Graves could have phrased it better but he means well
but yeah one day the women's championship will be back and roll ups will be booed out of the building
because Stephanie McMahon
I mean
You're not wrong
But "one day it'll be better" is like the weakest consolation
Vince McMahon ain't stopping till he's dead and who knows when that'll happen
And unless he does a total shocking move and acknowledges shit is fucked if #GiveDivasAChance being a worldwide trend for over a day and getting headlines and one of their top women talents openly critiquing the brand aren't enough to get his attention I doubt anything will
I don't even think it's Vince that's the problem. Vince will put anything on TV if he thinks he can make money off of it.
The problem is you have guys like Kevin Dunn, who are on record as being against the Divas, in high positions where they can influence Vince and get him to be against the Divas.
The big issue is getting those guys out of power and having more people with open minds in high positions to influence Vince. That's where finding a way to keep a guy like Paul Heyman around once Lesnar leaves is so critical, because he has such a good mind for the business that it would be critical to at least not have him on in a consulting role.
When HHH & Steph take over for Vince, they can give him Kevin Dunn's job.
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there's no reason they can't regularly have a two segment match (with a commercial), there are more than one of those per show and it's not always the most interesting matches.
basically they should get as much time as the tag division which is an assumed long match per night with sometimes another shorter one, based on what I have noticed on raw since I've been watching. that's not counting the many 6 man tags over the last 2 or 3 years.
I would love it if all the sudden they had one or two long Divas matches per week. But this Twitter campaign won't turn around how they do things overnight.
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
If Vince "caves" to a Twitter campaign in his mind that will give power to something only HE should have.
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
If Vince "caves" to a Twitter campaign in his mind that will give power to something only HE should have.
Graves could have phrased it better but he means well
but yeah one day the women's championship will be back and roll ups will be booed out of the building
because Stephanie McMahon
I mean
You're not wrong
But "one day it'll be better" is like the weakest consolation
Vince McMahon ain't stopping till he's dead and who knows when that'll happen
And unless he does a total shocking move and acknowledges shit is fucked if #GiveDivasAChance being a worldwide trend for over a day and getting headlines and one of their top women talents openly critiquing the brand aren't enough to get his attention I doubt anything will
I don't even think it's Vince that's the problem. Vince will put anything on TV if he thinks he can make money off of it.
The problem is you have guys like Kevin Dunn, who are on record as being against the Divas, in high positions where they can influence Vince and get him to be against the Divas.
The big issue is getting those guys out of power and having more people with open minds in high positions to influence Vince. That's where finding a way to keep a guy like Paul Heyman around once Lesnar leaves is so critical, because he has such a good mind for the business that it would be critical to at least not have him on in a consulting role.
When HHH & Steph take over for Vince, they can give him Kevin Dunn's job.
I want a Nexus-style run in on Roman Reigns and John Cena by the entire Women's Division that ends with them spray painting
in the ring and lighting it on fire before walking out
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
I mean
Just because he's aware of something doesn't mean he'll actually do something about it or perceive it as a problem (see: #CancelWWENetwork). Hell, last year they took the #HijackRaw movement and made it a storyline.
I have to assume Vince figures he can just outlast any disappointment in parts of his product, which, if I'm being totally honest, isn't a bad strategy on his part if he believes he's in the right. History has proven he can do that and get away with it because the majority of wrestling fans these days are lifers in one way or another, and his mentality of WWE being a variety show has him thinking that if you don't like one thing then there might be something else that will keep your attention.
It sucks and I hate it and it'll forever be a criticism of WWE but with the main roster shows having to cater to such a wide audience Vince really can just pretend to placate a small subsection whenever it feels slighted in some way while still going about his business.
EDIT: Sorry, Blank. In rereading your post I was putting a lot more into it than you were putting out.
Haha I actually caught that before the edit
Sorry if I am coming across as really aggressive, I've talked about this with my friends a bunch and am very passionate about it
Not trying to be a dick or anything, I just want this thing I really like to be something I can enjoy without having this giant WELL EXCEPT THE WOMEN'S DIVISION IS A JOKE albatross hanging from it
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
I mean
Just because he's aware of something doesn't mean he'll actually do something about it or perceive it as a problem (see: #CancelWWENetwork). Hell, last year they took the #HijackRaw movement and made it a storyline.
