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    navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    Look I'm no cancer doctorist but I'm pretty sure Walt in an experimental/non-standard cancer treatment of a high-cost specialist means he probably won't have the time or energy to become a drug lord. Some of those treatment plans are physically exhausting.

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    a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I'm at 3.64, pretty stoked on it.

    2.875% here. Yay 15-year mortgage.

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    to be fair people in real life rarely have consistent characterization either

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    BSoB wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    BSoB wrote: »
    Man if you think breaking bad was about Walt not being able to pay for health insurance, I guess I could see why you wouldn't like it.

    nobody has said that

    even once

    or even close to it

    The comic pretty heavily implies that the show ends if Walt gets someone to pay for his health costs.

    Which explicitly happens in the show and then the show doesn't end? so.....

    only because the particular someone paying for it mattered, as you well know.

    The comic is saying, if walt had gone to the doctor, and the doctor had said "your insurance will cover this" there wouldn't be that much plot happening because that was the catalyst

    but


    the comic is making a joke not saying that the creator didn't like it

    Abdhyius on
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    navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    to be fair people in real life rarely have consistent characterization either

    But you are a pink cow 24/7.....right?

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    I would liken the 'not human reaction' thing to why I don't love Meet The Parents (as one example)... it can make me laugh but I can't comprehend the constant lying in these situations.

    but I don't feel it applies to breaking bad, which was a critically acclaimed and massively watched show for a reason imo. I thought it was pretty damn good.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    3.18% for five years in 2013

    Dunno whether being mid-Brexit will be good or bad for my refinance options next year.

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    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    I'm genuinely struggling to think of situations in Breaking Bad where a (main) character did something Just Because

    It feels to me as though they've all got genuine motivations to be doing the things they're doing, even if they're bad reasons?

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    yeah actually pony do you have a specific example

    (I don't care about spoilers at this point)

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    TV characters are often fundamentally bad at communicating like functioning adults in a way that is both infuriating and kind of gross.

    Like, it actually really bothers me how often that is used as the central point of conflict or drama in television, that these people can't fucking talk like grown ups. It would be fine on characters who are otherwise characterized as man-children or something but it's just portrayed as normal and it's like ugh

    No.

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    I want the seattle-area housing market to crash already

    pls

    lemme pick up a condo or something

    Agreed, but never gonna happen.

    it happened in 2008

    no lessons were learned

    it'll happen again, the question is just when

    idk about no lessons learned

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    BSoBBSoB Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    BSoB wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    BSoB wrote: »
    Man if you think breaking bad was about Walt not being able to pay for health insurance, I guess I could see why you wouldn't like it.

    nobody has said that

    even once

    or even close to it

    The comic pretty heavily implies that the show ends if Walt gets someone to pay for his health costs.

    Which explicitly happens in the show and then the show doesn't end? so.....

    only because the particular someone paying for it mattered, as you well know.

    The comic is saying, if walt had gone to the doctor, and the doctor had said "your insurance will cover this" there wouldn't be that much plot happening because that was the catalyst

    but


    the comic is making a joke not saying that the creator didn't like it
    But then Walt far and away earned enough money to pay for it then the show kept going

    The cancer was the impetus but not because of the money, because it informed him of his mortality and brought to surface how much he hated his life.

    BSoB on
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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    TV characters are often fundamentally bad at communicating like functioning adults in a way that is both infuriating and kind of gross.

    Like, it actually really bothers me how often that is used as the central point of conflict or drama in television, that these people can't fucking talk like grown ups. It would be fine on characters who are otherwise characterized as man-children or something but it's just portrayed as normal and it's like ugh

    No.

    it's so incredibly annoying

    stop making up a conflict without considering the characters

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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    haha that's rad

    RTJ just released a limited edition set of hoodies and bags handmade by El-P's mom

    @desc

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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    I want the seattle-area housing market to crash already

    pls

    lemme pick up a condo or something

    Agreed, but never gonna happen.

    it happened in 2008

    no lessons were learned

    it'll happen again, the question is just when

    I don't recall us getting hit anywhere near as bad as the rest of the country, because the local giants like MS, Amazon, etc kept right on going, and the success and expansion of the tech sector is a primary driver of the constant price climb. Any significant crash is going to come at the cost of a tech-sector crash a la 2001, and guys like you and I will be highly likely to find ourselves unemployed in that scenario.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    TV characters are often fundamentally bad at communicating like functioning adults in a way that is both infuriating and kind of gross.

