As far as laws and civil rights not being based on faith, aren't many of our laws based on religious ones? Thats a hard line to draw also considering that a majority of this country believes in a god or belongs to some sort of faith. And considering we are the ones that make the laws according to our own conscience, most laws and civil rights WILL be based on some sort of faith until the majority of the country is no longer religious.
It's really not a hard line to draw at all. If the law applies to everyone, then it needs to be based in (or at least defensible) in a secular, reasonable (i.e. non-faith based) argument. The argument against legalizing gay marriage has never been defensible from a purely secular standpoint.
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edited February 2009
the bible says that if you kill a man's unborn baby then you have to pay him like 30 shekels
I used to work under a gay man and had two gay co-workers. We hung out ALL the time. They were good dudes. I have nothing against them as people.
I have black friends. That doesn't mean that I can run around saying the n-word.
Come on people, I stated before hand that it was one of those obligatory statements everyone makes and I recognize it will mean nothing to most everyone. But regardless, its true. I have people in my life who are gay, who I care about. Its just something that no one can prove through text on a forum. So you can believe me or not. I really don't care.
Surprised Obi didn't catch that, earlier. Then again, it was around 10 pages ago.
aww yeah pastmormonHIGH5
yessss
also my dad's mom is a old lady, and a horrible homophobe. how she never knew or guess that my uncle matt (who was a fantastic man, one of my favorite people ever) was gay, and that he died of aids is beyond me.
the reason i mention my homophobe grandma is because it is important to point out that just because someone is bigoted in one way doesn't mean they are horrible bigots overall, and that can also be frustrating.
it'd be easier to be able to just dislike someone fully because they are a total bigot, but then they could be like my grandma, a full blooded red headed scottish woman, white as can be, who married a man who was half native american and half mexican. and at that time that was barely even legal.
you know life would just be so much simpler if i could just make everyone believe what i believe (like lucifer wanted to do eh wot)! haha
alt text: why don't you just put the whole world in a bottle bel
i am not philosophically opposed to this but it still grosses me out
"When I was a sportswoman on the East German Olympic Track and Field team, they dispensed anabolic steroids as freely as here in America they dole out Gator-Ade."
I stated before hand that it was one of those obligatory statements everyone makes and I recognize it will mean nothing to most everyone.
It's not obligatory, it's asinine. It's an insult to everyone else's intelligence.
Hell, I've got a friend who was born Mormon. Does that mean that I can go around declaring that Mormons are inherently flawed?
K, so I'm not all that great with words. Sorry.
The reality is that someone called into question wether or not I think gays are gross. I don't and the only way I can maybe back that up is to show that I have gay friends, who I care about, and continuously hang out with. Is there a better way to defend myself when someone is calling into question my non-bigotry?
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which issue is that from also new Achewood should be up wooo
What about "I can't be homophobic, I have a dick in my ass right now"?
I think the bike helmet/bead combination pulls it together
You knew what this was....
Whatever you do. DO NOT TELL THEM YOUR ROOMMATE IS JEWISH
THEY WILL CAMP OUT ON YOUR FRONT LAWN FOR WEEKS
And just what did they do to get those beads?!
Issue 5, page 39ish.
Twitch (I stream most days of the week)
Twitter (mean leftist discourse)
Actually, it isn't.
It's a real shame that more people can't read the original Hebrew (or at least be bothered to read a direct translation.)
Isn't supposed to translate to shall shalt not murder? Please, correct me here.
Twitch (I stream most days of the week)
Twitter (mean leftist discourse)
The Bible and Tora are not exactly the same.
Sweet
I just want to read the set-up to that again
I would also like for that sequence to be colored at some point
Come on people, I stated before hand that it was one of those obligatory statements everyone makes and I recognize it will mean nothing to most everyone. But regardless, its true. I have people in my life who are gay, who I care about. Its just something that no one can prove through text on a forum. So you can believe me or not. I really don't care.
i am not philosophically opposed to this but it still grosses me out
but my flock it is poor we have no money
nuke it from orbit
it's the only way to be sure
the first five books are
except for the crappy translation into english
They must just not like you or Brookline Mormons are more hardcore as the Mormons in Brighton are quite nice.
Oh man, abortionists are gonna go out of business. Cuz with inflation, 30 shekels is like... ALOT.... now.
youre not an octopus
yessss
also my dad's mom is a old lady, and a horrible homophobe. how she never knew or guess that my uncle matt (who was a fantastic man, one of my favorite people ever) was gay, and that he died of aids is beyond me.
the reason i mention my homophobe grandma is because it is important to point out that just because someone is bigoted in one way doesn't mean they are horrible bigots overall, and that can also be frustrating.
it'd be easier to be able to just dislike someone fully because they are a total bigot, but then they could be like my grandma, a full blooded red headed scottish woman, white as can be, who married a man who was half native american and half mexican. and at that time that was barely even legal.
you know life would just be so much simpler if i could just make everyone believe what i believe (like lucifer wanted to do eh wot)! haha
Now now
there is a certain dollar value attached to religion, and I'm not sure it's for any of us to make this kind of snap decision
It's not obligatory, it's asinine. It's an insult to everyone else's intelligence.
Hell, I've got a friend who was born Mormon. Does that mean that I can go around declaring that Mormons are inherently flawed?
srsly
this is even more hilarious when i picture ericka the grass type gym leader from celadon city saying this
"actually ash you owe misty 1,000 pokedollars if she's going to carry the baby to term"
i dunno, have you seen a good many of our senators
also: televangelists
bloop bloop
"When I was a sportswoman on the East German Olympic Track and Field team, they dispensed anabolic steroids as freely as here in America they dole out Gator-Ade."
Yup.
The general act of killing isn't forbidden, it's the specific act of murder.
If you have justifiable reason to kill, it's permissible (and what counts as justifiable reason is clearly outlined.)
that reminds me, i need to get my old av back
I don't think so - it's not like you're actually saying whether you like or hate said dick in party one's ass.
i find it hilarious
Look who's being discriminatory now? All stereotyping guys with wide bathroom stances.
K, so I'm not all that great with words. Sorry.
The reality is that someone called into question wether or not I think gays are gross. I don't and the only way I can maybe back that up is to show that I have gay friends, who I care about, and continuously hang out with. Is there a better way to defend myself when someone is calling into question my non-bigotry?
It's four or five shekels to a dollar.
So, let's knock six bucks off the price of every abortion and call it even, okay?