also, mosques can still exist and there is no abridgment of religious freedoms
refusing to allow someone to build a particular religious structure because it's from a religious tradition they don't like doesn't count as an abridgment of freedom to you?
what?
not when it's superfluous and mosques exist without it, no
um that doesn't mean it's okay
for example! The star of David is not required in the Jewish faith to be displayed anywhere, so by your logic banning the use of that star on all buildings wouldn't be an abridgment of religious freedom
BUT IT TOTALLY WOULD
That's not quite the same, though. Symbology is closely analogous to language, while architecture is not.
Your structure is also inviting a "'nuh-uh' 'yeah-huh'" sorta deal. Don't do that. You aren't eight years old any more.
also, mosques can still exist and there is no abridgment of religious freedoms
refusing to allow someone to build a particular religious structure because it's from a religious tradition they don't like doesn't count as an abridgment of freedom to you?
what?
not when it's superfluous and mosques exist without it, no
um that doesn't mean it's okay
for example! The star of David is not required in the Jewish faith to be displayed anywhere, so by your logic banning the use of that star on all buildings wouldn't be an abridgment of religious freedom
BUT IT TOTALLY WOULD
That's not quite the same, though. Symbology is closely analogous to language, while architecture is not.
Your structure is also inviting a "'nuh-uh' 'yeah-huh'" sorta deal. Don't do that. You aren't eight years old any more.
also, mosques can still exist and there is no abridgment of religious freedoms
refusing to allow someone to build a particular religious structure because it's from a religious tradition they don't like doesn't count as an abridgment of freedom to you?
what?
not when it's superfluous and mosques exist without it, no
so it would be totally cool to ban stained glass windows or visible stars of david on the grounds that they are superfluous?
also i'm actually having trouble believing switzerland banning minarets is for real. it's too dumb.
"I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam." - geert wilders
That's actually an important distinction. There's a big difference between despising a belief and despising those who hold it. I'm not sure if it's any better, especially when you have a political leader openly expressing hatred for a religion, but there's difference.
also i'm actually having trouble believing switzerland banning minarets is for real. it's too dumb.
"I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam." - geert wilders
That's actually an important distinction. There's a big difference between despising a belief and despising those who hold it. I'm not sure if it's any better, especially when you have a political leader openly expressing hatred for a religion, but there's difference.
No there isn't. Not in this case. The guy is lying.
also, mosques can still exist and there is no abridgment of religious freedoms
refusing to allow someone to build a particular religious structure because it's from a religious tradition they don't like doesn't count as an abridgment of freedom to you?
what?
not when it's superfluous and mosques exist without it, no
um that doesn't mean it's okay
for example! The star of David is not required in the Jewish faith to be displayed anywhere, so by your logic banning the use of that star on all buildings wouldn't be an abridgment of religious freedom
BUT IT TOTALLY WOULD
That's not quite the same, though. Symbology is closely analogous to language, while architecture is not.
Your structure is also inviting a "'nuh-uh' 'yeah-huh'" sorta deal. Don't do that. You aren't eight years old any more.
nuh-uh
So you aren't not eight years old?
Is that what you're trying to say hear?
Does that mean you are eight years old?
Or is your age ambiguous?
Where you born in all times at once, as a sort of temporally omnipresent super-being?
also i'm actually having trouble believing switzerland banning minarets is for real. it's too dumb.
"I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam." - geert wilders
That's actually an important distinction. There's a big difference between despising a belief and despising those who hold it. I'm not sure if it's any better, especially when you have a political leader openly expressing hatred for a religion, but there's difference.
No there isn't. Not in this case. The guy is lying.
You can't honestly know that. Even if he is lying, one man expressing an idea dishonestly doesn't render the idea universally insignificant.
Either way, it's not the kind of idea you want to spread about a country's political system.
We don't like it when German-speaking politicians go about condemning minority religions in their countries.
I am honestly surprised it took this long
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also i'm actually having trouble believing switzerland banning minarets is for real. it's too dumb.
"I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam." - geert wilders
That's actually an important distinction. There's a big difference between despising a belief and despising those who hold it. I'm not sure if it's any better, especially when you have a political leader openly expressing hatred for a religion, but there's difference.
No there isn't. Not in this case. The guy is lying.
You can't honestly know that. Even if he is lying, one man expressing an idea dishonestly doesn't render the idea universally insignificant.
Either way, it's not the kind of idea you want to spread about a country's political system.
We don't like it when German-speaking politicians go about condemning minority religions in their countries.
also i'm actually having trouble believing switzerland banning minarets is for real. it's too dumb.
"I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam." - geert wilders
That's actually an important distinction. There's a big difference between despising a belief and despising those who hold it. I'm not sure if it's any better, especially when you have a political leader openly expressing hatred for a religion, but there's difference.
No there isn't. Not in this case. The guy is lying.
