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21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short![They/Them]Registered User regular
edited October 2014 in Debate and/or Discourse
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Chrono Trigger: Brink of Time. original Pixel Art by me

Chrono Trigger (Or, more correctly, Kurono Torigā) is a 1995 Super Nintendo Entertainment System Japanese-style Role Playing Game (Or SNES JRPG for you SFJs).

Featuring a richly layered plot, time travel and an innovative battle system, it is considered by many to be an absolute classic.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    I have never played Chrono Trigger

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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    @DasUberEdward‌

    wait rly?

    1200 under invoice?

    *checks plane prices to ohio*

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    I have never played Chrono Trigger

    you would not like it, so I don't blame you.

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    Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
    @Deebaser‌ I warned you

    To win, you must burn every bridge

    Orphane wrote: »

    one flower ring to rule them all and in the sunlightness bind them

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    I have never played Chrono Trigger

    you would not like it, so I don't blame you.

    this was a mature response

    good work

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Getting towards the end of my second playthrough of Alien Isolation. The game's soundtrack is very understated, most of the time you barely notice it. But there's this one sequence, when the score goes cray - it's like something out of Aliens. And I love it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEXMFRkdjrE
    The sequence in question is where you gotta traverse one extremely narrow corridor between 2 rooms about 4 times, heading back and forth to restart a generator after the power fails. The alien does not let up during this, and it's an extremely stressful sequence. The music kicks in when you get the power back online and have to get the fuck out.

    Oh brilliant
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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    @Pony sorry if I/we came across overbearingly, but I am glad you took another look at things.

    Unity is pretty good.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    i am glad i played chrono trigger (and i wish i had explored it a bit more) but i don't want to play it again

    also, mazzyx, i was talking about the director's cut version.

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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    i am glad i played chrono trigger (and i wish i had explored it a bit more) but i don't want to play it again

    also, mazzyx, i was talking about the director's cut version.

    you know, even compared to its contemporaries, gameplay-wise it wasn't that great...

    But it comes together really well, IMO.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I have never played Chrono Trigger

    you would not like it, so I don't blame you.

    this was a mature response

    good work

    It is probably the very best JRPG ever made on any platform. Nostalgia doesn't prop this game up. It has some of the nicer visuals ever for a sprite/16bit era game, a well written soundtrack, and a good cast of characters who are all interesting and strong in their own ways.

    But it hews so very close to the formula that is the JRPG that if you do not like those kinds of games, you might end up hating it.

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    @Deebaser‌ I warned you

    To win, you must burn every bridge

    Ck2?

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    @Pony sorry if I/we came across overbearingly, but I am glad you took another look at things.

    Unity is pretty good.

    you guys meant well and i know that

    it was just a combination of your enthusiasm and my sensitivity and insecurity about this stuff

    it didn't go well

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    GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    I generally hate JRPGs.

    Because they don't feature choices really, except like waht sword do i

    But damn chrono trigger. It just had a magic to it. The time travel was amazong too. Time travel is always amazong.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    For once, I'm kinda glad I didn't make the thread.

    I had nothing planned.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    I like JRPGs right up until they almost all inevitably decide I have to do 20 odd hours of grinding regular encounters to finish the last portion of the game.

    Quid on
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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Greeper wrote: »
    I generally hate JRPGs.

    Because they don't feature choices really, except like waht sword do i

    But damn chrono trigger. It just had a magic to it. The time travel was amazong too. Time travel is always amazong.

    It was kind of cool going back in time and doing a thing, then going forward in time and oh shit stuff is different

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I have never played Chrono Trigger

    you would not like it, so I don't blame you.

    this was a mature response

    good work

    It is probably the very best JRPG ever made on any platform. Nostalgia doesn't prop this game up. It has some of the nicer visuals ever for a sprite/16bit era game, a well written soundtrack, and a good cast of characters who are all interesting and strong in their own ways.

    But it hews so very close to the formula that is the JRPG that if you do not like those kinds of games, you might end up hating it.

    I disagree with you there...

    FF6 is better IMO. I wouldn't say FF6 is the best, but it's definitely better than CT in my humble opinion.

    It's still a fantastic, fantastic game I would qualify as a must-play for fans of the genre... but the best of it all? Not really.

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    bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    I wish Star Ocean would of come out here

    Its a absurdly impressive snes game, I think it would of been well received other then how expensive it would of been

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Maybe I could talk about how cool Yosemite isn't.

    I don't like the font.

    My iMac didn't qualify for Handoff.


    It is butts.

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    I like JRPGs right up until they almost all inevitably decide I have to do 20 odd hours of grinding regular encounters to finish the last portion of the game.

    That is not a problem I often have in JRPGs...

