Good lord there was a lot of cringe-inducing one-liners, but otherwise the cast was used very well. Highlights for me were Iron Man using Cap's shield to attack multiple enemies (just when I thought I couldn't be any happier than when Cap shield-tosses), Banner morphing into Hulk and seamlessly punching out that snake-thing and Hawkeye's arrrow exploding in Loki's face (which lead to me bursting out in laughter).
And of course it was Coulson that was going to die, dang it.
What one-liners didn't you like? I got almost universally positive reactions to most of the witty stuff in the 2 screenings I've seen
In compiling this list I realised I should have said dialogue and not just one-liners, but off the top of my head: World keeps spinning, Hawk in his nest, drop the hammer and attack plan like Etch said. Also the argument between Stark and Cap was still annoying because Cap's movie established that Roger's personality was an important part of why the project was successful.
We have a Hulk was still great.
PS Zonugal your OP is wonderful
Wait I'm confused about the bolded. Could you elaborate as to your issues with it?
Tony says that the only thing that makes Steve special is the serum and yeah that's a big part of it but as Captain America estabished who Steve is meant that instead of a powerful soldier we got a hero.
Oh.
So why are you mad a person who has literally no reason to know that and is fighting Cap at the time throws that at him as an insult?
Also I I don't really care for that part of Cap the movie.
I'd have preferred it if the scientist had only chosen him for the other reason. That he wanted Cap to be someone who respected strength. To be brave and courageous and smart.
The First Avenger spoilers:
Rogers was chosen for being a good person. The serum amplified it. Erkzine explained that it "makes good into great and bad into worse." The obvious gift from the serum is it upgraded the subject's body above human, though he kind of implied it also altered their personalities. Whether it's true or not I'm unsure. Having great power can effect someone's mind anyway, and Rogers acted the same afterward IMO. Hard to tell with Red Skull since we never saw him pre-serum.
No dude I just said I know that's the story but I don't like it.
Good lord there was a lot of cringe-inducing one-liners, but otherwise the cast was used very well. Highlights for me were Iron Man using Cap's shield to attack multiple enemies (just when I thought I couldn't be any happier than when Cap shield-tosses), Banner morphing into Hulk and seamlessly punching out that snake-thing and Hawkeye's arrrow exploding in Loki's face (which lead to me bursting out in laughter).
And of course it was Coulson that was going to die, dang it.
What one-liners didn't you like? I got almost universally positive reactions to most of the witty stuff in the 2 screenings I've seen
In compiling this list I realised I should have said dialogue and not just one-liners, but off the top of my head: World keeps spinning, Hawk in his nest, drop the hammer and attack plan like Etch said. Also the argument between Stark and Cap was still annoying because Cap's movie established that Roger's personality was an important part of why the project was successful.
We have a Hulk was still great.
PS Zonugal your OP is wonderful
Wait I'm confused about the bolded. Could you elaborate as to your issues with it?
Tony says that the only thing that makes Steve special is the serum and yeah that's a big part of it but as Captain America estabished who Steve is meant that instead of a powerful soldier we got a hero.
Oh.
So why are you mad a person who has literally no reason to know that and is fighting Cap at the time throws that at him as an insult?
Also I I don't really care for that part of Cap the movie.
I'd have preferred it if the scientist had only chosen him for the other reason. That he wanted Cap to be someone who respected strength. To be brave and courageous and smart.
The First Avenger spoilers:
Rogers was chosen for being a good person. The serum amplified it. Erkzine explained that it "makes good into great and bad into worse." The obvious gift from the serum is it upgraded the subject's body above human, though he kind of implied it also altered their personalities. Whether it's true or not I'm unsure. Having great power can effect someone's mind anyway, and Rogers acted the same afterward IMO. Hard to tell with Red Skull since we never saw him pre-serum.
No dude I just said I know that's the story but I don't like it.
I dunno, I kinda that idea.
I thought the serum greatly amplifying not only physical strength but strength of character and morality was a great touch. It's also a good way of answering why Captain is such a moral boyscout, because now by genetic design he's now predispositioned to be that way.
It also provides a great safeguard for someone abusing potential serums in any future plots.
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Something I know I have looked up is Vandal Savage I really don't remeber anything about him nor hearing anything about him until recently but then I know comics retcon all the time
Oh man, Vandal Savage would be so awesome. He's such a great villain.
