The Baltecfleet one is about 800m and gets fully reimbursed (minus the four days of training, of course), should you manage to lose it. If you're doing small gang stuff, a Huginn or Rapier is nearly as effective for under a quarter of the cost.
This is all helpful and interesting... well most of it; just joined Eve and a buddy tipped me off that this was a pretty tight EVE community. Haven't been on Penny Arcade since my feet didn't touch the ground while sitting in my computer chair and I had a DSL modem, but glad I found this now.
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SPY!
Hail Hydra!
...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
edited May 2014
I got myself another month, I want to try self sufficiency before I bother people with rejoining Merch, honestly I probably dont have the time for merch right now
for now, I'M going to learn to fly the Algos in ways that don't get me fucked rearly
Man, someone's got a fit to the gills abaddon up on contracts and I'm seriously tempted to buy it at 300 mil. So is contract scamming still a thing I need to be looking out for?
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I got myself another month, I want to try self sufficiency before I bother people with rejoining Merch, honestly I probably dont have the time for merch right now
for now, I'M going to learn to fly the Algos in ways that don't get me fucked rearly
Self-sufficiency is waaaay easier out here.
(says the guy who logs in for 20 minutes 3 times a week and could plex like 5 accounts)
For business reasons, I must preserve the outward sign of sanity.
--Mark Twain
scamming still a thing I need to be looking out for?
No. All scamming has been elimenated from the game, and even lying about things on non-offical forums can get you banned.
Ship in a bottle contracts are a big thing in FW space, alliance trade hubs and deployments. There can still be shit contracts, so buyer beware. But being able to join a fleet, see what they need, buy it off contract, and sorting out what the fuck you're flying and how to fly it /while in warp to the bridging titan/... it's a pretty cool thing . Always check ammo before undocking. That seems to be the most forgotten thing.
And, if you've got the time and are shaving isk, buy the parts and put it together yourself. Ship in a Bottle contracts definantly charge you for the convience.
I got myself another month, I want to try self sufficiency before I bother people with rejoining Merch, honestly I probably dont have the time for merch right now
I'd say use your month to learn the real side of the game that we live in. Null is nothing like hisec life. NPC corps are nothing like Merch / gsf / cfc.
Hisec is not easier, or more lucrative than living in null more often than not. How do you make money, running missions? We don't have missions in Deklein, but we do have a large number of people ratting and leaving plenty of wrecks behind that need looting / salvaging. You'll make decent money doing this until you can train into a drone ratting ship (vexor navy issue) or you can begin scamming people as a day 1 newbie. Seriously, people fall for this shit. Just do not tell them you are an alt.
If you go out for fleet ops and die, the alliance AND corp reimburse you. It's nearly impossible to lose isk for dying on ops. It's also the best time to be a newbee in GSF, as there are doctrines with put you in more than just tackle very early on. You'll get a taste of ewar, tackle, logi, and ecm.
There isn't a huge time requirement to joining Merch, either. It's a 'if you are around, and want to do something, do something.' You won't be told to log in, or that you have to do something if you aren't able / interested. All we ask is you join Jabber, and always ask questions when you have them.
So is contract scamming still a thing I need to be looking out for?
Oh hello, you must be new to EVE!
Nah, just been away a long ass time, so I wanted to be sure there weren't big forward advances in the land of scamming I didn't know about, some cursory google research says nope. I'm kind of amazed people still do the "give me money and I'll send you double back!" scam, though I guess I should be more amazed that it still works.
for now, I'M going to learn to fly the Algos in ways that don't get me fucked rearly
Just the tip, it'll fit it right in.
FTFY
That's why he's using an Algos instead of, say, a Thorax.
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NEO|PhyteThey follow the stars, bound together.Strands in a braid till the end.Registered Userregular
So I've been vaguely considering resubbing, but I have no clue if I'd actually manage to do anything or if it would just be skill training simulator 2014. Before I unsubbed, I think I was pubbing it up in hisec running missions or some such.
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
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The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
I've been in null before but it turned into ship spinning pretty quickly. When I have someone to blow shit up for me I made mad cash, but most of the time I just span.
I think spending a week or so in high and low will be good for me
These things do tend to be associated with each other.
Undoubtedly, but I sorta lacked the drive to reapply to MerchI and ship my ass back out to wherever we'd been living at the time. Where are we living these days, anyway? And a related question, what are the local rats weak against?
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
Yeah fuck it I'll rejoin up and ship out to you guys.
What are the rules for rejoining? should I just throw an app in?
These things do tend to be associated with each other.
Undoubtedly, but I sorta lacked the drive to reapply to MerchI and ship my ass back out to wherever we'd been living at the time. Where are we living these days, anyway? And a related question, what are the local rats weak against?
