My church generally uses the money from donations to feed the homeless and do other missionary/charity projects around town.
Since donations have dropped a bit, we've cut back from our program that helps people pay bills.
Lent is a time where you either give up something or do something extra. I think I'll just go to church on Weds. I was going to give up "Drugs, Sex, and Rock n' Roll" for Lent, but I think that'd be too much.
how is missionary "work" equitable to charity
Missionary work also often includes participating in social programs thereby spreading the gospel of compassion and yada yada.
Stuff like that, presumably.
now if they could just help people without lying to them
but no, that would be missing the point
Would implying that missionaries are liars and only help others to indoctrinate them fall under breaking your vow to not say anything bad about religion or religious people?
I'm just curious. I'm not religious at all myself.
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I haven't given up anything since I was a kid. I never have any ideas that either don't matter to me (give up chocolate? How often do I even eat chocolate?) or just won't happen (giving up the internet or TV).
So this year I'm really doing it. Yesterday I decided I'm giving up Subway, which is quite a sacrifice: I eat there twice a week and now I'll have to suffer through more dining hall food than usual.
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My church generally uses the money from donations to feed the homeless and do other missionary/charity projects around town.
Since donations have dropped a bit, we've cut back from our program that helps people pay bills.
Lent is a time where you either give up something or do something extra. I think I'll just go to church on Weds. I was going to give up "Drugs, Sex, and Rock n' Roll" for Lent, but I think that'd be too much.
how is missionary "work" equitable to charity
Missionary work also often includes participating in social programs thereby spreading the gospel of compassion and yada yada.
Stuff like that, presumably.
now if they could just help people without lying to them
but no, that would be missing the point
Would implying that missionaries are liars and only help others to indoctrinate them fall under breaking your vow to not say anything bad about religion or religious people?
I'm just curious. I'm not religious at all myself.
My church generally uses the money from donations to feed the homeless and do other missionary/charity projects around town.
Since donations have dropped a bit, we've cut back from our program that helps people pay bills.
Lent is a time where you either give up something or do something extra. I think I'll just go to church on Weds. I was going to give up "Drugs, Sex, and Rock n' Roll" for Lent, but I think that'd be too much.
how is missionary "work" equitable to charity
Missionary work also often includes participating in social programs thereby spreading the gospel of compassion and yada yada.
Stuff like that, presumably.
now if they could just help people without lying to them
but no, that would be missing the point
Would implying that missionaries are liars and only help others to indoctrinate them fall under breaking your vow to not say anything bad about religion or religious people?
I'm just curious. I'm not religious at all myself.
My sister's husband was raised as a scientologist. They were married by a scientologist minister(?). He's just a normal dude, though, and doesn't really know much about the weird scientology stuff that most internet people are up in arms about. The most out there thing he believes in is detox.
Still weird though.
There was a thing once about a guy who joined scientology, was really into it, really devoted himself to it and then one day hit the "level" or whatever where they tell you about Xenu and was just crushed.
Anyway, apparently a lot of people in Hollywood are Scientologists solely because it often makes it easier for them to get work.
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My church generally uses the money from donations to feed the homeless and do other missionary/charity projects around town.
Since donations have dropped a bit, we've cut back from our program that helps people pay bills.
Lent is a time where you either give up something or do something extra. I think I'll just go to church on Weds. I was going to give up "Drugs, Sex, and Rock n' Roll" for Lent, but I think that'd be too much.
how is missionary "work" equitable to charity
Missionary work also often includes participating in social programs thereby spreading the gospel of compassion and yada yada.
Stuff like that, presumably.
now if they could just help people without lying to them
but no, that would be missing the point
The, uh
the "gospel of compassion" is just being nice and helping people in need.
There isn't a whole lot of "JESUS WILL SAVE YOU FROM YOUR POVERTY IF YOU OPEN YOUR HEART TO HIM" at soup kitchens.
Way to make sweeping generalizations about people trying to help others because it's the right thing to do, though. Good job with that.
Yeah, I'm not precisely sure what you meant by this, Spectre.
See, you take 1 part "Lent is a ridiculous conceit", and 1 part "Inarticulate atheist", put them in a blender, and voilà .
