By scripted, he means Dyscord. Congrats on your promotion, Dyscord.
Also: Shaka is demanding Guilds. Give it up, or tell him to fuck off?
Nope, we are in the middle of a millitary buildup anyways. We can blitz France, grab a couple of juicy cities and if he tries to take advantage of the situation I am pretty sure we can make peace with France and rush to the other front. Just make sure you have the cities which Shaka would most likely attack well defended. And check when he is looking for a war target.
We shall decide next update. Our power margin with Louis is a full 2.0 and there is a good sized stack of doom sitting near him. So things are prepared!
Update coming when I sort everything out.
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The Government has been reformed! Merchants, Artists, and Scientists will now select Governors! Governors will select the Cabinet. The people sort of have a say! There is a middle class! My life is difficult!
We sell Rice to the Maya. Yay income!
A Master Blacksmith appears in Silver Snakes. He gives us +1 Hammer as long as the Forge there isn't destroyed. Sweet!
mrt144's plan to produce a Priest is a success. He quickly makes the Taoist holy building, inserting a market/grocer into the build queue of Pi-Dongbury.
Now is the part of Sprockets when we build wonders. Lots and lots of Wonders. Many of which we will be appropriating momentarily. Also note: Shaka switched to Free Religion, so he built Shwedagon Paya.
We've reached the Renaissance! No longer shall we be dominated by the religious! Ideas spring forth from our citizens.
Alchemist is now known as the Inventor. Priests cannot be the Inventor. Engineers are now eligible for the position.
We entered the Renaissance by researching Education. Universities are now available to build. Also Castles from Engineering, but those are less exciting. I did insert one in Wangian's build queue though as it is surrounded by Zulus.
We got another Great Prophet, somewhat unfortunately. WotanAnubis, this one is you! Should note that the Islamic shrine is not built and we are likely to come into possession of it soon enough. But you can do whatever with it. Lightbulb is Theology or Divine Right if we get Theology in a trade. Also of note: we are very, very powerful. And Shaka is building a fucking ton of cities. He's going to be a serious problem soon.
The AIs REALLY like Astronomy. Shaka started Gunpowder after finishing paper.
Oh, and he's friendly with two AIs, because we totally need that.
Brennus likes us! We can trade with him.
The current tech tree, there's also Compass and Optics back on the left. We could probably jump all the way to Rifles strangely soon if we wanted. Enough of those would make Shaka way, way easier.
We've got the second largest religion in the world. Also: pretty sure the other continent/islands/whatever don't have any religion at all. Interesting!
I didn't take a shot, but we have a fairly serious Stack of Doom in one of our cities. You'll see it when the governor posts the shot. And we have twice France's power. So we should probably crush them.
Officially:
Declare War on France?
Assuming that passes: here are the French cities in a spoiler. We need a BATTLE PLAN from Grand Marshal Hippie, and a Keep/Raze vote on some of them. Others we are keeping no matter what for various reasons, which I will note when discussing them.
Rouen is built literally directly on the road from East Schlongville to Wangian. Every square in its BFC is a grassland or commerce-y resource. We're keeping it so Shaka doesn't have a city that can cut off Wangian.
Avignon is meh, but is the Islamic holy city. And so it should pay for itself (especially if WotanAnubis keeps that Priest around).
Chartres will eventually be useful. Can probably backfill it later though. What say you, Egypt?
I don't like where Marseilles is, but it has the Sistine Chapel. Hmph.
Orleans is pretty nice AND has the Hagia Sophia. Keeping it.
Christian holy city, shrine built, has hills and iron, should be a decent production city, especially if there's some seafood to feed it.
Duh, keeping it. (Two Marble! And they're industrious! Crazy)
Why does the AI waste gold squares like this? Why? I hate this city, but Brennus is going to rebuild it. What say you?
Tours is pretty meh. I have no opinion about Tours. You guys choose.
Bum's recommended battle plan: Drive through Tours to Paris and Rheims, crippling the French. Then mop up.
Plan for the French Rump Vote
1) Genocide
2) Peace, keep them independent
3) Peace, Vassalize them after acquisition of priority war aims (Paris, Rheims, Orleans, Marseilles)
Finally:
We need to re-structure our governance. I would like to make states for our governors with two or three cities in each one. This will streamline things, create better unity, and more importantly, lessen the hassle of running this thing (if we keep all the French cities that would be 21 Governors). Each new state would have one governor and one representative, to be voted on by the members of all cities within the state. Arcadia would remain independent.
