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Cut Party Subsidies? We cut you real bad maan. Canadian Politics within.

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edited December 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/08/29/election-october.html

Also it should be noted that we have a Prime Minister, not a President. Oh Obama!

Too long? Did not read?
"Harper is set to trigger an election call for Oct 14th"

To my knowledge, Harper wants to get rid of this silly Minority Government and show Canada what he can do as his party will sweep everyone else away, turning Canada into a FEAROCRACY RUN WITH TERROR BY THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA!

THE MAJOR CONTENDERS ( All Information shamelessly stolen from the Internet, mostly Wikipedia)

The Major Contenders are the ones that actually own seats in the House of Commons; all other parties have absolutely no say in Canadian politics on the Federal level. Or something.

The Conservative Party of Canada
( Formerly Progressive Conservative Party of Canada)
Formed in 2003 when The Canadian Alliance (Redneck Farmer Westies, formerly the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance) joined up with the Progressive Conservatives. Kind of Centre Right on Economic issues, kind of center with Social issues.

The new Conservative Party is an amalgam of two contrasting views about conservatism in Canada. Historically, the Progressive Conservatives touted traditional Red Tory ideals like state funded social programs, rejected closer ties with the United States and attempted to model Canada after centuries-old British institutions. Western Canadian conservatism, embodied in the Canadian Alliance party, was more inspired by U.S.-based conservatism; it espoused closer ties with the United States, Blue Tory conservatism, privatization, smaller government as well as reform and overhaul of political institutions (on the American/Australian model) and a decentralized federalism (a limited government in Ottawa with stronger provinces, as also advocated by Brian Mulroney). The new party generally supports a market economy approach to the economic sphere. The Conservative Party also provides a home for a multitude of other conservatives, such as libertarian conservatives, environmental conservatives, Canadian republicans, monarchists, and many others.

Since most of the MPs for the new party as well as the grassroots supporters come from the western provinces, its policy has significant influence from Reform Party of Canada(Who then turned into the Alliance)

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Liberals
The only party cool enough to keep the same name for over 100 years, the Liberals have pretty much dominated the last 20 years of Canadian Politics. I guess they could be considered the "leftist" party in Canada, although sometimes I can't tell where the Liberals start and the Progressive Alliance for Conservatives in Canada begin.
“
The Liberal Party of Canada (French: Parti libéral du Canada), colloquially known as the Grits (originally "Clear Grits"), is a major Canadian political party. The organization is located in the centre of the Canadian political spectrum, combining a liberal social policy with moderate economic policies. Starting with Wilfrid Laurier in 1896 every non-interim leader of the party (excepting current leader Stéphane Dion) has served as Prime Minister of Canada. The party has formed the Official Opposition in the Parliament of Canada since February 2006. “

Also the most famous Canadian politician was from this party.

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Currently being led by this guy.

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(The guy receiving the sacred Canadian Beverage)

Bloc Quebecquois

"The Bloc Québécois (BQ) is a federal political party in Canada that defines itself as devoted to the promotion of sovereignty for Quebec. As such, it contests elections only in constituencies in Quebec. It holds as its goal the "defence of the interests of all Québécois in Ottawa"[citation needed] (notably by promoting, in the federal parliament, the consensus of the National Assembly of Quebec). This is complicated when the federalist Quebec Liberals form the government in Quebec."

I mean cmon? Their major political ideal is for Quebec to separate from Canada, and two referendums have already been voted on this issue, both obviously unsuccessful. They are the only Major Political Player in the Western world that is actively trying to get a portion of the landmass to separate from the rest of the country. In 1995 they held a Referendum to see if the people of Quebec wanted to separate from Canada (It wasn’t a real separation, more like we get to keep all the perks also fuck you guys) ( more info here at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1995 ) Basically, 50.58% "No" to 49.42% "Yes". Was a close call for Quebec, PQ blamed immigrants and non French speaking Qubecers.

