Exactly. Submachine guns aren't the most effective way to stop a suicide bomber, but they are incredibly effective at killing stupid kids who may not realize that the average slack-jawed American thinks a breadboard looks like a bomb.
Totally OP, but what is the best way to stop a suicide bomber in a place like an airport, if not a SMG? Because something like a UMP with .45 auto rounds would be tough to beat, I'd have to imagine.
Unless you could sneak up on them with one of those controlled detonation robots, heh.
Maybe have a magician do magic tricks to distract them while security sneaks up behind them with a huge butterfly net?
Use a gigantic magnet to take the bomb from their hands.
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In a hypothetical sense, responding to someone who's suspected of being a suicide bomber with several SMG-armed troopers in a show of force may not be a very sound plan.
Exactly. Submachine guns aren't the most effective way to stop a suicide bomber, but they are incredibly effective at killing stupid kids who may not realize that the average slack-jawed American thinks a breadboard looks like a bomb.
Are you sure it's not the most effective way? I haven't attended any FBI seminars recently, what should they have done?
Well, for one thing, don't give them a reason to panic and push the button and kill everyone in a 20m radius, including the officers.
Secondly, consider that the "shoot them in the head before they know we're onto them" method is not exactly a viable option for an airport (not to mention a source of bad press in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel when it turns out they didn't have a bomb).
I just think between the options of sniper, unarmed negotiator (combined with sniper), or stormtroopers with SMGs in direct assault, the latter is probably the most likely of the three to end in an explosion. But yeah, I'll concede that there's really no good way to deal with this situation.
Exactly. Submachine guns aren't the most effective way to stop a suicide bomber, but they are incredibly effective at killing stupid kids who may not realize that the average slack-jawed American thinks a breadboard looks like a bomb.
Totally OP, but what is the best way to stop a suicide bomber in a place like an airport, if not a SMG? Because something like a UMP with .45 auto rounds would be tough to beat, I'd have to imagine.
Unless you could sneak up on them with one of those controlled detonation robots, heh.
Maybe have a magician do magic tricks to distract them while security sneaks up behind them with a huge butterfly net?
Use a gigantic magnet to take the bomb from their hands.
Ah, the Wile E. Coyote security company is providing airport service.
Considering that if it is a bomb you need to ensure that they're dead before they can trigger it? I'd go sniper. Shot to the head. But then again, that doesn't work out so well for her either. So I guess there's really no "good" way to react to a dumb kid that doesn't realize her shirt looks (to the grossly uninformed) like a bomb.
oh quit trying to lord yourself over us like you're the only person who knows what a(ll) bomb(s) look like.
In a hypothetical sense, responding to someone who's suspected of being a suicide bomber with several SMG-armed troopers in a show of force may not be a very sound plan.
Exactly. Submachine guns aren't the most effective way to stop a suicide bomber, but they are incredibly effective at killing stupid kids who may not realize that the average slack-jawed American thinks a breadboard looks like a bomb.
Are you sure it's not the most effective way? I haven't attended any FBI seminars recently, what should they have done?
Well, for one thing, don't give them a reason to panic and push the button and kill everyone in a 20m radius, including the officers.
Secondly, considering the "shoot them in the head before they know we're onto them" method is not exactly a viable option for an airport (not to mention a source of bad press in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel when it turns out they didn't have a bomb).
So you don't actually have an alternative then.
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I just think between the options of sniper, unarmed negotiator (combined with sniper), or stormtroopers with SMGs in direct assault, the latter is probably the most likely of the three to end in an explosion. But yeah, I'll concede that there's really no good way to deal with this situation.
I don't think it'd be easy to set up a sniper effectively in an airport. Unless like they start designing built in sniping spots which would make me all sorts of uncomfortable.
In a hypothetical sense, responding to someone who's suspected of being a suicide bomber with several SMG-armed troopers in a show of force may not be a very sound plan.
Exactly. Submachine guns aren't the most effective way to stop a suicide bomber, but they are incredibly effective at killing stupid kids who may not realize that the average slack-jawed American thinks a breadboard looks like a bomb.
