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Bad cat behavior is bad

ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
edited September 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
We have a kitten who is about 8 months old, and is pretty bad. One behavior in particular is getting is annoyed though, only because we can't seem to stop it no matter what we've tried.

This cat loves playing with water.

The cats used to have a water feeder, with the upside-down bottle (fake culligan deal). He would put his paw on top of it and just yank it over. Twice a day, water all over the floor. So hey, we replaced that bowl with a new one. It's a nice heavy ceramic bowl. We have to fill it more often (four cats in the house), but that's ok.

Then he started grabbing the sides of the bowl and dragging it all over the floor, splashing the water on the floor as it moved. Grrr... we bought a floor mat with a lip on the edge so he couldn't drag the bowl around. Now? He's putting his front paws on that bowl and jumping to flip it over and throw the water all over the place.

We're looking for better solutions... we don't know what else to try. We have put some water in the sink for him to play with, but he just looks at us like we're crazy. He wants to flip that fucking bowl over. We want to not clean up water twice a day. Help? :P

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Sure, sure, he looks cute there. That's what he wants you to think.

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    Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    How big was your feeder? I actually use a 1 gallon dog feeder that my maine coon has trouble moving.

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    exmelloexmello Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    My cat loves playing with water too. Every time I find something she can't spill she eventually just figures out a way anyway. I have a large heavy metal water bowl with a wide rubber base sitting on a mat with a lip. I still find find the bowl on the opposite side of the apartment with a puddle of water every day when I get home from work. The worst part is she leave paw prints everywhere.

    She also likes to play in the tub after I have a shower and bat the water off the shower curtain.

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    underdonkunderdonk __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Steps to being smarter than your cat:

    1) Get a large plastic bowl
    2) Get a large piece of plywood
    3) Screw the large plastic bowl to the large piece of plywood
    4) Put on ground with bowl facing up
    5) Fill bowl with water

    Now bask in your dryness and watch as your cat doesn't have enough leverage to tip the bowl over and can't drag it around because it is screwed down.

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    PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you. in Beach CityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Get a wide, flat tile from the hardware store and superglue the water bowl to the tile. This way the cat can't tip it over, even if he jumps up and down on it all day.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Ahahaha, my cat used to do that too. Except he didn't tip it, he would just splash it out with his paws. I got him to stop by just barely filling it, so he had enough to drink, but not enough to play with. Of course I had only the one cat at the time, and the luxury of being home nearly constantly so I could make sure it didn't go empty.

    It was so funny to watch him though, as he stood there batting at it. It's hard to be mad at something so cute. I think it's an evolved defense mechanism.

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    jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Get one of those unflippable bowls maybe? Something like this that angles down and out so that when the animal tries to flip it they're just pushing it into the floor.

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    exmelloexmello Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    jclast wrote: »
    Get one of those unflippable bowls maybe? Something like this that angles down and out so that when the animal tries to flip it they're just pushing it into the floor.

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    This is the exact bowl I have. She still makes a mess. She drags it around the house jumping in and out of it and flicking water everywhere until there's none left.

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    DeathwingDeathwing Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    One of our cats used to *love* to do this when he was about the same age as yours - we have one of those fancy-schmancy pet fountains, and he loved to try and hook a paw under it so as to tip it over.

    It sounds like your best bet may be to get a larger feeder that they're physically unable to move, like Bionic Monkey mentioned - your kitten sounds like a very resourceful little guy. Ours is a 15 pound bruiser of a forest cat, and we finally had to get a fountain that's about 2x the previous size so he wouldn't keep trying to soak the carpet.....still tries to "drown" his toys in there every chance he gets though.

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    DrZiplockDrZiplock Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    This is not a bad cat.

    A bad cat will shit in your bed and puke in your shoes.

    This is a cat who has a slight...tick. I agree with the poster who mentioned getting a tile and then using a little epoxy to attach the bowl if it is that much of a problem. Kitty won't be able to flip it or drag it around. There isn't much you can do about the splashing though. If they want to touch the water, they're going to touch the water.

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    SideAffectsSideAffects Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'm not sure where I learned this, but I'm pretty sure cats are just more interested in moving water than in stagnant water. In fact, my gf's cat can't even drink if the water isn't moving...he just will dunk his whole head in the bowl to find the water. He learned to splash it a bit with his paw to get it moving so he could target it's depth correctly (at least that's what I figure). Maybe your cat would like one of those water bowls that has running water more?

    http://www.marvistavet.com/assets/images/cat_drinking_from_running_water_dish.gif

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    SideAffectsSideAffects Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Also I remember reading that some cats hate it when their whiskers touch the sides of the bowl

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    vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'm pretty sure cats are just more interested in moving water than in stagnant water. In fact, my gf's cat can't even drink if the water isn't moving...he just will dunk his whole head in the bowl to find the water. He learned to splash it a bit with his paw to get it moving so he could target it's depth correctly (at least that's what I figure). Maybe your cat would like one of those water bowls that has running water more?
    I was going to suggest one of those water fountain type bowls. One of my girlfriend's cats does the same thing, she paws at the water before she'll drink it. A preference for running water is probably a genetic adaptation, as it makes them less likely to get sick from drinking stagnant water.

