It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
My cousin went through one of the top auto mechanic schools in the country about 5 years ago. He also was racing with big names in go-carts since he was 9 so he has some fairly huge connections in the auto mechanic world. He managed to pull down a job with briggs & straton in their go-cart race engine department where he makes ~$35k, but he says 75% of his class is currently working jiffy lube, if they're even still in the industry.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
What? That chart isn't even divided by major. All that proves is if you dick around for 2 years at a community college for an associates in miscellaneous studies you are worse off than if you did the same at a 4 year college. And so? The 2 year nursing student is better off than both.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
What? That chart isn't even divided by major. All that proves is if you dick around for 2 years at a community college for an associates in miscellaneous studies you are worse off than if you did the same at a 4 year college. And so? The 2 year nursing student is better off than both.
I work in the healthcare industry. Nursing is in a glut, in part because it was seen as a flight to safety. There are just too many new nurses on the market, so the edge is going to those with either experience or a four-year degree.
The "go into the trades" mantra going around right now is just another comforting myth. Whatever the solution to our current economic troubles may be, feeding kids into a floating boom and bust cycle of plumbers, welders, mechanics and carpenters isn't the answer.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
What? That chart isn't even divided by major. All that proves is if you dick around for 2 years at a community college for an associates in miscellaneous studies you are worse off than if you did the same at a 4 year college. And so? The 2 year nursing student is better off than both.
I work in the healthcare industry. Nursing is in a glut, in part because it was seen as a flight to safety. There are just too many new nurses on the market, so the edge is going to those with either experience or a four-year degree.
The "go into the trades" mantra going around right now is just another comforting myth. Whatever the solution to our current economic troubles may be, feeding kinds into a floating boom and bust cycle of plumbers, welders, mechanics and carpenters isn't the answer.
The long and short of it is that sometime soon (not necessarily now, but within a few decades) we're going to just have to start asking some hard questions because of globalization and automation: many jobs will simply cease to exist, and we'll need to decide if we want to move towards the dystopian society with a permanent underclass, or have the sort of society where everyone has a certain baseline but it's paid for almost entirely by the rich. There's probably just not going to be enough jobs for the number of people that exist as automation increases.
It seems like such a horrible idea to keep somebody around against their will in something where effort is so essential.
Does she have a real chance to go pro? Because the only thing keeping her trying would be her future prospects (or an unwillingness to be as large of an asshole as the school is.)
Also add in the possibility that she can only afford to go to school because of her athletic scholarship.
Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
What? That chart isn't even divided by major. All that proves is if you dick around for 2 years at a community college for an associates in miscellaneous studies you are worse off than if you did the same at a 4 year college. And so? The 2 year nursing student is better off than both.
I work in the healthcare industry. Nursing is in a glut, in part because it was seen as a flight to safety. There are just too many new nurses on the market, so the edge is going to those with either experience or a four-year degree.
The "go into the trades" mantra going around right now is just another comforting myth. Whatever the solution to our current economic troubles may be, feeding kinds into a floating boom and bust cycle of plumbers, welders, mechanics and carpenters isn't the answer.
The long and short of it is that sometime soon (not necessarily now, but within a few decades) we're going to just have to start asking some hard questions because of globalization and automation: many jobs will simply cease to exist, and we'll need to decide if we want to move towards the dystopian society with a permanent underclass, or have the sort of society where everyone has a certain baseline but it's paid for almost entirely by the rich. There's probably just not going to be enough jobs for the number of people that exist as automation increases.
It's beyond the scope of this thread, but since we're running out of food, water, and clean air the answer is, of course, dystopia.
Until then or in spite of, whatever truth there might be behind going to trade schools or local CCs means shit if somebody is willing to trade their athleticism to go to a school they can't afford. Whatever their reason for going there. And if they want to transfer, then who gives a shit? Let them. We all know that 'student-athlete' is a lie, but here is somebody who practically embodies that ideal and the suggestion is she should give up? Fuck that noise.
He recently told SoonerScoop.com that the NCAA made him and his girlfriend sign affidavits that she was not dating him because he was a football player.
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Ikard added, "They kind of drafted it themselves. I said she just likes big guys, just accept it."
After going undrafted, former USC linebacker Morgan Breslin may be in line to collect between $750,000 to $1 million as the first collegiate football player to receive a payout on a loss of value insurance policy, according to an industry source
This makes no sense to me, who was paying the premiums? And do those premiums count as an impermissible benefit? Regardless, yet another troubling development in the world of college athletics.
He recently told SoonerScoop.com that the NCAA made him and his girlfriend sign affidavits that she was not dating him because he was a football player.
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Ikard added, "They kind of drafted it themselves. I said she just likes big guys, just accept it."
I-is his girlfriend an escort working for the college?