Are you sure it's not the most effective way? I haven't attended any FBI seminars recently, what should they have done?
Well, for one thing, don't give them a reason to panic and push the button and kill everyone in a 20m radius, including the officers.
Secondly, considering the "shoot them in the head before they know we're onto them" method is not exactly a viable option for an airport (not to mention a source of bad press in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel when it turns out they didn't have a bomb).
So you don't actually have an alternative then.
I don't have a cure for cancer, but I'm clever enough to tell you not to huff fucking asbestos.
Exactly. Submachine guns aren't the most effective way to stop a suicide bomber, but they are incredibly effective at killing stupid kids who may not realize that the average slack-jawed American thinks a breadboard looks like a bomb.
Totally OP, but what is the best way to stop a suicide bomber in a place like an airport, if not a SMG? Because something like a UMP with .45 auto rounds would be tough to beat, I'd have to imagine.
Unless you could sneak up on them with one of those controlled detonation robots, heh.
Maybe have a magician do magic tricks to distract them while security sneaks up behind them with a huge butterfly net?
Use a gigantic magnet to take the bomb from their hands.
Ah, the Wile E. Coyote security company is providing airport service.
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Considering that if it is a bomb you need to ensure that they're dead before they can trigger it? I'd go sniper. Shot to the head. But then again, that doesn't work out so well for her either. So I guess there's really no "good" way to react to a dumb kid that doesn't realize her shirt looks (to the grossly uninformed) like a bomb.
oh quit trying to lord yourself over us like you're the only person who knows what a(ll) bomb(s) look like.
No, it's more a case of I do know what EE project boards look like. I also do know what most bombs look like...I've seen a variety. I also know what bombs don't generally look like.
I also know that only the world's dumbest terrorist would use solderless breadboard for a bomb.
If you feel like that's "lording over you," well gee whiz I'm sorry.
I just think between the options of sniper, unarmed negotiator (combined with sniper), or stormtroopers with SMGs in direct assault, the latter is probably the most likely of the three to end in an explosion. But yeah, I'll concede that there's really no good way to deal with this situation.
I don't think it'd be easy to set up a sniper effectively in an airport. Unless like they start designing built in sniping spots which would make me all sorts of uncomfortable.
They can just hand a sniper rifle to everyone in the terminal, then it'd be like a giant real-life HALO game!
I just think between the options of sniper, unarmed negotiator (combined with sniper), or stormtroopers with SMGs in direct assault, the latter is probably the most likely of the three to end in an explosion. But yeah, I'll concede that there's really no good way to deal with this situation.
I don't think it'd be easy to set up a sniper effectively in an airport. Unless like they start designing built in sniping spots which would make me all sorts of uncomfortable.
Why? That would be perfect! You can set up spawn points right next to them. And infinite ammo boxes right next to them too. Maybe a red and blue flag, too. Heck, if the airport is big enough, you can even put vehicles at key locations.
edit: Dammit, Irene beat me. Payback for my beating her in [chat].
In a hypothetical sense, responding to someone who's suspected of being a suicide bomber with several SMG-armed troopers in a show of force may not be a very sound plan.
Exactly. Submachine guns aren't the most effective way to stop a suicide bomber, but they are incredibly effective at killing stupid kids who may not realize that the average slack-jawed American thinks a breadboard looks like a bomb.
Are you sure it's not the most effective way? I haven't attended any FBI seminars recently, what should they have done?
Well, for one thing, don't give them a reason to panic and push the button and kill everyone in a 20m radius, including the officers.
Secondly, considering the "shoot them in the head before they know we're onto them" method is not exactly a viable option for an airport (not to mention a source of bad press in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel when it turns out they didn't have a bomb).
So you don't actually have an alternative then.
I don't have a cure for cancer, but I'm clever enough to tell you not to huff fucking asbestos.
So your area of expertise is solely concerned with how other people are stupid.
Great. You're making an enormous contribution. If you weren't here we probably couldn't find anyone else like you in the whole internets.