And if you take some inspiration from Superman: TAS you can have him being influenced by Darkseid.
I'd watch that film.
I think Savage is great but he's basically just a variation on Luthor as far as Superman is concerned
(I mean unless you're going to make him Cain like that stupid fucking Question mini they did as part of 52 aftermath)
I want to see Superman fight someone who gives him a run for his money
I think I'd focus Savage in a more classical sense.
That is to say, he is the first villain the world ever knew. I'd showcase his impressive resume through the horrors of history.
And for conflicts I'd have him be slow. Really play up the immortal angle. This is a guy who can pull a plan together over fifty years or longer, if he can't beat you he'll simply wait.
I think audiences could dig that (mind you I'd take a lot of inspiration from the DCAU version of him.
Good lord there was a lot of cringe-inducing one-liners, but otherwise the cast was used very well. Highlights for me were Iron Man using Cap's shield to attack multiple enemies (just when I thought I couldn't be any happier than when Cap shield-tosses), Banner morphing into Hulk and seamlessly punching out that snake-thing and Hawkeye's arrrow exploding in Loki's face (which lead to me bursting out in laughter).
And of course it was Coulson that was going to die, dang it.
What one-liners didn't you like? I got almost universally positive reactions to most of the witty stuff in the 2 screenings I've seen
In compiling this list I realised I should have said dialogue and not just one-liners, but off the top of my head: World keeps spinning, Hawk in his nest, drop the hammer and attack plan like Etch said. Also the argument between Stark and Cap was still annoying because Cap's movie established that Roger's personality was an important part of why the project was successful.
We have a Hulk was still great.
PS Zonugal your OP is wonderful
Wait I'm confused about the bolded. Could you elaborate as to your issues with it?
Tony says that the only thing that makes Steve special is the serum and yeah that's a big part of it but as Captain America estabished who Steve is meant that instead of a powerful soldier we got a hero.
Oh.
So why are you mad a person who has literally no reason to know that and is fighting Cap at the time throws that at him as an insult?
Also I I don't really care for that part of Cap the movie.
I'd have preferred it if the scientist had only chosen him for the other reason. That he wanted Cap to be someone who respected strength. To be brave and courageous and smart.
The First Avenger spoilers:
Rogers was chosen for being a good person. The serum amplified it. Erkzine explained that it "makes good into great and bad into worse." The obvious gift from the serum is it upgraded the subject's body above human, though he kind of implied it also altered their personalities. Whether it's true or not I'm unsure. Having great power can effect someone's mind anyway, and Rogers acted the same afterward IMO. Hard to tell with Red Skull since we never saw him pre-serum.
No dude I just said I know that's the story but I don't like it.
I dunno, I kinda that idea.
I thought the serum greatly amplifying not only physical strength but strength of character and morality was a great touch. It's also a good way of answering why Captain is such a moral boyscout, because now by genetic design he's now predispositioned to be that way.
It also provides a great safeguard for someone abusing potential serums in any future plots.
The failsafe only works if the person is nice originally. Super-villains and terrorist organizations like AIM or Hydra would produce more guys like Red Skull than Cap from their own recruits.
Why is everybody spoiling a question that has to do only with the Cap movie?
I think if you are making a supersoldier and are at all a good person wanting the Supersoldier to be a good person is a goal in of itself. The scientist didn't really need more reason to search for a kind, thoughtful person.
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but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
Something I know I have looked up is Vandal Savage I really don't remeber anything about him nor hearing anything about him until recently but then I know comics retcon all the time
Oh man, Vandal Savage would be so awesome. He's such a great villain.
And if you take some inspiration from Superman: TAS you can have him being influenced by Darkseid.
I'd watch that film.
I think Savage is great but he's basically just a variation on Luthor as far as Superman is concerned
(I mean unless you're going to make him Cain like that stupid fucking Question mini they did as part of 52 aftermath)
I want to see Superman fight someone who gives him a run for his money
I think I'd focus Savage in a more classical sense.
That is to say, he is the first villain the world ever knew. I'd showcase his impressive resume through the horrors of history.
And for conflicts I'd have him be slow. Really play up the immortal angle. This is a guy who can pull a plan together over fifty years or longer, if he can't beat you he'll simply wait.
I think audiences could dig that (mind you I'd take a lot of inspiration from the DCAU version of him.
