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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Here is a question for Fallout; don't you think that if Christianity did not exist, those godhatesfags people would find some other reason to be hateful? They are awful because they are hateful people, and have been taught to be that way. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests the performance of actions like those they commit regularly.

    The worst of their actions has no basis in Christianity. They use it to legitimize their ridiculous and evil fringe beliefs.

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    VorusVorus Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    vsove wrote: »
    Vorus wrote: »
    When I was little we used to always give up chocolate for lent and then get tons of chocolate for easter
    that was basically all I knew about being catholic

    Just remember, masturbation is a sin.

    if god didn't want me to masturbate he wouldn't have invented kleenex

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Hunter wrote: »
    Harrier wrote: »
    Generally I find it more fulfilling to do something extra for Lent alongside giving something up. For the last few years I've been making my way through the Gospels, and this year I'm up to the Gospel of Luke. I'm also giving up extraneous sugar.

    Also, for all Catholics, a reminder that today is supposed to be a fasting day. So no meat, but also much less food in general.

    If you're going to get technical, no birth control, sex before marriage, and give them 10% of your total income for the year.

    Not even just premarital sex. Cohabitation before marriage is also bad.

    My wife's extended family is Catholic. I wonder how they felt about us living in sin before we were married.

    Apparently I'm more important to them than their god. Heh.

    My mother told me she wouldn't pay for my sisters wedding if she cohabitated with her boyfriend before they got married.


    I spent the next 15 minutes presenting her with the obvious fact that such a choice had literally zero impact on my mother's life and that such petty retribution made no sense in light of that fact.


    It was pretty awesome, she saw my point and everything and had no way to support the assertion.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Vorus wrote: »
    vsove wrote: »
    Vorus wrote: »
    When I was little we used to always give up chocolate for lent and then get tons of chocolate for easter
    that was basically all I knew about being catholic

    Just remember, masturbation is a sin.

    if god didn't want me to masturbate he wouldn't have invented kleenex

    Or KY.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Here is a question for Fallout; don't you think that if Christianity did not exist, those godhatesfags people would find some other reason to be hateful? They are awful because they are hateful people, and have been taught to be that way. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests the performance of actions like those they commit regularly.

    The worst of their actions has no basis in Christianity. They use it to legitimize their ridiculous and evil fringe beliefs.

    I'm glad someone beat me to this point.

    Bigots are bigots, whether they're Catholic or Atheist. Idiots like those in that picture give the rest of us a bad name.


    Shoot, Kevin Smith's a Catholic, and look at the stuff he makes films about.

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    sarukun wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    oh i'm sure the promise of eternal life doesn't factor into it at all

    i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad, i just don't think that a belief in absurd mysticism should be encouraged in anyone
    Yes but you see "absurd mysticism" is a point of view, and one that smacks of condescending douchebaggery at that.

    you'll have to forgive me for not being able to muster up a whole lot of respect for a worldview centered around a belief in magic

    i mean you think a guy died and then just walked it off
    There's a whole big pile of secular improvement to the quality of life that goes hand in hand with the concept of the "eternal reward" in heaven, Fallout. So even if you prefer to ridicule the notion of an afterlife, and you're certainly not alone in that, it's fallacious and offensive to suggest that the reason any people of any religion do something is so they can have it good when they cash in their spiritual chips.

    didn't i just fucking...
    Fallout wrote: »
    i never said that everything a christian ever touched was bad

    yes, there are good side effects that come along with the religion, like feeding the hungry

    there are also perfectly good secular philisophical reasons to believe that it's good to help your fellow man

    there are fewer secular excuses for these guys

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    And the secular excuse for this atheist?

    stalin.jpg

    ooh ooh lemme guess

    uhh... hunger for power, absolute paranoia at losing it and no remorse for anyone?

    the only thing that makes an atheist an atheist is a disbelief in a god, at the very least he wasn't failing to live up to any professed spiritual values afaik

    are you really gonna make me bust out the H word

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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Fallout wrote: »
    the only thing that makes an atheist an atheist is a disbelief in a god
    Fallout wrote: »
    the only thing that makes a theist a theist is a belief in a god

    HOLY SHIT LOOK WHAT I DID THERE

    PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN THEIR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION

    MORE AT 11

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wow, this thread got nasty fast

    good to know Fallout's still a dick, though

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    naporeon wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    I'd totally be giving up booze for Lent.

    If, you know, I were Catholic and not an alcoholic.

    Ain't nothing or nobody making me give up booze.
    Not even the sweet baby Jesus, and his angelic choir?

    Jesus bled and turned water into wine. It's not a request I see him making.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Fallout wrote: »
    ooh ooh lemme guess

    uhh... hunger for power, absolute paranoia at losing it and no remorse for anyone?

    the only thing that makes an atheist an atheist is a disbelief in a god, at the very least he wasn't failing to live up to any professed spiritual values afaik

    are you really gonna make me bust out the H word

    I'm baffled by this post.


