No, because we didn't have electronic medical records then.
Well you'd be wrong, because the ICD/DSM codes had plain ol' homosexuality removed. Homosexuality was coded in ICD-9 (1977) and not in ICD-10 (1990). In it's place is "ego-dystonic" homosexuality.
Not being able to code something because there is no longer any code, is kinda the point.
I am well aware of diagnostic codes. I am a medical student. Changes to them are much less annoying when you are keeping paper records because you aren't working within the limits of an EMR, which requires you to enter certain things in certain places.
I don't think this is a very important discussion, but figured I'd clarify what Paladin meant.
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I, for one, favor telling homophobes to fuck off to Russia if they hate the gays so much. Just so long as well tell them not to pack an extra winter clothing because global warming has totally taken the edge off Russian winters.
No, because we didn't have electronic medical records then.
Well you'd be wrong, because the ICD/DSM codes had plain ol' homosexuality removed. Homosexuality was coded in ICD-9 (1977) and not in ICD-10 (1990). In it's place is "ego-dystonic" homosexuality.
Not being able to code something because there is no longer any code, is kinda the point.
I am well aware of diagnostic codes. I am a medical student. Changes to them are much less annoying when you are keeping paper records because you aren't working within the limits of an EMR, which requires you to enter certain things in certain places.
I don't think this is a very important discussion, but figured I'd clarify what Paladin meant.
Wrong facts don't clarify his position.
His original position at least isn't wrong, I was just bringing up how it isn't any different than what has happened before, so what is the issue?
I'm betting your average homophobe is a global warming denier.
I've come to the realization that global warming denial is where all the Intelligent Design proponents went.
Because that one guy said that one time that it was all made up, clearly, and that they don't know what they're doing.
I meant more the social conservatives pushing an agenda not based on what they actually believe but because it's important for them to get re-elected and that those who were all into one are totally into the other.
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Sorry, I was just being hyperbolic. I guess I just don't understand how it's one of those things that you can believe or not believe. But that is a topic for another thread.
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I, for one, favor telling homophobes to fuck off to Russia if they hate the gays so much. Just so long as well tell them not to pack an extra winter clothing because global warming has totally taken the edge off Russian winters.
Totally totally. Take our word for it.
I kind of prefer Saudi Arabia. Hate gay people? Hate terrorists? Move to Saudi Arabia! Please. Please move to Saudi Arabia. Please.
Guilty verdict for the minister who helped Lisa Miller to flee to Nicaragua after she kidnapped her daughter.
Hopefully the FBI and Interpol find her at some point
Guilty verdict for the minister who helped Lisa Miller to flee to Nicaragua after she kidnapped her daughter.
Hopefully the FBI and Interpol find her at some point
Guilty verdict for the minister who helped Lisa Miller to flee to Nicaragua after she kidnapped her daughter.
Hopefully the FBI and Interpol find her at some point
Guilty verdict for the minister who helped Lisa Miller to flee to Nicaragua after she kidnapped her daughter.
Hopefully the FBI and Interpol find her at some point
At this point I don't believe I would want the kid back. Surely they've indoctrinated the fuck out of her.
You wouldn't want your own kid back?...
Me, personally, no, if I had a kid if would have been due to a huge comedy of errors and I wouldn't have wanted it in the first place. I would have traded the thing for a nice end table or book shelf toot sweet.
This one tho, even if she got her kid back she's looking at decades of therapy and what have you and none of it is guaranteed to get her a normal daughter that hasn't been taught to hate her.
Guilty verdict for the minister who helped Lisa Miller to flee to Nicaragua after she kidnapped her daughter.
Hopefully the FBI and Interpol find her at some point
At this point I don't believe I would want the kid back. Surely they've indoctrinated the fuck out of her.
You wouldn't want your own kid back?...
Me, personally, no, if I had a kid if would have been due to a huge comedy of errors and I wouldn't have wanted it in the first place. I would have traded the thing for a nice end table or book shelf toot sweet.
This one tho, even if she got her kid back she's looking at decades of therapy and what have you and none of it is guaranteed to get her a normal daughter that hasn't been taught to hate her.
You understand that us organics can form emotional attachments, though? -.- (and it's tout de suite.)
Also, the kid is 10. Yeah, she's gonna need therapy but it's not like she'll be irrevocably broken at this point. Kids are durable and they bounce back, especially at that age.
Guilty verdict for the minister who helped Lisa Miller to flee to Nicaragua after she kidnapped her daughter.
Hopefully the FBI and Interpol find her at some point
At this point I don't believe I would want the kid back. Surely they've indoctrinated the fuck out of her.
You wouldn't want your own kid back?...
Me, personally, no, if I had a kid if would have been due to a huge comedy of errors and I wouldn't have wanted it in the first place. I would have traded the thing for a nice end table or book shelf toot sweet.
This one tho, even if she got her kid back she's looking at decades of therapy and what have you and none of it is guaranteed to get her a normal daughter that hasn't been taught to hate her.
You understand that us organics can form emotional attachments, though? -.- (and it's tout de suite.)
No it's toot sweet from chitty chitty bang bang because that shit is fucking hilarious.
