Can we please stop posting things that the show failed to include from the book? (At least that is what I'm assuming you are alluding to Avicus). See thread title for details.
Yeah, the look on the Dothraki's face when what should have been the killing blow just got his sickle stuck in Mormont's armor instead was awesome.
They're using Khopeshes, which went out of style around 3000 years ago. For all the talk about stupid Westeros people in slow, heavy armor, I'd say they have a technological advantage.
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Saying she's a porn star instead of saying "Oh my god, it's the amazing actress from Gegen Die Wand" is all kinds of silly.
Can't recommend the movie high enough.
So I think they missed out on a good cinematic opportunity with this.
if they had had the execution scene as the second to last scene in the finale followed by either a scene at the wall/another view/attack by the white walkers and then cut to black till next season then it would have perfectly mirrored how the season started
Also does everyone in Westeros us
giant bastard swords solely for executions?
That seems to be their one use in the show. To be fair I don't know how practical they'd be in battle.
Other than that though this episode was amazing. Every scene felt like a meaningful big reveal and I'm just waiting for all hell to break loose. The one thing I notice and i don't know if this is book related or HBO related but it seems like in the time left this season there's only one plot that even has a chance at resolution in one episode
So I think they missed out on a good cinematic opportunity with this.
if they had had the execution scene as the second to last scene in the finale followed by either a scene at the wall/another view/attack by the white walkers and then cut to black till next season then it would have perfectly mirrored how the season started
Also does everyone in Westeros us
giant bastard swords solely for executions?
That seems to be their one use in the show. To be fair I don't know how practical they'd be in battle.
Other than that though this episode was amazing. Every scene felt like a meaningful big reveal and I'm just waiting for all hell to break loose. The one thing I notice and i don't know if this is book related or HBO related but it seems like in the time left this season there's only one plot that even has a chance at resolution in one episode
denarys/drohgo
The
sword is Ned's. They took it when they took him.
Also, these last few pages have been so much fun to read.
Valyan steel is also described as being extremely light and easy to handle
so their size isn't as much of an issue
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In the Khal vs Mormont battle, I didn't think the khopesh got stuck so much as it was thrust with a lot of force, didn't break the steel, and then Mormont held there with his arm before he dealt the "killing" blow (insofar as cutting someone's cheek open kills them) back.
Honestly that sword just looks way too big to be of use in single combat. Its huge, heavy and unwieldy and you can't get it back in position after a swing quickly enough to parry if your opponent dodges.
In the Khal vs Mormont battle, I didn't think the khopesh got stuck so much as it was thrust with a lot of force, didn't break the steel, and then Mormont held there with his arm before he dealt the "killing" blow (insofar as cutting someone's cheek open kills them) back.
I thought that
was this throat not the cheek. The bloodrider caught him on the cheek with his khopesh earlier in the fight.
I was really REALLY REALLY hoping that maybe Ser Barristan or SOMEONE was gonna fucking jump in there and save the day. Arya is gonna have to marry some oaf now. UGH.
I must applaud the scene though. Ned's reactions and the direction paralleled my thought process..."What? This is really gonna happen isn't it. OH NO. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. NO. NO. NOOO."
Honestly that sword just looks way too big to be of use in single combat. Its huge, heavy and unwieldy and you can't get it back in position after a swing quickly enough to parry if your opponent dodges.
As was mentioned, Ice is made of Valyrian steel, which is almost unnaturally light.
Aside from that, using a greatsword is a tradeoff only if you're not strong enough to bring it back to bear quickly after a swing. You and I cringe at the thought of swinging the thing and then bringing it back to a ready position, but Ned is a pretty burly guy. It would really only take one hit to down someone in armor
(like Jaime)
with one of those, which is probably worth it to a reasonably strong man with a preternaturally light and sharp sword.
What I think is crazy is this is the second time it's happened.
when fellowship came out I had a discussion with my mom about how Sean Bean was our favorite part of the movie then he died to save all the mere mortal actors and now we have this. This man can just not get a break. But damn it he's fantastic.
Tyrion managed to Jar Jar Binks his ass out of getting killed in the battle. Was this a money/time saving idea, so they didn't have to show the fight? I am not of a fan of these happy accident type plot resolutions. His father was trying to get him killed, that is important. Getting knocked out without dealing with that seemed cheap.
Otherwise, everything else was perfect. Even knowing what was coming, watching Arya in the final scene choked me up a little.
Tyrion managed to Jar Jar Binks his ass out of getting killed in the battle. Was this a money/time saving idea, so they didn't have to show the fight? I am not of a fan of these happy accident type plot resolutions. His father was trying to get him killed, that is important. Getting knocked out without dealing with that seemed cheap.
Otherwise, everything else was perfect. Even knowing what was coming, watching Arya in the final scene choked me up a little.
I think it was more to...
prevent showing the surprise Rob had in store.
