[HBO] Game of Thrones - TV only, NO BOOK DISCUSSION

Inquisitor

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Episode 9 spoilers:

Genuinely I'm mostly surprised that Ned made it this far into the series, I'm surprised that he wasn't killed in the throne room when he tried to declare Joffery a false king. But, I guess if you can get the guy with the inside scoop on all your dirt to declare you innocent and then murder him, all the better. The second Ned got dragged in front of the crowd I knew he was done, there was a definite sense of inevitable to the whole thing. What Joffery did makes perfect sense to secure his throne, if he let Ned go, do you really think he was going to quietly bugger off and take the black and not meet up with the army coming to save him, possibly merge with a Baratheon force and overthrow Joffery?

When a new regime takes over you take out your opposition. It's being a prince 101. Of course, when I read Machiavelli I was nodding my head going "yeah that makes sense" for pretty much the whole thing.

Also, something that's kinda getting swept under the rug with all the hubabaloo abound the beheading: Apparently magic in Westeros is a real thing? I mean, that tent was making pretty otherwordly noises. We gonna get a zombie Khal?

Lastly, glad to see armored knight versus unarmored warrior go down just about exactly how I expected it to.

I have a feeling joffrey's actions there will be his undoing. The starks will stop at nothing to destroy the lannisters now.

Quite possibly. It also has the potential to unravel the entire Stark force (their reason for marching south is partially destroyed, or at least altered). It also puts them out a great leader and tactician with lots of potential political connections etc. It could definitely backfire, but, letting him live had an even greater potential to backfire. This way he has to fight the starks, which he was probably going to have to do anyway, but for now the legitimacy of his king ship has been secured.

Hank_Scorpio

Inquisitor wrote: »

Hank_Scorpio wrote: »

schuss wrote: »

Hank_Scorpio wrote: »

Are they fucking kidding

This show is fucked up and to kill off the biggest star the series will probably ever have in the first season is ridiculous

I know it's based off the books etc. etc. but Sean Bean carried this entire show and now I can only assume Season 2 is going to be pretty radically different

And is Drogo being killed off too? Fuck. This isn't even like The Wire where when someone gets killed off it pretty much makes sense and has been built up, this is just straight up gut punches.

Ha! Welcome to a Song of Ice and Fire. Just wait. :winky:

I thought I understood the moral of the show and most likely series a couple episodes ago, but now I don't know...

As I understand it, the point of the series is to show that life is fucked up and only the rich and strong win. Honor means nothing, as per Ned's death. Drogo is the strongest motherfucker in the show and he dies to a wound that he basically inflicted to himself, because he's had thousands of wounds like that and it doesn't mean anything to him. So now it's becoming more like, only the rich win, and even if you're strong and/or honorable you'll probably die or luck will be against you.

It's playing against the conventions of fantasy fiction, which is cool, but I'm afraid as the series progresses it'll mostly just be to fuck with it's viewers. The Wire did things like this for depicting how the real world is, but GoT is set in a fictional world built to be bizarre and evil.

This is all coming from an uninformed viewer, so it's yet to be seen if my ideas about the book series hold up as I start to read them.

To me its just trying to tell a good story. Why does it need a moral? Maybe that's just me though.

Well not moral, but the theme of it. And yeah it doesn't necessarily have to have one, but I think this series does and I just haven't seen enough to quite nail it yet. I do know that

When Joffrey gets his comeuppance it's going to be more glorious than when Darth Vader killed The Emperor.

Casual Eddy

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Episode 9 spoilers:

Genuinely I'm mostly surprised that Ned made it this far into the series, I'm surprised that he wasn't killed in the throne room when he tried to declare Joffery a false king. But, I guess if you can get the guy with the inside scoop on all your dirt to declare you innocent and then murder him, all the better. The second Ned got dragged in front of the crowd I knew he was done, there was a definite sense of inevitable to the whole thing. What Joffery did makes perfect sense to secure his throne, if he let Ned go, do you really think he was going to quietly bugger off and take the black and not meet up with the army coming to save him, possibly merge with a Baratheon force and overthrow Joffery?

