because obnoxiously telling people thier beliefs are wrong never made anyone change thier beliefs
Uhm.
Thats not what they do? They focus mostly on encouraging people who are atheist to come out publicly and for those who have questions to come and discuss whatever they want. Its not like they walk around handing out pamphlets. Its like any other campus organization. they hold events and whoever comes will come.
Last week they had a Christian apologist group come give a lecture on abortion, then had some question & answer sessions.
They also regularly have panels and moderated discussions between different religious groups on campus.
because obnoxiously telling people thier beliefs are wrong never made anyone change thier beliefs
Uhm.
Thats not what they do? They focus mostly on encouraging people who are atheist to come out publicly and for those who have questions to come and discuss whatever they want. Its not like they walk around handing out pamphlets. Its like any other campus organization. they hold events and whoever comes will come.
Last week they had a Christian apologist group come give a lecture on abortion, then had some question & answer sessions.
They also regularly have panels and moderated discussions between different religious groups on campus.
I find atheism pretty interesting because I have a lot of friends who I consider pretty much 'militant' atheists. Two of them run a "Freethought" group on campus and basically hold debates with Christian organizations and seminars/discussions about different topics relating to religion.
They are the kinds of dudes who say "I'M AN ATHEIST DEAL W/ IT LOL" and are unapologetically up front about their atheism. A couple of them wear these temporary tattoos on their wrists to events and stuff as this "Scarlet Letter" campaign to get atheists to out themselves publicly.
I have never really considered myself an atheist - more like a very strong agnostic - but the more I think about it the more I'm beginning to see their point.
He isn't a dick in The God Delusion. He was pretty confrontational in some of the documentaries he filmed around that time - I'm pretty sure the producers put him up to it for better ratings, but still, he's not a child and he knew what he was doing. The people he was confrontational with were usually complete fuckwits though so I guess the worst you could say there is that they deserved each other.
In general he was very blunt with his views, but always calm and reasoned. A lot of people didn't like what he was saying, understandably, but rather than muster a counter argument a lot of them misdirected their ire on to how he was saying it. As a result, the Richard Dawkins you read and the Richard Dawkins you read about ended up being two very different people.
Of course then he goes and says something about how women in niqabs look like they're wearing garbage bags and I'm like, ding, this is where I get off the fanbus, have a nice life Dick.
I plan on being at a bar on Saturday. I'ma get off of work at 5pm PST, I'm gonna go down to Black Raven Brewery in Redmond and I'm gonna drink their Grandfather Raven Imperial Stout till the rapture takes me, or the kick my ass out cus I can't pay my tab.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not but there are a lot of people who do not want to "come out" as atheists because of discrimination and complete misunderstanding of what being an atheist is. They are afraid of being disowned by their families, friends, or loved ones. They are afraid of discrimination. I mean its not much different from being, say, Jewish or Muslim in america.
Actually. in the case of Judaism at least, it's probably worse to be atheist.
As a completely obvious example - there is exactly one elected member of congress who is an outed atheist. Compared to 14 Jewish congressmen. With the education level of the average U.S. congressperson its statistically improbably that only one is an atheist. Its way more likely that some of them are pretending to be religious because they know it would be incredibly difficult to be elected as an atheist.
I learned about God at an impressionable age. Currently I don't really see a point in believing one way or the other. It's not relevant enough to my life to spent a lot of thought in! I suppose technically I'd be agnostic, it's just that humans are far more interesting than gods. If a God created us, then I think he's awesome for doing so. If not, well, we're still around anyway, so whats it really matter?
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Some other fun things about the kid in the article I linked, from his reddit thread:
-He originally told the school that he would be getting the ACLU involved if they went through with the prayer. In the letter he only used his initials, but the administration found out who it was and outed him to the whole school
-He has received death threats
-Someone took a video of the rehearsal and put it on youtube. The student who was originally going to be giving the invocation (now the moment of silence) chosen to say to hell with the law and say a prayer anyway.
If you are in the American South or any rural area, it's best to not be too vocal about being an atheist. The shear fact that you exist is not taken well by the people who live there
Honestly not joking. I've just never witnessed discrimination against atheists personally, I guess! Which is weird because I live in a fairly conservative, rural area.
Ugh yes let's take a telephone survey article where they don't list the exact questions asked as absolute truth, because those results can always be trusted.
This isn't to say that it's unlikely atheists are highly untrusted by the majority populace, or that the article doesn't have a good general message on education, it's just that unless you know exactly what the questions being asked are study results like this mean fuck all. Poor or vague wording on a survey question can color the answer and then you can just throw down whatever results you want.