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    OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yeah, my roommate's cat used to find any glasses of water that were left lying around and drink from them and stick her paw in them to wash her face. I'm pretty sure that stopped after I got an electric water fountain. That waterfall one linked earlier might be better than the one I have, since I remember reading on this board that some cats have an allergy to the plastic in the bowls. Mine is more like a little river running down from the top, rather than a waterfall, but luckily neither of the cats seem to be allergic to it. One of the neighbor's cats comes in to use it, too.

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    exmelloexmello Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Well in addition to just splashing water, my cat doesn't even know how to lap water at all. She drinks water by soaking her paw and licking the water off of it.

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    ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'd try one of the water fountain bowls like was linked above. If the cat insists on pushing it around, glue it down to something flat and heavy. If the cat insists on splashing the water out of it.... have towels handy and suck it up, there's really very little you can do about that one.

    I'd be pretty willing to bet that just getting the fountain bowl would solve your problem. Cats love drinking from running water and hate stagnate water. I'm betting that's the cause of your cat's messy bowl habits.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'm pretty sure cats are just more interested in moving water than in stagnant water. In fact, my gf's cat can't even drink if the water isn't moving...he just will dunk his whole head in the bowl to find the water. He learned to splash it a bit with his paw to get it moving so he could target it's depth correctly (at least that's what I figure). Maybe your cat would like one of those water bowls that has running water more?
    I was going to suggest one of those water fountain type bowls. One of my girlfriend's cats does the same thing, she paws at the water before she'll drink it. A preference for running water is probably a genetic adaptation, as it makes them less likely to get sick from drinking stagnant water.

    My Maine Coon did this until we got one of those fountain bowls, Then he stopped splashing the water and started rolling in it.

    So cute.

    Our solution was similar to the above. We secured a series of cheap towels and the fountain bowl to the cheap wooden table he gets fed on. Bowl does not move, and if he splashes only he gets wet and not everything in the kitchen.

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    GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    exmello wrote: »
    She also likes to play in the tub after I have a shower and bat the water off the shower curtain.

    Yeah, my cat's the same way. She gets between the shower curtains while I'm in there, and then hops in the tub to do whatever when I'm finished.
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    She's also big on hopping into the sink after we finish using it.



    While we're on the subject of bad kitten behavior, mine is about 6 months old and is still pretty fond of biting me. She's not a mean cat, she likes people and will just hang out when we have company. When it comes to me, however, a few times a day she'll casually walk over and attempt to take a bite out of my leg/arm/face. Is she trying to tell me something? Can I get her to stop doing this to me at this point in her development?

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    t_catt11t_catt11 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    DrZiplock wrote: »
    This is not a bad cat.

    A bad cat will shit in your bed and puke in your shoes.


    DrZiplock speaks the truth.

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    GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    t_catt11 wrote: »
    DrZiplock wrote: »
    This is not a bad cat.

    A bad cat will shit in your bed and puke in your shoes.


    DrZiplock speaks the truth.

    Last weekend I accidentally locked my kitten in a closet for 6 hours. To my amazement, she did not shit or pee in my shoes. Good kitty.

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    ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yeah, my cat's the same way. She gets between the shower curtains while I'm in there, and then hops in the tub to do whatever when I'm finished. She's also big on hopping into the sink after we finish using it.
    It's like we have the same cat.
    While we're on the subject of bad kitten behavior, mine is about 6 months old and is still pretty fond of biting me. She's not a mean cat, she likes people and will just hang out when we have company. When it comes to me, however, a few times a day she'll casually walk over and attempt to take a bite out of my leg/arm/face. Is she trying to tell me something? Can I get her to stop doing this to me at this point in her development?

    As soon as she does this, grab her by the scruff, pin her down and growl at her briefly, and then immediately remove yourself from her presence for 10-15 minutes, preferably by going to a room with a door you can shut.

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    underdonkunderdonk __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Erandus wrote: »
    Yeah, my cat's the same way. She gets between the shower curtains while I'm in there, and then hops in the tub to do whatever when I'm finished. She's also big on hopping into the sink after we finish using it.
    It's like we have the same cat.

    Awe, you guys can be kitten buddies.

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    t_catt11t_catt11 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    underdonk wrote: »
    Awe, you guys can be kitten buddies.

    Wow. Almost the second lime-worthy quote in this thread!

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    underdonkunderdonk __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    t_catt11 wrote: »
    underdonk wrote: »
    Awe, you guys can be kitten buddies.

    Wow. Almost the second lime-worthy quote in this thread!