Sub-proposition - If Aye wins (even if you vote nay, vote on this) should each state hold
a) two cities
b) three cities
c) a geographically appropriate number of cities
If this motion passes, I'll draw something up after we conquer France.
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By scripted, he means Dyscord. Congrats on your promotion, Dyscord.
Also: Shaka is demanding Guilds. Give it up, or tell him to fuck off?
What's our power relative to Shaka anyway? Cause I severely want to "share" the knowledge of Guilds with him after we're done "sharing" the knowledge of Guilds with France.
RG will have to weigh in with the official Dickerdale vote, but my two cents:
If it's viable, we should exterminate the French completely. I say keep all cities except Chartres (we can rebuild it later, if we really want to) and Lyon (throw Brennus a bone, as he's the only one on the continent that actually likes us)
As for the governmental restructuring, I'm in favor of it, leaning towards option C. This imperial governance thing is hard work!
In regards to the French, I say option A: Genocide. The less enemies to deal with, the better.
On condensing the government and making actual states, I vote for option B. If we keep every French city, as you stated, we would have 21 cities; 7 governors sounds like a fair number for our empire.
For our tech tree, I think that after Replaceable Parts, we should go for Rifling; it will make warfare so much easier. So:
Printing Press -> Replaceable Parts -> Rifling -> Music -> Military Tradition
If you guys think it is necessary, we can throw Banking in between Rifling and Music. You know, to help stabilize the economy after/during our upcoming war and such.
Liberalism can wait for now. We aren't in any big threat anytime soon of losing it; the other civs that we know don't even have Philosophy yet, and in order to research Liberalism you require Philosophy.
Chop/build Forbidden Palace or Versailles in Paris asap to maximize its benefit and decrease our maintenance dramatically. If we can build Versailles that means we can hold of on build the FP until later and possibly put it much further south on the continent once we have spread.
We need to trade for Compass/Optics asap and build a couple caravels to go exploring. Given how large our empire is it behooves us to have more of the map explored by this point. (remember caravels ignore borders, arent ocean faring, but can still uncover a lot of the map for us)
We don't need to rush for Astronomy like the AI's are, instead go for Military Tradition. Research Nationalism and work on building the Taj Mahal. Then go for Liberalism, use the free tech for Military Tradition, golden age from the Taj will allow us to crank down the slider to make more money and upgrade all our mounted units to curaissers, which destroy longbowmen/macemen/pikemen once trebs knock down the culture, not to mention being great defensive units. Then click on Rifling and let it backfill all the techs we need for that. Riflemen/Cavalry will pretty much ensure we can conquer the rest of the entire continent in short order.
All of the AI's are wasting a large number of turns racing for Astronomy in order to make contact with the other continents. We need to take advantage of that by pushing hardcore for Curaissers/Cavalry in order to wipe them all out while we have a distinct military tech advantage.
It might even be worthwhile to simply DoW Pacal, take a city or two and see if he capitulates, then give him back those two cities. He'll never be able to manage the 50% mark in population to break free. Same goes for Brennus. Yeah, we're buddy buddy now, but we can be buddy, buddy with him under our thumb as well. Plus as vassals they partially contribute to our domination threshold while not bleeding our coffers dry with more city maintenance.
Edit: Governance - I propose we do like the Romans did. Western, core, Eastern. Reps from each city in those three regions decide which rep will govern that province, and the province governor will collect build orders for their cities and funnel it to the head honcho.
Even if we take the whole continent I don't think we'll be near the threshold for a Domination victory. Big and Small large map has a crapload of usable space and we havent even see the other continent yet. Pull up the victory page and see what % we are at now. I would be shocked if we're over 20% given we don't even dominate 50% of this continent yet. If Shaka has that many cities that means there is a serious chunk of land down south we havent seen yet.
Given our current tech pace we will easily get to the modern age before we have completely filled in this continent and have it fully developed.
Edit: Governance - I propose we do like the Romans did. Western, core, Eastern. Reps from each city in those three regions decide which rep will govern that province, and the province governor will collect build orders for their cities and funnel it to the head honcho.
Too be fair, the romans only did that when their empire was full of fail. which our empire is distinctly not.