I just think between the options of sniper, unarmed negotiator (combined with sniper), or stormtroopers with SMGs in direct assault, the latter is probably the most likely of the three to end in an explosion. But yeah, I'll concede that there's really no good way to deal with this situation.
I don't think it'd be easy to set up a sniper effectively in an airport. Unless like they start designing built in sniping spots which would make me all sorts of uncomfortable.
They can just hand a sniper rifle to everyone in the terminal, then it'd be like a giant real-life HALO game!
I think that, given she just showed up to meet someone coming off of a flight-- and since he had a ride anyway, seeing as how he managed to leave without seeing her-- it really was probably just an impromptu meet and greet.
She was probably too busy singing along with her iPod while on the subway or stressing over career day to put two and two together about blinking lights in an airport. Also, I think the title of this thread is sort of inappropriate as her defense of it as "art" is pretty inconsequential. Also, calling it a fake bomb, since it wasn't.
It was a fashion statement by an electronics student, who could understandably make this mistake if she hasn't been watching network TV for more than several hours a day.
First, I'm paraphrasing from the news headlines and wire reports. Go bust their balls, not mine.
Second, what exaclty do you call a device that is meant to look like bomb but isn't? What suits your mood better?
Faux bomb?
Counterfit bomb?
Diet bomb?
The un-bomb?
it's not meant to look like a bomb. She's a fucking MIT Elec. Engineering student. The shirt's a damn circtuit board with lights.
It's like an anime fan walking around in a Bleach T-Shirt, or a sci-fi fan in a Battlestar Galactica T-shirt
Considering that if it is a bomb you need to ensure that they're dead before they can trigger it? I'd go sniper. Shot to the head. But then again, that doesn't work out so well for her either. So I guess there's really no "good" way to react to a dumb kid that doesn't realize her shirt looks (to the grossly uninformed) like a bomb.
oh quit trying to lord yourself over us like you're the only person who knows what a(ll) bomb(s) look like.
No, it's more a case of I do know what EE project boards look like. I also do know what most bombs look like...I've seen a variety. I also know what bombs don't generally look like.
I also know that only the world's dumbest terrorist would use solderless breadboard for a bomb.
If you feel like that's "lording over you," well gee whiz I'm sorry.
Considering that if it is a bomb you need to ensure that they're dead before they can trigger it? I'd go sniper. Shot to the head. But then again, that doesn't work out so well for her either. So I guess there's really no "good" way to react to a dumb kid that doesn't realize her shirt looks (to the grossly uninformed) like a bomb.
oh quit trying to lord yourself over us like you're the only person who knows what a(ll) bomb(s) look like.
No, it's more a case of I do know what EE project boards look like. I also do know what most bombs look like...I've seen a variety. I also know what bombs don't generally look like.
I also know that only the world's dumbest terrorist would use solderless breadboard for a bomb.
If you feel like that's "lording over you," well gee whiz I'm sorry.
well ok not 'lording over' I guess (sorry hehe) but still, in a day and age where any and all suspicious devices are suspect in airports accross america, it had to be treated as hostile.
how many electrinoc devices with batteries attached sticking out of shirts have you seen at the airport?
At the airport? Never. Otherwise? Over a dozen.
I do not believe your experience to be common Doc.
I'll second Doc's experience, but then there was a huge fad for those t-shirts that have LED scrolling displays in the chest not so long ago. They definitely made security in the railway station I worked in a bit jumpy at first.
From my perspective, I don't think it was unreasonable for her to wear the shirt to an airport, particularly because I don't think "it doesn't resemble a bomb" is an unreasonable opinion. From her point of view, it was an awesome t-shirt accessory, and it's not very hard to imagine that it would never occur to her that somebody might mistake it for a bomb. Seriously, how many of you carefully consider if what you're wearing makes you look like a terrorist?