I have to assume Vince figures he can just outlast any disappointment in parts of his product, which, if I'm being totally honest, isn't a bad strategy on his part if he believes he's in the right. History has proven he can do that and get away with it because the majority of wrestling fans these days are lifers in one way or another, and his mentality of WWE being a variety show has him thinking that if you don't like one thing then there might be something else that will keep your attention.
It sucks and I hate it and it'll forever be a criticism of WWE but with the main roster shows having to cater to such a wide audience Vince really can just pretend to placate a small subsection whenever it feels slighted in some way while still going about his business.
Vince has never made money making the Internet happy.
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
I mean
Just because he's aware of something doesn't mean he'll actually do something about it or perceive it as a problem (see: #CancelWWENetwork). Hell, last year they took the #HijackRaw movement and made it a storyline.
I have to assume Vince figures he can just outlast any disappointment in parts of his product, which, if I'm being totally honest, isn't a bad strategy on his part if he believes he's in the right. History has proven he can do that and get away with it because the majority of wrestling fans these days are lifers in one way or another, and his mentality of WWE being a variety show has him thinking that if you don't like one thing then there might be something else that will keep your attention.
It sucks and I hate it and it'll forever be a criticism of WWE but with the main roster shows having to cater to such a wide audience Vince really can just pretend to placate a small subsection whenever it feels slighted in some way while still going about his business.
Oh I agree
Vince could just be saying empty platitudes and waiting for it to die out, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what he is doing
That's why I think people shouldn't let it go, keep reminding them that it aint acceptable anymore
Basically I never use my Twitter but will absolutely revive that dead account to tweet next week if there is another joke of a match and I will be very happy if #GiveDivasAChance starts trending again
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
I mean
Just because he's aware of something doesn't mean he'll actually do something about it or perceive it as a problem (see: #CancelWWENetwork). Hell, last year they took the #HijackRaw movement and made it a storyline.
I have to assume Vince figures he can just outlast any disappointment in parts of his product, which, if I'm being totally honest, isn't a bad strategy on his part if he believes he's in the right. History has proven he can do that and get away with it because the majority of wrestling fans these days are lifers in one way or another, and his mentality of WWE being a variety show has him thinking that if you don't like one thing then there might be something else that will keep your attention.
It sucks and I hate it and it'll forever be a criticism of WWE but with the main roster shows having to cater to such a wide audience Vince really can just pretend to placate a small subsection whenever it feels slighted in some way while still going about his business.
Vince has never made money making the Internet happy.
You don't think he's made any money off of CM Punk or Daniel Bryan?
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
I mean
Just because he's aware of something doesn't mean he'll actually do something about it or perceive it as a problem (see: #CancelWWENetwork). Hell, last year they took the #HijackRaw movement and made it a storyline.
I have to assume Vince figures he can just outlast any disappointment in parts of his product, which, if I'm being totally honest, isn't a bad strategy on his part if he believes he's in the right. History has proven he can do that and get away with it because the majority of wrestling fans these days are lifers in one way or another, and his mentality of WWE being a variety show has him thinking that if you don't like one thing then there might be something else that will keep your attention.
It sucks and I hate it and it'll forever be a criticism of WWE but with the main roster shows having to cater to such a wide audience Vince really can just pretend to placate a small subsection whenever it feels slighted in some way while still going about his business.
Vince has never made money making the Internet happy.
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
I mean
Just because he's aware of something doesn't mean he'll actually do something about it or perceive it as a problem (see: #CancelWWENetwork). Hell, last year they took the #HijackRaw movement and made it a storyline.
I have to assume Vince figures he can just outlast any disappointment in parts of his product, which, if I'm being totally honest, isn't a bad strategy on his part if he believes he's in the right. History has proven he can do that and get away with it because the majority of wrestling fans these days are lifers in one way or another, and his mentality of WWE being a variety show has him thinking that if you don't like one thing then there might be something else that will keep your attention.