And if you're somehow implying that all people love and want their kids you're a complete fool.
Also, the kid is 10. Yeah, she's gonna need therapy but it's not like she'll be irrevocably broken at this point. Kids are durable and they bounce back, especially at that age.
It doesn't mean she's NOT going to be either.
She gets that kid back and the kid constantly insists she wants to be back with her other mother. What then?
Just because I don't want kids doesn't mean I can't understand how people feel about their children.
And I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way as soon as I did have them.
Not wanting kids is hardly a good excuse for that silly stance.
What the fuck? I don't need an excuse for my own fucking opinion. What the hell is wrong with you people?
I'm not decrying anyone else's position on this; I'm saying if it was me the indoctrination the kid had gone through would seriously make me re-consider bothering to get her back. This lady can do whatever the hell she wants; I'm not against anyone trying to get their kid back.
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Also, the kid is 10. Yeah, she's gonna need therapy but it's not like she'll be irrevocably broken at this point. Kids are durable and they bounce back, especially at that age.
It doesn't mean she's NOT going to be either.
She gets that kid back and the kid constantly insists she wants to be back with her other mother. What then?
Parenting is tough, particularly when the kid has been brainwashed.
But what's the alternative? "Oh you kidnapped the kid, but you did such a good job of brainwashing that we're going to let you keep her!"
Also, the kid is 10. Yeah, she's gonna need therapy but it's not like she'll be irrevocably broken at this point. Kids are durable and they bounce back, especially at that age.
It doesn't mean she's NOT going to be either.
She gets that kid back and the kid constantly insists she wants to be back with her other mother. What then?
Parenting is tough, particularly when the kid has been brainwashed.
But what's the alternative? "Oh you kidnapped the kid, but you did such a good job of brainwashing that we're going to let you keep her!"
Yeah, that's a great precedent to set.
No one's setting a precedent for anything. It would be MY reaction to MY situation.
Based on Magic Pinks own statements, I'm going to assume their solution to the 'what to do with a brainwashed child' problem can be solved by a man with a net and a very large nose.
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...ok, and my opinion is that your opinion makes no sense.
Holy fuck. Even if she doesn't win this, if the suit goes forward, it means she's going to get to subpoena just about everything from Liberty University, at the least.
And their endowment is only $50 million. It's not likely, but possible she could shut the whole fucking place down. Hopefully, this is going to be awesome.
Based on Magic Pinks own statements, I'm going to assume their solution to the 'what to do with a brainwashed child' problem can be solved by a man with a net and a very large nose.
It is one solution, yes. And they could keep score!
Holy fuck. Even if she doesn't win this, if the suit goes forward, it means she's going to get to subpoena just about everything from Liberty University, at the least.
And their endowment is only $50 million. It's not likely, but possible she could shut the whole fucking place down. Hopefully, this is going to be awesome.
It would be really nice to see the whole terrible church go under but I can't imagine it's not going to go without a HUGE clusterfuck of a court case. Hopefully one that sets a pretty murderous set of laws in place if anyone tried to do something similar again.
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So that means we're gonna get to hear about the militant gays now, right?
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Isn't the general consensus on brainwashing that it's not that effective, and temporary? Especially at that age, getting the kid into a supportive social environment should undo everything quite quickly. Except a underlining fear of commitment and foreign travel.
Alternatively, wait 3 years until she automatically rejects everything that she's been taught until that point, and then get her out. (Everything I know about kids are from american sitcoms)
Isn't the general consensus on brainwashing that it's not that effective, and temporary? Especially at that age, getting the kid into a supportive social environment should undo everything quite quickly. Except a underlining fear of commitment and foreign travel.
Alternatively, wait 3 years until she automatically rejects everything that she's been taught until that point, and then get her out. (Everything I know about kids are from american sitcoms)
I dunno, there's a lot of people who are still Christians after 18, so obviously brainwashing works pretty well somehow.
If brainwashing is permanent, then it's not really a choice and shouldn't be changed
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Isn't the general consensus on brainwashing that it's not that effective, and temporary? Especially at that age, getting the kid into a supportive social environment should undo everything quite quickly. Except a underlining fear of commitment and foreign travel.
Alternatively, wait 3 years until she automatically rejects everything that she's been taught until that point, and then get her out. (Everything I know about kids are from american sitcoms)
I dunno, there's a lot of people who are still Christians after 18, so obviously brainwashing works pretty well somehow.
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Also, the kid is 10. Yeah, she's gonna need therapy but it's not like she'll be irrevocably broken at this point. Kids are durable and they bounce back, especially at that age.
It doesn't mean she's NOT going to be either.
She gets that kid back and the kid constantly insists she wants to be back with her other mother. What then?
Well it's a goddamn shame because SHE WAS KIDNAPPED?
You don't sympathize with the hateful criminals who KIDNAPPED A CHILD BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT HER MOTHER WAS A BAD PERSON SIMPLY FOR BEING GAY.
I am typing in all caps so hopefully you realize how horrible what you are implying is.
I.e That you would REFUSE YOUR OWN CHILD because they were kidnapped and possibly brainwashed.