    You just talked shit on people doing objectively good things because of their belief system

    and when people pointed out that the market for doing terrible shit is not cornered by religious fundamentalists, you point out that one of Stalin's up-sides was that he wasn't a hypocrite because he had not religious mantra to betray?

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Here is a question for Fallout; don't you think that if Christianity did not exist, those godhatesfags people would find some other reason to be hateful? They are awful because they are hateful people, and have been taught to be that way. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests the performance of actions like those they commit regularly.

    The worst of their actions has no basis in Christianity. They use it to legitimize their ridiculous and evil fringe beliefs.

    No, I don't think people are born destined to hate others for a given reason and then latch onto the nearest convenient justification. I think people have reasons for what they do, even if they're shitty ones.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I don't drink at all, so that's one criteria I don't have to worry about.

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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wow, this thread got nasty fast

    good to know Fallout's still a dick, though

    I don't think he's a dick at all, really, just super angry at the world.

    I fucking empathize.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    I'd totally be giving up booze for Lent.

    If, you know, I were Catholic and not an alcoholic.

    Ain't nothing or nobody making me give up booze.
    Not even the sweet baby Jesus, and his angelic choir?

    Jesus bled and turned water into wine. It's not a request I see him making.

    What's bleeding got to do with making water into wine?

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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Fallout wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Here is a question for Fallout; don't you think that if Christianity did not exist, those godhatesfags people would find some other reason to be hateful? They are awful because they are hateful people, and have been taught to be that way. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests the performance of actions like those they commit regularly.

    The worst of their actions has no basis in Christianity. They use it to legitimize their ridiculous and evil fringe beliefs.

    No, I don't think people are born destined to hate others for a given reason and then latch onto the nearest convenient justification. I think people have reasons for what they do, even if they're shitty ones.

    I don't think that either, but I think if you are born into and raised in an environment that reinforces the belief that not only is hate OK, but that there is a divine being that shares and encourages such feelings and actions, then I can see why they might think that way.

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    the only thing that makes an atheist an atheist is a disbelief in a god
    Fallout wrote: »
    the only thing that makes a theist a theist is a belief in a god

    HOLY SHIT LOOK WHAT I DID THERE

    PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN THEIR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION

    MORE AT 11

    i didn't..........

    i give up

    (still love you though)
    wow, this thread got nasty fast

    good to know Fallout's still a dick, though

    shouldn't you be jacking off on anime figures with sarukun somewhere

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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    oh hey a religious thread

    oh sweet someone being a condescending asshole towards religious beliefs

    glad things are right on track

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    I'd totally be giving up booze for Lent.

    If, you know, I were Catholic and not an alcoholic.

    Ain't nothing or nobody making me give up booze.
    Not even the sweet baby Jesus, and his angelic choir?

    Jesus bled and turned water into wine. It's not a request I see him making.

    What's bleeding got to do with making water into wine?

    Bleeds wine.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    I'd totally be giving up booze for Lent.

    If, you know, I were Catholic and not an alcoholic.

    Ain't nothing or nobody making me give up booze.
    Not even the sweet baby Jesus, and his angelic choir?

    Jesus bled and turned water into wine. It's not a request I see him making.

    What's bleeding got to do with making water into wine?

    Nothing. I am saying he bled wine (I'll bet he drank a lot) and made wine from water therefor alcohol isn't a no no as far as Jesus is concerned.

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    vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    sarukun wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    naporeon wrote: »
    I'd totally be giving up booze for Lent.

    If, you know, I were Catholic and not an alcoholic.

    Ain't nothing or nobody making me give up booze.
    Not even the sweet baby Jesus, and his angelic choir?

    Jesus bled and turned water into wine. It's not a request I see him making.

    What's bleeding got to do with making water into wine?

    Bleeds wine.

    And is made of bread.

    Jesus Party Snacks.

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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

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    Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    maybe fallout can give up posting for lent

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Here is a question for Fallout; don't you think that if Christianity did not exist, those godhatesfags people would find some other reason to be hateful? They are awful because they are hateful people, and have been taught to be that way. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests the performance of actions like those they commit regularly.

    The worst of their actions has no basis in Christianity. They use it to legitimize their ridiculous and evil fringe beliefs.

    No, I don't think people are born destined to hate others for a given reason and then latch onto the nearest convenient justification. I think people have reasons for what they do, even if they're shitty ones.

    I don't think that either, but I think if you are born into and raised in an environment that reinforces the belief that not only is hate OK, but that there is a divine being that shares and encourages such feelings and actions, then I can see why they might think that way.

    yeah, that's what i mean

    i mean, xenophobia is human nature, but i think not having the will of god himself on their side would definitely take the wind out of'em

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    wow, this thread got nasty fast

    good to know Fallout's still a dick, though

    I don't think he's a dick at all, really, just super angry at the world.