It sucks and I hate it and it'll forever be a criticism of WWE but with the main roster shows having to cater to such a wide audience Vince really can just pretend to placate a small subsection whenever it feels slighted in some way while still going about his business.
Vince has never made money making the Internet happy.
And, reminder that people were saying that Vince and the other execs don't give a shit about Twitter and don't care about #GiveDivasAChance like just a page or two ago yet we now have both him and Steph acknowledging that they're aware of the issue
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
I mean
Just because he's aware of something doesn't mean he'll actually do something about it or perceive it as a problem (see: #CancelWWENetwork). Hell, last year they took the #HijackRaw movement and made it a storyline.
I have to assume Vince figures he can just outlast any disappointment in parts of his product, which, if I'm being totally honest, isn't a bad strategy on his part if he believes he's in the right. History has proven he can do that and get away with it because the majority of wrestling fans these days are lifers in one way or another, and his mentality of WWE being a variety show has him thinking that if you don't like one thing then there might be something else that will keep your attention.
It sucks and I hate it and it'll forever be a criticism of WWE but with the main roster shows having to cater to such a wide audience Vince really can just pretend to placate a small subsection whenever it feels slighted in some way while still going about his business.
That's the thing. Nobody's trying to say they're reading his thoughts. It's just, the dude's acted a certain way for what, at least 3 straight decades now. At some point, what you expect out of him doesn't equal what is shown by absolutely every piece of evidence and everything every former worker has uttered about the man. He doesn't pander, he admits when he's wrong about a certain thing once and then if it happens again it's somebody else's fault, and he thinks it's a weakness to sneeze. That's Vince, and at some point you have to accept that.
Daniel Bryan and Punk made him money because he got accepted by the mainstream audience.
The Internet crowd is not the mainstream even if they have the loudest, most passionate voice.
Are you saying that the backlash of giving the Women a chance to wrestle a for real match twice a week for the same length as the men would piss off the mainstream fans that much?
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I really don't see the downside of this at all
Raw is already a padded out poorly paced mess most of the time and Smackdown is a 2 hour recap of Raw
If they just cut 10 minutes out of the hour long intro or cut a Fandango match or whatever the heck they want to trim what do they lose? Nothing! Fans aren't going to be pissed that Roman Reigns talked slightly less or that HHH talked about being best for business for 20 minutes instead of 30, and in exchange we get actual women's wrestling that can get more mainstream fans interested because these sports entertainers actually get a chance to do their jobs and show people that, given the chance, they can be just as impressive and entertaining as the men
Daniel Bryan and Punk made him money because he got accepted by the mainstream audience.
The Internet crowd is not the mainstream even if they have the loudest, most passionate voice.
Are you saying that the backlash of giving the Women a chance to wrestle a for real match twice a week for the same length as the men would piss off the mainstream fans that much?
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I really don't see the downside of this at all
Raw is already a padded out poorly paced mess most of the time and Smackdown is a 2 hour recap of Raw
If they just cut 10 minutes out of the hour long intro or cut a Fandango match or whatever the heck they want to trim what do they lose? Nothing! Fans aren't going to be pissed that Roman Reigns talked slightly less or that HHH talked about being best for business for 20 minutes instead of 30, and in exchange we get actual women's wrestling that can get more mainstream fans interested because these sports entertainers actually get a chance to do their jobs and show people that, given the chance, they can be just as impressive and entertaining as the men
I didn't mean to say it would piss off the mainstream crowd. But Vince and the top brass clearly think it won't help either.
I want a Nexus-style run in on Roman Reigns and John Cena by the entire Women's Division that ends with them spray painting
in the ring and lighting it on fire before walking out
I saw this image and got excited because I thought it was a quidditch hoop.
"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde
I want a Nexus-style run in on Roman Reigns and John Cena by the entire Women's Division that ends with them spray painting
in the ring and lighting it on fire before walking out
I saw this image and got excited because I thought it was a quidditch hoop.
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When HHH & Steph take over for Vince, they can give him Kevin Dunn's job.
basically they should get as much time as the tag division which is an assumed long match per night with sometimes another shorter one, based on what I have noticed on raw since I've been watching. that's not counting the many 6 man tags over the last 2 or 3 years.
