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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    It does seem like "Mt Doom" was a placeholder until he figured out a cool elvish name but then accidentally sent the manuscript to the publisher before he changed it
    The phrase "crack of doom" is the modern English for the Old English term for Ragnarök, the great catastrophe of Norse mythology. The term became used for the Christian Day of Judgement, as by William Shakespeare in Macbeth (Act 4, scene 1, line 117). This appealed to Tolkien, who was a Professor of Old English.

    hence Orodruin -> Amon Amarth -> Mt Doom

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  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Of all the JRPGs i've played the only one that wasn't at least a bit confusing in terms of plot is Chrono Trigger

    but that's because Chrono Trigger is a transcendent game and exists...out of time

    :cool:

    Hm, I'd never really thought about it but Chrono Trigger is pretty remarkably straightforward and coherent, especially for a time travel jrpg wow that could have gone completely off the rails with genre modifiers like those.

    They made sure to "fix" that apparent happy accident with Chrono Cross. (which I still love)

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Of all the JRPGs i've played the only one that wasn't at least a bit confusing in terms of plot is Chrono Trigger

    but that's because Chrono Trigger is a transcendent game and exists...out of time

    :cool:

    it's a damning indictment of the hot mess that is JRPG's that the one that features time travel as a central part of the story is the one that is the most comprehensible.

    I don't think it's damning! It might not be for you, but it's not an indictment. If you go into JRPGs aware that some kooky plot shit is inevitably going to occur and enjoy it for what it is, then they are much more enjoyable

    JRPGs are a delicious turn-based combat vehicle with occasionally charming but usually thickheaded characters, unsubtle goofy romances, usually a joke or two about some healer's skimpy outfit, a world-ending villain, absurd stakes, talking animal merchants, plot holes, and whole butts of fun

    WHOLE butts

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Grape Ape wrote: »
    The [chat] collective consciousness is real

    he's gonna be so mad hahaha

  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    you fking nerds

    Please consider the environment before printing this post.
  • NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    Xenosaga

  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    all of you diving for that low hanging fruit like a bunch of starving hyenas

    Please consider the environment before printing this post.
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Google tells me "Mt. Doom" was the stupid dumb name that stupid dumb humans called it, while Amon Amarth was the elvish name, which sounds much more Tolkieny

  • STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    Me, on like 98% of JRPG stories

    https://youtu.be/2aegP8j5al0

  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    There are people who have made sense out of FF7, like The Completionist. I remember thinking at the time I saw his vid that it would've been a really cool story if both it and I had approached it with a bit more care. Of course I dunno how much of that was retroactively patching the story through Dirge of Cerberus or Crisis Core or Advent Children. But hey that's one of the other things they can do in this version.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Hah hah mornings can go fuck themselves in whatever orifice or method they choose because *caffiene blast* oh hello chat, how is your sex life?

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    I watched that Kingdom Hearts... thing.

    That was 100% incoherent.

    When I say this about say... Continental Phislophy u get mad tho

    Yes but you hate everything so I can be sure we're aligned here

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Hah hah mornings can go fuck themselves in whatever orifice or method they choose because *caffiene blast* oh hello chat, how is your sex life?

    Not as good as that of mornings, which are apparently fucking themselves in whatever orifice and method they choose

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Of all the JRPGs i've played the only one that wasn't at least a bit confusing in terms of plot is Chrono Trigger

    but that's because Chrono Trigger is a transcendent game and exists...out of time

    :cool:

    Hm, I'd never really thought about it but Chrono Trigger is pretty remarkably straightforward and coherent, especially for a time travel jrpg wow that could have gone completely off the rails with genre modifiers like those.

    They made sure to "fix" that apparent happy accident with Chrono Cross. (which I still love)

    Time travel is inherently confusing for stories which necessarily rely on causality to sell a narrative

    Chrono Trigger is probably one of the few time travel stories to get it correct by keeping the main plot simple, and selling the wonky time travel aspects through individual side stories (aside from Magus)

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  • Grape ApeGrape Ape Registered User regular
    Hah hah mornings can go fuck themselves in whatever orifice or method they choose because *caffiene blast* oh hello chat, how is your sex life?