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I have never played Chrono Trigger

    you would not like it, so I don't blame you.

    this was a mature response

    good work

    It is probably the very best JRPG ever made on any platform. Nostalgia doesn't prop this game up. It has some of the nicer visuals ever for a sprite/16bit era game, a well written soundtrack, and a good cast of characters who are all interesting and strong in their own ways.

    But it hews so very close to the formula that is the JRPG that if you do not like those kinds of games, you might end up hating it.

    I disagree with you there...

    FF6 is better IMO. I wouldn't say FF6 is the best, but it's definitely better than CT in my humble opinion.

    It's still a fantastic, fantastic game I would qualify as a must-play for fans of the genre... but the best of it all? Not really.

    Final Fantasy 6 was the best Final Fantasy. Hands down.

    And I would not begrudge anyone for picking it over CT - both games came out very close to each other with a lot of the same talent behind the scenes.

    Chrono Trigger's more layered plot and time-based stuff, along with the ability to avoid or take every encounter as you go (seriously fuck random battles) pushed it over the edge for me.

    But both games are spectacular.

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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Greeper wrote: »
    I generally hate JRPGs.

    Because they don't feature choices really, except like waht sword do i

    But damn chrono trigger. It just had a magic to it. The time travel was amazong too. Time travel is always amazong.

    I generally dislike Western RPGs because they basically offer choices I don't want to take.

    They tell a story poorly that I don't care about and force me to pretend I do and largely only give the illusion of choice.

    And I have to run around talking to people I hate.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    The only JRPG I think I ever played was Final Fantasy Adventure for the original Game Boy.

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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    Not a JRPG but after Dark Souls 2 was hyped up to me I spent $30 on it and was disappointed. A weird leveling system that has to do with your weapon and if you take the wrong path you pretty much have to start over again.

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Goddamnit.

    What are we?

    Mature, adult human beings or nerds?

    We need to pump up the vitriol when discussing games! :razz:

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Here is what I think about JRPGs:

    - they are not RPGs in any real sense. You aren't making choices that impact the story and your character is almost never, in any way, a mechanism for you to impact the world or even for self-expression through aesthetics. They are called RPGs because the earliest ones mimicked D&D dungeon crawls, which were the only parts of D&D that computers of 30 years ago could do justice to.

    - The combat also tends to be weirdly, bizarrely abstracted from the fiction. I've mentioned this before in chat, but it's so common in JRPGs to be - for instance - trying to escape the evil empire's cyber-police station and you're running around in a map that looks like a cyber-police station and there are imperial cyber-police going "stop, you kids!" but then the screen goes BLORP BLORP and suddenly you're in a battle against three flowerpots with panther's heads coming out of them, and a butterfly that casts APOCALYPSOR or something that looks like a meteor hitting the earth and does 9999 damage. And then the fight ends and you're back in the cyber-police station and nobody ever remarks on what happened in that battle. Was it real? Was it a drug trip? Are PantherPots and DeadFlyX39s so common as to be beneath even mentioning?

    - But all this is potentially okay IF:

    - the non-interactive story that I am sitting still for is entertaining and fun (I'm not going to turn up my nose at a good story just because it's only a good story, I'm not a fucking goon)

    - the gameplay is interesting on its own terms and presents me with an interesting set of tactical choices or challenges.

    Unfortunately, I just feel like too often, one or neither of those ends up being true. A lot of the stories either feel like earnestly-felt but badly-done nonsense ("we have to believe in the planet!") or just outright cynical manipulation of the audience's prurient interests ("Kiwi-chan, we can only get out of this if you dress up like a stripper now!"). And the trend with gameplay seems to be to mistake opacity for depth: rather than giving me an array of interesting options that I have to weigh, I feel like so many JRPGs I have played give me a series of featureless black boxes whose purpose is only apparent if I have shelled out $40 for the Prima guide.

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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    Super Mario RPG has to be one of the best JRPGs ever.

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    bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
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    now give me all that sweet media player support the xbone just got

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Maybe I could talk about how cool Yosemite isn't.

    I don't like the font.

    My iMac didn't qualify for Handoff.


    It is butts.

    Handoff is weird. I have two computers - one can handoff and one cannot.

    I know that the other one COULD handoff if they used an older bluetooth profile, but it would be mean to the battery on both the mac and the iPhone to do that so they decided against it.

    The font will fade into the background after a few weeks, just like people who thought iOS 7 looked awful don't talk about that any more. It's change. Change can be rough.

    Thankfully, the changes Apple did are not things that completely break how you use your computer or make it feel alien and unfamiliar after install (coughcoughwindows8).

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    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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    GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    Generally good western RPGs make me feel like:

    "This is me. I was born in space and am an awesome space commander. Or I was born in candlekeep to a God. This is still Greeper though. I'm this person going and doing these things."