NDP: New Democratic Party


“The NDP has policies that include..
• sweeping environmental protection [1]
• national water safety standards
• not reducing corporate taxes[2]
• reducing poverty in Canada[3]
• human rights protection
• expanded high-quality public transportation
• affordable and accessible high-quality post-secondary education
• public health care including expanded dental and prescription drug coverage,
• progressive taxation reform
• social assistance policies that reflects citizens' needs and assists their re-entry to the work force
• gender equality and equal rights for gays, lesbians, and minorities
• electoral reform that abolishes the current un-elected Senate and ensures more proportional representation [4]
• workers' rights including raising the minimum wage to at least keep up with the cost of living
• Aboriginal treaty, land, and constitutional rights
• balanced budgets [5]
• a foreign policy that emphasizes diplomacy, peacekeeping and humanitarian aid instead of offensive military action
• renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) “

Basically the Left Wing Socialists of the bunch, they have never controlled Parliament, but due to the nature of Canadian politics, they have been able to have some influence in minority governments. Its first leader was Tommy Douglas, the founder of UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE IN CANADA WOOO
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Green Party! http://www.greenparty.ca/
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Sex, drugs, rock and roll, weed, speed birth control.. minus the rock and roll.

After getting an independent to turn over a new leaf (HOHOHOHO I AM SO FUNNY), the Green party was able to secure a place in the national debates.
Shamelessly stolen from wikipedia.
"The GPC had originally adopted a form of the Ten Key Values originally authored by the United States Green Party.

The August 2002 Convention adopted the Six Principles of the Charter of the Global Greens, as stated by the Global Greens Conference held in Canberra, Australia in 2001. These principles are the only ones included in the GPC constitution.

An emphasis on a green tax shift in the 2004 platform, which favoured partially reducing income and corporate taxes (while increasing taxes on polluters and energy consumers), created questions as to whether the Green Party was still on the left of the political spectrum, or was taking a more eco-capitalist approach by reducing progressive taxation in favour of regressive taxation. Green Party policy writers have challenged this interpretation by claiming that any unintended "regressive" tax consequences from the application of a Green Tax Shift would be intentionally offset by changes in individual tax rates and categories as well as an 'eco-tax" refund for those who pay no tax.

The Green Party of Canada platform does promote some policies usually associated with the left. It calls for an end to homelessness via subsidized housing, promotes a guaranteed livable income, and opposes private sector involvement in public health, education and prison services.

As early as 2000, the party had published platform comparisons indicating the reasons why supporters of any of the five other Canadian federal political parties should consider voting Green. The Greens have always had right-wing, leftist and centrist factions that have been ascendant at different times in the party's history. Many Greens also claim that this traditional left-right political spectrum analysis does not accurately capture the pragmatic ecological orientation of an evolving Green Party.[13]

The ecumenical approach (expressing affinities with all Canadian political tendencies and making cases to voters on all parts of the left-right spectrum) has been advocated by those who believe their success can be measured by the degree to which other parties adopt Green Party policies. It has however not been discerned the degree to which this process has contributed to phenomena like the Liberal Party of Canada adopting several key items which also appear in the Green program, such as accelerated Capital Cost Allowance deductions restricted to sustainable technology only, and the adoption of the ecological and social indicators and green procurement rules Greens have long advocated. Neither have the relative degrees of influence been discerned which non-partisan environmental groups and the party's own Green wing have in developing the policies of the Green Party.

Under Elizabeth May's leadership, the Green Party has begun to receive more mainstream media attention on other party policy not directly related to the environment - for example, supporting labour rights[14] and poppy legalization in Afghanistan.[15]"
Other Political Parties Include:
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_parties_in_Canada )

• Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - environmentalist, animal liberationist
• Canadian Action Party (founded in 1997) - Progressive, Canadian Nationalist
• Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded in 1987) - Social conservative
• Communist Party of Canada (founded in 1921) - Communist
• Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (founded in 1970) - Communist/Marxist-Leninist influenced by Maoism and the ideas of Enver Hoxha
• First Peoples National Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - Aboriginal rights advocacy
• Green Party of Canada (founded in 1983) - Green
• Libertarian Party of Canada (founded in 1975) - Libertarian
• Marijuana Party of Canada (founded in 2000) - pro-marijuana legalization
• Neorhino.ca (founded in 2007) - Joke party.
• Newfoundland and Labrador First Party (founded in 2007) - Newfoundland and Labrador advocation
• People's Political Power of Canada (founded in 2006)- Social Conservative, Populist
• Progressive Canadian Party (founded in 2004) - progressive conservative, Red Tory
• Western Block Party (founded 2005) - western separatist and ultraconservative
• Work Less Party (founded in 2007) - Labour rights


Why should you give a shit?