    ROWDY AND REALLY MAKING A MESS OF THE WALLS

  • NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    There is a shitty metal band called Amon Amarth.

    Actually, I've never heard their music, but i can't imagine they would be good, i mean their name is fucking Mt Doom in elvish.

    Neco on
  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Hah hah mornings can go fuck themselves in whatever orifice or method they choose because *caffiene blast* oh hello chat, how is your sex life?

    Not as good as that of mornings, which are apparently fucking themselves in whatever orifice and method they choose

    The dream is still alive, Shivahn.

    Don't stop believin.

  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    tales of zestiria's plot was mostly straight forward although it had the annoying conceit of one character who had all the information you needed to know but wouldn't tell you

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Of all the JRPGs i've played the only one that wasn't at least a bit confusing in terms of plot is Chrono Trigger

    but that's because Chrono Trigger is a transcendent game and exists...out of time

    :cool:

    it's a damning indictment of the hot mess that is JRPG's that the one that features time travel as a central part of the story is the one that is the most comprehensible.

    The problem with JRPGs is often the random twists the story takes. In Chrono Trigger, there is a moment when your goal becomes clear, and everything else is in service to that. In other games, like FFVI, there are some twists following your goal, but it is always clear at the moment.

    Contrastingly, in games like the Tales series (which I love), the goal changes a trillion times. In Tales of Symphonia, you start out taking your friend on a journey, then you kill an angel, then you are betrayed, then you are sent to a new world knowing nothing, then you try to cure your now angel-friend, then some other stuff happens - I can't remember what - then you start fighting some bros, then it turns out a heroic figure isn't dead, then you go to space for a bit, then you fight the guy that betrayed you again, then you fight the hero who is also an angel.

    Your actual main goal changes, and you're always doing adjacent stuff that leads you towards it, but the main villain isn't revealed until later, and there are tons of distractions.

    Oh god. I'd forgotten about that game.
    And I only remember half of that stuff, and I think I blended it and Grandia 2 in my head... or maybe I haven't.
    Remembering which one is which after the fact is nearly as difficult as keeping what is going on straight in your head while playing it.

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    zepherin wrote: »
    HOLY SHIT!

    The Sr. PM just threw a shit fit and quit.

    Spongebobjawdrop.gif

    deets
    The cause of the meeting.
    I made a mistake that the Sr. PM and I fixed. The VP called us into a meeting, the VP asked about why extra product was lying around in relation to the mistake. I said I made a mistake we fixed it, here is the final impact (about 6.5k). I staged delivery of the fix to not confuse the field.

    The VP asked the SR. PM why he didn't go in after I had surveyed, with the production drawings and double check the measurements to avoid the fuck up, because he said he would. The SR. PM said he never said he did and if the VP insists that he did he was going to quit. With predictable results.

    The shit fit was him going to the HR lady yelling he quit, throwing the phone down to purchasing and saying he quit and storming out the door saying he would never come back.

    zepherin on
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Neco wrote: »
    There is a shitty metal band called Amon Amarth.

    Actually, I've nwver heard their music, but i can't imagine they would be good, i mean their bame is fucking Mt Doom in elvish.

    they're fkin great btw

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    So I'm back from a hospital visit because my shoulder slid out of socket again really bad and caused some ugly bruising and the docs gave me some fun time pills so I may or may not be out of my fucking mind for a bit.

  • NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    One of the biggest problems with FF7 besides the graphics is the incredibly awful english translation, which was one of the main reasons for the story not making sense. So a remake would be helpful in that regard.

  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    I've been getting the urge to play a jrpg again lately, it's been a while. I'll probably just play Overwatch over and over again like a directionless pile though.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • Grape ApeGrape Ape Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    There is a shitty metal band called Amon Amarth.

    Actually, I've nwver heard their music, but i can't imagine they would be good, i mean their bame is fucking Mt Doom in elvish.

    they're fkin great btw

    Metal is for sure the nerdiest genre. It is known

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    HOLY SHIT!