Regarding the response, I don't think the initial response (SWAT) was unreasonable. The Airport security thought it could be a bomb, and acted as such, because that's their job. It reminds me of an incident over here not so long ago when someone flying domestically out of Glasgow had a couple of kilos of lorne sausage in their hold luggage (you can't get it in England, my family often does the same if we're all going to stay with English relatives over Christmas). The thing about Lorne sausage though, is that it comes in a big block, and on an airport X-ray, looks very much like plastic explosive. Huge security alert was triggered, until eventually it was discovered to be harmless, at which point the matter was dropped.
Attempting to charge this woman with a crime for not going about her daily life in a state of constant paranoia beggars belief.
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In a hypothetical sense, responding to someone who's suspected of being a suicide bomber with several SMG-armed troopers in a show of force may not be a very sound plan.
Exactly. Submachine guns aren't the most effective way to stop a suicide bomber, but they are incredibly effective at killing stupid kids who may not realize that the average slack-jawed American thinks a breadboard looks like a bomb.
Are you sure it's not the most effective way? I haven't attended any FBI seminars recently, what should they have done?
Well, for one thing, don't give them a reason to panic and push the button and kill everyone in a 20m radius, including the officers.
Secondly, considering the "shoot them in the head before they know we're onto them" method is not exactly a viable option for an airport (not to mention a source of bad press in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel when it turns out they didn't have a bomb).
So you don't actually have an alternative then.
I don't have a cure for cancer, but I'm clever enough to tell you not to huff fucking asbestos.
So your area of expertise is solely concerned with how other people are stupid.
Great. You're making an enormous contribution. If you weren't here we probably couldn't find anyone else like you in the whole internets.
Aren't I?
But seriously, if there's anything the IDF has learned over the past two decades it's that overwhelming shows of force in relation to suicide bombers just exacerbates the situation.
I just think between the options of sniper, unarmed negotiator (combined with sniper), or stormtroopers with SMGs in direct assault, the latter is probably the most likely of the three to end in an explosion. But yeah, I'll concede that there's really no good way to deal with this situation.
I don't think it'd be easy to set up a sniper effectively in an airport. Unless like they start designing built in sniping spots which would make me all sorts of uncomfortable.
Why? That would be perfect! You can set up spawn points right next to them. And infinite ammo boxes right next to them too. Maybe a red and blue flag, too. Heck, if the airport is big enough, you can even put vehicles at key locations.
edit: Dammit, Irene beat me. Payback for my beating her in [chat].
yes@japan. I'm glad they made a big fuss because that's their job to be paranoid and watch people. Now fucking drop it because it's not illegal to put computer parts on your shirt and be expressive.
I think that, given she just showed up to meet someone coming off of a flight-- and since he had a ride anyway, seeing as how he managed to leave without seeing her-- it really was probably just an impromptu meet and greet.
She was probably too busy singing along with her iPod while on the subway or stressing over career day to put two and two together about blinking lights in an airport. Also, I think the title of this thread is sort of inappropriate as her defense of it as "art" is pretty inconsequential. Also, calling it a fake bomb, since it wasn't.
It was a fashion statement by an electronics student, who could understandably make this mistake if she hasn't been watching network TV for more than several hours a day.
First, I'm paraphrasing from the news headlines and wire reports. Go bust their balls, not mine.
Second, what exaclty do you call a device that is meant to look like bomb but isn't? What suits your mood better?
Faux bomb?
Counterfit bomb?
Diet bomb?
The un-bomb?
it's not meant to look like a bomb. She's a fucking MIT Elec. Engineering student. The shirt's a damn circtuit board with lights.
It's like an anime fan walking around in a Bleach T-Shirt, or a sci-fi fan in a Battlestar Galactica T-shirt
Yeah, they all wear them at MIT.
I remember that from when I used to work at a resaurant one block from campus.
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edited September 2007
Isn't there a rather sizeable block of students who refer to themselves as "the borg"?
I think that, given she just showed up to meet someone coming off of a flight-- and since he had a ride anyway, seeing as how he managed to leave without seeing her-- it really was probably just an impromptu meet and greet.
She was probably too busy singing along with her iPod while on the subway or stressing over career day to put two and two together about blinking lights in an airport. Also, I think the title of this thread is sort of inappropriate as her defense of it as "art" is pretty inconsequential. Also, calling it a fake bomb, since it wasn't.