You, Americans, literally buy like half of all our shit.

Also, we have an oil deposit that makes us the holder of the Second Largest Oil Deposit in the WORLD

Fellow Canadians, how will you vote this year?

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous WALK 3X FASTER New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Am I the only one who remembers when the Conservative party was called the Conservative Reform Alliance Party?



    Best.

    Acronym.

    Ever.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Am I the only one who remembers when the Conservative party was called the Conservative Reform Alliance Party?



    Best.

    Acronym.

    Ever.

    The Conservatives have gone through so many names in the last 10 years, at least one of them had to be good.

  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm bored of this already.

    I guess Harper is trying this shit now because he guesses he has nothing to lose. The economy is predicted go south in the next few years, so if they wait then the Libs will have something to run on. And the Libs have a piss-poor leader right now. So I guess the idea is that even in a worse case scenario, the conservatives end up where they are now, a minority. Which is my prediction: nothing changing.

    I'll vote green as always. Maybe they'll get a seat this time around.

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  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'll be voting Green. Mostly because I'm a member of the party, but also because I think Elizabeth May is the best leader out there right now.

    I really hope they let her on the debates this time.

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User
    edited August 2008
    so uh i'm not well versed on canadian politics but why is there a green party and the ndp

    don't they pretty much hold the same positions on issues?

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  • an_altan_alt Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The Conservatives want to have the election now to not only avoid the tanking economy of our largest trading partner, but also the Liberal "Green Shift" will probably be the easiest platform to run against in the foreseeable future. People generally aren't too keen on paying a new tax that will effect the price of virtually everything.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Zephyr wrote: »
    so uh i'm not well versed on canadian politics but why is there a green party and the ndp

    don't they pretty much hold the same positions on issues?

    Environmental issues, yes.
    Basically the Green Party is concerned with Ecological Issues, and their platform on the website reflects that.

    To the green party people, why should I vote green? It seems like the quiant Leftish thing to do.

    I will be voting for NDP, because I want my vote to have SOME effect, especially with the rape of Alberta that is currently going on.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    It holds as its goal the "defence of the interests of all Québécois in Ottawa"[citation needed]
    Only in Wikipedia would someone ask for a citation to back up this statement :lol:

    EDIT:
    Wait wait wait wait wait
    Their major political ideal is for Quebec to separate from Canada, they lost two referendums on the issue.
    Technically, the BQ lost only one referendum on the issue. The party didn't exist in 1980, at the time of the first referendum.
    Was a close call for Quebec, BQ blamed immigrants and non French speaking Qubecers.
    That wasn't the BQ, that was Jacques Parizeau, the leader of the provincial Parti Québécois.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, you have the second largest oil supplies in the world, but a big part of it is oil sands, which would essentially doom the world.
    As a democrat in the US, I would probably vote Liberal. The NDP matches up with my views pretty well except for the whole renegotiating NAFTA thing. Every country seems to think that that was a raw deal for them, but if we're assuming that trade is a zero sum game (which it's not) then someone had to win other than Mexico, right?
    (Because they didn't really win that much, because otherwise they'd stop trying to immigrate into the US.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, you have the second largest oil supplies in the world, but a big part of it is oil sands, which would essentially doom the world.
    O_o We've been exploiting them for years. So far, the world remains decidedly un-doomed.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Richy wrote: »
    It holds as its goal the "defence of the interests of all Québécois in Ottawa"[citation needed]
    Only in Wikipedia would someone ask for a citation to back up this statement :lol:

    EDIT:
    Wait wait wait wait wait
    Their major political ideal is for Quebec to separate from Canada, they lost two referendums on the issue.
    Technically, the BQ lost only one referendum on the issue. The party didn't exist in 1980, at the time of the first referendum.
    Was a close call for Quebec, BQ blamed immigrants and non French speaking Qubecers.
    That wasn't the BQ, that was Jacques Parizeau, the leader of the provincial Parti Québécois.