When a new regime takes over you take out your opposition. It's being a prince 101. Of course, when I read Machiavelli I was nodding my head going "yeah that makes sense" for pretty much the whole thing.

Also, something that's kinda getting swept under the rug with all the hubabaloo abound the beheading: Apparently magic in Westeros is a real thing? I mean, that tent was making pretty otherwordly noises. We gonna get a zombie Khal?

Lastly, glad to see armored knight versus unarmored warrior go down just about exactly how I expected it to.

I have a feeling joffrey's actions there will be his undoing. The starks will stop at nothing to destroy the lannisters now.

Quite possibly. It also has the potential to unravel the entire Stark force (their reason for marching south is partially destroyed, or at least altered). It also puts them out a great leader and tactician with lots of potential political connections etc. It could definitely backfire, but, letting him live had an even greater potential to backfire. This way he has to fight the starks, which he was probably going to have to do anyway, but for now the legitimacy of his king ship has been secured.

They were doing fine without him. IF anything their position has been strengthened, they can't assume sansa will be safe so they have good reason to try and get back their hostaged daughter.

Ned was well liked in the north, and i'm guessing that Robb's early success and the desire for vengeance will cement his forces together.

Inquisitor

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Episode 9 spoilers:

Genuinely I'm mostly surprised that Ned made it this far into the series, I'm surprised that he wasn't killed in the throne room when he tried to declare Joffery a false king. But, I guess if you can get the guy with the inside scoop on all your dirt to declare you innocent and then murder him, all the better. The second Ned got dragged in front of the crowd I knew he was done, there was a definite sense of inevitable to the whole thing. What Joffery did makes perfect sense to secure his throne, if he let Ned go, do you really think he was going to quietly bugger off and take the black and not meet up with the army coming to save him, possibly merge with a Baratheon force and overthrow Joffery?

When a new regime takes over you take out your opposition. It's being a prince 101. Of course, when I read Machiavelli I was nodding my head going "yeah that makes sense" for pretty much the whole thing.

Also, something that's kinda getting swept under the rug with all the hubabaloo abound the beheading: Apparently magic in Westeros is a real thing? I mean, that tent was making pretty otherwordly noises. We gonna get a zombie Khal?

Lastly, glad to see armored knight versus unarmored warrior go down just about exactly how I expected it to.

I have a feeling joffrey's actions there will be his undoing. The starks will stop at nothing to destroy the lannisters now.

Quite possibly. It also has the potential to unravel the entire Stark force (their reason for marching south is partially destroyed, or at least altered). It also puts them out a great leader and tactician with lots of potential political connections etc. It could definitely backfire, but, letting him live had an even greater potential to backfire. This way he has to fight the starks, which he was probably going to have to do anyway, but for now the legitimacy of his king ship has been secured.

They were doing fine without him. IF anything their position has been strengthened, they can't assume sansa will be safe so they have good reason to try and get back their hostaged daughter.

Ned was well liked in the north, and i'm guessing that Robb's early success and the desire for vengeance will cement his forces together.

Push comes to shove he was going to have to fight Robb's army. He could fight it with Ned leading it, a seasoned veteran who also knows all of his secrets. Or he could have that man dead. Choice seems very clear cut to me *shrugs*

Asiina

The series isn't about morals, but I will agree that it does have some strong themes. At least one of which you learned about in this episode

Life's a bitch. Being honourable does not make you immune to tragedy. This isn't a story about white knights and fair maidens where the "good" guy defeats the "evil" guy. Life is far more complicated than that and you can't rely on the standard fantasy tropes to guide you through.

It's funny because this is a lesson the audience/reader needs to learn, but it's also one Sansa needs to learn and everyone hates Sansa for being so dense. Sansa is a young girl who believes what she has been taught: be proper and obedient and good prince will love you and carry you off to be his queen.

And we all think she's awful for being so dumb.