    The Sr. PM just threw a shit fit and quit.

    Spongebobjawdrop.gif

    deets
    The cause of the meeting.
    I made a mistake that the Sr. PM and I fixed. The VP called us into a meeting, the VP asked about why extra product was lying around in relation to the mistake. I said I made a mistake we fixed it, here is the final impact (about 6.5k). I staged delivery of the fix to not confuse the field.

    The VP asked the SR. PM why he didn't go in after I had surveyed, with the production drawings and double check the measurements to avoid the fuck up, because he said he would. The SR. PM said he never said he did and if the VP insists that he did he was going to quit. With predictable results.

    The shit fit was him going to the HR lady yelling he quit, throwing the phone down to purchasing and saying he quit and storming out the door saying he would never come back.

    Your VP is going to have to kiss some serious ass if this guy is good at his job.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    My nostalgia for FFX also lets me dismiss all the BS with Seymour and the whole plot twist with Sin and get weepy every single time at the tragic romance between Tidus and Yuna

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Tolkien named the mountain after a band? That's lame.

  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Of all the JRPGs i've played the only one that wasn't at least a bit confusing in terms of plot is Chrono Trigger

    but that's because Chrono Trigger is a transcendent game and exists...out of time

    :cool:

    it's a damning indictment of the hot mess that is JRPG's that the one that features time travel as a central part of the story is the one that is the most comprehensible.

    The problem with JRPGs is often the random twists the story takes. In Chrono Trigger, there is a moment when your goal becomes clear, and everything else is in service to that. In other games, like FFVI, there are some twists following your goal, but it is always clear at the moment.

    Contrastingly, in games like the Tales series (which I love), the goal changes a trillion times. In Tales of Symphonia, you start out taking your friend on a journey, then you kill an angel, then you are betrayed, then you are sent to a new world knowing nothing, then you try to cure your now angel-friend, then some other stuff happens - I can't remember what - then you start fighting some bros, then it turns out a heroic figure isn't dead, then you go to space for a bit, then you fight the guy that betrayed you again, then you fight the hero who is also an angel.

    Your actual main goal changes, and you're always doing adjacent stuff that leads you towards it, but the main villain isn't revealed until later, and there are tons of distractions.

    Oh god. I'd forgotten about that game.
    And I only remember half of that stuff, and I think I blended it and Grandia 2 in my head... or maybe I haven't.
    Remembering which one is which after the fact is nearly as difficult as keeping what is going on straight in your head while playing it.

    Look, the eternal king of the shit plot twist JRPG angle will be, now and forever, Star Ocean: Til the End of Time. "Whoops, you were an MMO the whole time!"

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Neco wrote: »
    One of the biggest problems with FF7 besides the graphics is the incredibly awful english translation, which was one of the main reasons for the story not making sense. So a remake would be helpful in that regard.

    Also, Barretts entire dialogue.

  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    I do not get people being hyped for a final fantasy 7 remake

    Like what is the point

    What if they change it so you can save Aeris

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Do Japanese games have plots?

    I thought each level was a separate anthology featuring the same cast, like American Horror Story

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    the windmill farm parts are my favorite

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    wandering wrote: »
    Meanwhile I think Miyazaki said nostalgia is the basis of all good art

    That seems like a bold statement.

    The first art ever made was a piece of shit, but by the time a third caveman finished "the hunt 2.6 HD remaster" people were starting to get on board with this whole representational drawing thing.

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Hah hah mornings can go fuck themselves in whatever orifice or method they choose because *caffiene blast* oh hello chat, how is your sex life?

    Not as good as that of mornings, which are apparently fucking themselves in whatever orifice and method they choose

    The dream is still alive, Shivahn.

    Don't stop believin.

    Th.. the sex dream?

  • AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    hi chat

    I no longer live near the best coffee shop

    this saddens me

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    i can't stop farting

    send help

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Good remakes as far as nostalgia goes are the ones where you play through them going "yes, this is how I remember it" and then go "MEIN EYES!" when you look at the original.

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