Crackdown + Halo 3 beta = Irrational hate. Wh

VacuumJockey

So MicroSoft decides to do a little crosspromotion of a new IP, and puts a Halo 3 demo/beta in with their newest sci-fi/action game, Crackdown -- and hell breaks loose on the IntarWeb. Why exactly does this set people off?

Is it because MicroSoft charges money for a beta? That I can kinda see. But you get a fully playable, admittedly non-Halo game with this demo -- doesn't that sweeten the deal?

Is it because Halo-fans simply cannot abide any other game sharing discspace with their precious Halo? If so, I recommend psychiatric counseling, or maybe just growing up.

Why? Why, why, why are people freaking out over the fact that MicroSoft has the unbelievable nerve [shakes fist in impotent rage] to release the beta multiplayer subsection -- that's right, a beta* fragment of Halo 3 -- bundled with one of their new releases? Does it friggin' matter?

Face it, they could bundle that demo with Hello Kitty's Island Adventure, and the very people who bitch would preorder that sucker anyway. So why all the venom? Is it to lessen the pain of being a little fanboy beeoytch?

Seriously, I want to know. 'Cos my first reaction when I heard that dedicated fans** would be able to playtest the demo was: "Cool". In fact, I still think it is cool. It's an option, take it or leave it.

I really don't get the haters. But I wish MS had bundled the beta with Viva Pinata. That would have been cool.

* And we all remember that betas usually are... less than perfect, right?
** Defined as "anyone with 60 bucks in their pocket come feb. 20"

PiptheFair

human beings are generally retarded and will complain about anything regardless of circumstance

Blitz Rawket

This is a great strategy to promote a new IP. And last I checked, most console BETAs don't get publicly released anyway, so getting it at all, free or not, is pretty much charity.

slash000

Wait, what are people complaining about? Because I haven't heard any complaining yet.


They put a beta demo in with some other game or something? Big deal. I like it when devs/pubs do that anyway.

Crayon

Because Halo attracts the high-school/college gamer whose only other game is Madden, you know the one-everyone knows that guy.

PiptheFair

Crayon wrote:

Because Halo attracts the high-school/college gamer whose only other game is Madden, you know the one-everyone knows that guy.

What is this. What are you doing?

Renzo

People want a free beta of Halo 3 with their purchase of Halo 3. Or something retarded like that. I know I'm buying Crackdown anyway unless the demo convinces me otherwise. The beta is only a bonus.

Duchess Prozac

Did Konami get this much flak when they bundled the MGS2 demo with ZOE?

Aoi

PipTheFair wrote:

human beings are generally retarded and will complain about anything regardless of circumstance

I think you summed it up pretty well.

VacuumJockey

slash000 wrote:

Wait, what are people complaining about? Because I haven't heard any complaining yet.

Not here. Here: http://forums.xbox.com/9435834/ShowPost.aspx

Zhou

You have absolutely no idea how many copies of Crackdown this will sell.

NO IDEA.

slash000

Duchess Prozac wrote:

Did Konami get this much flak when they bundled the MGS2 demo with ZOE?

Not to my knowledge.

I can't think of any instance of people complaining about this, at least not here, but I don't pay close attention to Halo happenings. Nor do I see why it's a big deal. Who cares?


It's not even a demo of a game. It's the kind of thing you boot up one time, think to yourself, "Hey, that's kind of neat," and turn it off and forget about it.

FreddyD

Because they beta is only on certain copies?

Renzo

Dang. I may as well just wait until later in the day of Crackdown's release. It'll be all over used shelves.

JJ

Zhou wrote:

You have absolutely no idea how many copies of Crackdown this will sell.

NO IDEA.

All of them.

Kewop Decam

WHAT THE!? YOU SHOULD GIVE US FREE STUFF!!! WTF MAN!@!!!

I WANT FREESTUFF!!!

FUCK THIS PLANET! I'M GOING TO THE MOON!!!

FUCK YOU GUYS!!!

Renzo

slash000 wrote:

Duchess Prozac wrote:

Did Konami get this much flak when they bundled the MGS2 demo with ZOE?

Not to my knowledge.