2000 men being slaughtered doesn't look like 20,000 fighting a slightly equal/larger army.
Sorry that was just me not knowing what the hell sword types where. I thought bastards where the biggest of them all so that's why I called it that.
Eh, I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. Sword naming conventions are all over the place. For example, there's the D&D and fantasy naming conventions that many of us are used to, in which a longsword is a one handed sword. Then there is the more historical naming conventions, in which a longsword is a sword that is used two handed almost exclusively. If you want to get really precise you can use Oakeshott typology, but let's be honest if someone talked about how Ned was wielding a subtype XVIa sword we'd all give them a funny look, and deservedly so.
The problem is that we are all making up this names pretty much after the fact. What we call a rapier now, people just called a sword when they used it. If they had to distinguish it from a military sword, they would have just called it a civilian sword. It's only after the fact that people have gone back and tried to make neat categorizations.
What Ned fights Jamie with looks closest to a (historical) longsword to me, seems a little big to be a side or arming sword. He definitely doesn't fight with the executioner sword though. That thing is a ceremonial weapon, its too big for combat.
Sorry that was just me not knowing what the hell sword types where. I thought bastards where the biggest of them all so that's why I called it that.
Eh, I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. Sword naming conventions are all over the place. For example, there's the D&D and fantasy naming conventions that many of us are used to, in which a longsword is a one handed sword. Then there is the more historical naming conventions, in which a longsword is a sword that is used two handed almost exclusively. If you want to get really precise you can use Oakeshott typology, but let's be honest if someone talked about how Ned was wielding a subtype XVIa sword we'd all give them a funny look, and deservedly so.
The problem is that we are all making up this names pretty much after the fact. What we call a rapier now, people just called a sword when they used it. If they had to distinguish it from a military sword, they would have just called it a civilian sword. It's only after the fact that people have gone back and tried to make neat categorizations.
What Ned fights Jamie with looks closest to a (historical) longsword to me, seems a little big to be a side or arming sword. He definitely doesn't fight with the executioner sword though. That thing is a ceremonial weapon, its too big for combat.
He definitely was not fighting with Ice during his fight with Jaime....though I didn't think about it much at the time. I also think it looks like a Longsword.
And to answer an older post.....Longswords are larger than bastard swords. Bastards can be wielded with one hand, with a little bit of extra hilt in case you need/want a second hand. Longswords are specifically designed to be wielded two- handed, and while you *could* wield one with one hand, it would be sloppy and uncontrolled as it's not weighted properly for single handed combat.
I loved Ep.9, I love the non-bookites reaction of Ep9 even more. I have waited long to taste you delicious tears of woe....it was worth it.
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but let's be honest if someone talked about how Ned was wielding a subtype XVIa sword we'd all give them a funny look, and deservedly so.
EP 9 SPOILERS
Ilyn Payne rolls to hit 1d20: (20) CRITICAL HIT!
Ilyn Payne rolls for damage (4d6+5) x 2: 58 damage
Ned Stark dies!
It's strange that Ilyn Payne has no + to hit, and even stranger than he didn't roll a confirmation on his critical. But he is delivering a coup de grace, which would be a critical whether he rolled a 20 or not.
So while watching the intro last night, I once again admired the detail on the astrolabe rings showing the recent history of Westeros, and I thought to myself "Self, those are some classy designs, somebody should make a series of embossed copper bracelets or something featuring them. In fact, I'm sure someone on Etsy already has, because it's not like those people care about copyrights or anything. I should buy one!"
This morning, I searched for "game of thrones" on Etsy. I found the usual lulzy crap and nonsensical junk (nothing says "men of the Night's Watch" like a lovely silver charm bracelet!), and an inexplicable severed horse head catnip toy, but to my surprise and sorrow, no classy bracelets! (And no, this doesn't count, it's just leather strands with a stupid Chinese coin, what does that have to do with Arya).
So, at this point, I'm wondering about maybe doing something myself. Not a bracelet, because I'm not, like, a metalsmith or anything. But I used to play around with modelling clay a bit, and I'm thinking it wouldn't be *too* hard to make up some small clay panels, maybe to hang on a wall or something.
Of course, if anyone is already doing something along these lines, I would rather buy their version because it would probably be better. Also, if anyone knows where I could find high-resolution versions of the three rings, I would appreciate a link. I pulled these off a 720p YouTube version of the trailer, and tried to clean them up a bit - you can see where I stitched two of them together - but if someone else has clean versions, those would be awesome.
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They're using Khopeshes, which went out of style around 3000 years ago. For all the talk about stupid Westeros people in slow, heavy armor, I'd say they have a technological advantage.
He gives off that Mormon Fundamentalist in the Compound vibe pretty well.
I love the honor contrast between what Robb does and what Ned does.
