally do things like throw blood all over their front door.
I realise that there are worse incidents then picketing clinics and such that have happened, but it was interesting how dedicated people are to things like this. One group protests outside a particular clinic 4-6 days a week, every week.
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I'd wager that all faiths are fucking awful when it comes to rights and what's going on right now. But mormons don't really even rate compared to Islam and some fundie christians.
And you give money to a nation that uses it to do horrible, horrible things, guess you're to blame for that!
The difference is if I don't like what my christian church is going I can leave and still be a christian, but not contributing to CJCLDS gets you excommunicated, i.e. no longer Mormon. Therefor Mormons bear an increased share of their religions baggage over other religions. Thats what Thanatos is saying, though I'm not sure I agree. Its an interesting point though.
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What? How is my opinion on racism subject, due to my stance of "Don't be a dick"?
There's like 20 white people, and 3 black people. You made a comment to the lines of "check out the black people harassing the gay people!" which is not at all an accurate statement to make about the situation. This seems deliberately racist to me. It may not be, which is fine! But if you call out those black people, to the exclusion of the white people in the way you did, it seems racist.
Are you saying my stance of "don't be an asshole to religious people" is what does it? My stance is not be a dick to anyone without serious cause. I try to be a nice person generally. Even to the people that knock on my door and tell me I'm going to hell. Inviting someone into your home, then harassing them, is still harassment.
I do not think that people who are being harassed should harass back either. Because that's immature.
And I am fully aware that I'm not a Mormon expert. Which I said, several times. But apparently people ignored that. My anecdotal experience with Mormons, is that they are nice kind people, and in no way bigoted or whatnot towards gay people or women. This may not be the stance of the official Mormon church, but that doesn't make an individual mormon a bad person, especially if they specifically disagree with those tenants.
If you're a republican for instance, and disagree with Obama, that doesn't make you not an American.
There is a lot of prejudice against religion on this forum. Even in this very thread. I'm not even religious myself.
And while "Islam" is composed of many different strains of belief in many different countries that vary from incredibly hateful to entirely inclusive and open-minded, there is but one Mormon Church, which is a hateful, evil group.
And all faiths are not "fucking awful" when it comes to rights and what's going on right now; Unitarians and Episcopalians, for instance, are open-minded, incredibly inclusive faiths; Catholicism and Mormonism are not.
This depends largely on which Catholic church you go to. Just because the Pope said it doesn't mean the churches necessarily preach it.
This is important. People assume that because one claims the title "mormon" or "catholic" that that means several things about them. It does not. You cannot make those assumptions and be accurate. Another example: All jewish people don't eat pork. Clearly not true.
I don't really think any of that counts as "prejudice," though. You're not pre-judging anyone; you're just judging them.
It's an organization which lets one person set official policy. That means he sets the official policy, and the whole organization is responsible for the official policies.
It's like if someone says they're a liberal Democrat, then gives $20,000 to Michelle Bachmann's re-election campaign; their words don't really matter, it's their actions that count, and their actions say that they're a hateful conservative Republican retard.
And again, Judaism is broken up into a bunch of sects; there is no Jewish "home office" that all of the Jewish synagogues give money to, unlike Catholicism and Mormonism.