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Franken v Coleman: Statistical tie

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited November 2008
    OremLK wrote: »
    So education = intelligence, now?

    Do you have a point?

    Is it on top of your head?

    Ballot discrepancies show up more often in D-leaning districts because voter caging and disinformation has been primarily a Republican game for many years now, and because denser populations are more likely to generate errors because there are fewer volunteers-per-voter at the polls to manage the chaos. It's a lot easier to ask for and receive help at a polling station servicing 2,000 voters instead of one servicing 20,000. Couple that with the fact that urban areas vote overwhelmingly in favor of Democratic candidates and its easy to understand why most of the errors fall on one side.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Dyscord wrote: »
    Frankly I'd vote for a ham sandwich for senate over a Republican, given the last few years of republican governance. At least the sandwich wouldn't vote in favor of wiretapping.

    I mean, what's your issue here tube? You don't like franken, awesome. He'd still be better than coleman.

    Why? Because he's not a Republican? My issue isn't with Franken or Coleman, it's with people who immediately jump to hate the Republican candidate or whine about Republican candidates winning democratic elections. Just saying things like "he'd be better than Coleman" means nothing. When challenged as to why Coleman is so bad the best anyone has come up with is "well a guy died right before he was elected and so he came in based on that" and some ludicrous wrangling copy pasted from some guy's blog desperately trying to pretend that Franken has won.

    It's the lazy thinking that bugs me. What's so bad about Coleman? Plenty of people are able to express what they don't like about Franken, and you'll have to do a lot better than "he's a Republican!" because believe it or not, being a Republican isn't an objectively bad thing and the belief that it is (and the reverse from conservatives) is sending the country to the fucking dogs.

    Being a republican is an objectively bad thing if you're running for Senate. Because it means that you're going to get to the senate and vote for republican leadership, and probably support things like the SCHIP filibuster. If the vote was for Coleman to run shit himself maybe you'd have a point, but it isn't: it's a vote for Mitch McConnell et al.

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  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    So education = intelligence, now?

    Do you have a point?

    Yes, but under the rules, I probably shouldn't get into it here, so instead I will shut up.

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  • polajumpolajum Registered User
    edited November 2008
    Yar wrote: »
    I always thought that both the most and least educated voted Democrat.

    It's more like the least realistic and the most likely to vote for a candidate based on the coolness of their haircut


    Right-the spectacular success we're enjoying in this country even as we speak clearly demonstrates the wisdom and judgment of Republican voters.

  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited November 2008
    Yar wrote: »
    I always thought that both the most and least educated voted Democrat.

    You're half-right. Maybe two-thirds. Democrats consistently pull a substantial number of those with four-year degrees or better as well as poor minorities who happen to be uneducated due largely to social issues related to their minority status. The Deep South is by far the least-educated part of the US behind the Plains and the Rust Belt, and all of those regions have been consistently Republican in the past (although Obama successfully turned the Rust Belt, so that could be changing). Poor, uneducated whites are the backbone of the Republican machine, even if it's rich whites who provide the funding.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Yar wrote: »
    I always thought that both the most and least educated voted Democrat.

    It's more like the least realistic and the most likely to vote for a candidate based on the coolness of their haircut

    I heard that the smaller your frontal lobe, the more likely you are to vote Democratic. It's something to do with lacking executive function...

  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Yar wrote: »
    I always thought that both the most and least educated voted Democrat.

    You're half-right. Maybe two-thirds. Democrats consistently pull a substantial number of those with four-year degrees or better as well as poor minorities who happen to be uneducated due largely to social issues related to their minority status. The Deep South is by far the least-educated part of the US behind the Plains and the Rust Belt, and all of those regions have been consistently Republican in the past (although Obama successfully turned the Rust Belt, so that could be changing). Poor, uneducated whites are the backbone of the Republican machine, even if it's rich whites who provide the funding.
    Yeah but this is a fairly recent phenomenon. Uneducated whites in the South historically voted for more handouts, too. It was the successful implementation of religion in Republicanism that tipped it.

    EDIT: Ok Elki is going to kill us. Back on topic. Is there an official result in the Franken election yet?

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Dyscord wrote: »
    Frankly I'd vote for a ham sandwich for senate over a Republican, given the last few years of republican governance. At least the sandwich wouldn't vote in favor of wiretapping.