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Honestly not joking. I've just never witnessed discrimination against atheists personally, I guess! Which is weird because I live in a fairly conservative, rural area.
Honestly not joking. I've just never witnessed discrimination against atheists personally, I guess! Which is weird because I live in a fairly conservative, rural area.
Yeah, in the pacific northwest
in a county that hasn't voted for a Democrat for President in the last forty years
but yeah, I see your point
I can't imagine what it would be like to live in an area like that
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because obnoxiously telling people thier beliefs are wrong never made anyone change thier beliefs
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
one of the dudes who effectively invented formalized logical debate believed it
I don't really know what I'm trying to say cause it's late and I'm tired
Please advise.
incredible
heheh
humors
Uhm.
Thats not what they do? They focus mostly on encouraging people who are atheist to come out publicly and for those who have questions to come and discuss whatever they want. Its not like they walk around handing out pamphlets. Its like any other campus organization. they hold events and whoever comes will come.
Last week they had a Christian apologist group come give a lecture on abortion, then had some question & answer sessions.
They also regularly have panels and moderated discussions between different religious groups on campus.
I hate that any actual refutation of this sounds exactly like bullshit.
FUCKIN ATHEISTS
He isn't a dick in The God Delusion. He was pretty confrontational in some of the documentaries he filmed around that time - I'm pretty sure the producers put him up to it for better ratings, but still, he's not a child and he knew what he was doing. The people he was confrontational with were usually complete fuckwits though so I guess the worst you could say there is that they deserved each other.
In general he was very blunt with his views, but always calm and reasoned. A lot of people didn't like what he was saying, understandably, but rather than muster a counter argument a lot of them misdirected their ire on to how he was saying it. As a result, the Richard Dawkins you read and the Richard Dawkins you read about ended up being two very different people.
Of course then he goes and says something about how women in niqabs look like they're wearing garbage bags and I'm like, ding, this is where I get off the fanbus, have a nice life Dick.
it's just the people who are jerks about it suck
where x is a system of beliefs
I think he'll drink himself to death pretty soon.
End. Of. Story.
Also, fuck yeah 2nd doctor!
Rural [strike]South[/strike] Anywhere
Probably the South, it's pretty common to hate any atheists you can find down here
I mean, you get shit like this in the south because an atheist called out a school for violating the constitution by having a prayer during graduation
From the article:
Also Planned Parenthood should burn, according to them.
In America. In the mid-west. Is this a joke?
I can't tell if you're being serious or not but there are a lot of people who do not want to "come out" as atheists because of discrimination and complete misunderstanding of what being an atheist is. They are afraid of being disowned by their families, friends, or loved ones. They are afraid of discrimination. I mean its not much different from being, say, Jewish or Muslim in america.
Actually. in the case of Judaism at least, it's probably worse to be atheist.
As a completely obvious example - there is exactly one elected member of congress who is an outed atheist. Compared to 14 Jewish congressmen. With the education level of the average U.S. congressperson its statistically improbably that only one is an atheist. Its way more likely that some of them are pretending to be religious because they know it would be incredibly difficult to be elected as an atheist.
Like, when I first heard about God I laughed my ass off, thinking it was a joke or something.
-He originally told the school that he would be getting the ACLU involved if they went through with the prayer. In the letter he only used his initials, but the administration found out who it was and outed him to the whole school
-He has received death threats
-Someone took a video of the rehearsal and put it on youtube. The student who was originally going to be giving the invocation (now the moment of silence) chosen to say to hell with the law and say a prayer anyway.
If you are in the American South or any rural area, it's best to not be too vocal about being an atheist. The shear fact that you exist is not taken well by the people who live there
Honestly not joking. I've just never witnessed discrimination against atheists personally, I guess! Which is weird because I live in a fairly conservative, rural area.
Ugh yes let's take a telephone survey article where they don't list the exact questions asked as absolute truth, because those results can always be trusted.
This isn't to say that it's unlikely atheists are highly untrusted by the majority populace, or that the article doesn't have a good general message on education, it's just that unless you know exactly what the questions being asked are study results like this mean fuck all. Poor or vague wording on a survey question can color the answer and then you can just throw down whatever results you want.
Yeah, in the pacific northwest
those godless pinko commie bastard Russians
in a county that hasn't voted for a Democrat for President in the last forty years
but yeah, I see your point
I can't imagine what it would be like to live in an area like that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNGGNomLx_c
she said it was terrible
Your sister was luck she made it out of the state.
We was all ready to party with the pitchforks and torches before she bounced.
Tell her to write us sometime. We don't hold grudges.
Much.