But
Lent's a pretty good idea. You give up something you enjoy, teaching you self-restraint and frugality. And when I was a kid at church, the sermons always revolved around using this experience to think about those who go all year without the comforts you are giving up, so why don't you donate to this charity or worthy cause.
Yeah, I'm not precisely sure what you meant by this, Spectre.
See, you take 1 part "Lent is a ridiculous conceit", and 1 part "Inarticulate atheist", put them in a blender, and voilà.
But
Lent's a pretty good idea. You give up something you enjoy, teaching you self-restraint and frugality. And when I was a kid at church, the sermons always revolved around using this experience to think about those who go all year without the comforts you are giving up, so why don't you donate to this charity or worthy cause.
Not bad as far as religious beliefs/rituals go.
Jeez guys it was just an Achewood reference sorta kinda. Being in trouble is the real fake idea. I have nothing against religion or lent so long as people are reasonable about their beliefs.
See but achewood uses context and exposition to make its jokes arituclate
you used none of those things.
I am well aware of that and I didn't mean that I was very articulate then or even right now.
There's no need to be a bit of a douche about a simple misunderstanding.
I'm just pointing out the reasons why your joke did not have the intended effect.
Perhaps you are aware of those things now, so I guess I will not rub your nose it in iany more.
I was aware of the reasons as soon as I made the joke. I didn't expect anyone to get that it was from Achewood nor did I intend it to be funny specifically as a reference to Achewood, I just really like "X is a fake idea" as a phrase.
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My church generally uses the money from donations to feed the homeless and do other missionary/charity projects around town.
Since donations have dropped a bit, we've cut back from our program that helps people pay bills.
Lent is a time where you either give up something or do something extra. I think I'll just go to church on Weds. I was going to give up "Drugs, Sex, and Rock n' Roll" for Lent, but I think that'd be too much.
how is missionary "work" equitable to charity
Missionary work also often includes participating in social programs thereby spreading the gospel of compassion and yada yada.
Stuff like that, presumably.
now if they could just help people without lying to them
but no, that would be missing the point
The, uh
the "gospel of compassion" is just being nice and helping people in need.
There isn't a whole lot of "JESUS WILL SAVE YOU FROM YOUR POVERTY IF YOU OPEN YOUR HEART TO HIM" at soup kitchens.
Way to make sweeping generalizations about people trying to help others because it's the right thing to do, though. Good job with that.
oh i'm sure the promise of eternal life doesn't factor into it at all
i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad, i just don't think that a belief in absurd mysticism should be encouraged in anyone
See but achewood uses context and exposition to make its jokes arituclate
you used none of those things.
I am well aware of that and I didn't mean that I was very articulate then or even right now.
There's no need to be a bit of a douche about a simple misunderstanding.
I'm just pointing out the reasons why your joke did not have the intended effect.
Perhaps you are aware of those things now, so I guess I will not rub your nose it in iany more.
I was aware of the reasons as soon as I made the joke. I didn't expect anyone to get that it was from Achewood nor did I intend it to be funny specifically as a reference to Achewood, I just really like "X is a fake idea" as a phrase.
oh don't mind him
holy nihon's iron skull technique is powerful indeed.........................
oh i'm sure the promise of eternal life doesn't factor into it at all
i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad, i just don't think that a belief in absurd mysticism should be encouraged in anyone
Yes but you see "absurd mysticism" is a point of view, and one that smacks of condescending douchebaggery at that.
There's a whole big pile of secular improvement to the quality of life that goes hand in hand with the concept of the "eternal reward" in heaven, Fallout. So even if you prefer to ridicule the notion of an afterlife, and you're certainly not alone in that, it's fallacious and offensive to suggest that the reason any people of any religion do something is so they can have it good when they cash in their spiritual chips.
Generally I find it more fulfilling to do something extra for Lent alongside giving something up. For the last few years I've been making my way through the Gospels, and this year I'm up to the Gospel of Luke. I'm also giving up extraneous sugar.
Also, for all Catholics, a reminder that today is supposed to be a fasting day. So no meat, but also much less food in general.