Unless Savage has an army working for him (which, I mean, well-spoken immortal villain leading an army against a newly formed superteam hmmmm) the dude just doesn't present enough of a threat to the Justice League
all of his JL storylines had the physical conflict come from armies of footsoldiers or didn't focus on one at all or had Superman teaming up with him after the apocalypse
but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
Something I know I have looked up is Vandal Savage I really don't remeber anything about him nor hearing anything about him until recently but then I know comics retcon all the time
Oh man, Vandal Savage would be so awesome. He's such a great villain.
And if you take some inspiration from Superman: TAS you can have him being influenced by Darkseid.
I'd watch that film.
I think Savage is great but he's basically just a variation on Luthor as far as Superman is concerned
(I mean unless you're going to make him Cain like that stupid fucking Question mini they did as part of 52 aftermath)
I want to see Superman fight someone who gives him a run for his money
I think I'd focus Savage in a more classical sense.
That is to say, he is the first villain the world ever knew. I'd showcase his impressive resume through the horrors of history.
And for conflicts I'd have him be slow. Really play up the immortal angle. This is a guy who can pull a plan together over fifty years or longer, if he can't beat you he'll simply wait.
I think audiences could dig that (mind you I'd take a lot of inspiration from the DCAU version of him.
I love this about Savage
I think he's a great villain
I just don't think this makes much sense for Superman
Superman's just not this cerebral
it would make more sense for him to be in a Batman movie
but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
it's pretty simple. time bullets cause you to become unstuck in time, thus allowing the Red Skull, whose consciousness has been enjoying a time share in the head of a Russian general, to transfer his consciousness into your body and use it for his own.
it's pretty simple. time bullets cause you to become unstuck in time, thus allowing the Red Skull, whose consciousness has been enjoying a time share in the head of a Russian general, to transfer his consciousness into your body and use it for his own.
Yeah I think Savage is a fucking amazing villain. One of DC's best.
But he isn't a good villain to cause the Justice League to form, as they are basically living gods and he isn't quite up to that level, threat wise.
Any idea for the villain?
Despero.
Dude is an alien warlord who can take Superman in a fist fight.
I think it is hard to do a Justice League movie without a threat as large as like, an alien invasion, so they should just get over the fact that it would be kind of similar to Avengers.
Make sure the alien aesthetic is unique and have the League form themselves as opposed to being brought together by an organization like SHIELD and make it stand apart from Avengers in different ways.
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but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
it's pretty simple. time bullets cause you to become unstuck in time, thus allowing the Red Skull, whose consciousness has been enjoying a time share in the head of a Russian general, to transfer his consciousness into your body and use it for his own.
Where did Sharon's baby with Steve fit into this while she was still pregnant? I thought Red Skull wanted to implant his mind into their baby's body then have Arnim Zola age him up with wacky science-fu.
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but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
Yeah I think Savage is a fucking amazing villain. One of DC's best.
But he isn't a good villain to cause the Justice League to form, as they are basically living gods and he isn't quite up to that level, threat wise.
Any idea for the villain?
Despero.
Dude is an alien warlord who can take Superman in a fist fight.
I think it is hard to do a Justice League movie without a threat as large as like, an alien invasion, so they should just get over the fact that it would be kind of similar to Avengers.
Make sure the alien aesthetic is unique and have the League form themselves as opposed to being brought together by an organization like SHIELD and make it stand apart from Avengers in different ways.
I'd prefer an Earth based threat like The Society or Injustice Gang to distinguish it furthur from Avengers.
They did an alien invasion for an origin already. Save that for the sequel.
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Really Vandal would work as the villian in the Justice League movie
It would be various problems a la DOOM that lead to him but not as obvious that he is behind it
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Okay.
I don't know the specifics. I stopped collecting comics when he was bought back.
I dunno, I kinda that idea.
It also provides a great safeguard for someone abusing potential serums in any future plots.
I think I'd focus Savage in a more classical sense.
That is to say, he is the first villain the world ever knew. I'd showcase his impressive resume through the horrors of history.
And for conflicts I'd have him be slow. Really play up the immortal angle. This is a guy who can pull a plan together over fifty years or longer, if he can't beat you he'll simply wait.
I think audiences could dig that (mind you I'd take a lot of inspiration from the DCAU version of him.