    I mean, what's your issue here tube? You don't like franken, awesome. He'd still be better than coleman.
    Why? Because he's not a Republican? My issue isn't with Franken or Coleman, it's with people who immediately jump to hate the Republican candidate or whine about Republican candidates winning democratic elections. Just saying things like "he'd be better than Coleman" means nothing. When challenged as to why Coleman is so bad the best anyone has come up with is "well a guy died right before he was elected and so he came in based on that" and some ludicrous wrangling copy pasted from some guy's blog desperately trying to pretend that Franken has won.

    It's the lazy thinking that bugs me. What's so bad about Coleman? Plenty of people are able to express what they don't like about Franken, and you'll have to do a lot better than "he's a Republican!" because believe it or not, being a Republican isn't an objectively bad thing and the belief that it is (and the reverse from conservatives) is sending the country to the fucking dogs.
    It's not that Coleman is a Republican, it's that he's a right-wing Republican who has done nothing but be a "yes-man" for George W. Bush. This from a state where the last guy in there was one of the most liberal Senators in the country.

  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Yar wrote: »
    I always thought that both the most and least educated voted Democrat.

    It's more like the least realistic and the most likely to vote for a candidate based on the coolness of their haircut

    I heard that the smaller your frontal lobe, the more likely you are to vote Democratic. It's something to do with lacking executive function...

    What's best is that this is from the person who said that Coleman isn't that bad because he won an election, then, upon been corrected with the fact that his opponent died, said his point still stands because Coleman didn't kill him.


    If I disappear for a while, would you guys mind raising a stink about an inappropriate banning?

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This from a state where the last guy in there was one of the most liberal Senators in the country.

    Which goes to show, most people don't vote for policies, they vote for how good your smile is and how nice your haircut is.

    Coleman has just managed to have those stupid commercials on where he is drinking coffee like he is a normal "you and me" kinda guy. Franken just can't pull that off quite the same, especially with his fame.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Dyscord wrote: »
    Frankly I'd vote for a ham sandwich for senate over a Republican, given the last few years of republican governance. At least the sandwich wouldn't vote in favor of wiretapping.

    I mean, what's your issue here tube? You don't like franken, awesome. He'd still be better than coleman.
    Why? Because he's not a Republican? My issue isn't with Franken or Coleman, it's with people who immediately jump to hate the Republican candidate or whine about Republican candidates winning democratic elections. Just saying things like "he'd be better than Coleman" means nothing. When challenged as to why Coleman is so bad the best anyone has come up with is "well a guy died right before he was elected and so he came in based on that" and some ludicrous wrangling copy pasted from some guy's blog desperately trying to pretend that Franken has won.

    It's the lazy thinking that bugs me. What's so bad about Coleman? Plenty of people are able to express what they don't like about Franken, and you'll have to do a lot better than "he's a Republican!" because believe it or not, being a Republican isn't an objectively bad thing and the belief that it is (and the reverse from conservatives) is sending the country to the fucking dogs.
    It's not that Coleman is a Republican, it's that he's a right-wing Republican who has done nothing but be a "yes-man" for George W. Bush. This from a state where the last guy in there was one of the most liberal Senators in the country.

    His views on a number of issues bother me as well. He's a republican, yes, but he's a republican with some really awful (in my opinion) political stances also.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    It's not that Coleman is a Republican, it's that he's a right-wing Republican who has done nothing but be a "yes-man" for George W. Bush. This from a state where the last guy in there was one of the most liberal Senators in the country.
    Woah there, Thanatos.

    Are you sure you don't just dislike him because you're so liberal? So liberal you can't even stand it?


    That's insane, though. Do people not understand what any of his policies mean? Or do they just like voting one side and then the other for balance?

  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Yar wrote: »
    I always thought that both the most and least educated voted Democrat.

    It's more like the least realistic and the most likely to vote for a candidate based on the coolness of their haircut

    I heard that the smaller your frontal lobe, the more likely you are to vote Democratic. It's something to do with lacking executive function...

    What's best is that this is from the person who said that Coleman isn't that bad because he won an election, then, upon been corrected with the fact that his opponent died, said his point still stands because Coleman didn't kill him.