Now who's the dumb ones. :P

It's you

Also me

But mostly you

Casual Eddy

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Episode 9 spoilers:

Genuinely I'm mostly surprised that Ned made it this far into the series, I'm surprised that he wasn't killed in the throne room when he tried to declare Joffery a false king. But, I guess if you can get the guy with the inside scoop on all your dirt to declare you innocent and then murder him, all the better. The second Ned got dragged in front of the crowd I knew he was done, there was a definite sense of inevitable to the whole thing. What Joffery did makes perfect sense to secure his throne, if he let Ned go, do you really think he was going to quietly bugger off and take the black and not meet up with the army coming to save him, possibly merge with a Baratheon force and overthrow Joffery?

When a new regime takes over you take out your opposition. It's being a prince 101. Of course, when I read Machiavelli I was nodding my head going "yeah that makes sense" for pretty much the whole thing.

Also, something that's kinda getting swept under the rug with all the hubabaloo abound the beheading: Apparently magic in Westeros is a real thing? I mean, that tent was making pretty otherwordly noises. We gonna get a zombie Khal?

Lastly, glad to see armored knight versus unarmored warrior go down just about exactly how I expected it to.

I have a feeling joffrey's actions there will be his undoing. The starks will stop at nothing to destroy the lannisters now.

Quite possibly. It also has the potential to unravel the entire Stark force (their reason for marching south is partially destroyed, or at least altered). It also puts them out a great leader and tactician with lots of potential political connections etc. It could definitely backfire, but, letting him live had an even greater potential to backfire. This way he has to fight the starks, which he was probably going to have to do anyway, but for now the legitimacy of his king ship has been secured.

They were doing fine without him. IF anything their position has been strengthened, they can't assume sansa will be safe so they have good reason to try and get back their hostaged daughter.

Ned was well liked in the north, and i'm guessing that Robb's early success and the desire for vengeance will cement his forces together.

Push comes to shove he was going to have to fight Robb's army. He could fight it with Ned leading it, a seasoned veteran who also knows all of his secrets. Or he could have that man dead. Choice seems very clear cut to me *shrugs*

cersei was obviously upset by the action - she's the seasoned politician and joffrey is not, as we have already seen. Joffrey was being nothing more than a child who was angry about not being called the real king.

Hachface

I get irrationally annoyed when people define this series's themes in opposition to "typical" fantasy, for a couple reasons. One, there is actually a lot of fantasy fiction out there that has non-cliched stories and a gritty aesthetic (I'll grant this is rarer on TV). Also, I really don't think this series has an anti-cliche agenda. I think it's just well-made.

Inquisitor

Casual Eddy wrote: »

cersei was obviously upset by the action - she's the seasoned politician and joffrey is not, as we have already seen. Joffrey was being nothing more than a child who was angry about not being called the real king.

I don't think that Cersei's emotional response to something is the end all be all arbiter of if it was a deft political maneuver or not. She's not done a particularly good job of keeping her big secret very well...secret.

Hachface

Casual Eddy wrote: »

cersei was obviously upset by the action - she's the seasoned politician and joffrey is not, as we have already seen. Joffrey was being nothing more than a child who was angry about not being called the real king.

Yuuup.

Killing Ned was a really bad move. The Starks have Jaime hostage now, and with Ned executed it's fucking certain that they won't forge a peace agreement -- not before Stannis or Renly makes his claim.

Shaggy

initiatefailure wrote: »

not reading anything on this page (even though its been ruined for me already) but if you don't want to be spoiled instantly if you haven't seen the episode yet/nonbookreader then DO NOT GO TO KOTAKU because the headline of the first article is trying to fuck you.


DO NOT GO TO KOTAKU

I feel like that wasn't spoiling the episode exactly.

I think the article just meant that there was a lack of Sean Bean in the game. They don't mention anything about him being killed. I think it's just a coincidence that it was posted tonight.

initiatefailure

Well damn. I didn't even know they where making a game. nevermind. I may have overreacted as soon as I saw the headline.