We've lived out of deklein for several years now, plenty of newbie / doctrine ships on contract, and *economicpersonas* like myself often import most doctrine ships to be at cost (you get paid to die via reimbursements).
They're weak against Wasp IIs or Caldari Navy Wasps until you are fully trained. Not kidding. An Ishtar Heavy Drone ratting is King of the North.
These things do tend to be associated with each other.
Undoubtedly, but I sorta lacked the drive to reapply to MerchI and ship my ass back out to wherever we'd been living at the time. Where are we living these days, anyway? And a related question, what are the local rats weak against?
We've lived out of deklein for several years now, plenty of newbie / doctrine ships on contract, and *economicpersonas* like myself often import most doctrine ships to be at cost (you get paid to die via reimbursements).
They're weak against Wasp IIs or Caldari Navy Wasps until you are fully trained. Not kidding. An Ishtar Heavy Drone ratting is King of the North.
Drones, eh? I'm not entirely unskilled in those. Can't say the same for Gallente ships, mind, but it's a start. Think I'll get muh client updating while I'm at work and go from there, plop down a month and see if I can manage to be interested long enough to actually do stuff.
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
So I've been vaguely considering resubbing, but I have no clue if I'd actually manage to do anything or if it would just be skill training simulator 2014. Before I unsubbed, I think I was pubbing it up in hisec running missions or some such.
It's OK to run missions as a low-attention way to make ISK (or rather, to generate capital for ways to make ISK), but doing so isn't an end in itself. Because missions are insanely dull.
So I guess your first step is to decide on some non intrinsically boring goal or plan of action, then resub. Then starting carrying out that plan.
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NEO|PhyteThey follow the stars, bound together.Strands in a braid till the end.Registered Userregular
Huh, interesting, the geddon got changed from a laser boat to a drone and vamp boat while I was away?
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
Can hit well over 2700 m/s with decent skills. Approach target, turn on your Warp Disruptor at 20km, turn on the web at 10km, turn off the MWD and orbit at 500m, blast away. Just be wary of smartbombs, but you should find those rarely if at all in fleet battles.
"I don't know why people ever, ever try to stop nerds from doing things. It's really the most incredible waste of time." - Tycho
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The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
I lodged my application a couple days back, but today some other dudes blew me up, liked my can do attitude and let me join up with them. So now I'm lowsec PvPing apparently in a 30 strong corp.
Heck yeah!
I need income pretty badly though. Also, My only decent ships will just have to deal and sit around in VFK for the foreseeable future
Since you're in lo-sec, you might want to be aware that lo-sec belt ratting is a thing now. Ask your corpies about sec tags.
Oh and maybe start to look at doing plexes.
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The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
edited June 2014
Yeah I think my pace of learning is about to skyrocket.
There isn't much in the way of high value rats around, so I think my biggest ship will likely be a destroyer for the time being, though right now I'm beggared so it's just a tristan with no guns and a hold of hobgob 2s
Belt rats are weak and dumb. They're best killed at your experience level by kiting. Most lo-sec belt rats are also as you say not worth so much. The way to do it is to bounce though the belts as quickly as possible looking for faction rats, and the special rats that drop the sec status tags.
The solo belt ratting ship of choice is a stealth bomber. Their effectiveness is very closely tied to their racial damage type though, so if you work towards bombers (pro-tip: it's the same ship skill as covops which you use for finding plexes) make sure to match your racial frigate skill upon which your bomber depends to the rat type:
The good thing about training towards a stealth bomber is that you're only a Rank 2 skill away from any other stealth bomber, so they're a great cross-training platform. They're also tolerant of not-all-V missile skills.
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The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
I think they've deliniated between the race frigates unfortunately, give me 3 minutes and I can shove my foot into my mouth for saying that.
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I realize that the best answer is "Decline to disingage", but I keep hoping there is a better solution.
The Monster Baru Cormorant - Seth Dickinson
Steam: Korvalain
There's probably a cheaper counter, I just can't propose a specific one without knowing which specific ships/fits you're talking about.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
The Monster Baru Cormorant - Seth Dickinson
Steam: Korvalain
for now, I'M going to learn to fly the Algos in ways that don't get me fucked rearly
Self-sufficiency is waaaay easier out here.
(says the guy who logs in for 20 minutes 3 times a week and could plex like 5 accounts)
--Mark Twain
No. All scamming has been elimenated from the game, and even lying about things on non-offical forums can get you banned.
Ship in a bottle contracts are a big thing in FW space, alliance trade hubs and deployments. There can still be shit contracts, so buyer beware. But being able to join a fleet, see what they need, buy it off contract, and sorting out what the fuck you're flying and how to fly it /while in warp to the bridging titan/... it's a pretty cool thing
And, if you've got the time and are shaving isk, buy the parts and put it together yourself. Ship in a Bottle contracts definantly charge you for the convience.