    If I disappear for a while, would you guys mind raising a stink about an inappropriate banning?

    Yeah, that's what I do, right? I don't think missing a point on a staggering scale is against the rules, although being a huge tool is. The whole "OH HERE COMES THE ADMIN I GUESS HE'LL BAN ME FOR BEING THE AWESOME REBEL THAT I AM CARD" gets played more often than wiggin.

  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    We should have a war against the Republicans and make them leave. But it should be civilized. We could call it a "civilized war."

    As for this whole thing about Republicans, I don't know what to say. I mean, I consider myself more centrist in actual political philosophy but most friends that describe themselves as Republican or, worse, Conservative just seem so out of touch with reality that it is literally (yes, literally) frightening some times.

    I think the main fault is the media, though. The right-wing media does it such a disfavor by blatantly warping reality that it's impossible to take the Republican party seriously when a good number of random people go around spouting that Obama is a Muslim, or a baby-killer, thinking he is ACTUALLY a Muslim and ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY dumped a baby in a dumpster. I have heard both of these. In person. I'm not saying Democrats are altogether unilaterally brilliant philosophers either but I've never heard something so crazy from any of the liberals I personally know or have met and I've met a good many more self-described liberals/democrats than conservatives/republicans.

    I apologize if this is not strictly on-topic.

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  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2008
    You have not heard a Republican claim that Barack Obama literally killed a baby and dumped it in a dumpster. Stop making things up.

    "---- are out of touch with reality" is such a ubiquitous political slur that it's ceased to have any meaning. Reality is like, subjective man...

  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    *shrug*

    I've always found the republican support of both no abortions and no sex education to be dangerously out of touch with reality.

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  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2008
    No sex education isn't exactly a core Republican principle, it's a religious one. There's crossover. That doesn't make it a "republican thing". You'd also be surprised at how many self styled liberal people are against abortion. My ex-girlfriend was a hardcore liberal/socialist and part of the great deal of time she dedicated to being as mind-blowingly stupid as fucking possible was spent at anti-abortion marches with a whole group of her dumb hippie friends.

  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    No sex education, yes. But as Tube discussed, it's not necessarily a core Republican tenet so much as a hard-right faction of the party. The abortion issue ought to be considered open for debate--certainly it makes much more sense to debate that than gay marriage.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Yar wrote: »
    I always thought that both the most and least educated voted Democrat.

    It's more like the least realistic and the most likely to vote for a candidate based on the coolness of their haircut

    I heard that the smaller your frontal lobe, the more likely you are to vote Democratic. It's something to do with lacking executive function...

    What's best is that this is from the person who said that Coleman isn't that bad because he won an election, then, upon been corrected with the fact that his opponent died, said his point still stands because Coleman didn't kill him.


    If I disappear for a while, would you guys mind raising a stink about an inappropriate banning?

    Yeah, that's what I do, right? I don't think missing a point on a staggering scale is against the rules, although being a huge tool is. The whole "OH HERE COMES THE ADMIN I GUESS HE'LL BAN ME FOR BEING THE AWESOME REBEL THAT I AM CARD" gets played more often than wiggin.

    Actually, it's that some of the stuff you're saying is so stupid that I feel I have to use a strategy to dissuade retaliation. I mean, you said that voting on issues is idiotic.

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    The rest of you, I fucking hate you for the fact that I now have a blue dot on this god awful thread.
  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You have not heard a Republican claim that Barack Obama literally killed a baby and dumped it in a dumpster. Stop making things up.

    "---- are out of touch with reality" is such a ubiquitous political slur that it's ceased to have any meaning. Reality is like, subjective man...

    I heard it the day after Obama won. I am not making this up. Some middle-aged white guy in the deli around the corner was telling this to the guy who was delivering bread. He concluded his insane diatribe with "well, I hope you're happy, you just elected a babykiller," took his egg sandwich, paid, and stormed out. Tube, have you ever lived here? There are frighteningly crazy people here.

    I also got into an argument with an 18-year-old marine on Halloween who was absolutely 100% convinced that he was a Muslim.

    I posted about both incidents in [chat] and can summon the posts for you if you like. I'm not sure if that will lend any more credence to my claim, but I don't really care. I'm not the kind of person that needs to slander to prove my point and if you feel otherwise, so be it.

