Thom, actually I have a work-type question for you.
The house I have bought has a crappily installed alarm with a few motion sensors, but no kick sensors or door sensors. Since I have housecats, this is totally useless to me and I want to disconnect it. Am I right in thinking that the best way to go about this is to turn of the electricity from the fusebox, open the panel (at which point the alarm will go off), disconnect the battery, then disconnect the battery in the external bell box? Anything I might be missing here that will leave me stuck with an alarm that I can't shut off?
Obviously there will be a ladder set up in advance and neighbours will be warned. Also ear defenders.
Thom, actually I have a work-type question for you.
The house I have bought has a crappily installed alarm with a few motion sensors, but no kick sensors or door sensors. Since I have housecats, this is totally useless to me and I want to disconnect it. Am I right in thinking that the best way to go about this is to turn of the electricity from the fusebox, open the panel (at which point the alarm will go off), disconnect the battery, then disconnect the battery in the external bell box? Anything I might be missing here that will leave me stuck with an alarm that I can't shut off?
Obviously there will be a ladder set up in advance and neighbours will be warned. Also ear defenders.
Everything there will turn off any alarm. Alarms would have already been sent to everyone who cares with a proper alarm that's connected to an alarm central.
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Beating poorly set up alarm systems is possible, but a well set up alarm system is just unbeatable.
Kinda. It's going to seem like splitting hairs, but it depends on what you mean by beating and what standard you're using for well set up. And it depends on what you're trying to protect. Take schools for instance. They are a bloody nightmare to secure. Insane numbers of entrances and exits. Lots of windows. A population that wouldn't think of security. Locking it down so tightly that you can't break in is impossible. So you work with a layered approach. And you accept that the system can be defeated, so you try to make it as annoying as possible within the limits the client allows.
There are very few places that are willing to accept the degree of annoyance and expense needed to make a system as close to unbreakable as you can.
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does anyone have a good guide to making a bumping key?
Most of the guides I found were "ok, so you file the key down to a bumping key. You're done."
this is treading into illegal territory here bud.
I'm not. In any way. Don't be stupid.
bump keys are illegal in most places as a breaking and entering tool. I wouldn't want to be caught by police carrying one. I was just giving a friendly caution about that.
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Way to oversimplify. There's a bit of difference between walking onto any ol' person's property and exploring (for example) a dilapidated hospital.
Why? Because one is cooler than the other?
They're both "any ol' person's property".
There was a bit of a spate of urban exploration types in Glasgow injuring themselves. Selfridges bought a site with a load of condemned buidlings on it and didn't do anything with it except let some of the demolition go ahead and put a 3 metre high fence around it.
People kept scaling the fence and dropping down the other side, without realising that the building that was demolished had two storeys of basement, so the drop is effectively three and a half storeys.
Beating poorly set up alarm systems is possible, but a well set up alarm system is just unbeatable.
Kinda. It's going to seem like splitting hairs, but it depends on what you mean by beating and what standard you're using for well set up. And it depends on what you're trying to protect. Take schools for instance. They are a bloody nightmare to secure. Insane numbers of entrances and exits. Lots of windows. A population that wouldn't think of security. Locking it down so tightly that you can't break in is impossible. So you work with a layered approach. And you accept that the system can be defeated, so you try to make it as annoying as possible within the limits the client allows.
There are very few places that are willing to accept the degree of annoyance and expense needed to make a system as close to unbreakable as you can.
Do you guys do custom security systems?
Like, say I wanted a system to not only alert me of intruders, but also to spray them with glue and feathers.
There was a bit of a spate of urban exploration types in Glasgow injuring themselves. Selfridges bought a site with a load of condemned buidlings on it and didn't do anything with it except let some of the demolition go ahead and put a 3 metre high fence around it.
People kept scaling the fence and dropping down the other side, without realising that the building that was demolished had two storeys of basement, so the drop is effectively three and a half storeys.
Justice! :P
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There was a bit of a spate of urban exploration types in Glasgow injuring themselves. Selfridges bought a site with a load of condemned buidlings on it and didn't do anything with it except let some of the demolition go ahead and put a 3 metre high fence around it.