    BQ PQ, they are so tightly linked does it really matter? Stop giving the Frenchies attention they love that. I should have made it more clear, I meant that the Separatists lost two referendums.

  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, you have the second largest oil supplies in the world, but a big part of it is oil sands, which would essentially doom the world.
    As a democrat in the US, I would probably vote Liberal. The NDP matches up with my views pretty well except for the whole renegotiating NAFTA thing. Every country seems to think that that was a raw deal for them, but if we're assuming that trade is a zero sum game (which it's not) then someone had to win other than Mexico, right?
    (Because they didn't really win that much, because otherwise they'd stop trying to immigrate into the US.

    Wat

  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    My dad publicly supports and finances the NDP but secretly votes Liberal.

    “Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears.”
    ― Marcus Aurelius
  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, you have the second largest oil supplies in the world, but a big part of it is oil sands, which would essentially doom the world.
    As a democrat in the US, I would probably vote Liberal. The NDP matches up with my views pretty well except for the whole renegotiating NAFTA thing. Every country seems to think that that was a raw deal for them, but if we're assuming that trade is a zero sum game (which it's not) then someone had to win other than Mexico, right?
    (Because they didn't really win that much, because otherwise they'd stop trying to immigrate into the US.

    Wat

    Okay, you've been exploiting them for years.
    But I was under the impression that much of the untouched reserves would produce far more greenhouse gasses than regular oil.
    I admit that that is an important step between "Oil sands" and "We're doomed", but I still think that if Canada went all out on oil production and exploration then the green house gas emissions would show use whether greenhouse gases do indeed make the world warmer.
    As far as my position, I don't really matter as an American but I would probably vote Liberal.

  • El SkidEl Skid The frozen white northRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    My personal views are definitely most in line with the Green party, and I hope they get a whole whack of seats.

    Unfortunately, I might just vote liberal because the Conservative/PC/Reform/Alliance/Harper party can't be allowed a majority.... And the Greens never seem to get seats even when the Conservatives are doing their "The environment? It's fine. No such thing as Global Warming" routine.

    This has been my voting dilemma for the past 10+ years :-/

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  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I used to live in Ottawa-South so it was a given that a McGuinty was going to win every election there. Then I moved to a different part of Ottawa and now I'm in John Baird's riding.

    John. Baird.

    I don't like Stephen Harper's policies but I can respect him as a person. John Baird, on the other hand, has no soul. The propaganda that gets left in my mailbox by him is sickening. I live in an area with a lot of seniors and all of the leaflets (I get one at least every other day) are fear mongering, hate filled notices designed to frighten seniors into thinking that hoodlums and immigrants are going to kill them in the night. It's truly disgusting.

    I am a true NDP dirty socialist at heart, but I'm voting liberal because screw John Baird.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm weakly leaning towards Harper. For one thing, I'm not impressed with Dion at all. For another, the past few years under Harper weren't the disaster some predicted. We have income splitting, 5% GST, still didn't go into Iraq, and the one Supreme Court judge appointed was picked from a list compiled by the Liberals.

    I know some people claim that his new proposed law was a Trojan Horse to ban abortions, but frankly I think that's just paranoid. I don't think abortion rights are going anywhere in Canada.

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  • KorlashKorlash Registered User
    edited August 2008
    BQ PQ, they are so tightly linked does it really matter? Stop giving the Frenchies attention they love that.

    You are mean.

    D:

    Anyway I thought Harper was doing a good job with the economy, but the new copyright bill his party introduced and his support of an eventual attack on Iran prevent me from voting for him, so I'll probably be voting Liberal.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Asiina wrote: »
    I used to live in Ottawa-South so it was a given that a McGuinty was going to win every election there. Then I moved to a different part of Ottawa and now I'm in John Baird's riding.

    John. Baird.

    I don't like Stephen Harper's policies but I can respect him as a person. John Baird, on the other hand, has no soul. The propaganda that gets left in my mailbox by him is sickening. I live in an area with a lot of seniors and all of the leaflets (I get one at least every other day) are fear mongering, hate filled notices designed to frighten seniors into thinking that hoodlums and immigrants are going to kill them in the night. It's truly disgusting.