I can't think of any instance of people complaining about this, at least not here, but I don't pay close attention to Halo happenings. Nor do I see why it's a big deal. Who cares?


It's not even a demo of a game. It's the kind of thing you boot up one time, think to yourself, "Hey, that's kind of neat," and turn it off and forget about it.

I know it sounds crazy, but there are people who buy one or two games a year and play the shit out of them. Like Halo and Halo 2 online. There will be people who get this beta and play only that as long as they're able to.

Lork

Hey, my $60 MGS2 demo came with a free game!

twodwarrior

Though I don't necessarily agree with all of the OP's rant, this is, essentially, a fruitless argument. Did we collectivley, as gamers, spit hate at Konami when they released Zone of the Enders with a MGS2 demo? No. Did we curse Squaresoft for "forcing" us to buy Tobal No. 1 just to glimpse the opening minutes of Final Fantasy 7? Hecks, no. So why the MS hate? It really makes no sense. From a business persepctive, MS has done a great job of ensuring an otherwise shaky, original IP will move a TON of units. And for us as gamers, look at it this way: we could've bought Crackdown and had nothing extra included. Now, our $60 investment has a good deal of extra value because of the Halo 3 beta. I don't see the cause for the hate.

Zephos

well, since this isnt the only way to get in the beta, i vote what the hell is he complaining for?

Renzo

Zephos wrote:

well, since this isnt the only way to get in the beta, i vote what the hell is he complaining for?

Yeah there are what, 3 ways to get into it?

Hoz

listen up dickwad- I bet anyone here could beat ur *** including me and im 16

Now I need to get some anti-depressants.

Zephos

Renzo wrote:

Zephos wrote:

well, since this isnt the only way to get in the beta, i vote what the hell is he complaining for?

Yeah there are what, 3 ways to get into it?

yep.
http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/01/03/539753.aspx

Rook

One of my flatmates brothers works at Real Time Worlds, and the problem they were having with Crackdown is that everyone that played it thought it was a really great game. Yet the buzz for the game wasn't even lukewarm. I think Shadowrun has a similar problem. Anyways, looks like they figured out a nice way to solve their problem, even if it is for the wrong reasons.

edit: I thought the topic had something to do with Irrational Games for a while, like they were snubbing Bioshock for Crackdown.

Renzo

Rook wrote:

One of my flatmates brothers works at Real Time Worlds, and the problem they were having with Crackdown is that everyone that played it thought it was a really great game. Yet the press and the buzz for the game wasn't even lukewarm. I think Shadowrun has a similar problem. Anyways, looks like they figured out a nice way to solve their problem, even if it is for the wrong reasons.

Yeah that's confusing me too. The first article I read about it more than a year ago sounded great, and the product that I've seen in videos has delivered on that. Co-op GTA with superpowers. What is not awesome about that?

Aoi

Renzo wrote:

Zephos wrote:

well, since this isnt the only way to get in the beta, i vote what the hell is he complaining for?

Yeah there are what, 3 ways to get into it?

Not to mention the sign up that happened on Bungie's site a month or two ago, PLUS they're giving out a ton of codes to gaming sites to give away too. People complain because they love to complain. :P

Zephos

Aoi wrote:

Renzo wrote:

Zephos wrote:

well, since this isnt the only way to get in the beta, i vote what the hell is he complaining for?

Yeah there are what, 3 ways to get into it?

Not to mention the sign up that happened on Bungie's site a month or two ago, PLUS they're giving out a ton of codes to gaming sites to give away too. People complain because they love to complain. :P

from that site i linked though i guess only 2 ways now, that signup a bit ago was the 3rd, and ya cant do it any longer.

VacuumJockey

Sorry dudes, I didn't mean to come off all ranty, but I've never seen such anger over receiving a freebie before.

I guess I just got caught off-guard. There sure are a lot of lamers at the official X-box boards! :shock:

Renzo

VacuumJockey wrote:

Sorry dudes, I didn't mean to come off all ranty, but I've never seen such anger over receiving a freebie before.

I guess I just got caught off-guard. There sure are a lot of lamers at the official X-box boards! :shock:

It just depends on where you go. Most people here are pretty cool. Might want to stick around.