    Like, it actually really bothers me how often that is used as the central point of conflict or drama in television, that these people can't fucking talk like grown ups. It would be fine on characters who are otherwise characterized as man-children or something but it's just portrayed as normal and it's like ugh

    No.

    i've kind of just stopped watching shows once the plot revolves around two or more people just not fucking saying "hey guy this is bothering me" or "hey i have super contagious zombie cancer, sure i'll be the head chef of this colony"

    so infuriatingly stupid

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    yeah actually pony do you have a specific example

    (I don't care about spoilers at this point)

    Off the top of my head, basically everything to do with Skylar, who essentially existed to be contrary and generate conflict regardless of whether or not it made internal sense for her to be opposed or upset by something.

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Houn wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    I want the seattle-area housing market to crash already

    pls

    lemme pick up a condo or something

    Agreed, but never gonna happen.

    it happened in 2008

    no lessons were learned

    it'll happen again, the question is just when

    I don't recall us getting hit anywhere near as bad as the rest of the country, because the local giants like MS, Amazon, etc kept right on going, and the success and expansion of the tech sector is a primary driver of the constant price climb. Any significant crash is going to come at the cost of a tech-sector crash a la 2001, and guys like you and I will be highly likely to find ourselves unemployed in that scenario.

    it still hit us pretty hard, we just recovered somewhat fast?

    Luckily I am not in the tech sector anymore, just IT. So unless the crash is from massively automating IT I'm not too worried.

    Aioua on
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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    TV characters are often fundamentally bad at communicating like functioning adults in a way that is both infuriating and kind of gross.

    Like, it actually really bothers me how often that is used as the central point of conflict or drama in television, that these people can't fucking talk like grown ups. It would be fine on characters who are otherwise characterized as man-children or something but it's just portrayed as normal and it's like ugh

    No.

    Have you ever considered that those characters are actually representative of the majority of the populace and that we are the abnormal ones?

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    What are your feelings on The Expanse?

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    BSoB wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    BSoB wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    BSoB wrote: »
    Man if you think breaking bad was about Walt not being able to pay for health insurance, I guess I could see why you wouldn't like it.

    nobody has said that

    even once

    or even close to it

    The comic pretty heavily implies that the show ends if Walt gets someone to pay for his health costs.

    Which explicitly happens in the show and then the show doesn't end? so.....

    only because the particular someone paying for it mattered, as you well know.

    The comic is saying, if walt had gone to the doctor, and the doctor had said "your insurance will cover this" there wouldn't be that much plot happening because that was the catalyst

    but


    the comic is making a joke not saying that the creator didn't like it
    But then Walt far and away earned enough money to pay for it then the show kept going

    The cancer was the impetus but not because of the money, because it informed him of his mortality and brought to surface how much he hated his life.
    I know. I've seen the show too. It's like everything interesting about it. And, like, why it's good. The simple premise "Man makes meth because he needs money" works, but this wasn't a movie, it's long, and "man becomes drug lord because he needs money" would very quickly fall apart.

    But the money was still the catalyst that brought meth into at all, at the start

    Because people don't go from 40 year crisis to meth without a damn pressing reason, without the need for money at the start, all the rest wouldn't happened. He'd... probably not deal with his dissatisfaction by becoming a drug lord :P

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    I want the seattle-area housing market to crash already

    pls

    lemme pick up a condo or something

    Agreed, but never gonna happen.

    it happened in 2008

    no lessons were learned

    it'll happen again, the question is just when

    I don't recall us getting hit anywhere near as bad as the rest of the country, because the local giants like MS, Amazon, etc kept right on going, and the success and expansion of the tech sector is a primary driver of the constant price climb. Any significant crash is going to come at the cost of a tech-sector crash a la 2001, and guys like you and I will be highly likely to find ourselves unemployed in that scenario.