It was a fashion statement by an electronics student, who could understandably make this mistake if she hasn't been watching network TV for more than several hours a day.
First, I'm paraphrasing from the news headlines and wire reports. Go bust their balls, not mine.
Second, what exaclty do you call a device that is meant to look like bomb but isn't? What suits your mood better?
Faux bomb?
Counterfit bomb?
Diet bomb?
The un-bomb?
it's not meant to look like a bomb. She's a fucking MIT Elec. Engineering student. The shirt's a damn circtuit board with lights.
It's like an anime fan walking around in a Bleach T-Shirt, or a sci-fi fan in a Battlestar Galactica T-shirt
No, I think it's more like a Bleach fan walking around with a fake sword, but it's not sharp so it's cool. Or a BSG fan walking around with a ray blaster thing, but it's cool 'cause it doesn't shoot real rays.
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I think that, given she just showed up to meet someone coming off of a flight-- and since he had a ride anyway, seeing as how he managed to leave without seeing her-- it really was probably just an impromptu meet and greet.
She was probably too busy singing along with her iPod while on the subway or stressing over career day to put two and two together about blinking lights in an airport. Also, I think the title of this thread is sort of inappropriate as her defense of it as "art" is pretty inconsequential. Also, calling it a fake bomb, since it wasn't.
It was a fashion statement by an electronics student, who could understandably make this mistake if she hasn't been watching network TV for more than several hours a day.
First, I'm paraphrasing from the news headlines and wire reports. Go bust their balls, not mine.
Second, what exaclty do you call a device that is meant to look like bomb but isn't? What suits your mood better?
Faux bomb?
Counterfit bomb?
Diet bomb?
The un-bomb?
it's not meant to look like a bomb. She's a fucking MIT Elec. Engineering student. The shirt's a damn circtuit board with lights.
It's like an anime fan walking around in a Bleach T-Shirt, or a sci-fi fan in a Battlestar Galactica T-shirt
Your argument hinges on wether or not she walked up to them holding a sign that said in huge letters "HI! I AM A MIT STUDENT AND WHAT I AM WEARING IS FOR CAREER DAY! DO NOT BE AFRAID, ALL IS WELL!" and the law enforcement chappies being able to instantly recognize that it wasn't an IED. Obviously they were not nor did they take any chances.
However, since that didn't happen, I reckon the police responded with what THEY though looked like a bomb, and what they said LOOKED like a bomb, not what I thought looked like a bomb.
Jeebus, Mary, and Joseph. I just repeated the fucking story people. I didn't fucking report it, nor was I a police officer on the scene deciding if it was an IED, bomb, or anything else that starts with "BO-" and ends with "OMB".
No, I think it's more like a Bleach fan walking around with a fake sword, but it's not sharp so it's cool. Or a BSG fan walking around with a ray blaster thing, but it's cool 'cause it doesn't shoot real rays.
Except this wasn't designed to look like a weapon. Fail.
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I think that, given she just showed up to meet someone coming off of a flight-- and since he had a ride anyway, seeing as how he managed to leave without seeing her-- it really was probably just an impromptu meet and greet.
She was probably too busy singing along with her iPod while on the subway or stressing over career day to put two and two together about blinking lights in an airport. Also, I think the title of this thread is sort of inappropriate as her defense of it as "art" is pretty inconsequential. Also, calling it a fake bomb, since it wasn't.
It was a fashion statement by an electronics student, who could understandably make this mistake if she hasn't been watching network TV for more than several hours a day.
First, I'm paraphrasing from the news headlines and wire reports. Go bust their balls, not mine.
Second, what exaclty do you call a device that is meant to look like bomb but isn't? What suits your mood better?
Faux bomb?
Counterfit bomb?
Diet bomb?
The un-bomb?
it's not meant to look like a bomb. She's a fucking MIT Elec. Engineering student. The shirt's a damn circtuit board with lights.