I'd say use your month to learn the real side of the game that we live in. Null is nothing like hisec life. NPC corps are nothing like Merch / gsf / cfc.
Hisec is not easier, or more lucrative than living in null more often than not. How do you make money, running missions? We don't have missions in Deklein, but we do have a large number of people ratting and leaving plenty of wrecks behind that need looting / salvaging. You'll make decent money doing this until you can train into a drone ratting ship (vexor navy issue) or you can begin scamming people as a day 1 newbie. Seriously, people fall for this shit. Just do not tell them you are an alt.
If you go out for fleet ops and die, the alliance AND corp reimburse you. It's nearly impossible to lose isk for dying on ops. It's also the best time to be a newbee in GSF, as there are doctrines with put you in more than just tackle very early on. You'll get a taste of ewar, tackle, logi, and ecm.
There isn't a huge time requirement to joining Merch, either. It's a 'if you are around, and want to do something, do something.' You won't be told to log in, or that you have to do something if you aren't able / interested. All we ask is you join Jabber, and always ask questions when you have them.
Just a tip, you'll fit it right in.
Good sir, I wish to invest in your colloidal silver therapy plan!
FTFY
The Monster Baru Cormorant - Seth Dickinson
Steam: Korvalain
Nah, just been away a long ass time, so I wanted to be sure there weren't big forward advances in the land of scamming I didn't know about, some cursory google research says nope. I'm kind of amazed people still do the "give me money and I'll send you double back!" scam, though I guess I should be more amazed that it still works.
This nice man in Jita offers me this pretty good deal in chat, I really think it will be nice to buy some plexes from this good sir !
That's why he's using an Algos instead of, say, a Thorax.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
I think spending a week or so in high and low will be good for me
These things do tend to be associated with each other.
Undoubtedly, but I sorta lacked the drive to reapply to MerchI and ship my ass back out to wherever we'd been living at the time. Where are we living these days, anyway? And a related question, what are the local rats weak against?
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
What are the rules for rejoining? should I just throw an app in?
We've lived out of deklein for several years now, plenty of newbie / doctrine ships on contract, and *economicpersonas* like myself often import most doctrine ships to be at cost (you get paid to die via reimbursements).
They're weak against Wasp IIs or Caldari Navy Wasps until you are fully trained. Not kidding. An Ishtar Heavy Drone ratting is King of the North.
If you've been in MRCHI before, you can just reapply, follow the instructions here: http://forums.merchindustrial.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8275
Otherwise post in the recruitment thread with your EVE character's name so we know who you are, and then apply in-game and state your PA forum name in your application: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/171557/eve-online-a-space-empire-of-tyranny-and-dick-jokes
Drones, eh? I'm not entirely unskilled in those. Can't say the same for Gallente ships, mind, but it's a start. Think I'll get muh client updating while I'm at work and go from there, plop down a month and see if I can manage to be interested long enough to actually do stuff.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
It's OK to run missions as a low-attention way to make ISK (or rather, to generate capital for ways to make ISK), but doing so isn't an end in itself. Because missions are insanely dull.
So I guess your first step is to decide on some non intrinsically boring goal or plan of action, then resub. Then starting carrying out that plan.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
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Highs
3x Light Ion Blaster
Mids
1x 1MN Microwarpdrive
1x Stasis Webifier
1x Warp Disruptor (20km)
Lows
2x Nanofiber Internal Structure
Drones
1x Warrior
Can hit well over 2700 m/s with decent skills. Approach target, turn on your Warp Disruptor at 20km, turn on the web at 10km, turn off the MWD and orbit at 500m, blast away. Just be wary of smartbombs, but you should find those rarely if at all in fleet battles.
"I don't know why people ever, ever try to stop nerds from doing things. It's really the most incredible waste of time." - Tycho
Heck yeah!
I need income pretty badly though. Also, My only decent ships will just have to deal and sit around in VFK for the foreseeable future
Oh and maybe start to look at doing plexes.
There isn't much in the way of high value rats around, so I think my biggest ship will likely be a destroyer for the time being, though right now I'm beggared so it's just a tristan with no guns and a hold of hobgob 2s
The solo belt ratting ship of choice is a stealth bomber. Their effectiveness is very closely tied to their racial damage type though, so if you work towards bombers (pro-tip: it's the same ship skill as covops which you use for finding plexes) make sure to match your racial frigate skill upon which your bomber depends to the rat type:
Caldari Frigate: Guristas, Serpentis, Angels
Gallente Frigate: Serpentis, Blood Raiders, Sansha, Guristas
Amarr Frigate: Sansha, Bloods, Serps
Minmatar Frigate: Angels
The good thing about training towards a stealth bomber is that you're only a Rank 2 skill away from any other stealth bomber, so they're a great cross-training platform. They're also tolerant of not-all-V missile skills.
Thanks for the tips though