If you're going to get technical, no birth control, sex before marriage, and give them 10% of your total income for the year.
what the hell? ten percent?
I always thought it was a "throw in a dollar if you like" sort of deal
so that means there's one church employee for each church-goer?
No, I believe it is based literally on a line from the Bible that dictates one give a certain percentage of income (or total wealth?) to charity/the Church each year.
tithing, 10%
I never tithed and I'm better off than my parents who do, so y'know.
that seems like a crazy amount of money
also I meant "one church employee for every 10 church-goers" because the other way doesn't make sense
I am not Catholic, but I have never been to a Church that demands you give them 10% of your money or else...
You don't have to be Catholic. In the town I grew up in, I went to a Baptist church for a while, and everyday it was either 1) talking about how everyone sins so bad, 2) talking about how you have to give money to the lord, 3) both. They had a building roughly equal in size to the Methodist church down the block, then they got a whole bunch of money from some millionaire old couple that died and left it all to the church and built MEGA CHURCH. It has lower seating and giant upper balcony seating, plus 2 screens to see the pastor's face, set at different angles so that if you are on the edges of the church you can still see one pretty well, plus a baptism water area like 50 feet up behind the pew with see-through glass so you can watch people getting baptised as they go into the water.
The area labeled "Chapel" plus the stuff to the left of it was the original building.
Unsurprisingly, this thing cost multi-millions of dollars, and so they were constantly asking for money in order to pay off their loan, .
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oh i'm sure the promise of eternal life doesn't factor into it at all
i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad, i just don't think that a belief in absurd mysticism should be encouraged in anyone
Yes but you see "absurd mysticism" is a point of view, and one that smacks of condescending douchebaggery at that.
you'll have to forgive me for not being able to muster up a whole lot of respect for a worldview centered around a belief in magic
i mean you think a guy died and then just walked it off
There's a whole big pile of secular improvement to the quality of life that goes hand in hand with the concept of the "eternal reward" in heaven, Fallout. So even if you prefer to ridicule the notion of an afterlife, and you're certainly not alone in that, it's fallacious and offensive to suggest that the reason any people of any religion do something is so they can have it good when they cash in their spiritual chips.
I volunteered with a religious organization that gave out furniture and whatnot to impoverished peoples. The only thing that made it religious was that everyone that worked there was hella about Jesus, and that after we gave the stuff to people we also offered them a crucifix. We were specifically instructed to respect people's decisions on whether they wanted it or not.
While I worked there I saw people reactions across the board, some would refuse it and some would break down crying and force us to say the rosary with them when we pulled it out.
So I think the point is that assuming religious association means forcing agendas down everyone's throat is pretty misguided, and a large majority of the people doing such work are actually doing it to help people, as opposed to it being a sinister conspiracy to convert and melt the brains of the masses.
Generally I find it more fulfilling to do something extra for Lent alongside giving something up. For the last few years I've been making my way through the Gospels, and this year I'm up to the Gospel of Luke. I'm also giving up extraneous sugar.
Also, for all Catholics, a reminder that today is supposed to be a fasting day. So no meat, but also much less food in general.
If you're going to get technical, no birth control, sex before marriage, and give them 10% of your total income for the year.
Not even just premarital sex. Cohabitation before marriage is also bad.
My wife's extended family is Catholic. I wonder how they felt about us living in sin before we were married.
Apparently I'm more important to them than their god. Heh.
oh i'm sure the promise of eternal life doesn't factor into it at all
i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad, i just don't think that a belief in absurd mysticism should be encouraged in anyone
Yes but you see "absurd mysticism" is a point of view, and one that smacks of condescending douchebaggery at that.
you'll have to forgive me for not being able to muster up a whole lot of respect for a worldview centered around a belief in magic
i mean you think a guy died and then just walked it off
There's a whole big pile of secular improvement to the quality of life that goes hand in hand with the concept of the "eternal reward" in heaven, Fallout. So even if you prefer to ridicule the notion of an afterlife, and you're certainly not alone in that, it's fallacious and offensive to suggest that the reason any people of any religion do something is so they can have it good when they cash in their spiritual chips.