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After going undrafted, former USC linebacker Morgan Breslin may be in line to collect between $750,000 to $1 million as the first collegiate football player to receive a payout on a loss of value insurance policy, according to an industry source
This makes no sense to me, who was paying the premiums? And do those premiums count as an impermissible benefit? Regardless, yet another troubling development in the world of college athletics.
The article makes it sound like the players get a loan to pay the premiums. This seems reasonable from the banks perspective as either the player is going to get into the NFL and be able to pay it back or get the insurance payout.
After going undrafted, former USC linebacker Morgan Breslin may be in line to collect between $750,000 to $1 million as the first collegiate football player to receive a payout on a loss of value insurance policy, according to an industry source
This makes no sense to me, who was paying the premiums? And do those premiums count as an impermissible benefit? Regardless, yet another troubling development in the world of college athletics.
The article makes it sound like the players get a loan to pay the premiums. This seems reasonable from the banks perspective as either the player is going to get into the NFL and be able to pay it back or get the insurance payout.
But shouldn't that still be considered an impermissible benefit?
After going undrafted, former USC linebacker Morgan Breslin may be in line to collect between $750,000 to $1 million as the first collegiate football player to receive a payout on a loss of value insurance policy, according to an industry source
This makes no sense to me, who was paying the premiums? And do those premiums count as an impermissible benefit? Regardless, yet another troubling development in the world of college athletics.
The article makes it sound like the players get a loan to pay the premiums. This seems reasonable from the banks perspective as either the player is going to get into the NFL and be able to pay it back or get the insurance payout.
But shouldn't that still be considered an impermissible benefit?
I'm not that familiar, but aren't impermissible benefits given by the school? The article made it sound like it was a private transaction between the player and the insurance company.
That can't be their strategy, they can't be that dumb. Pro tip NCAA, you can both idolize a person and still disagree with an opinion they might have.
They sent out a press release last week decrying the lawyers in the case for making money off the hard work of student athletes.
They're pretty dumb.
Also, I found it kind of hilarious on Last Week Tonight yesterday when John Oliver was searching for a comparison for FIFA that would make sense to American sports fans. Apparently he has not been following the NCAA.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
*Outside of the courtroom, the NCAA settled with Sam Keller over his right of publicity lawsuit. This is on top of the settlement that Keller reached with EA.
*O'Bannon took the stand as the lead witness. Questioning of him illustrated the tack both sides will take - the plaintiff's illustrated how much of his college career was defined by the needs of the basketball team, while the defense tried to show that O'Bannon was ultimately making decisions.
Singla said that under Rascher’s model based off TV money, a Vanderbilt football player would receive $325,000 over five years, compared to $14,000 for a Memphis football player; and an Oregon State basketball player would get about $1 million, compared to $250,000 for an Idaho basketball player. Rascher said the conferences will pick a model that satisfies their needs, but also added he's uncertain what an injunction in this case would mean.
The NCAA’s argument: Better players will flock to the schools that pay more money.
You would have to be ignorant as fuck to believe that's not what goes on already. I'm not sure the NCAA has made a single good faith argument in this case so far.
It would be pretty damn hilarious if all the big money conferences went off and did their own thing. At least the NCAA would be dealing with all the amateur athletes again.
And I'm sure that creating their own Premier League won't have any future issues. I also like this:
Moving to Division IV would keep the Power Five under the NCAA umbrella while granting college football's biggest money makers the kind of power to better take care of student-athletes. The SEC, for example, would like to pay full cost of college attendance, provide long-term medical coverage and offer incentives to kids who return to school and complete degrees.
Won't somebody think of the children!? We don't want to pay them.
"I've been so optimistic that we're going to stay in Division I that we haven't sat down and tried to map it out," Slive said. "But we know that failure to create what we're trying to create would result in doing something different. How we would construct a Division IV? We haven't looked in that.
Which translates too "We're not serious about doing this at all, but the NCAA is looking vulnerable and we figure we can force some concessions out of them."
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It's more, "Oh shit, let's figure out some cconcessions that will keep them happy so we don't have to actually give them a noticeable cut of the profits."
well, it does them little good to declare that they never really liked the old system anyway before it's dead. If the NCAA does substantially win this case they don't really want to do into the next round of negotiations having already said they're looking for a way out.
There's no reason the power conferences should really want to stay affiliated with the lower ones and be bound by all the same regulations though. I mean major college football is a pretty different affair from Small State Directional Women's Volleyball; might be time to go ahead and regulate them differently eh?
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Realistically, if she can only afford go to school because of her scholarship and she is not going pro she should look at a community college. There are a ton of programs there that are dirt cheap, have financial aid available, and are going to have much better financial upside than whatever degree she will get as a student on a basketball scholarship.
Otherwise you're just telling everybody not playing football, basketball, or baseball that they should just stick to McDonald's for their future.
College athletics should not be a zero sum game where the only goal is to continue professionally.
Let's see, free education from a major university with a (possibly) crap degree, or a (perceived) crap degree at a (perceived) crap school that she has to pay for out of pocket...
