Just to show that people's assumptions about how protoss can only be played is bullshit.
If leenock had pushed before the mothership was out (which he could have done), no amount of multitasking would have saved hero. He had 8 or 9 broods and a ton of infestors on the map, and he was up by about 25 supply before the mothership was out. Too much hesitation.
I don't even know how this game got from "abandoned blink allin vs 3OC" to "Protoss taking it to a macro game"
I couldn't read the unit counts (lol free stream), but it sounded like MVP was low on SCVs.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
This build sucks.
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what the hell, why do so many protoss crash 20 chargelots into 3 marauders in front of a forcefield when the entire terran army is behind it. they lose 10 zealots for 2-3 marines and marauders.
Eh? Did you notice MVP basically stopped bothering to micro? He was pretty much happy to continually stream units in. And from Hero's point of view, playing this third game he still doesn't know what went wrong.
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Eh? Did you notice MVP basically stopped bothering to micro? He was pretty much happy to continually stream units in. And from Hero's point of view, playing this third game he still doesn't know what went wrong.
Well yeah, if I was 6 bases to 3 and 70 supply ahead, I'd be expecting to be able to win with minimal micro too.
Even when their economies were at their closest, Mvp had just started mining from his fourth while Hero's third nexus was less than 50% done. I don't know in what scenario you consider it depressing if Terran wins in that scenario.
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Eh? Did you notice MVP basically stopped bothering to micro? He was pretty much happy to continually stream units in. And from Hero's point of view, playing this third game he still doesn't know what went wrong.
Well yeah, if I was 6 bases to 3 and 70 supply ahead, I'd be expecting to be able to win with minimal micro too.
Even when their economies were at their closest, Mvp had just started mining from his fourth while Hero's third nexus was less than 50% done. I don't know in what scenario you consider it depressing if Terran wins in that scenario.
Because hidden base? It doesn't work in any other matchup, but does in TvP because the Protoss is never going to send units around that direction unless they're White-ra.
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Eh? Did you notice MVP basically stopped bothering to micro? He was pretty much happy to continually stream units in. And from Hero's point of view, playing this third game he still doesn't know what went wrong.
Well yeah, if I was 6 bases to 3 and 70 supply ahead, I'd be expecting to be able to win with minimal micro too.
Even when their economies were at their closest, Mvp had just started mining from his fourth while Hero's third nexus was less than 50% done. I don't know in what scenario you consider it depressing if Terran wins in that scenario.
Because hidden base? It doesn't work in any other matchup, but does in TvP because the Protoss is never going to send units around that direction unless they're White-ra.
That game would have turned out equally the same if the third OC had been floated to his normal third.
decided to tank down and learn terran this season. I'm planning to mech in , hellion into marine/tank in tvz and ??? in tvp. Could somebody give me build orders for mech tvt and the hellion opener tvz? Or any ideas about what to do in tvp.
TvZ
13 Gas Reactor Hellion:
10 Depot
12 Rax
13 Gas
15 OC + Marines to 2
16 Depot
17 Factory
19 Reactor
Optional 2 Marine Bunker Rush
21 CC
22 Depot
23 Swap and start Hellions
From there you can either expand again or start building units for a 10ish minute push. Park your Hellions at the front of his base and try not to let anything out, be it units or creep.
TvT
Mech usually relies on either a Hellion expand, like the one above, or a Banshee expand because Gasless FE into double Gas is unsafe against several kinds of Terran harass. I personally suggest Banshee expand, but I know Dhal has had success with the Hellion one.
Banshee expand:
10 Depot
12 Rax
13 Gas
15 OC + Marines to 4
16 Depot
17 Factory
19 Gas
22 Depot
24 Port + TLab
Optional Bunker at the front
26 Depot
27 Swap and start Cloak then a Banshee
33 CC
I don't know enough about Mech to discuss proper transitions.
TvP
The only truely viable openings in current TvP are Gasless FE and 1-1-1 all-in. 2Rax pressure served me well for a long time but has become defunct at this point. If you choose not to 1-1-1, off a Gasless FE you can go either 2-2-2 into a third and then swap to Bio or just go Bio from the start. The best build for starting out is probably a 4Rax mid-game, which is pretty safe against pressure.
Gasless FE into 4Rax:
10 Depot
12 Rax
15 OC + Marine
16 CC
17 Depot
Optional Bunker at the front (not actually optional unless you're MKP)
Then drop 3 more Barracks and pump Marines until you have enough spare cash to grab your Gasses.
Do your best to get out on the map, the Protoss can't have aoe tech yet, so a Marine ball is very capable of asserting itself. Depending on what the Protoss is doing, you can either tech to Medivacs afterward or throw down Tech Labs and E-Bays.
Edit: Wow this thread really moved while I was writing this.
This was by far the most comprehensive though. Thanks
PvP on Metropolis, some diamond tried to wall off like a FFE. It felt dirty to 4gate and have a proxy pylon in his main, but he was asking for it! I can't let stupid play like that go unpunished.
Are people trying to FFE in non PvZ matchups now or something?
PvP on Metropolis, some diamond tried to wall off like a FFE. It felt dirty to 4gate and have a proxy pylon in his main, but he was asking for it! I can't let stupid play like that go unpunished.
Are people trying to FFE in non PvZ matchups now or something?
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If leenock had pushed before the mothership was out (which he could have done), no amount of multitasking would have saved hero. He had 8 or 9 broods and a ton of infestors on the map, and he was up by about 25 supply before the mothership was out. Too much hesitation.
edit: (not actually mad about scan radius)
I couldn't read the unit counts (lol free stream), but it sounded like MVP was low on SCVs.
If anything, its depressing as a Terran. 60 supply up and 6 bases to 3 and you still can't overcome chargelot archon templar? Fuck that shit.
Hero had a bad build, got behind, and held on with storms.
Well yeah, if I was 6 bases to 3 and 70 supply ahead, I'd be expecting to be able to win with minimal micro too.
Even when their economies were at their closest, Mvp had just started mining from his fourth while Hero's third nexus was less than 50% done. I don't know in what scenario you consider it depressing if Terran wins in that scenario.
nice scout by hero
Because hidden base? It doesn't work in any other matchup, but does in TvP because the Protoss is never going to send units around that direction unless they're White-ra.
That game would have turned out equally the same if the third OC had been floated to his normal third.
I can't remember the last time I actually saw a Fosters. Possibly in a Dan Murphy's one time?
Big fan of James Squire Amber/Golden Ales though.
This was by far the most comprehensive though. Thanks
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One thing about Fotsers is you can take it to a house party and be confident that no one will drink your beers.
But then I had some of their cider and that was so much better.
Hey yeah... if any of you fine folk are in the San Fran area, let us know.
^_^'
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wra
Obi Wan type help.
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wra
roll mvp into crescent rolls with your doughy hands
y u never work
this was a really good game, MVP just won out due to better multitasking pretty much. And somehow leenock is still in this Oo.
god damn.
You should have stopped laddering when you got to 3-3.
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Are people trying to FFE in non PvZ matchups now or something?
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Someone's gotta learn 'em.