It's like an anime fan walking around in a Bleach T-Shirt, or a sci-fi fan in a Battlestar Galactica T-shirt
No, I think it's more like a Bleach fan walking around with a fake sword, but it's not sharp so it's cool. Or a BSG fan walking around with a ray blaster thing, but it's cool 'cause it doesn't shoot real rays.
What the fuck is wrong with you? If anything it's closer to carrying a portable DVD player or something. It isn't a bomb, it looks nothing like a bomb actually looks like, and it only became an issue because the police were overzealous, and what's happening to her is absolutely ridiculous.
Edit: It seems that your suggesting that speech is protected until the cops say it isn't. That's a rather dangerous position to take.
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Your argument hinges on wether or not she walked up to them holding a sign that said in huge letters "HI! I AM A MIT STUDENT AND WHAT I AM WEARING IS FOR CAREER DAY! DO NOT BE AFRAID, ALL IS WELL!"
Well no, but she did have something like that printed on her shirt.
Your argument hinges on wether or not she walked up to them holding a sign that said in huge letters "HI! I AM A MIT STUDENT AND WHAT I AM WEARING IS FOR CAREER DAY! DO NOT BE AFRAID, ALL IS WELL!"
Well no, but she did have something like that printed on her shirt.
"Socket to me" And "Course IV" fall somewhat short of communicating that.
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Why would she be proud of that thing anyway? It looks like shit.
I think that, given she just showed up to meet someone coming off of a flight-- and since he had a ride anyway, seeing as how he managed to leave without seeing her-- it really was probably just an impromptu meet and greet.
She was probably too busy singing along with her iPod while on the subway or stressing over career day to put two and two together about blinking lights in an airport. Also, I think the title of this thread is sort of inappropriate as her defense of it as "art" is pretty inconsequential. Also, calling it a fake bomb, since it wasn't.
It was a fashion statement by an electronics student, who could understandably make this mistake if she hasn't been watching network TV for more than several hours a day.
First, I'm paraphrasing from the news headlines and wire reports. Go bust their balls, not mine.
Second, what exaclty do you call a device that is meant to look like bomb but isn't? What suits your mood better?
Faux bomb?
Counterfit bomb?
Diet bomb?
The un-bomb?
it's not meant to look like a bomb. She's a fucking MIT Elec. Engineering student. The shirt's a damn circtuit board with lights.
It's like an anime fan walking around in a Bleach T-Shirt, or a sci-fi fan in a Battlestar Galactica T-shirt
No, I think it's more like a Bleach fan walking around with a fake sword, but it's not sharp so it's cool. Or a BSG fan walking around with a ray blaster thing, but it's cool 'cause it doesn't shoot real rays.
What the fuck is wrong with you? If anything it's closer to carrying a portable DVD player or something. It isn't a bomb, it looks nothing like a bomb actually looks like, and it only became an issue because the police were overzealous, and what's happening to her is absolutely ridiculous.
no, it doesn't look like what YOU think a bomb actually looks like. Airport security was looking for suspicious devices (like they always are (because it's their job)), they saw one, they contained the perceived threat. case closed. It doesn't matter what it was or wasn't intended to look like. It only matters that it was a very out of the ordinary electronic device in the middle of an airport.
Your argument hinges on wether or not she walked up to them holding a sign that said in huge letters "HI! I AM A MIT STUDENT AND WHAT I AM WEARING IS FOR CAREER DAY! DO NOT BE AFRAID, ALL IS WELL!"
Well no, but she did have something like that printed on her shirt.
"Socket to me" And "Course IV" fall somewhat short of communicating that.
Your argument hinges on wether or not she walked up to them holding a sign that said in huge letters "HI! I AM A MIT STUDENT AND WHAT I AM WEARING IS FOR CAREER DAY! DO NOT BE AFRAID, ALL IS WELL!"
Well no, but she did have something like that printed on her shirt.
"Socket to me" And "Course IV" fall somewhat short of communicating that.
Ah, I am mistaken, then.
I don't know, "Socket to me" and "Course IV" seem to indicate some kind of course in electrical engineering to me.