So it is probably time to stop assuming what Vince will "never" do because we clearly don't know, what we do know is that the outcry worked, at least in so far as getting WWE's attention on the issue, and it shouldn't just be dropped or let go if they do half-assed cosolations like a 5 minute minimum
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If Vince "caves" to a Twitter campaign in his mind that will give power to something only HE should have.
I am glad I have fallen down this insane, terrible, wonderful rabbit hole with you all
God if only....
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I was going to do 16 since we just watched 15. Then do 1 and 2. Might as well keep the close ones in the right order.
I love it. It needs to stay at the bottom of the screen the entire time he's out.
in the ring and lighting it on fire before walking out
I'm assuming this all comes from a twitter interaction they had a little while ago, where Nakamura just wanted Tharpe's jacket. It was truly amazing.
I mean
Just because he's aware of something doesn't mean he'll actually do something about it or perceive it as a problem (see: #CancelWWENetwork). Hell, last year they took the #HijackRaw movement and made it a storyline.
I have to assume Vince figures he can just outlast any disappointment in parts of his product, which, if I'm being totally honest, isn't a bad strategy on his part if he believes he's in the right. History has proven he can do that and get away with it because the majority of wrestling fans these days are lifers in one way or another, and his mentality of WWE being a variety show has him thinking that if you don't like one thing then there might be something else that will keep your attention.
It sucks and I hate it and it'll forever be a criticism of WWE but with the main roster shows having to cater to such a wide audience Vince really can just pretend to placate a small subsection whenever it feels slighted in some way while still going about his business.
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Sorry if I am coming across as really aggressive, I've talked about this with my friends a bunch and am very passionate about it
Not trying to be a dick or anything, I just want this thing I really like to be something I can enjoy without having this giant WELL EXCEPT THE WOMEN'S DIVISION IS A JOKE albatross hanging from it
Vince has never made money making the Internet happy.
Vince could just be saying empty platitudes and waiting for it to die out, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what he is doing
That's why I think people shouldn't let it go, keep reminding them that it aint acceptable anymore
Basically I never use my Twitter but will absolutely revive that dead account to tweet next week if there is another joke of a match and I will be very happy if #GiveDivasAChance starts trending again
You don't think he's made any money off of CM Punk or Daniel Bryan?
The Internet crowd is not the mainstream even if they have the loudest, most passionate voice.
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That's the thing. Nobody's trying to say they're reading his thoughts. It's just, the dude's acted a certain way for what, at least 3 straight decades now. At some point, what you expect out of him doesn't equal what is shown by absolutely every piece of evidence and everything every former worker has uttered about the man. He doesn't pander, he admits when he's wrong about a certain thing once and then if it happens again it's somebody else's fault, and he thinks it's a weakness to sneeze. That's Vince, and at some point you have to accept that.
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yeah, blank is kind of a tease
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I really don't see the downside of this at all
Raw is already a padded out poorly paced mess most of the time and Smackdown is a 2 hour recap of Raw
If they just cut 10 minutes out of the hour long intro or cut a Fandango match or whatever the heck they want to trim what do they lose? Nothing! Fans aren't going to be pissed that Roman Reigns talked slightly less or that HHH talked about being best for business for 20 minutes instead of 30, and in exchange we get actual women's wrestling that can get more mainstream fans interested because these sports entertainers actually get a chance to do their jobs and show people that, given the chance, they can be just as impressive and entertaining as the men
If Vince really thought that was the case Bryan would have won at Fastlane.
I didn't mean to say it would piss off the mainstream crowd. But Vince and the top brass clearly think it won't help either.
Just like how everyone is a gamer now, every wrestling fan is an Internet fan
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Internet fan? Sure. Internet wrestling fan? No.
Everyone is an Internet fan who keeps up with the product on their to some degree
I saw this image and got excited because I thought it was a quidditch hoop.
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I'm talking about the type of fan who watches New Japan or even NXT.
If Raw was super tightly paced and plotted I'd agree but it is a giant mess that regularly goes 60-80 minutes before a single match starts
There is room for, like, 3 proper women's matches on Raw before they would be actually cutting into worthwhile plot development or matches