Assuming that passes: here are the French cities in a spoiler. We need a BATTLE PLAN from Grand Marshal Hippie, and a Keep/Raze vote on some of them. Others we are keeping no matter what for various reasons, which I will note when discussing them.
I vote keep all French cities bar Lyons. Let Brennius have Lyons to keep him happy.
We should be thinking about National wonders and such like - it looks like one of the French coastal cities (Chartres perhaps) would be a good slot for Moai Statues.
Plan for the French Rump Vote
1) Genocide
2) Peace, keep them independent
3) Peace, Vassalize them after acquisition of priority war aims (Paris, Rheims, Orleans, Marseilles)
I vote (c) genocide - pretty obvious really given as I think we should be keeping practically all of the French cities.
We need to re-structure our governance. I would like to make states for our governors with two or three cities in each one.
I vote aye to a reorganisation into states (the fact that I am currently a governor has no bearing on this vote - honest).
Sub-proposition - If Aye wins (even if you vote nay, vote on this) should each state hold
a) two cities
b) three cities
c) a geographically appropriate number of cities
I vote (c) geographically appropriate states - let's not get hung up on fitting states into some kind of template.
They are weak so we can wipe them out completely, and not worry about cities rebelling again because of culture and whatnot. I think we should keep all cities with perhaps gifting Lyon, but I will leave this up to our Queen.
For reorganizing governorship Yay with c) a geographically appropriate number of cities
It makes sense as our empire grows bigger to have governors assigned to multiple cities.
BTW I am a representative and citizen of Pinto for the sake of updates in the original post.
I'd have to say put the frogs to the torch (War to the Genocide!)
I don't have an opinion on raze/keep of cities, but giving Brennus a bone would work.
I'm going with the majority here and saying geographic states.
I agree with the above. I have no real opinion on the French cities as far keep/torch. Save Liberalism, but definitely pick up some economic techs soon - we need more trade routes.
Keep the great wall city; not sure which one it is in. It's likely that that city also has a great spy or scotland yard in it (if not, some other city should, so look before we torch it); whichever city has this resource can instantly become our own glorious nation's spy capital... how fitting!
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If we have enough military units before the next city update, I'd like to put a Grocer and, if you grab the tech, a Bank into Los Wangeles's queue. More conquest does mean more upkeep for a bit assuming we don't liberally but strategically torch stuff.
You guys crack me up. Everyone wants to build a bunch of buildings in their city and have a bunch of specialists without even thinking about what good those things will do.
Djonganet has a ton of commerce potential, yet it only has a library and is building a treb; ditch the treb and focus on commerce multiplying buildings while letting high production cities build units.
Pi-Dongbury is trying to run a specialist economy despite the fact that it isn't even close to its happiness cap and all its tiles are farmed for maximum pop, yet is building a gold bonus building that will hardly help given its religion has only spread to one other city; skip the buildings and crank out missionaries, then once your gold income has increased then build the +25% gold buildings.
E Schlongville: yah! high commerce city building commerce multiplier buildings.
Silver Snakes: is building a military unit while working tiles for commerce, while using 3 specialists and over the health limit? Focus. If you want to build units then move from food/commerce tiles to production tiles.
Coitus: has a artist specialist, presumably for border pushing. Border pushing is pointless given that the French wont have any borders here real soon. Instead switch to production and start cranking out more military units or produce gold in order to upgrade our archers to longbowmen.
Lesbion shouldnt even think about a market and a grocer given how little commerce it produces and yet how awesome its production capacity is.
If you wanted to play a specialist economy you should have picked a philosophical leader, cause a ton of those GPPs are going to waste and those specialists are not contributing very much to most of the cities.
Everyone keeps thinking "well we have enough military units to beat Louis" and you are right. We probably do. But also keep in mind that every new city is going to need a defender or two, plus we are going to suffer losses in war. See our power rating compared to Shaka's? That is going to go down with every loss we suffer, and Shaka hates us, so it is not unreasonable to think he might attack us while we are thinned out. It is always better to go into a war knowing that victory is absolutely certain, than it is to leave any doubt and potentially end up in a protracted war. Not to mention that the Apostolic Palace adds all sorts of difficulty in warmongering and it behooves us to capture it asap.