    I fucking empathize.

    Empathize all you want, his frustrations are misdirected and his fashion of dealing with them is juvinile.



    Just what the world needs more of.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    I think they came up with that so they'd have an excuse to get drunk at Mass.

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    Fire TruckFire Truck I love my SELFRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Fallout wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    the only thing that makes an atheist an atheist is a disbelief in a god
    Fallout wrote: »
    the only thing that makes a theist a theist is a belief in a god

    HOLY SHIT LOOK WHAT I DID THERE

    PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN THEIR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION

    MORE AT 11

    i didn't..........

    i give up

    (still love you though)

    If you concede this point, then I don't understand why you're being condescending/angry toward religious belief.

    My point with the Stalin thing was that people don't need religion to do heinous shit, and saying that heinous shit is worse when committed by religious nuts is hells of retarded.

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Cloudman wrote: »
    maybe fallout can give up posting for lent

    perhaps you could give up not resting your chin on my nuts

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Fallout wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Here is a question for Fallout; don't you think that if Christianity did not exist, those godhatesfags people would find some other reason to be hateful? They are awful because they are hateful people, and have been taught to be that way. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests the performance of actions like those they commit regularly.

    The worst of their actions has no basis in Christianity. They use it to legitimize their ridiculous and evil fringe beliefs.

    No, I don't think people are born destined to hate others for a given reason and then latch onto the nearest convenient justification. I think people have reasons for what they do, even if they're shitty ones.

    I don't think that either, but I think if you are born into and raised in an environment that reinforces the belief that not only is hate OK, but that there is a divine being that shares and encourages such feelings and actions, then I can see why they might think that way.

    yeah, that's what i mean

    i mean, xenophobia is human nature, but i think not having the will of god himself on their side would definitely take the wind out of'em

    It that you are as misguided as you imagine theists to be.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    Shut up.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Fallout wrote: »
    wow, this thread got nasty fast

    good to know Fallout's still a dick, though

    shouldn't you be jacking off on anime figures with sarukun somewhere

    I think you're thinking of someone else, dude. But thanks for the effort.

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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    sarukun wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    wow, this thread got nasty fast

    good to know Fallout's still a dick, though

    I don't think he's a dick at all, really, just super angry at the world.

    I fucking empathize.

    Empathize all you want, his frustrations are misdirected and his fashion of dealing with them is juvinile.



    Just what the world needs more of.

    I'm pretty sure posting about anything on this forum could be construed as juvenile.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    Nobody actually believes we are drinking real blood.

    It is religious symbolism and nothing more.

    fucking of course Jesus did not bleed wine.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    sarukun wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    wow, this thread got nasty fast

    good to know Fallout's still a dick, though

    I don't think he's a dick at all, really, just super angry at the world.

    I fucking empathize.

    Empathize all you want, his frustrations are misdirected and his fashion of dealing with them is juvinile.



    Just what the world needs more of.

    I'm pretty sure posting about anything on this forum could be construed as juvenile.

    Point, JohnHam.

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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Butters wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    Shut up.

    Look, dude, I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, can't you let me feel like the reams of sacramental knowledge I have are of some use to anyone, anywhere, ever?

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    sarukun wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    Nobody actually believes we are drinking real blood.

    It is religious symbolism and nothing more.

    fucking of course Jesus did not bleed wine.

    He bled Jamaican Rum actually. Remnants of it were found on the head of the spear of destiny.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    Shut up.

    Look, dude, I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, can't you let me feel like the reams of sacramental knowledge I have are of some use to anyone, anywhere, ever?

    If in Catholic school they taught you that you drink actual blood every Sunday because of magic, then I posit you did not actually go to Catholic school.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    Shut up.

    Look, dude, I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, can't you let me feel like the reams of sacramental knowledge I have are of some use to anyone, anywhere, ever?

    I went to Catholic school too. I am telling you to shut up because you aren't actually educating anyone. We all know this shit.

    So shut up.

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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    sarukun wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    Nobody actually believes we are drinking real blood.

    It is religious symbolism and nothing more.

    fucking of course Jesus did not bleed wine.

    Well, then you're not Catholic. It is a literal belief and is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Eucharist becomes his body as well.

    As I said, by far the most ridiculous thing Catholics are supposed to believe. I say supposed to because I can't honestly believe even the majority of them think that it's true.

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    NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    oh hey a religious thread

    oh sweet someone being a condescending asshole towards religious beliefs

    glad things are right on track

    yeah, but religious people deserve it. :p

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    JohnHamJohnHam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Butters wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    JohnHam wrote: »
    Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.

    Shut up.

    Look, dude, I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, can't you let me feel like the reams of sacramental knowledge I have are of some use to anyone, anywhere, ever?

    I went to Catholic school too. I am telling you to shut up because you aren't actually educating anyone. We all know this shit.

    So shut up.

    I see you're feeling typically sassy today.

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