    Seattle area had foreclosures, but we were no where near as bad as other areas of the country. We recovered faster, the big issue you have right now is inventory is really terrible in any place people want to live, and Sellers as usual have upped the fucking dickery on buyers requesting blood costs to even submit offers.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    I'm not super familiar with what's actually going on with the dwindling water supply grape refers to

    but I thought shower/tap water was on an essentially closed loop and using an extra gallon to shower doesn't really waste anything other than the resources to clean it and send it back through the system

    I randomly worked at the ariz water resources dept in college

    arizona is fucking itself hard because its water usage outstrips its water supply

    so in order to meet need, folks pump groundwater, which is just fine in limited cases

    but if you just drain that shit dry to feed your golf courses and whatnot, as az does, natural replenishment cannot keep up and the aquifers compact under their own weight which means they won't perform the filtering function they used to (a bad thing long term because now your groundwater is not a renewable resource) and it also has short term impacts like subsidence where you get giant holes in the ground or splits as the earth settles

    basically our desert lands are not structured to support all the people who live in them (az, nv, parts of calif)

    I'm sure other states have different water issues but those are the ones I know about @Sir Landshark

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    It's funny The Expanse is a sci-fi show but the way they portray their characters is quite human.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    oh man they should make alternate reality breaking bad where walt doesn't have cancer at all and instead of meth he just buys a leather jacket and a motorcycle and cheats on skyler with a cocktail waitress and has an incredibly mundane 40 year crisis

    just to make people go "why did you make this"

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    navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    Does Flash needing a pep-talk from someone different in each episode count as bad? It's pretty much in-character and his most predictable trait.

    I hate the constant need for pep-talks less than him forgetting how to use superspeed in combat on a weekly basis. His go-to battle plan is run in circles doing nothing while the team plays rock-paper-scissors to figure out who gets to remind Flash he is a hero and has a lot of superspeed combat tactics available to him.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    TV characters are often fundamentally bad at communicating like functioning adults in a way that is both infuriating and kind of gross.

    Like, it actually really bothers me how often that is used as the central point of conflict or drama in television, that these people can't fucking talk like grown ups. It would be fine on characters who are otherwise characterized as man-children or something but it's just portrayed as normal and it's like ugh

    No.

    i've kind of just stopped watching shows once the plot revolves around two or more people just not fucking saying "hey guy this is bothering me" or "hey i have super contagious zombie cancer, sure i'll be the head chef of this colony"

    so infuriatingly stupid

    Yeah CW shows while having a lot of good, also have like an instinctual need to have characters hide information to make the plot work.

    Only show I thought it kind of made sense with was Izombie and even then there were dumb moments of secrecy.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    I'm not super familiar with what's actually going on with the dwindling water supply grape refers to

    but I thought shower/tap water was on an essentially closed loop and using an extra gallon to shower doesn't really waste anything other than the resources to clean it and send it back through the system

    I randomly worked at the ariz water resources dept in college

    arizona is fucking itself hard because its water usage outstrips its water supply

    so in order to meet need, folks pump groundwater, which is just fine in limited cases

    but if you just drain that shit dry to feed your golf courses and whatnot, as az does, natural replenishment cannot keep up and the aquifers compact under their own weight which means they won't perform the filtering function they used to (a bad thing long term because now your groundwater is not a renewable resource) and it also has short term impacts like subsidence where you get giant holes in the ground or splits as the earth settles

    basically our desert lands are not structured to support all the people who live in them (az, nv, parts of calif)

    I'm sure other states have different water issues but those are the ones I know about @Sir Landshark

    that's p interesting!

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    HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    TV characters are often fundamentally bad at communicating like functioning adults in a way that is both infuriating and kind of gross.

    Like, it actually really bothers me how often that is used as the central point of conflict or drama in television, that these people can't fucking talk like grown ups. It would be fine on characters who are otherwise characterized as man-children or something but it's just portrayed as normal and it's like ugh

    No.

    Have you ever considered that those characters are actually representative of the majority of the populace and that we are the abnormal ones?

    Don't be silly, people have never done dumb shit for stupid reasons, except in the land of television.

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    Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    damn yo you guys watch that trailer for atomic blonde?

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    TV characters are often fundamentally bad at communicating like functioning adults in a way that is both infuriating and kind of gross.

