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Canadian Media: Non-racist?

AusteraAustera Registered User regular
edited October 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey H/A,

For my communications course, I got signed up for this debate where I have to support the non-existence of racism shown in Canadian media. I'd like to be confident about it, but personally I haven't been able to find much diversity anywhere lately, except in crime news (which is just a set-up for losing the debate). All I have so far is Vancouver's channel M. So, if you guys have any sources that might help me support the multiculturalism of our home and native land, please link away!

Examples can be:
ads, commercials, TV
posters
music, movies
news
etc etc.

Much appreciated.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Dude, you just took the job of the UN Weapons Inspector in Iraq.

    How do you prove something doesn't exist?

    Your opponent is Bush. They just need to find a few, isolated incidents that can be used to paint the whole.

    The best you can do is...

    -Corner Gas. Lorne Cardinal's character is in no way a native stereotype.
    -Little Mosque On The Prarie. Though I wouldn't risk it, as it would be just as easy for your opponent to turn this one against you.
    -North of 60, perhaps? It was a prime-time drama that explored life on a reserve.
    -I have absolutely no doubt there will be a laundry list of native-produced films or TV shows. We have the Aboriginal People's Television Network, don't we?
    -since Obama appeared on the world stage (am I a racist for noticing this?) black men are much more commonly depicted as The Boss in TV commercials. This is, of course, stereotyping - any degree of which still isn't cool - but it's better than seeing 100% white guys in that position.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    (Small PS3 text field = 2 posts.)

    An idea may be to address how much better things are now than they have been in the past. Watch any black & white movie featuring non-whites on Turner Classic Movies and you'll be dumbfounded by the depiction of minorities.

    You could also play clips of the two gold-tooth-sportin' jive-talkin' "we ain't much for readin'" robots from Transformers 2 and rally with the ancient battle cry of Canadian identity:

    "At least we're not Americans!"

    *

    In terms of news, I'm afraid only one non-white anchor comes to mind: Ian Hanomansig. Maybe we are racist.

    Y'know what? Check that. We are still racist.

    Edit: oh, and I think there's a show on Teletoon that's made by a Canadian production company called 6teen. It's got a sarcastic Asian girl and a neurotic black kid. They're opposite-racists. Which is still kinda' racist - but it's an example of media produced with the conceit of not reinforcing negative stereotypes.

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  • AusteraAustera Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    yeah, non-existence is impossible. I think I'm going to focus on reiterating how much diversity there is instead of concentrating on how much racism there is.

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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Hanomansing, last I paid attention, seemed pretty awesome, though. Not as awesome as Strombolopolus, but still!

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It's rather impossible to prove a negative, a viable strategy in these cases is to investigate what arguments your opponents will bring to the table and work on reflecting those.

    common counterpoints would be:

    *but that is 10 years ago! We are talking about contemporary media
    *you show how the black guy does something dumb, but what about this white guy doing something dumb, and this other white guy also doing something dumb. Black and white are treated equally.

    I'd watch out with countering with "but that show is imported", because if it is shown on Canadian TV it means someone in the media made the decision that the racism portrayed in that show wasn't really all that bad (prime examples: Borat, Team America, Mohammed the Dead Terrorist).

    I think that whoever made you pick this role hasn't really considered the implications: it's a lot easier to go "THATS RACIST!" as that immediately paints you as a racist, while you will have to do everything in your power to convince people that that poor coloured man is not treated unfairly.

    If the examples shown aren't very blatant it might be worthwhile to go with the Avenue Q approach...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM&feature=related

    lyrics

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  • SerpentSerpent Sometimes Vancouver, BC, sometimes Brisbane, QLDRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    A non racist media does not mean it is multi-cultural.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Is the wording of your assignment that you need to prove Canadian media is not racist, or that it accepts all races?

    If you're looking for multiculturalism, just look at the news team of your local news stations. If you don't find it there, check out CityTV in Toronto.

    News organizations will cater their news teams to their demographic. So, if there are a lot of East Indians who watch their station, they will hire East Indian anchors and/or reporters because they want their viewers to feel represented.

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  • Sir Red of the MantiSir Red of the Manti Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'd take the opposite approach with your argument. Assume racism exists in Canadian media and either fail to find examples, or find examples and attempt to prove the examples are not racist by definition. It would probably be a grand idea to contact the CBC in order to ascertain their definitions of and policies concerning racism on their stations, as racism is a topic the station has broadcast reports about on television and radio.

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  • WezoinWezoin Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Omni TV - multicultural tv channel

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  • PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you. in Beach CityRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Little Mosque on the Prairie is a good example because it not only shows racial diversity but it's creator is an Indian-Pakistani woman.

    As for the rest, I really don't know much about Canadian TV.

    I'll still say you're in for a struggle, though, since proving a negative is rather difficult.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Comparison might be helpful. What country is the gold standard for being not-racist? Does such a country exist?

    Would your argument still be considered a success if you proved that everybody is racist (as above) and that Canada is merely one of the least racist?

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  • WezoinWezoin Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Your best bet is to fight against whatever arguments they have, which unfortunately you won't know until they make them.

    I would be willing to bet a major element of their argument will be based around the news, and they'll probably pull out a statistic along the lines of "75% of crimes reported in media are committed by a minority!" or something. Your job is to find a statistic that says that minorities commit more crimes and frame it as a racial prejudice of society in general, forcing minorities into situations where crime is a favourable option, rather than the media. If you can't find one of those and they come up with "75% of crimes reported in the media are committed by a minority and 75% of crimes are committed by white people" your best bet is to claim that they can only report on the crimes that they are told about, and that perhaps people in society tend to report crimes by committed by minorities to news outlets more frequently.

    For movies and tv this works as well - if you can find a stat showing more crimes are committed by minorities then you can claim that the reason more negative portrayals exist is a tendency for producers to want to make their productions realistic, and that statistically speaking that means most crime portrayals should be of minorities. If you can't find a stat that says that blame their beliefs of minorities on the news, and point out again that this is the fault of society at large and that it does not necessarily show racism on behalf of the media.

    Basically, your argument should go something like this -
    Pro-diversity sources
    Weaknesses and flaws in their arguments
    a nice conclusion reiterating everything

    If they make their arguments first you may want to flip weaknesses and diversity sources, but I wouldn't. While you're going through pro-diversity sources look for more flaws, and if you have already said flaws in their arguments and then left and come back to the topic your argument will look unorganized which will weaken its effectiveness.

    Note: I'm not saying Minorities do commit more crimes or anything, this is just the stats I would keep a lookout for because I'm sure even if its not true you can probably find a source that claims it is.

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't hear about racism in canada land except against the aboriginies

    What you will have to accept is that everyone will think you are racist forever after this

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't hear about racism in canada land except against the aboriginies

    What you will have to accept is that everyone will think you are racist forever after this

    Especially if you call Native Americans "aboriginies."

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Figgy wrote: »
    I don't hear about racism in canada land except against the aboriginies

    What you will have to accept is that everyone will think you are racist forever after this

    Especially if you call First Nations Individuals "aboriginies."

    fixed, you horrible fucking racist :x
    :P

    Honestly, you're being set up to be the fall guy in my opinion. You're trying to prove a negative and you're trying to claim that the media is not racist. One racist article or viewpoint - and they're out there - and you're a horrible racist yourself for defending them.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    This is just a ridiculous assignment, and I have a feeling that the instructor didn't intend to word it the way we're reading it.

    You can't prove that racism does not exist in Canadian media, because it most certainly does. There's racism out there, somewhere, in some radio, television, or print outlets. What you can prove is that there are media outlets in Canada that exercise diversity whenever possible.

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  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
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