Maybe it's just the fact I spent 3 semesters among engineers at VCU before switching my major
What the fuck is wrong with you? If anything it's closer to carrying a portable DVD player or something. It isn't a bomb, it looks nothing like a bomb actually looks like, and it only became an issue because the police were overzealous, and what's happening to her is absolutely ridiculous.
Edit: It seems that your suggesting that speech is protected until the cops say it isn't. That's a rather dangerous position to take.
Once they figured out it wasn't a bomb it should have been over. If she wants to hold play dough and wear strange electronic devices the government shouldn't stop her. What I'm saying is that an airport has security looking for people who look and/or act suspicious. A blinking device with a battery and exposed wires is suspicious. A portable DVD player is not.
no, it doesn't look like what YOU think a bomb actually looks like. Airport security was looking for suspicious devices (like they always are (because it's their job)), they saw one, they contained the perceived threat. case closed. It doesn't matter what it was or wasn't intended to look like. It only matters that it was a very out of the ordinary electronic device in the middle of an airport.
But I think that is the entire point... it only looked like a bomb to security... the girl wasn't thinking "gee, I wonder if this looks like a bomb" and frankly, being an MIT student who works around electronics components all the time, I don't see why she WOULD think that. She wasn't trying to board a plane, she was just picking up a friend.
The simple fact is, you shouldn't be charged with inciting panic or terrorism unless you have some good intent, or a reasonable expectation that your actions would cause such. Frankly, I think maybe a circuit board skates up to that line, but looking at it in context, I can't see how anyone would think that would cross it.
By the way, if Boston overreacts to another fake bomb, is their fourth one free?
A blinking device with a battery and exposed wires is suspicious. A portable DVD player is not.
Again, that's from your persepective. Some Luddite might see the thing and call security on your ass. And to some people, a circuit board is just as common as a portable DVD player, and no more threatening.
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Use a gigantic magnet to take the bomb from their hands.
Well, for one thing, don't give them a reason to panic and push the button and kill everyone in a 20m radius, including the officers.
Secondly, consider that the "shoot them in the head before they know we're onto them" method is not exactly a viable option for an airport (not to mention a source of bad press in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel when it turns out they didn't have a bomb).
Ah, the Wile E. Coyote security company is providing airport service.
oh quit trying to lord yourself over us like you're the only person who knows what a(ll) bomb(s) look like.
So you don't actually have an alternative then.
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No, it's more a case of I do know what EE project boards look like. I also do know what most bombs look like...I've seen a variety. I also know what bombs don't generally look like.
I also know that only the world's dumbest terrorist would use solderless breadboard for a bomb.
If you feel like that's "lording over you," well gee whiz I'm sorry.
@Shinto: Gotcha. Never mind, then.
They can just hand a sniper rifle to everyone in the terminal, then it'd be like a giant real-life HALO game!
edit: Dammit, Irene beat me. Payback for my beating her in [chat].
So your area of expertise is solely concerned with how other people are stupid.
Great. You're making an enormous contribution. If you weren't here we probably couldn't find anyone else like you in the whole internets.
*BANG*
it's not meant to look like a bomb. She's a fucking MIT Elec. Engineering student. The shirt's a damn circtuit board with lights.
It's like an anime fan walking around in a Bleach T-Shirt, or a sci-fi fan in a Battlestar Galactica T-shirt
They teach you what suicide bombs look like?
well ok not 'lording over' I guess (sorry hehe) but still, in a day and age where any and all suspicious devices are suspect in airports accross america, it had to be treated as hostile.
I'll second Doc's experience, but then there was a huge fad for those t-shirts that have LED scrolling displays in the chest not so long ago. They definitely made security in the railway station I worked in a bit jumpy at first.
From my perspective, I don't think it was unreasonable for her to wear the shirt to an airport, particularly because I don't think "it doesn't resemble a bomb" is an unreasonable opinion. From her point of view, it was an awesome t-shirt accessory, and it's not very hard to imagine that it would never occur to her that somebody might mistake it for a bomb. Seriously, how many of you carefully consider if what you're wearing makes you look like a terrorist?