I got rid of that post to not accidentally spoil anyone who does the same thing I did

Decoy

Damnit it all to fucking hell. Seriously?.....

As a life long sports fan, I finally got to see my Mavericks win their first championship and instead of being overjoyed and stupidly giddy (as I should be) I'm going to bed in a weird mix of shocked/pissed/dumbstruck/amazed at this damn show. I really should have put off watching this til tomorrow. I can't requote and lime the "What the fuck?" post enough to do it justice, so I won't bother.

Continuing to read the first book for the first time is going to be tough knowing THAT is eventually going to happen.

And fuck, poor John Snow.... and Arya.... and Ice (I assume it was taken from Ned when he was captured). With Ned gone, John's chances of finding out anything about his mom is pretty much gone. Arya is going to handed to some fucking shit family because of "fine print" on a war deal.

Three of my four favorite characters in my limited time with this series just got fucked over and frustrating as it is, I'm still going to watch and I'm still going to fight through reading the books. Call me naive but SOMEONE I like has to have SOME semblance of a decent, non-tragic story. Tyrion is my last hope.

Just.... fuck.

Edit: I added rant more to the spoiler cause I'm still.... blah.

Xeddicus

Waiting for this to continue is going to be so annoying even if you already know what happens, I can't imagine the poor people who will have to go to the books to speed it up and then get to wait even longer eventually. :P

Transporter

Episode 9 discussion

Ned would have taken the Black. He was basically pleading "Please don't kill my daughter's I'll do exactly what you want". He's a man of his word, the Stark's would have all gotten out alive, and Robb would have recalled his forces. They would still be angry, and justifiably so, but it would have meant peace, temporarily, anyway. But at least 20 to 30 ish years

But to cut off his head AFTER he was basically pleading to spare his family's life, to spare the entire realm?

Oh no, shit just got real. Which is why Cersi and...well...EVERYONE was pissed when Joffery pulled that shit.

He basically traded a peaceful reign for the Stark's and every house aligned with them fighting until the last man, the house Berathion getting involved, and shit getting even more out of hand.

And even if he DOES win, there is no way in hell the Lannister's can hold the North. Cersi said as much.

GOD I am going to love every single second of his reign crumbling around him.

hailthefish

Just watched tonight's episode.

I read the book

I knew it was coming

but FUCK! it still burns a bit.

Hank_Scorpio

Transporter wrote: »

Episode 9 discussion

Ned would have taken the Black. He was basically pleading "Please don't kill my daughter's I'll do exactly what you want". He's a man of his word, the Stark's would have all gotten out alive, and Robb would have recalled his forces. They would still be angry, and justifiably so, but it would have meant peace, temporarily, anyway. But at least 20 to 30 ish years

But to cut off his head AFTER he was basically pleading to spare his family's life, to spare the entire realm?

Oh no, shit just got real. Which is why Cersi and...well...EVERYONE was pissed when Joffery pulled that shit.

He basically traded a peaceful reign for the Stark's and every house aligned with them fighting until the last man, the house Berathion getting involved, and shit getting even more out of hand.

And even if he DOES win, there is no way in hell the Lannister's can hold the North. Cersi said as much.

GOD I am going to love every single second of his reign crumbling around him.

And it's Cersei's fault for the dumbshit sadist that is Joffrey. She raised him to be a little shit (everyone is an enemy who isn't us), and it doesn't help that he was born of incest. I'm curious to see her and Jaime's reactions to the impending shitstorm. I think Jaime is in for a major shift in character.

Casual Eddy

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

cersei was obviously upset by the action - she's the seasoned politician and joffrey is not, as we have already seen. Joffrey was being nothing more than a child who was angry about not being called the real king.

I don't think that Cersei's emotional response to something is the end all be all arbiter of if it was a deft political maneuver or not. She's not done a particularly good job of keeping her big secret very well...secret.

I thought she was just pissed because she was losing control of joffrey and she thought it would be a way better idea

keep him alive. Even the spymaster thought it was better he confess.