Really, any high commerce city should focus on commerce multipliers and everyone else should focus on military or missionaries. At 50% slider settings we'd break even, which is fine at this point given our tech situation. Focus on one thing at a time, if that focus is destroying Louis, then balls to the wall and smash his face in. Markets don't smash faces :P
Meh, if people want to learn the meta game then civfanatics has tons of guides about it. And its not really micromanaging its more about focusing cities on what they can do best. High production cities with low commerce shouldn't bother with buildings that target commerce. Yeah they will get some small benefit from them over time, but every hammer spent on a building with a limited bonus is a hammer not spent on a unit to keep our power score high enough to fend off that vulture down south.
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Nope, we are in the middle of a millitary buildup anyways. We can blitz France, grab a couple of juicy cities and if he tries to take advantage of the situation I am pretty sure we can make peace with France and rush to the other front. Just make sure you have the cities which Shaka would most likely attack well defended. And check when he is looking for a war target.
mrt144, since you're here:
He'll trade Literature, Compass, Theology.
We can offer Civil Service, Guilds, Philosophy, and Paper.
Anything you want to try?
Also can get crabs for Sugar. We're a little light on healthiness.
Also: Shaka has Iron. And SEVENTEEN cities. Fucking Ikhanda.
Update coming when I sort everything out.
The Government has been reformed! Merchants, Artists, and Scientists will now select Governors! Governors will select the Cabinet. The people sort of have a say! There is a middle class! My life is difficult!
We sell Rice to the Maya. Yay income!
A Master Blacksmith appears in Silver Snakes. He gives us +1 Hammer as long as the Forge there isn't destroyed. Sweet!
mrt144's plan to produce a Priest is a success. He quickly makes the Taoist holy building, inserting a market/grocer into the build queue of Pi-Dongbury.
Now is the part of Sprockets when we build wonders. Lots and lots of Wonders. Many of which we will be appropriating momentarily. Also note: Shaka switched to Free Religion, so he built Shwedagon Paya.
We've reached the Renaissance! No longer shall we be dominated by the religious! Ideas spring forth from our citizens.
Alchemist is now known as the Inventor. Priests cannot be the Inventor. Engineers are now eligible for the position.
We entered the Renaissance by researching Education. Universities are now available to build. Also Castles from Engineering, but those are less exciting. I did insert one in Wangian's build queue though as it is surrounded by Zulus.
We got another Great Prophet, somewhat unfortunately. WotanAnubis, this one is you! Should note that the Islamic shrine is not built and we are likely to come into possession of it soon enough. But you can do whatever with it. Lightbulb is Theology or Divine Right if we get Theology in a trade. Also of note: we are very, very powerful. And Shaka is building a fucking ton of cities. He's going to be a serious problem soon.
The AIs REALLY like Astronomy. Shaka started Gunpowder after finishing paper.
Oh, and he's friendly with two AIs, because we totally need that.
Brennus likes us! We can trade with him.
The current tech tree, there's also Compass and Optics back on the left. We could probably jump all the way to Rifles strangely soon if we wanted. Enough of those would make Shaka way, way easier.
We've got the second largest religion in the world. Also: pretty sure the other continent/islands/whatever don't have any religion at all. Interesting!
I didn't take a shot, but we have a fairly serious Stack of Doom in one of our cities. You'll see it when the governor posts the shot. And we have twice France's power. So we should probably crush them.
Officially:
Declare War on France?
Assuming that passes: here are the French cities in a spoiler. We need a BATTLE PLAN from Grand Marshal Hippie, and a Keep/Raze vote on some of them. Others we are keeping no matter what for various reasons, which I will note when discussing them.
Rouen is built literally directly on the road from East Schlongville to Wangian. Every square in its BFC is a grassland or commerce-y resource. We're keeping it so Shaka doesn't have a city that can cut off Wangian.
Avignon is meh, but is the Islamic holy city. And so it should pay for itself (especially if WotanAnubis keeps that Priest around).
Chartres will eventually be useful. Can probably backfill it later though. What say you, Egypt?
I don't like where Marseilles is, but it has the Sistine Chapel. Hmph.
Orleans is pretty nice AND has the Hagia Sophia. Keeping it.
Christian holy city, shrine built, has hills and iron, should be a decent production city, especially if there's some seafood to feed it.
Duh, keeping it. (Two Marble! And they're industrious! Crazy)
Why does the AI waste gold squares like this? Why? I hate this city, but Brennus is going to rebuild it. What say you?