I mean, just the idea of being anything but thrilled to see your child again.
...ok, and my opinion is that your opinion makes no sense.
Great. Keep at it and maybe some day you'll understand it. Note that understand doesn't have to mean agree.
Problem is it is very hard to understand because you are literally treating your child like a video game.
"Aww man there's scuffs all over my copy of Street Fighter 4!? Just keep it, you already ruined it."
"Aww my child was kidnapped, mentally tormented about her mother being evil, and has severe psychological trauma because of it? You might as well just give her back, she's ruined now."
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I am well aware of diagnostic codes. I am a medical student. Changes to them are much less annoying when you are keeping paper records because you aren't working within the limits of an EMR, which requires you to enter certain things in certain places.
I don't think this is a very important discussion, but figured I'd clarify what Paladin meant.
Totally totally. Take our word for it.
Wrong facts don't clarify his position.
His original position at least isn't wrong, I was just bringing up how it isn't any different than what has happened before, so what is the issue?
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I've come to the realization that global warming denial is where all the Intelligent Design proponents went.
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Because that one guy said that one time that it was all made up, clearly, and that they don't know what they're doing.
I meant more the social conservatives pushing an agenda not based on what they actually believe but because it's important for them to get re-elected and that those who were all into one are totally into the other.
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Tonight on Fox News: Most harmful greenhouse gas emissions come from gay couples, climate change confirmed real thanks to the gays, repent ye sinners.
I kind of prefer Saudi Arabia. Hate gay people? Hate terrorists? Move to Saudi Arabia! Please. Please move to Saudi Arabia. Please.
Hopefully the FBI and Interpol find her at some point
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NYTimes background article on the case if any of us need a refresher~
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/us/a-civil-union-ends-in-an-abduction-and-questions.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
At this point I don't believe I would want the kid back. Surely they've indoctrinated the fuck out of her.
You wouldn't want your own kid back?...
Lesbian mom sues churches suspected of conspiring in the kidnapping of her daughter.
The General Mills protester died.
And Florida elected its first openly gay state legislator.
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Me, personally, no, if I had a kid if would have been due to a huge comedy of errors and I wouldn't have wanted it in the first place. I would have traded the thing for a nice end table or book shelf toot sweet.
This one tho, even if she got her kid back she's looking at decades of therapy and what have you and none of it is guaranteed to get her a normal daughter that hasn't been taught to hate her.
You understand that us organics can form emotional attachments, though? -.- (and it's tout de suite.)
And I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way as soon as I did have them.
Not wanting kids is hardly a good excuse for that silly stance.
No it's toot sweet from chitty chitty bang bang because that shit is fucking hilarious.
And if you're somehow implying that all people love and want their kids you're a complete fool.
It doesn't mean she's NOT going to be either.
She gets that kid back and the kid constantly insists she wants to be back with her other mother. What then?
What the fuck? I don't need an excuse for my own fucking opinion. What the hell is wrong with you people?
I'm not decrying anyone else's position on this; I'm saying if it was me the indoctrination the kid had gone through would seriously make me re-consider bothering to get her back. This lady can do whatever the hell she wants; I'm not against anyone trying to get their kid back.
Parenting is tough, particularly when the kid has been brainwashed.
But what's the alternative? "Oh you kidnapped the kid, but you did such a good job of brainwashing that we're going to let you keep her!"
Yeah, that's a great precedent to set.
No one's setting a precedent for anything. It would be MY reaction to MY situation.
And their endowment is only $50 million. It's not likely, but possible she could shut the whole fucking place down. Hopefully, this is going to be awesome.
Great. Keep at it and maybe some day you'll understand it. Note that understand doesn't have to mean agree.
It is one solution, yes. And they could keep score!
It would be really nice to see the whole terrible church go under but I can't imagine it's not going to go without a HUGE clusterfuck of a court case. Hopefully one that sets a pretty murderous set of laws in place if anyone tried to do something similar again.
Alternatively, wait 3 years until she automatically rejects everything that she's been taught until that point, and then get her out. (Everything I know about kids are from american sitcoms)
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That's what happens when you let them serve openly in the military, the become militant. That's the joke. har har har.
I dunno, there's a lot of people who are still Christians after 18, so obviously brainwashing works pretty well somehow.
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I guess I don't want her anymore'
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What spring does with the cherry trees.
Well it's a goddamn shame because SHE WAS KIDNAPPED?
You don't sympathize with the hateful criminals who KIDNAPPED A CHILD BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT HER MOTHER WAS A BAD PERSON SIMPLY FOR BEING GAY.
I am typing in all caps so hopefully you realize how horrible what you are implying is.
I.e That you would REFUSE YOUR OWN CHILD because they were kidnapped and possibly brainwashed.
I mean, just the idea of being anything but thrilled to see your child again.
Problem is it is very hard to understand because you are literally treating your child like a video game.
"Aww man there's scuffs all over my copy of Street Fighter 4!? Just keep it, you already ruined it."
"Aww my child was kidnapped, mentally tormented about her mother being evil, and has severe psychological trauma because of it? You might as well just give her back, she's ruined now."