    Like, it actually really bothers me how often that is used as the central point of conflict or drama in television, that these people can't fucking talk like grown ups. It would be fine on characters who are otherwise characterized as man-children or something but it's just portrayed as normal and it's like ugh

    No.

    i've kind of just stopped watching shows once the plot revolves around two or more people just not fucking saying "hey guy this is bothering me" or "hey i have super contagious zombie cancer, sure i'll be the head chef of this colony"

    so infuriatingly stupid

    Yeah CW shows while having a lot of good, also have like an instinctual need to have characters hide information to make the plot work.

    Only show I thought it kind of made sense with was Izombie and even then there were dumb moments of secrecy.

    yeah, i mean, not trusting society with your secret? makes sense

    not trusting your friend who already knows your secret with a new detail that probably wouldn't even matter to them? i guess we get four episodes of conflict out of it

    and i even liked izombie but fuck that was frustrating at times

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    I want the seattle-area housing market to crash already

    pls

    lemme pick up a condo or something

    Agreed, but never gonna happen.

    it happened in 2008

    no lessons were learned

    it'll happen again, the question is just when

    I don't recall us getting hit anywhere near as bad as the rest of the country, because the local giants like MS, Amazon, etc kept right on going, and the success and expansion of the tech sector is a primary driver of the constant price climb. Any significant crash is going to come at the cost of a tech-sector crash a la 2001, and guys like you and I will be highly likely to find ourselves unemployed in that scenario.

    it still hit us pretty hard, we just recovered somewhat fast?

    Luckily I am not in the tech sector anymore, just IT. So unless the crash is from massively automating IT I'm not too worried.

    We were not hit at all like other places. Like we had maybe a couple housing sub divisions get defaulted because builders over extended. California and Vegas had almost like entire towns go under.

    Trust me I work in the RE industry, it was lean in washington, but we never got hit like the rest of the US was.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    look I just want hope that I can escape from ever-increasing rent prices at some point

    let me have that hope

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Houn wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    TV characters are often fundamentally bad at communicating like functioning adults in a way that is both infuriating and kind of gross.

    Like, it actually really bothers me how often that is used as the central point of conflict or drama in television, that these people can't fucking talk like grown ups. It would be fine on characters who are otherwise characterized as man-children or something but it's just portrayed as normal and it's like ugh

    No.

    Have you ever considered that those characters are actually representative of the majority of the populace and that we are the abnormal ones?

    Don't be silly, people have never done dumb shit for stupid reasons, except in the land of television.

    it's not that i don't think people act like that

    it's that i think people who act like that are insufferable

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    I still find it weird how nearly all of breaking bad takes place over the course of a year

    So much happens that it feels like it should be longer

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    oh man they should make alternate reality breaking bad where walt doesn't have cancer at all and instead of meth he just buys a leather jacket and a motorcycle and cheats on skyler with a cocktail waitress and has an incredibly mundane 40 year crisis

    just to make people go "why did you make this"

    Breaking Breaking Bad

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    damn yo you guys watch that trailer for atomic blonde?

    Looks fucking incredible.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Breaking Bad is so oppressive

    everyone in the show is horrible and I didn't want any of them to succeed so I stopped watching

    Hot take: I think Breaking Bad actually sucks and is overhyped

    This isn't me being a contrarian, this is I didn't watch the show when it was the hot shit on TV, I watched it after it was finished on Netflix, and I think watching it all in one go like that exposed it's flaws big time.

    It was remarkable for people who were not used to seeing this kind of thing from network television, I guess? Like if the bar is low, it skips over it.

    But the characterization is all over the fucking place. The people in it are unpleasant crazy people whose motivations make no fucking sense. Nobody behaves like humans.

    Do not like.

    You haven't met many people outside of your social circle, I take it.

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Going back and forth between Zork I and Zelda Breath of the Wild is interesting. They were made like 40 years apart but feel fairly similar. They're both sprawling non-linear plot-lite fantasy adventures. They're both about slashing up monsters and solving puzzles and collecting treasure. They both have mute cypher protagonists that start out empty handed but quickly acquire weapons. They have RPG-ish non-RPG gameplay. They have a game map that you can more-or-less freely wander about in without much handholding. They both have retro-futuristic settings that echo the past but have interesting modern touches. They're both about the joy of discovering new places and new things. Etc.

    The more things change the more they stay the same I guess.

    wandering on
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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    look I just want hope that I can escape from ever-increasing rent prices at some point

    let me have that hope

    Sorry, no hope here.

    Gonna have to move into Trumplands if you want cheap housing.

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