    As to your other point, reality is only subjective to a certain degree. Believing that Obama a Muslim is not "subjective reality" it's "being out of touch with reality." It's a slur, and it's a valid slur.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    You have not heard a Republican claim that Barack Obama literally killed a baby and dumped it in a dumpster. Stop making things up.

    "---- are out of touch with reality" is such a ubiquitous political slur that it's ceased to have any meaning. Reality is like, subjective man...

    I dunno, I heard a coworker state that Obama is personally in charge of a grand voter fraud scandal with ACORN at the helm. And I've read accounts on other forums from Pubs claiming shit no less absurd than the baby-dumpster thing. It's not hard for me to believe that someone, somewhere is that stupid, even if this particular anecdote is made up. I mean, the respectable faces of conservatism like NRO are stating that Obama might be a secret Muslim and that he's pro-infanticide.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Bush himself supported and pushed abstinence only education, and I do not recall any republicans railing against it. Although arguably he no longer represents the republican party.

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  • LitejediLitejedi New York CityRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You have not heard a Republican claim that Barack Obama literally killed a baby and dumped it in a dumpster. Stop making things up.

    "---- are out of touch with reality" is such a ubiquitous political slur that it's ceased to have any meaning. Reality is like, subjective man...

    Tube, I've met people in Colorado
    a) Who mentioned things like this, to me, about Obama.
    b) A small percentage of them were Democrats, at the state/county conventions during the primary.

    You can choose to believe me or not. Also, this is very off-topic.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    You know what, this is now hopelessly off-topic and even in its on-topic form it was largely paralleling the congress thread.

    Though we do now have a handy object lesson on how easy it is for even admins to get sucked into off-topic tangents on matters of politics. :)

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  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Actually, it's that some of the stuff you're saying is so stupid that I feel I have to use a strategy to dissuade retaliation. I mean, you said that voting on issues is idiotic.

    No, moron, I didn't. Go away and come back when you have achieved basic reading comprehension.

  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    You have not heard a Republican claim that Barack Obama literally killed a baby and dumped it in a dumpster. Stop making things up.

    "---- are out of touch with reality" is such a ubiquitous political slur that it's ceased to have any meaning. Reality is like, subjective man...

    I dunno, I heard a coworker state that Obama is personally in charge of a grand voter fraud scandal with ACORN at the helm. And I've read accounts on other forums from Pubs claiming shit no less absurd than the baby-dumpster thing. It's not hard for me to believe that someone, somewhere is that stupid, even if this particular anecdote is made up. I mean, the respectable faces of conservatism like NRO are stating that Obama might be a secret Muslim and that he's pro-infanticide.

    I was a big fan of the debate moderator who not only insisted on using Obama's full name but particularly stressed the Hussein and Sarah Palin's reaction to said chucklery.

  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2008
    wait what, this wasn't me

  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    You know what, this is now hopelessly off-topic and even in its on-topic form it was largely paralleling the congress thread.

    Though we do now have a handy object lesson on how easy it is for even admins to get sucked into off-topic tangents on matters of politics. :)

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    i am tube i like to make poast in locked threads becuz i am admin hurrrrrr

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  • ElkiElki GOBS OF PUKE!!! YES!!!!!!!Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Yar wrote: »
    I always thought that both the most and least educated voted Democrat.

    It's more like the least realistic and the most likely to vote for a candidate based on the coolness of their haircut

    I heard that the smaller your frontal lobe, the more likely you are to vote Democratic. It's something to do with lacking executive function...

    What's best is that this is from the person who said that Coleman isn't that bad because he won an election, then, upon been corrected with the fact that his opponent died, said his point still stands because Coleman didn't kill him.


    If I disappear for a while, would you guys mind raising a stink about an inappropriate banning?

    Yeah, that's what I do, right? I don't think missing a point on a staggering scale is against the rules, although being a huge tool is. The whole "OH HERE COMES THE ADMIN I GUESS HE'LL BAN ME FOR BEING THE AWESOME REBEL THAT I AM CARD" gets played more often than wiggin.

    Actually, it's that some of the stuff you're saying is so stupid that I feel I have to use a strategy to dissuade retaliation. I mean, you said that voting on issues is idiotic.

    Totally wiggin.

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