Zephos

but its not a demo, its a beta test.


you should be thankful they are making it this easy.

Renzo

Zephos wrote:

but its not a demo, its a beta test.


you should be thankful they are making it this easy.

Not to mention the fact that they're giving the people a chance to play the game and influence its development. But normal people won't think of it that way. They'll expect a finished chunk of game.

VacuumJockey

Renzo wrote:

It just depends on where you go. Most people here are pretty cool. Might want to stick around.

Agreed, people here are nice. I've actually been registered here for a while, but I seldom post -- I just drop by once in a while to feel the good vibes.

Rohan

Kewop Decam wrote:

WHAT THE!? YOU SHOULD GIVE US FREE STUFF!!! WTF MAN!@!!!

I WANT FREESTUFF!!!

FUCK THIS PLANET! I'M GOING TO THE MOON!!!

FUCK YOU GUYS!!!

I love this forum

StriderEdge

Whats funny is I think less people would complain if they sold the Beta for $60 on its own and didn't pack it with Crackdown.

Oh and Zone of the Enders is awesome but short. I sold the MGS2 Demo for $50 and kept Zone of the Enders. Yes... someone wanted to play MGS2's demo and not get ZOE... and they were willing to pay the same amount as they would have buying ZOE with the demo.

Kewop Decam

StriderEdge wrote:

Whats funny is I think less people would complain if they sold the Beta for $60 on its own and didn't pack it with Crackdown.

Oh and Zone of the Enders is awesome but short. I sold the MGS2 Demo for $50 and kept Zone of the Enders. Yes... someone wanted to play MGS2's demo and not get ZOE... and they were willing to pay the same amount as they would have buying ZOE with the demo.

o_O

did you sell it on eBay?

ToadTheMushroom

StriderEdge wrote:

Whats funny is I think FEWER people would complain if they sold the Beta for $60 on its own and didn't pack it with Crackdown.

Oh and Zone of the Enders is awesome but short. I sold the MGS2 Demo for $50 and kept Zone of the Enders. Yes... someone wanted to play MGS2's demo and not get ZOE... and they were willing to pay the same amount as they would have buying ZOE with the demo.

See, humans will bitch about anything.

StriderEdge

Kewop Decam wrote:

StriderEdge wrote:

Whats funny is I think less people would complain if they sold the Beta for $60 on its own and didn't pack it with Crackdown.

Oh and Zone of the Enders is awesome but short. I sold the MGS2 Demo for $50 and kept Zone of the Enders. Yes... someone wanted to play MGS2's demo and not get ZOE... and they were willing to pay the same amount as they would have buying ZOE with the demo.

o_O

did you sell it on eBay?

No. I sold it to someone working at Gamestop the day after it came out. They still had copies of ZOE for sale as well. If I had thought of it at the time I would have charged him gas money for making me drive back home to pick up the demo. I feel I made the right choice though.

Edit: Oh shit, you are going to correct my grammar Toad? Thats a full time job sir. Wait til I start spelling the word 'probably' as 'probaly' or'probally' because I seem to do that alot. Anyways language changes, so if I continue typing and speaking the way I do the MLA will have no choice but to conform to my ways. Don't be the MLAs bitch.

darleysam

see, i've been interested in Crackdown for a while, but probably would've waited to play the demo or for the release before buying it, but it was the Halo 3 beta that pushed me into the "yeah, might as well pre-order" camp. And if i happen to get a copy without it, well i'll be a little bummed, but it's not like i'm getting a game i don't want. Crackdown looks all kinds of awesome.

Taramoor

Crackdown has been banned in Germany.

Looks like no Halo 3 MP Beta in Deutschland.

Kriz

StriderEdge wrote:

Whats funny is I think less people would complain if they sold the Beta for $60 on its own and didn't pack it with Crackdown.

exactly. do not underestimate Halo's mainstream popularity.

Dusda

Taramoor wrote:

Crackdown has been banned in Germany. Looks like no Halo 3 MP Beta in Deutschland.

Every time I see Deutschland, I read it as 'Doucheland.' Anyway I'm sure they'll get in through any one of the 428628653 other ways to the beta.