You can't honestly know that. Even if he is lying, one man expressing an idea dishonestly doesn't render the idea universally insignificant.
Either way, it's not the kind of idea you want to spread about a country's political system.
We don't like it when German-speaking politicians go about condemning minority religions in their countries.
It should should really be left up to local governments to decide whether they want to grant planning permission for minarets. Are they still used for calls to prayer five times a day, even in Switzerland, though?
It should should really be left up to local governments to decide whether they want to grant planning permission for minarets. Are they still used for calls to prayer five times a day, even in Switzerland, though?
It depends. All mosques make the call five times a day, it's part of the definition of the mosque. There are differences in the requirements based on sect, school, and local culture. Some make them from the minarets. Those without minarets and even some with them make it elsewhere. Some groups insist that it be made from a high place, some that it be made to be audible over a certain (usually vaguely defined) range, some just make a mostly symbolic call to the already-gathered congregation. It varies a lot, and is only loosely connected to whether or not the mosque has a minaret.
You can't really make demands as to what level of government certain responsibilities are laid on, unless it's your own. It isn't an issue of building codes, though. They aren't banning them based on their architectural features, only on their religious significance. A physically identical structure with no tie to Islam has no connection to the rhetoric being used here.
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All I am saying is when you see a huge chunk of your population quickly shift to foreigners who live off the government expect people (particularly your older citizens) to get pissed off. Hate groups feed on unhappy populaces.
#1. Genital mutilation is an AFRICAN tradition, not muslim. Muslims only cut your junk off if you are a hermaphrodite.
#2. There are white muslims, and asian, and hispanic. This is why Malcom X renounced violence as un-islamic and why the nation of Islam assassinated him.
#3. This dude is small time, like saddler. Looks a lot like him too, can we get a photoshop going of that?
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next dutch election gonna be hilarious, labour is in like 5th place, socialist is in 3rd and democrats 66 in 2nd
god you don't even know how right you are
That's not quite the same, though. Symbology is closely analogous to language, while architecture is not.
Your structure is also inviting a "'nuh-uh' 'yeah-huh'" sorta deal. Don't do that. You aren't eight years old any more.
also i'm actually having trouble believing switzerland banning minarets is for real. it's too dumb.
I could understand it if there were like 94,000 of them or something.
nuh-uh
I actually disagreed with that a bit.
dont hate the playas
hate the game
so it would be totally cool to ban stained glass windows or visible stars of david on the grounds that they are superfluous?
That's actually an important distinction. There's a big difference between despising a belief and despising those who hold it. I'm not sure if it's any better, especially when you have a political leader openly expressing hatred for a religion, but there's difference.
But then I watched two seconds of it and was reminded how terrible of an idea that was and that it doesn't need to be posted anywhere at all ever.
So yeah.
Not a good guy.
Er, maybe this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jUuzdfqfc
Fucking crazy.
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No there isn't. Not in this case. The guy is lying.
So you aren't not eight years old?
Is that what you're trying to say hear?
Does that mean you are eight years old?
Or is your age ambiguous?
Where you born in all times at once, as a sort of temporally omnipresent super-being?
Is that what made you so stupid?
That look like a logo for a boy-pop band.
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You can't honestly know that. Even if he is lying, one man expressing an idea dishonestly doesn't render the idea universally insignificant.
Either way, it's not the kind of idea you want to spread about a country's political system.
We don't like it when German-speaking politicians go about condemning minority religions in their countries.
this thread was already godwin'd
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showpost.php?p=12609060&postcount=33
Switaerland is starting the Tenth Crusade.
It depends. All mosques make the call five times a day, it's part of the definition of the mosque. There are differences in the requirements based on sect, school, and local culture. Some make them from the minarets. Those without minarets and even some with them make it elsewhere. Some groups insist that it be made from a high place, some that it be made to be audible over a certain (usually vaguely defined) range, some just make a mostly symbolic call to the already-gathered congregation. It varies a lot, and is only loosely connected to whether or not the mosque has a minaret.
You can't really make demands as to what level of government certain responsibilities are laid on, unless it's your own. It isn't an issue of building codes, though. They aren't banning them based on their architectural features, only on their religious significance. A physically identical structure with no tie to Islam has no connection to the rhetoric being used here.
I blame immigration policies that are even dumber than the United States'.
first of all, "were you born"
second of all, yes,
and third of all, I'm not.
#2. There are white muslims, and asian, and hispanic. This is why Malcom X renounced violence as un-islamic and why the nation of Islam assassinated him.
#3. This dude is small time, like saddler. Looks a lot like him too, can we get a photoshop going of that?
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
I'm a neurotic nerd who likes to sleep with little girls
that's not fair
that could be any of us
to which I said "You're a parabola"
and he said "no I am not a parabola"
and I did an impression of him, which consisted of my pointing my arms such that they looked like a parabola.