I've owned 3 Zotac (980, 980 Ti articstorm model, then a 1080 Ti FE now) and they have all been great overclockers and have ran with no issues. They do constantly make the best OCing cards (minus the Kingpins) out there.
You should have no issue with them, Palit on the other hand I have no personal experience with and can't recommend either way.
" I am a warrior, so that my son may be a merchant, so that his son may be a poet.”
― John Quincy Adams
So current WIP config is:
Fractal Design R5 black
i7 7700k
ASRock Z270 Pro4
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-3000
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB
inno3d iChill 1070 X4
Corsair Vengeance 500 500W
plus another drive for the majority of the games, maybe a Seagate SkyHawk 3TB - even though that hasn't got 7200rpm (5900 instead). I'd have to read up on how much of a difference that would make. For media storage I wouldn't mind, but games...hrm
My reasoning to look at HDDs like the Skyhawk is that they're designed to basically run all day, i.e. longer lifespan, because when I'm home, the machine is on, so that is something I think about. I'm open to suggestions if that sounds crazy though!
Alright, new list with changes. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BMmxPs
Videocard price seems crazy to me, though I usually buy them like out of value bin or something.
Would appreciate more critiques/advice.
I should point out that this will be a purchase about 2 months from now or so. If there are sales on I can watch for dips in prices and stuff.
This is very similar to the PC build I am currently running, and I am very happy with it. The CPU cooler is fine but if you want more than a mild overclock you may wish to buy something a little more robust.
What resolution/framerate are you looking for? The 1070 will handle 1440p at 60fps and max settings, or 1080p @ 144fps.
Not real sure on that area. I have two old ass monitors now, and the plan is to get dual monitors that are worth a damn down the road (like 6 months from now). Because I'm not doing bleeding edge gaming I don't really know whats going on in that realm. I was mulling over dropping to a 1060 6GB to get the build a bit cheaper as it is a bit more expensive than I'd like. No big deal as either I purchase it 3 months from now or purchase things in smaller chunks. Also having to buy Windows.
Another thing to keep in mind if you're waiting 3 months is that the next round of Ryzen AMD CPUs will be out and will be directly competing against the i5 chips. It may be worth seeing how they shake out. Even if they aren't quite as good the competition may force Intel to cut prices, and they will likely be better for things like video editing and stuff like that. Since CPUs aren't a bottleneck in gaming nowadays, Ryzen may still be the best choice.
Alright, new list with changes. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BMmxPs
Videocard price seems crazy to me, though I usually buy them like out of value bin or something.
Would appreciate more critiques/advice.
I should point out that this will be a purchase about 2 months from now or so. If there are sales on I can watch for dips in prices and stuff.
This is very similar to the PC build I am currently running, and I am very happy with it. The CPU cooler is fine but if you want more than a mild overclock you may wish to buy something a little more robust.
What resolution/framerate are you looking for? The 1070 will handle 1440p at 60fps and max settings, or 1080p @ 144fps.
Not real sure on that area. I have two old ass monitors now, and the plan is to get dual monitors that are worth a damn down the road (like 6 months from now). Because I'm not doing bleeding edge gaming I don't really know whats going on in that realm. I was mulling over dropping to a 1060 6GB to get the build a bit cheaper as it is a bit more expensive than I'd like. No big deal as either I purchase it 3 months from now or purchase things in smaller chunks. Also having to buy Windows.
I should add that the budget is not a hard limit, and I'm actually fairly flexible with time frame so if commonly there is a better time to buy before end of summer I can push all the things back.
So given the OC of my EVGA, the numbers I was seeing floating around basically hold up. At 1080p we're looking at around an 80% increase, and frankly I think I'm CPU bound there. At 1440p (where I do most of my gaming) we're seeing around 68% and at 4k it's around 67%. These line up well with the numbers I've been seeing around the internet in terms of how much faster the 1080 Ti is over the 980 Ti. The small discrepancy I'm seeing can be explained by the factory OC of my 980 Ti.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
I really want an excuse to upgrade my CPU (I have an i7-4790k), but then I look at the benchmarks for the 7700k and it's like a wet fart. Barely 15% faster than my CPU, just not worth the total cost of platform upgrade. I really hope this time next year AMD has put enough pressure on Intel that we get a round of CPU's (from either side) that is worth the cost to upgrade for me.