I think if you are making a supersoldier and are at all a good person wanting the Supersoldier to be a good person is a goal in of itself. The scientist didn't really need more reason to search for a kind, thoughtful person.
it was pretty great under brubaker
yeah, it's fun and entertaining and that's fine
but it's got problems with historical accuracy and how it glorifies the warrior-cult of Sparta
example: there's that scene where Leonidas makes fun of the Athenians for having brought fewer soldiers than he did
but that scene makes no sense, since the Athenian non-professional army had, ten years before the events of the film, kicked the shit out of the Persians (made up of professional soldiers like the Spartans) at Marathon
basically the story ignores or lies about a lot of history in order to glorify spartan machismo
source, with lots more: http://davidbrin.wordpress.com/2011/11/13/move-over-frank-miller-or-why-the-occupy-wall-street-kids-are-better-than-spartans/
all of his JL storylines had the physical conflict come from armies of footsoldiers or didn't focus on one at all or had Superman teaming up with him after the apocalypse
that last one was great
That it was.
it is by far the low point of his run
keep in mind that the story is framed as the eyepatch guy riling up his men before a battle
Is this a legitimate criticism people have? With this film?
Because I won't believe that.
I love this about Savage
I think he's a great villain
I just don't think this makes much sense for Superman
Superman's just not this cerebral
it would make more sense for him to be in a Batman movie
or I would love to see Savage in a Flash story
the fastest man alive
versus the most patient man alive
that's a story with traction
The movie with Trolls and monsters isn't historically accurate?
Madness.
(and yes I know exactly what I did there and I'm not happy about it.)
But he isn't a good villain to cause the Justice League to form, as they are basically living gods and he isn't quite up to that level, threat wise.
It's all that stuff at home with DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM and the 20-minute oracle scene that annoys me
No-one's perfect. IMO he writes a better Cap then Waid. I'm glad the MCU's Cap is influenced by Brubaker's version.
a battle which is presented as the almighty Spartans kicking the shit out of a giant Persian force
in reality that battle was completely irrelevant because the Athenian navy had already taken care of business
it's not intended to be accurate
it's a hyper-stylized story based on a battle
keywords "based on"
I'd rather see him the main villain of a solo film given little hints or cameos in other solo films before having him herald the way to a true BBEG.
some people are bothered by history being presented dishonestly to push a narrative
what's wrong with that?
Any idea for the villain?
yeah, this is why all that stuff doesn't really bother me, personally
the movie's more about kicking ass than anything else
it's pretty simple. time bullets cause you to become unstuck in time, thus allowing the Red Skull, whose consciousness has been enjoying a time share in the head of a Russian general, to transfer his consciousness into your body and use it for his own.
my god, it's so easy
Dude is an alien warlord who can take Superman in a fist fight.
I think it is hard to do a Justice League movie without a threat as large as like, an alien invasion, so they should just get over the fact that it would be kind of similar to Avengers.
Make sure the alien aesthetic is unique and have the League form themselves as opposed to being brought together by an organization like SHIELD and make it stand apart from Avengers in different ways.
A lot of times its boring (and far too graphic).
People wanted 300 to be an intense action film, not a Ken Burns production.
if the narrative isn't supposed to be an actual retelling of actual events then who gives a fuck would be my response
and like you and i already agreed
300 ain't a history lesson
it's just a crazy action movie with some historical flavor
you need to take up your criticisms of 300 up with Frank Miller then.
you know, the dude that wrote the fictional book.
dude was alive when the Greeks were hot shit
so he can tie directly into WW's origins and backstories and present a personal, but still modern and unique threat
Where did Sharon's baby with Steve fit into this while she was still pregnant? I thought Red Skull wanted to implant his mind into their baby's body then have Arnim Zola age him up with wacky science-fu.
I CONCUR!
this isn't one of those times
and even if it was that doesn't make the criticism illegitimate
but neither does it necessarily mean that 300 is a bad movie
it's just a bad historical movie
and if you don't care about that, cool
nothin' wrong with that
yessssss
I'd prefer an Earth based threat like The Society or Injustice Gang to distinguish it furthur from Avengers.
We have some writing to do...!
Like I knew about the actual battle but around the time they depicted Xerxes as 15 feet tall I figured it might be a bit of a dramatization
It would be various problems a la DOOM that lead to him but not as obvious that he is behind it