    I am a true NDP dirty socialist at heart, but I'm voting liberal because screw John Baird.


    You want to upload some? You will be getting ALOT more soon, I didn't even know that Steven had said ELECTION GO! until I saw a commercial saying how amazing Steven Harper is at being him. I check CBC.ca and hello, election time.

  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I think I've thrown most of them out, since I tend to get angry when I read them.

    The only one I can find at the moment is about Senate reform which isn't too interesting. They manage to use "corruption" and "unaccountability" 8 times in 50 word blurb, which is downright impressive.

    And I've been getting these since I moved here in mid-July.

  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Zephyr wrote: »
    so uh i'm not well versed on canadian politics but why is there a green party and the ndp

    don't they pretty much hold the same positions on issues?

    The Greens aren't socialists, while the NDP is. In fact, the dominant faction in the Greens right now is still the eco-capitalists, a la Jim Harris; we support tax reform to significantly reduce the income tax in favour of a carbon tax, plus a move toward greater energy independence and have no plans to nationalize certain industries, like the NDP does.
    Environmental issues, yes.
    Basically the Green Party is concerned with Ecological Issues, and their platform on the website reflects that.

    Actually, no. The NDP are a bunch of filthy hypocrites on the environment. They originally supported a carbon tax, but now they oppose it. In fact, they are looking to repeal all existing gas taxes, including the existing environmental levies and money that goes to transit.

    Why did they do this? It's quite simple, they are in the pocket of the unions (half their membership, is, afterall, union executives), with most of them concentrated in Ontario - the centre of production for cars and trucks! The Canadian Autoworkers' Union does not want a carbon tax, especially when most of their members work in plants that build SUVs and light trucks.
    To the green party people, why should I vote green? It seems like the quiant Leftish thing to do.

    I will be voting for NDP, because I want my vote to have SOME effect, especially with the rape of Alberta that is currently going on.

    The NDP is completely ineffective on a federal level. On a provincial level, it's a different story, but seriously fuck the NDP federally. They are hypocrites on the environment, their approach to Quebec is something I am deeply uncomfortable with (as a federalist), and the fact that they seem to base all of their policies on which way the wind is blowing is something I do not respect at all. I'd have more respect for them if they stuck to their principles, even the ones I disagreed with. But instead they've turned into amateur hour featuring Jack Layton. It's lame.

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  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Zephyr wrote: »
    so uh i'm not well versed on canadian politics but why is there a green party and the ndp

    don't they pretty much hold the same positions on issues?

    Environmental issues, yes.
    Basically the Green Party is concerned with Ecological Issues, and their platform on the website reflects that.

    To the green party people, why should I vote green? It seems like the quiant Leftish thing to do.

    I will be voting for NDP, because I want my vote to have SOME effect, especially with the rape of Alberta that is currently going on.

    The NDP is a socialist party, while the Green party is not. The Green party isn't really an ideologically "left" party like the NDP either.

    Because the NDP is a "workers" party, they tend to appease old industry, which then conflict with their green policies (which I find more lip service then anything). The Green party is more in favor of a push towards a green economy.

    I also find the Green party much more modern in encouraging participatory democracy (especially online).

    Another difference would be that the Green party is a small government party, with a focus on decentralization. An example from a candidate's blog:

    "The farther you remove decision making from the people, the less effective you can often be, and often the less responsive. However, we do understand the need for federations of local communities in which resources are pooled to best maximize benefit. Banning a harmful substance or regulating pollution is a good notion of where collective action is better that mere local ones. However, giving local groups the ability to introduce the changes is also of valuable."

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Why can't our politicians be as cool as yours.

    Spoiler:
  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Asiina wrote: »
    I used to live in Ottawa-South so it was a given that a McGuinty was going to win every election there. Then I moved to a different part of Ottawa and now I'm in John Baird's riding.

    John. Baird.

    I don't like Stephen Harper's policies but I can respect him as a person. John Baird, on the other hand, has no soul. The propaganda that gets left in my mailbox by him is sickening. I live in an area with a lot of seniors and all of the leaflets (I get one at least every other day) are fear mongering, hate filled notices designed to frighten seniors into thinking that hoodlums and immigrants are going to kill them in the night. It's truly disgusting.