Inquisitor

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

cersei was obviously upset by the action - she's the seasoned politician and joffrey is not, as we have already seen. Joffrey was being nothing more than a child who was angry about not being called the real king.

I don't think that Cersei's emotional response to something is the end all be all arbiter of if it was a deft political maneuver or not. She's not done a particularly good job of keeping her big secret very well...secret.

I thought she was just pissed because she was losing control of joffrey and she thought it would be a way better idea

keep him alive. Even the spymaster thought it was better he confess.

The spymaster at least thought it was best to tell ned that he thought it was better for ned to confess. I'm personally taking the same stance on him as littlefinger, utterly untrustworthy and will do/say whatever they feel it takes to fulfill their own personal agenda. I definitely am going to take anything that comes out of his mouth with a heaping amount of salt.

enlightenedbum

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

cersei was obviously upset by the action - she's the seasoned politician and joffrey is not, as we have already seen. Joffrey was being nothing more than a child who was angry about not being called the real king.

I don't think that Cersei's emotional response to something is the end all be all arbiter of if it was a deft political maneuver or not. She's not done a particularly good job of keeping her big secret very well...secret.

I thought she was just pissed because she was losing control of joffrey and she thought it would be a way better idea

keep him alive. Even the spymaster thought it was better he confess.

The spymaster at least thought it was best to tell ned that he thought it was better for ned to confess. I'm personally taking the same stance on him as littlefinger, utterly untrustworthy and will do/say whatever they feel it takes to fulfill their own personal agenda. I definitely am going to take anything that comes out of his mouth with a heaping amount of salt.

Out of curiosity:

What do you think Varys' agenda is?

Grombar

I thought it was interesting how

Jaime challenged Robb to an honorable duel for all the marbles, and Robb was smart enough not to accept.

Also, I knew it was coming, but holy shit, was that intense.

Inquisitor

enlightenedbum wrote: »

Out of curiosity:

What do you think Varys' agenda is?

Possibly it is what he says it is, and it is peace. The political machinations of those for the throne are just going to produce more and more war. If Joffery gets to sit as the legitimate air, potentially less war? Also, I can't remember if he was one of the guys that arya overheard talking in the basement/dungeon about...actually hell I can't even remember what they were talking about, I remember missing some of it because one of my friends was cracking a joke at the time. I really should rewatch some episodes.

Behemoth

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

cersei was obviously upset by the action - she's the seasoned politician and joffrey is not, as we have already seen. Joffrey was being nothing more than a child who was angry about not being called the real king.

I don't think that Cersei's emotional response to something is the end all be all arbiter of if it was a deft political maneuver or not. She's not done a particularly good job of keeping her big secret very well...secret.

I thought she was just pissed because she was losing control of joffrey and she thought it would be a way better idea

keep him alive. Even the spymaster thought it was better he confess.

She genuinely didn't want him dead. Because, well, he would just take the Black and live out the rest of his days up there, never plotting rebellion, so long as it saved his family. That's the kind of guy he is, and she knows that. And now she can't use him as a bargaining chip if, say, Jaime happens to somehow get captured.

Oops!

Also: I knew something bad was going to happen with Drogo's wound after the last episode. You don't introduce a healing lady who says the wound is going to fester if it's not actually going to fester! Chekhov's Gun 101!

I hope we get Zombie Drogo.

Decoy

Grombar wrote: »

I thought it was interesting how

Jaime challenged Robb to an honorable duel for all the marbles, and Robb was smart enough not to accept.

Also, I knew it was coming, but holy shit, was that intense.

It was worth a shot on Jamie's part, but I don't see how there was any way Robb was going to take that chance.

Alucard6986

Hank_Scorpio wrote: »

Are they fucking kidding

This show is fucked up and to kill off the biggest star the series will probably ever have in the first season is ridiculous

I know it's based off the books etc. etc. but Sean Bean carried this entire show and now I can only assume Season 2 is going to be pretty radically different

And is Drogo being killed off too? Fuck. This isn't even like The Wire where when someone gets killed off it pretty much makes sense and has been built up, this is just straight up gut punches.