    Almost?! Hey fuck you pal, I thought it was fantastically lime worthy.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited September 2009
    Erandus wrote: »
    While we're on the subject of bad kitten behavior, mine is about 6 months old and is still pretty fond of biting me. She's not a mean cat, she likes people and will just hang out when we have company. When it comes to me, however, a few times a day she'll casually walk over and attempt to take a bite out of my leg/arm/face. Is she trying to tell me something? Can I get her to stop doing this to me at this point in her development?

    As soon as she does this, grab her by the scruff, pin her down and growl at her briefly, and then immediately remove yourself from her presence for 10-15 minutes, preferably by going to a room with a door you can shut.

    My cat does this as well, and I usually do the above, but he gets twice as aggressive and bitey as soon as I make a motion to pin him down, so getting to that point can be a struggle, and he usually doesn't back off once he's pinned.

    The water bottle works well, though.

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    ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yeah, some cats don't take well to the grabbing/pinning. If yours does that, keep the water bottle handy. If you're suitably aggressive, most cats - especially kittens, should cower when scruffed and pinned.

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    GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Erandus wrote: »
    Yeah, some cats don't take well to the grabbing/pinning. If yours does that, keep the water bottle handy. If you're suitably aggressive, most cats - especially kittens, should cower when scruffed and pinned.

    Yeah mine just gets really vocal (she doesn't get vocal unless she's pissed off and/or very lonely), and then starts flipping out like the girl from the exorcist trying to bite/scratch my hand. This usually continues until I let go.

    Water bottle is probably a better way to go, i just get tired of carrying the thing around all the time.

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    ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The water bottle is really just to get her off you. Separating yourself from her is the actual punishment for her behavior. She wants to play, and you remove yourself from her presence. Eventually she'll realize that this style of rough play earns her not a reward of a quick tussle, but 10 minutes of boredom and loneliness.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited September 2009
    Yup, I have water bottles and cans of compressed air strategically placed about the house.

    (I don't spray the air on the cat, I just spray it so it makes the noise and he goes bolting for the bed/closet/bathroom/hiding spot)

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    DrZiplock wrote: »
    This is not a bad cat.

    A bad cat will shit in your bed and puke in your shoes.

    This is a cat who has a slight...tick. I agree with the poster who mentioned getting a tile and then using a little epoxy to attach the bowl if it is that much of a problem. Kitty won't be able to flip it or drag it around. There isn't much you can do about the splashing though. If they want to touch the water, they're going to touch the water.

    No, it is a bad cat. That is just one of his behaviors... like knocking shit off our shelves at 2am, scratching the hell out of door frames (a problem we're looking into ways of fixing)...

    He's also a lot of fun to play with, and we play with him a lot in an effort to exhaust him before we go to sleep. It doesn't work. :P

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited September 2009
    The knocking stuff off shelves is just him trying to get your attention.

    Like, I know my cat has filled his water bowl up with food or is out of water or needs a litter change if he starts knocking things over and making noises and just being really annoying in general.

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    ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    scratching the hell out of door frames (a problem we're looking into ways of fixing)...

    Double sided tape. Cats will refuse to put their paws on sticky stuff. Put it anywhere you don't want them scratching.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Erandus wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    scratching the hell out of door frames (a problem we're looking into ways of fixing)...

    Double sided tape. Cats will refuse to put their paws on sticky stuff. Put it anywhere you don't want them scratching.

    I don't know why I didn't think of this. I put double-sided tape on our DVR because the cats like to lie on it. Tanks for the idea.

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    exmello wrote: »
    Well in addition to just splashing water, my cat doesn't even know how to lap water at all. She drinks water by soaking her paw and licking the water off of it.

    D'awww

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    ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Delzhand wrote: »
    exmello wrote: »
    Well in addition to just splashing water, my cat doesn't even know how to lap water at all. She drinks water by soaking her paw and licking the water off of it.

    D'awww

    My friend's cat is so obese it licks it's butt by licking it's paw and using that to wipe it's ass, but that is decidedly less cute.

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    exmelloexmello Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    exmello wrote: »
    She also likes to play in the tub after I have a shower and bat the water off the shower curtain.

    Yeah, my cat's the same way. She gets between the shower curtains while I'm in there, and then hops in the tub to do whatever when I'm finished.
    p9250333.jpg

    She's also big on hopping into the sink after we finish using it.



    While we're on the subject of bad kitten behavior, mine is about 6 months old and is still pretty fond of biting me. She's not a mean cat, she likes people and will just hang out when we have company. When it comes to me, however, a few times a day she'll casually walk over and attempt to take a bite out of my leg/arm/face. Is she trying to tell me something? Can I get her to stop doing this to me at this point in her development?

    I have an almost identical picture.
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    Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    The knocking stuff off shelves is just him trying to get your attention.

    Like, I know my cat has filled his water bowl up with food or is out of water or needs a litter change if he starts knocking things over and making noises and just being really annoying in general.

    Heh, my maine coon just drags his water/food dish into the middle of the walkway into the kitchen, so we have to walk over it in order to get into the kitchen.

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