    I am a true NDP dirty socialist at heart, but I'm voting liberal because screw John Baird.

    HA! You are totally in my riding. (Pinecrest/Baseline)

    I hate Baird with a passion. Such a douchebag.

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    took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    One thing I'm looking forward to is how Harper will explain breaking his own fixed-election-date law. "Parliament is dysfunctional" is, first of all a tautology, and second not an excuse to break the law.

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  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Damn, saggio totally beat me with a better post.

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    took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Richy wrote: »
    I'm weakly leaning towards Harper. For one thing, I'm not impressed with Dion at all. For another, the past few years under Harper weren't the disaster some predicted. We have income splitting, 5% GST, still didn't go into Iraq, and the one Supreme Court judge appointed was picked from a list compiled by the Liberals.

    I know some people claim that his new proposed law was a Trojan Horse to ban abortions, but frankly I think that's just paranoid. I don't think abortion rights are going anywhere in Canada.

    While lots of it is scare tactics from the Libs, if the Conservatives had a majority then they would have pushed a whole bunch of bullshit through. You can bet they would have repealed gay marriage. So fuck them.

    Income splitting? I thought that didn't go through?

    Also, the 5% GST thing is so lame. Every economist in canada was saying that an income tax cut would have been better. But it didn't "look" as good, so there you go.

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    took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Well then, time to vote Marijuana? I just checked out the NDP website and their Green Plan for "Greener Transportation", and it seems to involve investing in the Auto Giants (!) Emission Credits (?) "work with the auto and petroleum industry to ensure that access to alternative fuels expands with the availability of alternative fuel vehicles." (!!).

    Edit:

    Small government, while having stringent Environmental Laws? /confused

  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Proto wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    I used to live in Ottawa-South so it was a given that a McGuinty was going to win every election there. Then I moved to a different part of Ottawa and now I'm in John Baird's riding.

    John. Baird.

    I don't like Stephen Harper's policies but I can respect him as a person. John Baird, on the other hand, has no soul. The propaganda that gets left in my mailbox by him is sickening. I live in an area with a lot of seniors and all of the leaflets (I get one at least every other day) are fear mongering, hate filled notices designed to frighten seniors into thinking that hoodlums and immigrants are going to kill them in the night. It's truly disgusting.

    I am a true NDP dirty socialist at heart, but I'm voting liberal because screw John Baird.

    HA! You are totally in my riding. (Pinecrest/Baseline)

    I hate Baird with a passion. Such a douchebag.

    It wasn't anything I considered when moving here (Richmond/Carling) but when I started getting these leaflets I was like....fuck.

    At least it'll feel good to vote against him.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm pretty sure income splitting for seniors went through. As for gay marriage, I never saw it as more than lip-service to the social conservative segment of his voter base. I mean, he promised a free vote, knowing full well that most of his MPs are for gay marriage and that even if, somehow, the anti-gay-marriage side won, there'd be no way for Parliament to ban it short of completely eliminating all marriages in Canada.

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  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Asiina wrote: »
    Proto wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    I used to live in Ottawa-South so it was a given that a McGuinty was going to win every election there. Then I moved to a different part of Ottawa and now I'm in John Baird's riding.

    John. Baird.

    I don't like Stephen Harper's policies but I can respect him as a person. John Baird, on the other hand, has no soul. The propaganda that gets left in my mailbox by him is sickening. I live in an area with a lot of seniors and all of the leaflets (I get one at least every other day) are fear mongering, hate filled notices designed to frighten seniors into thinking that hoodlums and immigrants are going to kill them in the night. It's truly disgusting.

    I am a true NDP dirty socialist at heart, but I'm voting liberal because screw John Baird.

    HA! You are totally in my riding. (Pinecrest/Baseline)

    I hate Baird with a passion. Such a douchebag.

    It wasn't anything I considered when moving here (Richmond/Carling) but when I started getting these leaflets I was like....fuck.

    At least it'll feel good to vote against him.

    It feels so awesome to write him a letter about some issue and get back a form letter in 5 months, let me tell you.

    and her knees up on the glove compartment
    took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
  • DeciusDecius Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Albertan.

    Anarchist.

    Voting Green.