Treme killed off

John goodman in the first season, who's arguably more famous than sean bean

Variable

there better be some fucking blood next week

Hank_Scorpio

Hachface wrote: »

I get irrationally annoyed when people define this series's themes in opposition to "typical" fantasy, for a couple reasons. One, there is actually a lot of fantasy fiction out there that has non-cliched stories and a gritty aesthetic (I'll grant this is rarer on TV). Also, I really don't think this series has an anti-cliche agenda. I think it's just well-made.

It's well made, but they killed off the main character abruptly and depressingly. The reasons for it make sense, but letting him live would have also made sense. This wasn't exactly an imperative, though I'm sure the series will really pick up now. The structure of this show is just incredibly jarring and hard for people to get used to. Sean Bean has been on every poster, trailer, and clip of this show. His journey up until the end of Episode 7 was precarious but didn't really feature enough foreshadowing to suggest a quick death. That's where it goes against typical fantasy. This show is one of a kind.

I feel like if R.R. Martin wrote LOTR, he would have Aragorn killed at the black gates or something like that.

initiatefailure

Holy shit maester spoiler!

Hank_Scorpio

And about Drogo:

So I get the feeling the witch fucked with his wound so it would fester, and she expected khaleesi to sanction the ritual so now she's going to make him into some kind of zombie that she controls.

Khaleesi was fucking stupid to do what she did. Of course the witch would try to kill the guy who just raped and pillaged her land.

Alucard6986

Hank_Scorpio wrote: »

And about Drogo:

So I get the feeling the witch fucked with his wound so it would fester, and she expected khaleesi to sanction the ritual so now she's going to make him into some kind of zombie that she controls.

Khaleesi was fucking stupid to do what she did. Of course the witch would try to kill the guy who just raped and pillaged her land.

The witch kind of reminds me of my land lord. Kindly old lady with horrible necromantic powers

initiatefailure

To go off of my previous comment now that the episode it over... Holy fuck!!!

hailthefish

Alucard6986 wrote: »

Hank_Scorpio wrote: »

And about Drogo:

So I get the feeling the witch fucked with his wound so it would fester, and she expected khaleesi to sanction the ritual so now she's going to make him into some kind of zombie that she controls.

Khaleesi was fucking stupid to do what she did. Of course the witch would try to kill the guy who just raped and pillaged her land.

The witch kind of reminds me of my land lord. Kindly old lady with horrible necromantic powers

Does she tell you the price for your rent is blood?

bikkibikkibo

Hachface wrote: »

Episode 9

I read the book, I knew what was going to happen, but my heart was still pounding. So intense.

I read this and thought "wait a minute, I didn't post anything yet!"

I knew it was coming as well. I kept saying to myself that Eddard dies in two weeks, one week, on sunday, tonight. I have known about this since 2005, but it still had my heart pounding, my breath shallow and a few tears forming in my eyes.

I am also enjoying the reactions of the first timers.

Hank_Scorpio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOoA1OtcNjM

OldSlacker

I love the occasional snickering in the background.

devCharles

Hank_Scorpio wrote: »

And about Drogo:

So I get the feeling the witch fucked with his wound so it would fester, and she expected khaleesi to sanction the ritual so now she's going to make him into some kind of zombie that she controls.

Khaleesi was fucking stupid to do what she did. Of course the witch would try to kill the guy who just raped and pillaged her land.

No kidding.

She just seemed to completely misread the whole situation. You don't think the Sheep people mind that they are continuously shit upon by the Dothraki? They just watched most of the people they know die or be enslaved. Not being raped doesn't take that away.

shryke

Behemoth wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

Casual Eddy wrote: »

cersei was obviously upset by the action - she's the seasoned politician and joffrey is not, as we have already seen. Joffrey was being nothing more than a child who was angry about not being called the real king.

I don't think that Cersei's emotional response to something is the end all be all arbiter of if it was a deft political maneuver or not. She's not done a particularly good job of keeping her big secret very well...secret.