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Saying she's a porn star instead of saying "Oh my god, it's the amazing actress from Gegen Die Wand" is all kinds of silly.
Can't recommend the movie high enough.
Also does everyone in Westeros us
Other than that though this episode was amazing. Every scene felt like a meaningful big reveal and I'm just waiting for all hell to break loose. The one thing I notice and i don't know if this is book related or HBO related but it seems like in the time left this season there's only one plot that even has a chance at resolution in one episode
The
Also, these last few pages have been so much fun to read.
I am pretty sure Ned
I assumed the normal sized sword he carried on him most of the time was.
so their size isn't as much of an issue
I thought that
Sorry that was just me not knowing what the hell sword types where. I thought bastards where the biggest of them all so that's why I called it that.
I must applaud the scene though. Ned's reactions and the direction paralleled my thought process..."What? This is really gonna happen isn't it. OH NO. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. NO. NO. NOOO."
Boobees!
As was mentioned, Ice is made of Valyrian steel, which is almost unnaturally light.
Aside from that, using a greatsword is a tradeoff only if you're not strong enough to bring it back to bear quickly after a swing. You and I cringe at the thought of swinging the thing and then bringing it back to a ready position, but Ned is a pretty burly guy. It would really only take one hit to down someone in armor
with one of those, which is probably worth it to a reasonably strong man with a preternaturally light and sharp sword.
Yeah, the sword that Commander Mormont gives Jon, "Longclaw" is a bastard sword (appropriately enough).
And Longclaw is Valyrian steel too!
After reading a bunch of facebook statsusi from last night (just happenchance)...
GORRAM IT I LIKED NED.
That's too many death of my favorite characters so far (see: Syrio)
And I am quite sure they'll find SOME way to end the season on a high note.
To be fair,
when fellowship came out I had a discussion with my mom about how Sean Bean was our favorite part of the movie then he died to save all the mere mortal actors and now we have this. This man can just not get a break. But damn it he's fantastic.
Otherwise, everything else was perfect. Even knowing what was coming, watching Arya in the final scene choked me up a little.
I think it was more to...
2000 men being slaughtered doesn't look like 20,000 fighting a slightly equal/larger army.
Eh, I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. Sword naming conventions are all over the place. For example, there's the D&D and fantasy naming conventions that many of us are used to, in which a longsword is a one handed sword. Then there is the more historical naming conventions, in which a longsword is a sword that is used two handed almost exclusively. If you want to get really precise you can use Oakeshott typology, but let's be honest if someone talked about how Ned was wielding a subtype XVIa sword we'd all give them a funny look, and deservedly so.
The problem is that we are all making up this names pretty much after the fact. What we call a rapier now, people just called a sword when they used it. If they had to distinguish it from a military sword, they would have just called it a civilian sword. It's only after the fact that people have gone back and tried to make neat categorizations.
What Ned fights Jamie with looks closest to a (historical) longsword to me, seems a little big to be a side or arming sword. He definitely doesn't fight with the executioner sword though. That thing is a ceremonial weapon, its too big for combat.
EP 9 SPOILERS
Ilyn Payne rolls for damage (4d6+5) x 2: 58 damage
Ned Stark dies!
:^:
http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/06/08/gif_reaction.gif
Just imagine 2 are show watchers and one is a book reader
And to answer an older post.....Longswords are larger than bastard swords. Bastards can be wielded with one hand, with a little bit of extra hilt in case you need/want a second hand. Longswords are specifically designed to be wielded two- handed, and while you *could* wield one with one hand, it would be sloppy and uncontrolled as it's not weighted properly for single handed combat.
I loved Ep.9, I love the non-bookites reaction of Ep9 even more. I have waited long to taste you delicious tears of woe....it was worth it.
(spoilers, obv.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owf6D2vfZqM
See, I was hoping you'd respond with something about the 4D6...
But yeah I think it's pretty clear my joke failed on a fundamental level
This morning, I searched for "game of thrones" on Etsy. I found the usual lulzy crap and nonsensical junk (nothing says "men of the Night's Watch" like a lovely silver charm bracelet!), and an inexplicable severed horse head catnip toy, but to my surprise and sorrow, no classy bracelets! (And no, this doesn't count, it's just leather strands with a stupid Chinese coin, what does that have to do with Arya).
So, at this point, I'm wondering about maybe doing something myself. Not a bracelet, because I'm not, like, a metalsmith or anything. But I used to play around with modelling clay a bit, and I'm thinking it wouldn't be *too* hard to make up some small clay panels, maybe to hang on a wall or something.
Of course, if anyone is already doing something along these lines, I would rather buy their version because it would probably be better. Also, if anyone knows where I could find high-resolution versions of the three rings, I would appreciate a link. I pulled these off a 720p YouTube version of the trailer, and tried to clean them up a bit - you can see where I stitched two of them together - but if someone else has clean versions, those would be awesome.