Mmm something just showed up at my door step, but my pup was protecting it and didn't want me to open it up
@Bloodycow I would love to hear your experience with that zotac card. They are far and away the cheapest brand I have seen which makes me skeptical but if they are good then that's awesome.
They are a good brand! Not as popular as Asus/EVGA/Gigabyte, but hell they were the first company to ship a GPU with a factory overclock. All the ones I have owned were crazy good overclockers (one was better then my 1000$ 980ti Kingpin card).
But with every company there are just cards that don't get caught during QC and someone will make a big stink on the internet. I had a shit Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce 980ti that wouldn't even do stock clocks without tossing artifacts (ended up getting my money back and bought my Kingpins).
Also, every card manufacture has to meet Nvidia specs, anything but the highest end card is going to be near identical.
" I am a warrior, so that my son may be a merchant, so that his son may be a poet.”
― John Quincy Adams
At this point, the one thing standing between me and ordering all the remaining bits of computer is the fact that everyone is currently out of the motherboard I want. Looking at the Fry's website, it looks like they're expecting new stock March 28, so I'm assuming that will be true for the other vendors.
I really want an excuse to upgrade my CPU (I have an i7-4790k), but then I look at the benchmarks for the 7700k and it's like a wet fart. Barely 15% faster than my CPU, just not worth the total cost of platform upgrade. I really hope this time next year AMD has put enough pressure on Intel that we get a round of CPU's (from either side) that is worth the cost to upgrade for me.
So if I'm looking to buy an i7, and my goal is to buy one between now and let's say June, is there any advantage to saving a few bucks and going with the 6600k instead of the 7700k? Or is the issue just that the improvements between them aren't significant enough to buy a new one when you already own the old one?
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I don't think you'll be able to save much money going for a Skylake chip instead of Kaby Lake
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Yeah, I don't think you're going to save much, since you can get the 7700K on sale for 325'ish.
My issue is that the performance gap between a 7700K and a 4790K (which I have now) is not enough to justify buying a new CPU, motherboard and 32GB of DDR4 RAM. Even taking in to account the bump from DDR3 to 4, it just doesn't make up the performance to cost gap.
Yeah, I don't think you're going to save much, since you can get the 7700K on sale for 325'ish.
My issue is that the performance gap between a 7700K and a 4790K (which I have now) is not enough to justify buying a new CPU, motherboard and 32GB of DDR4 RAM. Even taking in to account the bump from DDR3 to 4, it just doesn't make up the performance to cost gap.
yea, there's no reason at all to upgrade CPU's unless you're on a 2xxx series. it's only been within the last 6 months that we're seeing those processors becoming bottlenecks in operations. And really, even on processors that old you're likely to see more day to day improvements on the new things in the chipsets on modern devices, not that much of a significant speed increase. Gone are the days of CPU performance improving by like 50% every year.
I'm on a 4790k and I literally can't see anything I'd want to upgrade for. This is of course my personal opintion, but I think upgrading a CPU/motherboard just because is pretty much a waste of money these days.
Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
Agreed. I was tossing up a move to Z270 and 7700k, from 4770k, but it's just pointless. I'd get more actual performance increase from replacing my year-old 980Ti with a 1080Ti, for the same money.
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Yeah that I guessed. I'm still umming and erring about going tower over mini PC vs full blown tower.
I get the impression a tower is easier to upgrade in the future?
There's always that Mid Tower... :hydra:
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Yeah that I guessed. I'm still umming and erring about going tower over mini PC vs full blown tower.
I get the impression a tower is easier to upgrade in the future?