Regarding the response, I don't think the initial response (SWAT) was unreasonable. The Airport security thought it could be a bomb, and acted as such, because that's their job. It reminds me of an incident over here not so long ago when someone flying domestically out of Glasgow had a couple of kilos of lorne sausage in their hold luggage (you can't get it in England, my family often does the same if we're all going to stay with English relatives over Christmas). The thing about Lorne sausage though, is that it comes in a big block, and on an airport X-ray, looks very much like plastic explosive. Huge security alert was triggered, until eventually it was discovered to be harmless, at which point the matter was dropped.
Attempting to charge this woman with a crime for not going about her daily life in a state of constant paranoia beggars belief.
Aren't I?
But seriously, if there's anything the IDF has learned over the past two decades it's that overwhelming shows of force in relation to suicide bombers just exacerbates the situation.
Haha, lengthy expounding ftl.
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Yeah, they all wear them at MIT.
I remember that from when I used to work at a resaurant one block from campus.
No, I think it's more like a Bleach fan walking around with a fake sword, but it's not sharp so it's cool. Or a BSG fan walking around with a ray blaster thing, but it's cool 'cause it doesn't shoot real rays.
Your argument hinges on wether or not she walked up to them holding a sign that said in huge letters "HI! I AM A MIT STUDENT AND WHAT I AM WEARING IS FOR CAREER DAY! DO NOT BE AFRAID, ALL IS WELL!" and the law enforcement chappies being able to instantly recognize that it wasn't an IED. Obviously they were not nor did they take any chances.
However, since that didn't happen, I reckon the police responded with what THEY though looked like a bomb, and what they said LOOKED like a bomb, not what I thought looked like a bomb.
Jeebus, Mary, and Joseph. I just repeated the fucking story people. I didn't fucking report it, nor was I a police officer on the scene deciding if it was an IED, bomb, or anything else that starts with "BO-" and ends with "OMB".
Except this wasn't designed to look like a weapon. Fail.
What the fuck is wrong with you? If anything it's closer to carrying a portable DVD player or something. It isn't a bomb, it looks nothing like a bomb actually looks like, and it only became an issue because the police were overzealous, and what's happening to her is absolutely ridiculous.
Edit: It seems that your suggesting that speech is protected until the cops say it isn't. That's a rather dangerous position to take.
"Socket to me" And "Course IV" fall somewhat short of communicating that.
no, it doesn't look like what YOU think a bomb actually looks like. Airport security was looking for suspicious devices (like they always are (because it's their job)), they saw one, they contained the perceived threat. case closed. It doesn't matter what it was or wasn't intended to look like. It only matters that it was a very out of the ordinary electronic device in the middle of an airport.
A link to a picture of the device:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/09/mit_student_arr.html
How the fuck was that considered a bomb? They made it sound like she had a motherboard, LED's and a fucking block of Play-Doh on her.
Can someone insert the picture of the photo with the cop and the close-up?
Can we also start a discussion on why anyone in MIT would want to style their hair like a DBZ character?
I don't know, "Socket to me" and "Course IV" seem to indicate some kind of course in electrical engineering to me.
Maybe it's just the fact I spent 3 semesters among engineers at VCU before switching my major
if this is true then it sounds like it all could have been avoided.
But I think that is the entire point... it only looked like a bomb to security... the girl wasn't thinking "gee, I wonder if this looks like a bomb" and frankly, being an MIT student who works around electronics components all the time, I don't see why she WOULD think that. She wasn't trying to board a plane, she was just picking up a friend.
The simple fact is, you shouldn't be charged with inciting panic or terrorism unless you have some good intent, or a reasonable expectation that your actions would cause such. Frankly, I think maybe a circuit board skates up to that line, but looking at it in context, I can't see how anyone would think that would cross it.
By the way, if Boston overreacts to another fake bomb, is their fourth one free?
Again, that's from your persepective. Some Luddite might see the thing and call security on your ass. And to some people, a circuit board is just as common as a portable DVD player, and no more threatening.