When I was little we used to always give up chocolate for lent and then get tons of chocolate for easter
that was basically all I knew about being catholic
oh i'm sure the promise of eternal life doesn't factor into it at all
i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad, i just don't think that a belief in absurd mysticism should be encouraged in anyone
Yes but you see "absurd mysticism" is a point of view, and one that smacks of condescending douchebaggery at that.
you'll have to forgive me for not being able to muster up a whole lot of respect for a worldview centered around a belief in magic
i mean you think a guy died and then just walked it off
There's plenty of resons not to respect people. For acting like intolerant idiot douche bags is a pretty solid one. Sort of like you're being right now.
Thinking the world was made in 7 days by a giant dude with a beard isn't a good reason to disrespect someone as a person. Maybe they're a little gullible and you shouldn't ask them to help you cheat on a biology test, but what they believe about what happens to people AFTER THEY DIE doesn't strike me as being particularly relevant to how you treat them.
When was the last time you volunteered your time to help your fellow man? Deriding these people's efforts just because they think dinosaur bones are tools of Satan seems like a pretty big failure on your part to see the bigger picture.
When I was little we used to always give up chocolate for lent and then get tons of chocolate for easter
that was basically all I knew about being catholic
When I was little we used to always give up chocolate for lent and then get tons of chocolate for easter
that was basically all I knew about being catholic
yes, there are good side effects that come along with the religion, like feeding the hungry
there are also perfectly good secular philisophical reasons to believe that it's good to help your fellow man
there are fewer secular excuses for these guys
There are NO reasonable excuses for divisive intolerance.
There's plenty of bullshit excuses, but you sure don't need Jesus to be a racist, bigoted asshole. If you're coming that this from some retarded belief that all of our worlds problems will go away if everybody subscribes to an aethiest point of view, allow me to be the bearer of bad news: people are assholes whether they believe in the flying spaghetti monster or not.
oh i'm sure the promise of eternal life doesn't factor into it at all
i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad, i just don't think that a belief in absurd mysticism should be encouraged in anyone
Yes but you see "absurd mysticism" is a point of view, and one that smacks of condescending douchebaggery at that.
you'll have to forgive me for not being able to muster up a whole lot of respect for a worldview centered around a belief in magic
i mean you think a guy died and then just walked it off
There's plenty of resons not to respect people. For acting like intolerant idiot douche bags is a pretty solid one. Sort of like you're being right now.
Thinking the world was made in 7 days by a giant dude with a beard isn't a good reason to disrespect someone as a person. Maybe they're a little gullible and you shouldn't ask them to help you cheat on a biology test, but what they believe about what happens to people AFTER THEY DIE doesn't strike me as being particularly relevant to how you treat them.
When was the last time you volunteered your time to help your fellow man? Deriding these people's efforts just because they think dinosaur bones are tools of Satan seems like a pretty big failure on your part to see the bigger picture.
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Would implying that missionaries are liars and only help others to indoctrinate them fall under breaking your vow to not say anything bad about religion or religious people?
I'm just curious. I'm not religious at all myself.
So this year I'm really doing it. Yesterday I decided I'm giving up Subway, which is quite a sacrifice: I eat there twice a week and now I'll have to suffer through more dining hall food than usual.
Oh, now I see what you did there you sneaky devil
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Anyway, apparently a lot of people in Hollywood are Scientologists solely because it often makes it easier for them to get work.
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Yeah, I'm not precisely sure what you meant by this, Spectre.
The, uh
the "gospel of compassion" is just being nice and helping people in need.
There isn't a whole lot of "JESUS WILL SAVE YOU FROM YOUR POVERTY IF YOU OPEN YOUR HEART TO HIM" at soup kitchens.
Way to make sweeping generalizations about people trying to help others because it's the right thing to do, though. Good job with that.
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But
Lent's a pretty good idea. You give up something you enjoy, teaching you self-restraint and frugality. And when I was a kid at church, the sermons always revolved around using this experience to think about those who go all year without the comforts you are giving up, so why don't you donate to this charity or worthy cause.
Not bad as far as religious beliefs/rituals go.