I mean, that's basically it. Like anything else, making something smaller nearly always requires making it worse in almost every other way. Mini PCs restrict your component choice, they require more allowance for heat, they require far better knowledge of cable management and component installation, and they are, as you say, harder to upgrade, because of the restricted component choice. They usually also sacrifice performance overall, it's rare you can fit a full size GPU into one.
If you have the space and portability is not a concern, a tower is straight up better.
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Yeah that I guessed. I'm still umming and erring about going tower over mini PC vs full blown tower.
I get the impression a tower is easier to upgrade in the future?
I mean, that's basically it. Like anything else, making something smaller nearly always requires making it worse in almost every other way. Mini PCs restrict your component choice, they require more allowance for heat, they require far better knowledge of cable management and component installation, and they are, as you say, harder to upgrade, because of the restricted component choice. They usually also sacrifice performance overall, it's rare you can fit a full size GPU into one.
If you have the space and portability is not a concern, a tower is straight up better.
Space is a factor now but I'm considering dropping £££££ on a PC that will last me 5 years plus (I can handle performance degradation over that kind of time span), so I know space won't be an issue in the future.
Mid and full tower cases offer more room for building and cable management amongst a few other build specific things. Minis require you to be very specific in your build philosophy and don't offer much in the ability to expand without swapping.
Mid and full tower cases offer more room for building and cable management amongst a few other build specific things. Minis require you to be very specific in your build philosophy and don't offer much in the ability to expand without swapping.
Yeah, and unless you're carrying the thing to LAN parties all of the time, you really don't get any benefit.
Mid and full tower cases offer more room for building and cable management amongst a few other build specific things. Minis require you to be very specific in your build philosophy and don't offer much in the ability to expand without swapping.
Yeah, and unless you're carrying the thing to LAN parties all of the time, you really don't get any benefit.
Mainly, they excel in situations where space is at a premium, which is why they're popular for HTPC builds.
* Case and water cooler coming in today,
* Power supply and SSD coming in tomorrow,
* Motherboard is apparently on a literal slow boat from China
* Video card should be in next week
* On the "to order" list: processor, thermal compound, HDD for mass storage, RAM, OS.
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You should have no issue with them, Palit on the other hand I have no personal experience with and can't recommend either way.
― John Quincy Adams
Fractal Design R5 black
i7 7700k
ASRock Z270 Pro4
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-3000
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB
inno3d iChill 1070 X4
Corsair Vengeance 500 500W
plus another drive for the majority of the games, maybe a Seagate SkyHawk 3TB - even though that hasn't got 7200rpm (5900 instead). I'd have to read up on how much of a difference that would make. For media storage I wouldn't mind, but games...hrm
My reasoning to look at HDDs like the Skyhawk is that they're designed to basically run all day, i.e. longer lifespan, because when I'm home, the machine is on, so that is something I think about. I'm open to suggestions if that sounds crazy though!
Another thing to keep in mind if you're waiting 3 months is that the next round of Ryzen AMD CPUs will be out and will be directly competing against the i5 chips. It may be worth seeing how they shake out. Even if they aren't quite as good the competition may force Intel to cut prices, and they will likely be better for things like video editing and stuff like that. Since CPUs aren't a bottleneck in gaming nowadays, Ryzen may still be the best choice.
I should add that the budget is not a hard limit, and I'm actually fairly flexible with time frame so if commonly there is a better time to buy before end of summer I can push all the things back.
My wife was across the living room and she just gave me the 'wtf is that' look.
It really does sound like a vacuum over 70% fan speed.
― John Quincy Adams
980 Ti
EVGA Classified, ~8% factory OC
14,941
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11977285
8,203
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11976703
4,398
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11977050
5,548
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1364676
1080 Ti
Gigabyte Founder's Edition, no OC
18,889
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12007373
12,085
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12007431
6,662
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12007559
8,134
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1381426
So given the OC of my EVGA, the numbers I was seeing floating around basically hold up. At 1080p we're looking at around an 80% increase, and frankly I think I'm CPU bound there. At 1440p (where I do most of my gaming) we're seeing around 68% and at 4k it's around 67%. These line up well with the numbers I've been seeing around the internet in terms of how much faster the 1080 Ti is over the 980 Ti. The small discrepancy I'm seeing can be explained by the factory OC of my 980 Ti.