    Should be fun.

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  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Richy wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure income splitting for seniors went through. As for gay marriage, I never saw it as more than lip-service to the social conservative segment of his voter base. I mean, he promised a free vote, knowing full well that most of his MPs are for gay marriage and that even if, somehow, the anti-gay-marriage side won, there'd be no way for Parliament to ban it short of completely eliminating all marriages in Canada.

    oh, I thought you meant the spouse income splitting thing that was going around a year or so ago. That would have been sweet.


    I found the whole idea that Harper would threaten to take rights away from citizens just to appease his backwards, ignorant base a really horrible thing to do. Plus he opposed it the first time around too.

    and her knees up on the glove compartment
    took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
  • Andrew_JayAndrew_Jay Registered User
    edited August 2008
    saggio wrote: »
    I'll be voting Green. Mostly because I'm a member of the party, but also because I think Elizabeth May is the best leader out there right now.

    I really hope they let her on the debates this time.
    I hope they pick up some votes too - if only to take the piss out of the NDP who coast on non-existent environmental record. Funny story - I got some junk mail from the Conservatives the other day and they included May and the Greens right along side the other major parties. Kind of surprised me - if they're taking them seriously, maybe it means they expect them to see some gains (probably at their expense too).

    Depends on where I get to vote, I might toss mine their way. Strong Liberal myself, but if my registration is screwed up and I'm voting in St. Paul's (one of the safest Liberal ridings in the country), Carolyn Bennett isn't going to need me - but if it's St. John's South the local Liberal has my support.

    Seriously, to continue my first point, fuck the NDP on the environment. Their Cap-and-Trade program is crap and Layton has so far gotten away lying about how consumers won't be affected. They will. At least Dion (note - I'm a strong Liberal but for God's sake, Dion has been useless so far - selling the Carbon Tax is his last chance) has admitted that it will cost consumers and has implemented measures to offset its regressive effects with reduced income taxes on lowest brackets and increased transfers to low-income earners.

  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    In spite of being a Libertarian, and really not liking Jack Layton, I'm probably going to be voting for my incumbent MP, Peter Stoffer, who's from the NDP (I'm in Sackville-Eastern Shore in Nova Scotia btw). My reasons include;

    - There's no Libertarian candidate in my riding, and the Canadian Libertarian party itself is a small, unorganized mess.
    - Dion seems like an indecisive pussy, which was confirmed when he kept getting his party to skip votes to avoid bringing down the government, allowing some outright scary legislation move on.
    - Harper's government was behind said scary legislation. Just look up bills C-51 and C-61 for examples.
    - Peter Stoffer is fucking awesome. I've personally met him, and he's a good man. He also does a hell of a job representing his constituents, and actually personally called me back when I wrote to him about legislation I was concerned about (again, see C-51 and C-61, both of which he opposes). We could use more MPs like him.
    - Stoffer is going to win by a landslide regardless of how I vote, like he did in 2000, 2004, and 2006. Again, he's awesome, and people love him.

  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Andrew_Jay wrote: »
    saggio wrote: »
    I'll be voting Green. Mostly because I'm a member of the party, but also because I think Elizabeth May is the best leader out there right now.

    I really hope they let her on the debates this time.
    I hope they pick up some votes too - if only to take the piss out of the NDP who coast on non-existent environmental record. Funny story - I got some junk mail from the Conservatives the other day and they included May and the Greens right along side the other major parties. Kind of surprised me - if they're taking them seriously, maybe it means they expect them to see some gains (probably at their expense too).

    Depends on where I get to vote, I might toss mine their way. Strong Liberal myself, but if my registration is screwed up and I'm voting in St. Paul's (one of the safest Liberal ridings in the country), Carolyn Bennett isn't going to need me - but if it's St. John's South the local Liberal has my support.

    Seriously, to continue my first point, fuck the NDP on the environment. Their Cap-and-Trade program is crap and Layton has so far gotten away lying about how consumers won't be affected. They will. At least Dion (note - I'm a strong Liberal but for God's sake, Dion has been useless so far - selling the Carbon Tax is his last chance) has admitted that it will cost consumers and has implemented measures to offset its regressive effects with reduced income taxes on lowest brackets and increased transfers to low-income earners.