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Jeez guys it was just an Achewood reference sorta kinda. Being in trouble is the real fake idea. I have nothing against religion or lent so long as people are reasonable about their beliefs.
I am very articulate you guys.
you used none of those things.
Might last more than 40 days though.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
I am well aware of that and I didn't mean that I was very articulate then or even right now.
There's no need to be a bit of a douche about a simple misunderstanding.
I'm just pointing out the reasons why your joke did not have the intended effect.
Perhaps you are aware of those things now, so I guess I will not rub your nose it in iany more.
I was aware of the reasons as soon as I made the joke. I didn't expect anyone to get that it was from Achewood nor did I intend it to be funny specifically as a reference to Achewood, I just really like "X is a fake idea" as a phrase.
oh i'm sure the promise of eternal life doesn't factor into it at all
i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad, i just don't think that a belief in absurd mysticism should be encouraged in anyone
oh don't mind him
holy nihon's iron skull technique is powerful indeed.........................
Yes but you see "absurd mysticism" is a point of view, and one that smacks of condescending douchebaggery at that.
There's a whole big pile of secular improvement to the quality of life that goes hand in hand with the concept of the "eternal reward" in heaven, Fallout. So even if you prefer to ridicule the notion of an afterlife, and you're certainly not alone in that, it's fallacious and offensive to suggest that the reason any people of any religion do something is so they can have it good when they cash in their spiritual chips.
You don't have to be Catholic. In the town I grew up in, I went to a Baptist church for a while, and everyday it was either 1) talking about how everyone sins so bad, 2) talking about how you have to give money to the lord, 3) both. They had a building roughly equal in size to the Methodist church down the block, then they got a whole bunch of money from some millionaire old couple that died and left it all to the church and built MEGA CHURCH. It has lower seating and giant upper balcony seating, plus 2 screens to see the pastor's face, set at different angles so that if you are on the edges of the church you can still see one pretty well, plus a baptism water area like 50 feet up behind the pew with see-through glass so you can watch people getting baptised as they go into the water.
The area labeled "Chapel" plus the stuff to the left of it was the original building.
Unsurprisingly, this thing cost multi-millions of dollars, and so they were constantly asking for money in order to pay off their loan,
you'll have to forgive me for not being able to muster up a whole lot of respect for a worldview centered around a belief in magic
i mean you think a guy died and then just walked it off
didn't i just fucking...
yes, there are good side effects that come along with the religion, like feeding the hungry
there are also perfectly good secular philisophical reasons to believe that it's good to help your fellow man
there are fewer secular excuses for these guys
While I worked there I saw people reactions across the board, some would refuse it and some would break down crying and force us to say the rosary with them when we pulled it out.
So I think the point is that assuming religious association means forcing agendas down everyone's throat is pretty misguided, and a large majority of the people doing such work are actually doing it to help people, as opposed to it being a sinister conspiracy to convert and melt the brains of the masses.
My wife's extended family is Catholic. I wonder how they felt about us living in sin before we were married.
Apparently I'm more important to them than their god. Heh.
LOL
And the secular excuse for this paragon of secularism?
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that was basically all I knew about being catholic
There's plenty of resons not to respect people. For acting like intolerant idiot douche bags is a pretty solid one. Sort of like you're being right now.
Thinking the world was made in 7 days by a giant dude with a beard isn't a good reason to disrespect someone as a person. Maybe they're a little gullible and you shouldn't ask them to help you cheat on a biology test, but what they believe about what happens to people AFTER THEY DIE doesn't strike me as being particularly relevant to how you treat them.
When was the last time you volunteered your time to help your fellow man? Deriding these people's efforts just because they think dinosaur bones are tools of Satan seems like a pretty big failure on your part to see the bigger picture.
Just remember, masturbation is a sin.
I am an atheist :winky:.
There's plenty of bullshit excuses, but you sure don't need Jesus to be a racist, bigoted asshole. If you're coming that this from some retarded belief that all of our worlds problems will go away if everybody subscribes to an aethiest point of view, allow me to be the bearer of bad news: people are assholes whether they believe in the flying spaghetti monster or not.
I like this post better than mine. I'ma go with this post instead.
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