@Bloodycow I would love to hear your experience with that zotac card. They are far and away the cheapest brand I have seen which makes me skeptical but if they are good then that's awesome.
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But with every company there are just cards that don't get caught during QC and someone will make a big stink on the internet. I had a shit Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce 980ti that wouldn't even do stock clocks without tossing artifacts (ended up getting my money back and bought my Kingpins).
Also, every card manufacture has to meet Nvidia specs, anything but the highest end card is going to be near identical.
― John Quincy Adams
At this point, the one thing standing between me and ordering all the remaining bits of computer is the fact that everyone is currently out of the motherboard I want. Looking at the Fry's website, it looks like they're expecting new stock March 28, so I'm assuming that will be true for the other vendors.
― John Quincy Adams
The ASUS Crosshair VI Hero, which is the board AMD used in their press kits.
So if I'm looking to buy an i7, and my goal is to buy one between now and let's say June, is there any advantage to saving a few bucks and going with the 6600k instead of the 7700k? Or is the issue just that the improvements between them aren't significant enough to buy a new one when you already own the old one?
My issue is that the performance gap between a 7700K and a 4790K (which I have now) is not enough to justify buying a new CPU, motherboard and 32GB of DDR4 RAM. Even taking in to account the bump from DDR3 to 4, it just doesn't make up the performance to cost gap.
I have my eyes set on a 1080 ti when the EVGA one comes out and would like a 4k HDR monitor with g-sync to pair with it.
Edit: What I mean to say is, why can't I have HDR 4k nooooowww? Haha.
Sounds like you're looking for the Asus PG27UQ which is pending a price and a release date...
yea, there's no reason at all to upgrade CPU's unless you're on a 2xxx series. it's only been within the last 6 months that we're seeing those processors becoming bottlenecks in operations. And really, even on processors that old you're likely to see more day to day improvements on the new things in the chipsets on modern devices, not that much of a significant speed increase. Gone are the days of CPU performance improving by like 50% every year.
I'm on a 4790k and I literally can't see anything I'd want to upgrade for. This is of course my personal opintion, but I think upgrading a CPU/motherboard just because is pretty much a waste of money these days.
That sounds amazing but my god is that thing fucking gaudy as shit.
I think you can turn stand's light off, which should help some...but yeah.
Should be real nice once it releases though!
What's the advantage of a mini pc over a tower?
Being smaller.
I get the impression a tower is easier to upgrade in the future?
There's always that Mid Tower... :hydra:
I mean, that's basically it. Like anything else, making something smaller nearly always requires making it worse in almost every other way. Mini PCs restrict your component choice, they require more allowance for heat, they require far better knowledge of cable management and component installation, and they are, as you say, harder to upgrade, because of the restricted component choice. They usually also sacrifice performance overall, it's rare you can fit a full size GPU into one.
If you have the space and portability is not a concern, a tower is straight up better.
I love the specs. I'll probably get something similar to it once I upgrade my video card on the next round of Nvidia chips.
Space is a factor now but I'm considering dropping £££££ on a PC that will last me 5 years plus (I can handle performance degradation over that kind of time span), so I know space won't be an issue in the future.
The case I'm eying up is:
461 x 198 x 479mm
(Approx H x W x D)
Does that count as mid tower?
Thanks, build thread!
Yeah, and unless you're carrying the thing to LAN parties all of the time, you really don't get any benefit.
Mainly, they excel in situations where space is at a premium, which is why they're popular for HTPC builds.
* Case and water cooler coming in today,
* Power supply and SSD coming in tomorrow,
* Motherboard is apparently on a literal slow boat from China
* Video card should be in next week
* On the "to order" list: processor, thermal compound, HDD for mass storage, RAM, OS.
(sigh) The anticipation is palpable.