People kept scaling the fence and dropping down the other side, without realising that the building that was demolished had two storeys of basement, so the drop is effectively three and a half storeys.
Justice! :P
To be honest, I was surprised by the number of people that will climb a three metre high solid fence (you can't see through it) and jump down the other side without looking.
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Yeah, until the train tunnel collapses on your head and your mom sues the city because her son was an idiot.
Just saying :P
guerilla art = graffiti, but only when it's illegal
Why?
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OMG, that kid is just ASKING FOR IT!
The house I have bought has a crappily installed alarm with a few motion sensors, but no kick sensors or door sensors. Since I have housecats, this is totally useless to me and I want to disconnect it. Am I right in thinking that the best way to go about this is to turn of the electricity from the fusebox, open the panel (at which point the alarm will go off), disconnect the battery, then disconnect the battery in the external bell box? Anything I might be missing here that will leave me stuck with an alarm that I can't shut off?
Obviously there will be a ladder set up in advance and neighbours will be warned. Also ear defenders.
Way to oversimplify. There's a bit of difference between walking onto any ol' person's property and exploring (for example) a dilapidated hospital.
I'll bring a camera
See above.
I have issues with property rights.
Go ahead, make my day.
this is treading into illegal territory here bud.
You have to try harder to look like a mugger.
Why? Because one is cooler than the other?
They're both "any ol' person's property".
Even worse, the other half is zoned for current Native Americans asking for change and drinking in gutter
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Everything there will turn off any alarm. Alarms would have already been sent to everyone who cares with a proper alarm that's connected to an alarm central.
Well, it's prime territory around Rexall Place during the hockey season. :P
I'm not. In any way. Don't be stupid.
Sup Mr. Feral?
Kinda. It's going to seem like splitting hairs, but it depends on what you mean by beating and what standard you're using for well set up. And it depends on what you're trying to protect. Take schools for instance. They are a bloody nightmare to secure. Insane numbers of entrances and exits. Lots of windows. A population that wouldn't think of security. Locking it down so tightly that you can't break in is impossible. So you work with a layered approach. And you accept that the system can be defeated, so you try to make it as annoying as possible within the limits the client allows.
There are very few places that are willing to accept the degree of annoyance and expense needed to make a system as close to unbreakable as you can.
whoops you're a twat
bump keys are illegal in most places as a breaking and entering tool. I wouldn't want to be caught by police carrying one. I was just giving a friendly caution about that.
It sure isn't.
@Feral: Why so blue, panda bear?
S'more than I'm getting.
That's neat.
Why am I a twat?
There was a bit of a spate of urban exploration types in Glasgow injuring themselves. Selfridges bought a site with a load of condemned buidlings on it and didn't do anything with it except let some of the demolition go ahead and put a 3 metre high fence around it.
People kept scaling the fence and dropping down the other side, without realising that the building that was demolished had two storeys of basement, so the drop is effectively three and a half storeys.
Do you guys do custom security systems?
Like, say I wanted a system to not only alert me of intruders, but also to spray them with glue and feathers.
That's Guerilla art.
Guerilla art /= Graffiti
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It isn't here, at all
And in the US as someone said you'd get harassed by the police for it probly, but bump keys are not illegal
Justice! :P
Oh... hmm... I've been misinformed.
tell me what's wrong with me exploring a building site at night
Yah it was my vacation this year. Took the Cat ferry up to Yarnouth from Bar Harbor Maine.
Wow that's amazing.
Other than the fact that it's probably a condemned death trap?
Work is driving me crazy.
As in, literally crazy. The last time I remember feeling like this was in high school.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Watching all the sludge go down that gutter though, gah, I can only imagine what that gutter connects to.
building as in construction?
Also, that just means it's dangerous, not wrong
Alright, I'm not going to argue with you further.
To be honest, I was surprised by the number of people that will climb a three metre high solid fence (you can't see through it) and jump down the other side without looking.
I saw an old igloo up in Greenland when I was there.
Seriously it was not a cool looking icedome like you see on the cartoons. It was just a shitty pile of mud.