    If you are in a safe Liberal or Conservative riding, I encourage everyone to vote for the Greens. Every vote gives the party $1.50 in funding from Elections Canada after 1 million votes, which happened for the first time in the last election. By increasing our total number of votes, even if there isn't a breakthrough in seats, will go a long way to making the party a better contender in the future.

    Also: I'm glad we're all in agreement about the NDP. Fuck those guys.

    3DS: 0232-9436-6893
  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    saggio wrote: »
    Andrew_Jay wrote: »
    saggio wrote: »
    I'll be voting Green. Mostly because I'm a member of the party, but also because I think Elizabeth May is the best leader out there right now.

    I really hope they let her on the debates this time.
    I hope they pick up some votes too - if only to take the piss out of the NDP who coast on non-existent environmental record. Funny story - I got some junk mail from the Conservatives the other day and they included May and the Greens right along side the other major parties. Kind of surprised me - if they're taking them seriously, maybe it means they expect them to see some gains (probably at their expense too).

    Depends on where I get to vote, I might toss mine their way. Strong Liberal myself, but if my registration is screwed up and I'm voting in St. Paul's (one of the safest Liberal ridings in the country), Carolyn Bennett isn't going to need me - but if it's St. John's South the local Liberal has my support.

    Seriously, to continue my first point, fuck the NDP on the environment. Their Cap-and-Trade program is crap and Layton has so far gotten away lying about how consumers won't be affected. They will. At least Dion (note - I'm a strong Liberal but for God's sake, Dion has been useless so far - selling the Carbon Tax is his last chance) has admitted that it will cost consumers and has implemented measures to offset its regressive effects with reduced income taxes on lowest brackets and increased transfers to low-income earners.

    If you are in a safe Liberal or Conservative riding, I encourage everyone to vote for the Greens. Every vote gives the party $1.50 in funding from Elections Canada after 1 million votes, which happened for the first time in the last election. By increasing our total number of votes, even if there isn't a breakthrough in seats, will go a long way to making the party a better contender in the future.

    Also: I'm glad we're all in agreement about the NDP. Fuck those guys.

    Or, if you're in a safe riding, and there's a Libertarian candidate on the ballot, vote for them. We are in serious need of funding.

  • Bryse EayoBryse Eayo Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Asiina wrote: »
    I used to live in Ottawa-South so it was a given that a McGuinty was going to win every election there. Then I moved to a different part of Ottawa and now I'm in John Baird's riding.

    John. Baird.

    I don't like Stephen Harper's policies but I can respect him as a person. John Baird, on the other hand, has no soul. The propaganda that gets left in my mailbox by him is sickening. I live in an area with a lot of seniors and all of the leaflets (I get one at least every other day) are fear mongering, hate filled notices designed to frighten seniors into thinking that hoodlums and immigrants are going to kill them in the night. It's truly disgusting.

    I am a true NDP dirty socialist at heart, but I'm voting liberal because screw John Baird.


    Hey. Hey.

    I live in Gordon O'Conner's riding.

    I have to carry that shame every day.

    But yeah the election should be fun, seeing as it *should* be illegal. Hopefully that fact comes and bites Harper in the ass, though it won't be through any action of Dion.

  • Chake99Chake99 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Or, if you're in a safe riding, and there's a Libertarian candidate on the ballot, vote for them. We are in serious need of funding

    Unless of course you think libertarianism is dumb.

    If there's an election I'm hoping for either a conservative or liberal minority. I actually fear what will happen if we get a conservative majority.

    But seriously, usually I'm a staunch liberal, and for the life of my I can't figure out why the fuck they picked Stephane Dion. Am I the only one who thinks he would be a miserable Prime Minister?

    Hell actually I'd hope for another conservative minority. Stephen Harper is by far a more party-head than any of the other candidates.

    Hic Rhodus, Hic Salta.
  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Chake99 wrote: »
    Or, if you're in a safe riding, and there's a Libertarian candidate on the ballot, vote for them. We are in serious need of funding

    Unless of course you think libertarianism is dumb.

    Well I was just jokingly playing off what the last guy said about Green Party candidates, but thanks for ruining the light hearted atmosphere for everyone.

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