    JRPGs make me go:

    "Okay, this is someone else. What's he doing? How can I help? This is someone else. Look at the choices this other person's making. Oh, ok, strange alien god. Let's go kill it."

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Maybe I could talk about how cool Yosemite isn't.

    I don't like the font.

    My iMac didn't qualify for Handoff.


    It is butts.

    Handoff is weird. I have two computers - one can handoff and one cannot.

    I know that the other one COULD handoff if they used an older bluetooth profile, but it would be mean to the battery on both the mac and the iPhone to do that so they decided against it.

    The font will fade into the background after a few weeks, just like people who thought iOS 7 looked awful don't talk about that any more. It's change. Change can be rough.

    Thankfully, the changes Apple did are not things that completely break how you use your computer or make it feel alien and unfamiliar after install (coughcoughwindows8).

    I still wish Safari was more comfortable to use than Chrome. It seems that given the closed-system aspects of Apple's mission, their flagship browser would be a lot more friendly than it is.


    but, nope. it aint.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    That said, despite the number of JRPGs I've actually finished being countable on one hand, if there was ever a new Skies of Arcadia I would throw so much money at it.

    All the fucking money.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Maybe I could talk about how cool Yosemite isn't.

    I don't like the font.

    My iMac didn't qualify for Handoff.


    It is butts.

    Handoff is weird. I have two computers - one can handoff and one cannot.

    I know that the other one COULD handoff if they used an older bluetooth profile, but it would be mean to the battery on both the mac and the iPhone to do that so they decided against it.

    The font will fade into the background after a few weeks, just like people who thought iOS 7 looked awful don't talk about that any more. It's change. Change can be rough.

    Thankfully, the changes Apple did are not things that completely break how you use your computer or make it feel alien and unfamiliar after install (coughcoughwindows8).

    I still wish Safari was more comfortable to use than Chrome. It seems that given the closed-system aspects of Apple's mission, their flagship browser would be a lot more friendly than it is.


    but, nope. it aint.

    What aspects are giving you friction? There are a lot of settings and things you can do to make it play the way you like.

    After all, Chrome and Safari on the desktop are p much the exact same browser with a different frontend and cloud service.

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    GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    I once played a free RPGMaker game called 'The Way' that had the choices of a crpg and the gonzo plot and combat of a jrpg.

    to this day I can't decide what the hell was up with it.

    but it was pretty cool in a weird way.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Maybe I could talk about how cool Yosemite isn't.

    I don't like the font.

    My iMac didn't qualify for Handoff.


    It is butts.

    Handoff is weird. I have two computers - one can handoff and one cannot.

    I know that the other one COULD handoff if they used an older bluetooth profile, but it would be mean to the battery on both the mac and the iPhone to do that so they decided against it.

    The font will fade into the background after a few weeks, just like people who thought iOS 7 looked awful don't talk about that any more. It's change. Change can be rough.

    Thankfully, the changes Apple did are not things that completely break how you use your computer or make it feel alien and unfamiliar after install (coughcoughwindows8).

    I still wish Safari was more comfortable to use than Chrome. It seems that given the closed-system aspects of Apple's mission, their flagship browser would be a lot more friendly than it is.


    but, nope. it aint.

    What aspects are giving you friction? There are a lot of settings and things you can do to make it play the way you like.

    After all, Chrome and Safari on the desktop are p much the exact same browser with a different frontend and cloud service.

    Safari never seems to fill my screen with content unless I use zoom on every page, which is annoying. And the trackpad reads too accurately, shuddering the page unless my scrolling has basically swiss precision.

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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Here is what I think about JRPGs:

    - they are not RPGs in any real sense. You aren't making choices that impact the story and your character is almost never, in any way, a mechanism for you to impact the world or even for self-expression through aesthetics. They are called RPGs because the earliest ones mimicked D&D dungeon crawls, which were the only parts of D&D that computers of 30 years ago could do justice to.

    They frequently offer a fairly high degree of character skill customization which can be more meaningful in terms of core gameplay(combat) than their western counterparts.

    The character customization and developing are fairly akin to... Certain modes of tabletop gaming.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Not a JRPG but after Dark Souls 2 was hyped up to me I spent $30 on it and was disappointed. A weird leveling system that has to do with your weapon and if you take the wrong path you pretty much have to start over again.

    i... are you actually talking about dark souls 2?

    your levels don't have anything to do with your weapon, and there's no reason you'd have to start over again (there are even respec items throughout the game)

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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    I sure with I could check out Yosemite. But my laptop has die. I brought home my Lenovo T420 from work so I have something to use. It's the worst machine this side of anything Toshiba makes. Good lord where did all the weight and thickness come from? Every other laptop has the exact same components and weights half as much.

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    Super Mario RPG has to be one of the best JRPGs ever.

    Have you played the dark cloud games?

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