Less archaic than pledging allegiance to people, which was the old version. Actually, I think Commonwealth citizens sometimes still have to swear loyalty to the Queen. I'm almost certain Governors-General do.
Depends on the role. I think police and military in NZ still swear a loyalty oath to the Queen. I'm not 100% sure about that
Less archaic than pledging allegiance to people, which was the old version. Actually, I think Commonwealth citizens sometimes still have to swear loyalty to the Queen. I'm almost certain Governors-General do.
I mean, like, having students do it every single day
The reasonable requirement doesn't mean that the administrator has to believe violence will happen. Simply that it's more likely to happen. Or that he'll end up with a sufficient enough of a screaming match that class will be disrupted. Is it really that unreasonable to believe that those t-shirts wouldn't be seen as aggressively confrontational given the raised emotional levels? Even Tinker leaves that as an out for school administrators. And we're also debating this as if the students in question are "good" students. For all we know they may not be. If they or one has a history of fighting then it's without question the right call to make.
The administrator cannot simply believe that violence is more likely than it was before--after all, as in Tinker, any controversial opinion could, theoretically, lead to a fight. It has to be that they believe violence, or comparably significant disruption, has become significantly likely. I doubt that belief is reasonable in this situation, especially given that nothing (which is exactly what I would expect) actually happened on the first day.
In my High School you could sit out the pledge quietly, but it made you stand out like a sore thumb and you'd get a lot of shit for it. I was kind of a rebellious teen, so I sat these out. One time a guy tried to lift me out of my set to get me to say the pledge.
In my elementary school, you had to say both the Pledge of Allegiance and the Christian Pledge. I'm not even sure if the second one was a real thing, or just made up for our school. Let me look it up...
Ah yes
I pledge allegiance to the Christian Flag and to the Savior for whose Kingdom it stands. One Savior, crucified, risen, and coming again with life and liberty to all who believe.
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So YA thought YA might like to goooo toooo the shoooow
*hit elevator button*
Feeeeel the warm thrill of emotion
that space cadet glow,
well, I've got some bad news for you sunshine
Pink isn't well, he's stayed back in the Hotel
And they sent us along, as a surrogate band
We're gonna find out where you fans really staa-ha-haaaaand.
*elevator dings*
Are there any queers in the audience tonight, GET THEM UP AGAINST THE WALL
*Elevator doors open*
And that one looks jewish, AND THAT ONE's A COON, WHO LET ALL THIS RIFF RAFF INTO THE ROOM!
In high school I said everything but the "under God" part. And nobody cared, because the entire thing was completely meaningless. Forcing someone to swear loyalty is useless.
The reasonable requirement doesn't mean that the administrator has to believe violence will happen. Simply that it's more likely to happen. Or that he'll end up with a sufficient enough of a screaming match that class will be disrupted. Is it really that unreasonable to believe that those t-shirts wouldn't be seen as aggressively confrontational given the raised emotional levels? Even Tinker leaves that as an out for school administrators. And we're also debating this as if the students in question are "good" students. For all we know they may not be. If they or one has a history of fighting then it's without question the right call to make.
The administrator cannot simply believe that violence is more likely than it was before--after all, as in Tinker, any controversial opinion could, theoretically, lead to a fight. It has to be that they believe violence, or comparably significant disruption, has become significantly likely. I doubt that belief is reasonable in this situation, especially given that nothing (which is exactly what I would expect) actually happened on the first day.
Children do not have full extension of their rights. This includes speech.
Regardless of anything happened or would happen, it was in the Principal's authority to do what he had to do.
From what I understand, he allowed "Gay Pride" and "Straight Pride" shirts. He made the Straight Pride shirts mark out their offensive religious text.
I pledge allegiance to the Christian Flag and to the Savior for whose Kingdom it stands. One Savior, crucified, risen, and coming again with life and liberty to all who believe.
wtf
They most definitely cannot do that in public school. Your school sucked balls.
The pledge isn't about taking pride in a country. It is about obedience.
Is the pledge actually about anything, really? I always thought it was just a silly custom you guys have, like British people and the Queen, or Australians and institutionalised racism.
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Oh thank God, I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Depends on the role. I think police and military in NZ still swear a loyalty oath to the Queen. I'm not 100% sure about that
Yeah, but have you seen those punk kids?
All standing on my lawn.
luc besson's Subway, in case there's more of them
very wierd!
also very good
I mean, like, having students do it every single day
seems weird
It kinda already is. You can't incite violence and you can't harass through speech.
Can you make an ass of yourself publicly? Absolutely. There's no law against being stupid.
It's relevant that the quotes in question are from the bible. Religious speech is specially protected.
Law of the lawn.
SWEAR TO ME THAT YOU ARE OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES
dude it is about war and blowing shit up
better than singing about some old woman with a crown
or maple syrup and hockey and whatever else the canadians sing aboot
senj, I don't if I should be glad that I am not the guy who makes these
To some extent. You can't just break the law and say that your religion demands it.
Canada's national anthem.
"Eh aboot, ehhhhhhh ABOOOOOTTTT HOCKEY MAPLE SYRUP ABOOOOOTTTT!!!!"
pleasepaypreacher.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblFx1aXpeU
I urge you to check out the lyrics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMTz9nIUkGc
It's a bad drinking song with rewritten lyrics.
The administrator cannot simply believe that violence is more likely than it was before--after all, as in Tinker, any controversial opinion could, theoretically, lead to a fight. It has to be that they believe violence, or comparably significant disruption, has become significantly likely. I doubt that belief is reasonable in this situation, especially given that nothing (which is exactly what I would expect) actually happened on the first day.
Edit: And freedom.
In my High School you could sit out the pledge quietly, but it made you stand out like a sore thumb and you'd get a lot of shit for it. I was kind of a rebellious teen, so I sat these out. One time a guy tried to lift me out of my set to get me to say the pledge.
In my elementary school, you had to say both the Pledge of Allegiance and the Christian Pledge. I'm not even sure if the second one was a real thing, or just made up for our school. Let me look it up...
Ah yes
It's pretty hard to break the law by speaking your religious beliefs, though. That's kind of the point.
my mind is blown
So YA thought YA might like to goooo toooo the shoooow
*hit elevator button*
Feeeeel the warm thrill of emotion
that space cadet glow,
well, I've got some bad news for you sunshine
Pink isn't well, he's stayed back in the Hotel
And they sent us along, as a surrogate band
We're gonna find out where you fans really staa-ha-haaaaand.
*elevator dings*
Are there any queers in the audience tonight, GET THEM UP AGAINST THE WALL
*Elevator doors open*
And that one looks jewish, AND THAT ONE's A COON, WHO LET ALL THIS RIFF RAFF INTO THE ROOM!
*People on the elevator: :x *
*Galahad: *
Children do not have full extension of their rights. This includes speech.
Regardless of anything happened or would happen, it was in the Principal's authority to do what he had to do.
From what I understand, he allowed "Gay Pride" and "Straight Pride" shirts. He made the Straight Pride shirts mark out their offensive religious text.
profM, this church my grandpa goes to once used the christian pledge
I don't remember if it used those lyrics, though
wtf
They most definitely cannot do that in public school. Your school sucked balls.
a racoon or a person of color.
Is the pledge actually about anything, really? I always thought it was just a silly custom you guys have, like British people and the Queen, or Australians and institutionalised racism.
hell of a hard song to sing when you're drunk, too
You're still going to get in trouble if you go around saying "Fags must all die!"