Community colleges aren't that bad, but to many employers they are still seen as worthless and ANY degree from a major university is better than ANY degree from a community college. Right or wrong, that's the world we live in. A world where a bachelors is the new high school diploma.
These days a Masters is starting to become the baseline, it's crazy.
This may be the world that unemployed college grads wish they were in, but here in the real world someone with a 2 year associates from a community college in nursing, welding, auto mechanics, etc is infinitely more employable than someone with a 4 year degree in a shitty major. Hell I know guys who are welders with an associates right now that make more than I make and I have a doctorate.
The statistics don't agree with your anecdotes.
My cousin went through one of the top auto mechanic schools in the country about 5 years ago. He also was racing with big names in go-carts since he was 9 so he has some fairly huge connections in the auto mechanic world. He managed to pull down a job with briggs & straton in their go-cart race engine department where he makes ~$35k, but he says 75% of his class is currently working jiffy lube, if they're even still in the industry.
Might wanna double check that link.
What? That chart isn't even divided by major. All that proves is if you dick around for 2 years at a community college for an associates in miscellaneous studies you are worse off than if you did the same at a 4 year college. And so? The 2 year nursing student is better off than both.
I work in the healthcare industry. Nursing is in a glut, in part because it was seen as a flight to safety. There are just too many new nurses on the market, so the edge is going to those with either experience or a four-year degree.
The "go into the trades" mantra going around right now is just another comforting myth. Whatever the solution to our current economic troubles may be, feeding kids into a floating boom and bust cycle of plumbers, welders, mechanics and carpenters isn't the answer.
The long and short of it is that sometime soon (not necessarily now, but within a few decades) we're going to just have to start asking some hard questions because of globalization and automation: many jobs will simply cease to exist, and we'll need to decide if we want to move towards the dystopian society with a permanent underclass, or have the sort of society where everyone has a certain baseline but it's paid for almost entirely by the rich. There's probably just not going to be enough jobs for the number of people that exist as automation increases.
It's beyond the scope of this thread, but since we're running out of food, water, and clean air the answer is, of course, dystopia.
Until then or in spite of, whatever truth there might be behind going to trade schools or local CCs means shit if somebody is willing to trade their athleticism to go to a school they can't afford. Whatever their reason for going there. And if they want to transfer, then who gives a shit? Let them. We all know that 'student-athlete' is a lie, but here is somebody who practically embodies that ideal and the suggestion is she should give up? Fuck that noise.
Go for it, sister!
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This makes no sense to me, who was paying the premiums? And do those premiums count as an impermissible benefit? Regardless, yet another troubling development in the world of college athletics.
I-is his girlfriend an escort working for the college?
The article makes it sound like the players get a loan to pay the premiums. This seems reasonable from the banks perspective as either the player is going to get into the NFL and be able to pay it back or get the insurance payout.
But shouldn't that still be considered an impermissible benefit?
I'm not that familiar, but aren't impermissible benefits given by the school? The article made it sound like it was a private transaction between the player and the insurance company.
Let the doom bell toll for the NCAA.
It's both hilarious and sad.
If you knew welders who make stacks you wouldn't use them to make that point. Alternatively, wait four years and come back to us.
They sent out a press release last week decrying the lawyers in the case for making money off the hard work of student athletes.
They're pretty dumb.
Also, I found it kind of hilarious on Last Week Tonight yesterday when John Oliver was searching for a comparison for FIFA that would make sense to American sports fans. Apparently he has not been following the NCAA.
Highlights:
*Outside of the courtroom, the NCAA settled with Sam Keller over his right of publicity lawsuit. This is on top of the settlement that Keller reached with EA.
*O'Bannon took the stand as the lead witness. Questioning of him illustrated the tack both sides will take - the plaintiff's illustrated how much of his college career was defined by the needs of the basketball team, while the defense tried to show that O'Bannon was ultimately making decisions.
Never change, NCAA.
You would have to be ignorant as fuck to believe that's not what goes on already. I'm not sure the NCAA has made a single good faith argument in this case so far.
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Pretty much. Ultimately, the NCAA's problem is they have no real argument beyond paeans to tradition.
They are basically desperately trying to stall because their guilt is so straightforward and obvious they can't even argue against it.
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Throw that handful of feces at the wall and see if it sticks.
It would be pretty damn hilarious if all the big money conferences went off and did their own thing. At least the NCAA would be dealing with all the amateur athletes again.
Won't somebody think of the children!? We don't want to pay them.
Which translates too "We're not serious about doing this at all, but the NCAA is looking vulnerable and we figure we can force some concessions out of them."
There's no reason the power conferences should really want to stay affiliated with the lower ones and be bound by all the same regulations though. I mean major college football is a pretty different affair from Small State Directional Women's Volleyball; might be time to go ahead and regulate them differently eh?
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