I thought she was just pissed because she was losing control of joffrey and she thought it would be a way better idea

keep him alive. Even the spymaster thought it was better he confess.

She genuinely didn't want him dead. Because, well, he would just take the Black and live out the rest of his days up there, never plotting rebellion, so long as it saved his family. That's the kind of guy he is, and she knows that. And now she can't use him as a bargaining chip if, say, Jaime happens to somehow get captured.

Oops!

Also: I knew something bad was going to happen with Drogo's wound after the last episode. You don't introduce a healing lady who says the wound is going to fester if it's not actually going to fester! Chekhov's Gun 101!

I hope we get Zombie Drogo.

Yeah, the thing is, taking the Black is basically like declaring yourself an illegitimate bastard. You might be able to get around it, but you are always going to be tainted in the eyes of many if you do. It's not just about being honorable.

Letting Ned walk away is the best bet for everyone. He's alive, but severly hamstrung politically. Best of both world's for the Lannisters.

But Joffery went awol (the downsides of ruling through someone) and basically kicked all the plans over. Now the Northmen are gonna be PISSED and there's gonna be no real way to put down these fires without alot of bloodshed. This is, after all, exactly the shit that caused the LAST civil war.

Killing Ned was dumb and everyone knew it except the idiot boy king.

curby_f

Not to be anal, but all the book readers confirming that (omg huge ep 9 spoilers)

The following character dies and is never heard of again:

Ned

should probably not have written about that in this thread. I mean, sure it's a pretty unambiguous moment, but we've got

zombies

and

blood magic

all up ins! Not to mention the possibility of

flashbacks, ghosts, or Dexter like imaginary friends

if the story chooses to go that route.

My network tv trained brain was thinking:

Is Ned gonna be turned somehow? Are white walkers already in hiding in Kings Landing?! How will they keep this character in the story?!

But thanks to this thread, I know that train of conjecture won't happen... unless I'm (hopefully) reading too much in to the comments.

Thanks, dudes.

Alucard6986

curby_f wrote: »

Not to be anal, but all the book readers confirming that (omg huge ep 9 spoilers)

The following character dies and is never heard of again:

Ned

should probably not have written about that in this thread. I mean, sure it's a pretty unambiguous moment, but we've got

zombies

and

blood magic

all up ins! Not to mention the possibility of

flashbacks, ghosts, or Dexter like imaginary friends

if the story chooses to go that route.

My network tv trained brain was thinking:

Is Ned gonna be turned somehow? Are white walkers already in hiding in Kings Landing?! How will they keep this character in the story?!

But thanks to this thread, I know that train of conjecture won't happen... unless I'm (hopefully) reading too much in to the comments.

Thanks, dudes.

ned comes back as the lich king in book 4

Liquid Ghost

Yeah, I feel like Daenerys is being a bit of a numbskull. Don't the Dothraki have healers of their own? The belligerent dude that Jorah annihilated had a wound that seemed to be fairly well taken care of. I don't think anyone quite expected the fucking Khal to fall off of his mount and slip into a feverish delirium, though. On the other hand, the witch lady(whose name is impossible for me to remember) didn't do a terribly fantastic job of tending to Drogo's wound. The logical step then, of course, is to have her perform some kind of horrifying blood ritual, because that's a real keen god damned idea. I am disappoint, Targaryen!

p.s. it sucks to be a horse

Jishian

Episode 9

Man I sure hope

Ned

left a

letter

about

John Snow's mother

. Or maybe the

lost Uncle

knows?

Also

I kinda knew they were going to capture Jaime when it was a bit too convenient that Tyrion had to fight in the battle. I wonder if he'll be traded for the two girls? And dammit, I really did not think they were going to kill Ned. My reaction was basically the same as everyone else when that little shit ordered the execution. I was hoping for a last minute intervention of either a note about Jaime's capture or a certain Bravosi swordsman. I think Snow is going to be all ready to head south but the icy dead people will attack and he'll have to stay.