Tours is pretty meh. I have no opinion about Tours. You guys choose.
Bum's recommended battle plan: Drive through Tours to Paris and Rheims, crippling the French. Then mop up.
Plan for the French Rump Vote
1) Genocide
2) Peace, keep them independent
3) Peace, Vassalize them after acquisition of priority war aims (Paris, Rheims, Orleans, Marseilles)
Finally:
We need to re-structure our governance. I would like to make states for our governors with two or three cities in each one. This will streamline things, create better unity, and more importantly, lessen the hassle of running this thing (if we keep all the French cities that would be 21 Governors). Each new state would have one governor and one representative, to be voted on by the members of all cities within the state. Arcadia would remain independent.
Sub-proposition - If Aye wins (even if you vote nay, vote on this) should each state hold
a) two cities
b) three cities
c) a geographically appropriate number of cities
If this motion passes, I'll draw something up after we conquer France.
What's our power relative to Shaka anyway? Cause I severely want to "share" the knowledge of Guilds with him after we're done "sharing" the knowledge of Guilds with France.
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What can we get for Paper straight up?
Let's do Sugar for Crabs.
Literature, Compass, his map, 10 gold (that's all he's got).
Let's do it.
I suggest that we wait until Paris is ours before we shrine the Great Prophet.
The Zulu city sites suck. They're all going to be put to the torch.
Also, now available:
National Epic (either Pi-Dongbury or Paris's wonders)
Heroic Epic
Forbidden Palace
If it's viable, we should exterminate the French completely. I say keep all cities except Chartres (we can rebuild it later, if we really want to) and Lyon (throw Brennus a bone, as he's the only one on the continent that actually likes us)
As for the governmental restructuring, I'm in favor of it, leaning towards option C. This imperial governance thing is hard work!
On condensing the government and making actual states, I vote for option B. If we keep every French city, as you stated, we would have 21 cities; 7 governors sounds like a fair number for our empire.
For our tech tree, I think that after Replaceable Parts, we should go for Rifling; it will make warfare so much easier. So:
Printing Press -> Replaceable Parts -> Rifling -> Music -> Military Tradition
If you guys think it is necessary, we can throw Banking in between Rifling and Music. You know, to help stabilize the economy after/during our upcoming war and such.
Liberalism can wait for now. We aren't in any big threat anytime soon of losing it; the other civs that we know don't even have Philosophy yet, and in order to research Liberalism you require Philosophy.
And yeah, Banking is 3/4 turns at the moment, so I may just grab it at some point.
Chop/build Forbidden Palace or Versailles in Paris asap to maximize its benefit and decrease our maintenance dramatically. If we can build Versailles that means we can hold of on build the FP until later and possibly put it much further south on the continent once we have spread.
We need to trade for Compass/Optics asap and build a couple caravels to go exploring. Given how large our empire is it behooves us to have more of the map explored by this point. (remember caravels ignore borders, arent ocean faring, but can still uncover a lot of the map for us)
We don't need to rush for Astronomy like the AI's are, instead go for Military Tradition. Research Nationalism and work on building the Taj Mahal. Then go for Liberalism, use the free tech for Military Tradition, golden age from the Taj will allow us to crank down the slider to make more money and upgrade all our mounted units to curaissers, which destroy longbowmen/macemen/pikemen once trebs knock down the culture, not to mention being great defensive units. Then click on Rifling and let it backfill all the techs we need for that. Riflemen/Cavalry will pretty much ensure we can conquer the rest of the entire continent in short order.
All of the AI's are wasting a large number of turns racing for Astronomy in order to make contact with the other continents. We need to take advantage of that by pushing hardcore for Curaissers/Cavalry in order to wipe them all out while we have a distinct military tech advantage.
It might even be worthwhile to simply DoW Pacal, take a city or two and see if he capitulates, then give him back those two cities. He'll never be able to manage the 50% mark in population to break free. Same goes for Brennus. Yeah, we're buddy buddy now, but we can be buddy, buddy with him under our thumb as well. Plus as vassals they partially contribute to our domination threshold while not bleeding our coffers dry with more city maintenance.
Edit: Governance - I propose we do like the Romans did. Western, core, Eastern. Reps from each city in those three regions decide which rep will govern that province, and the province governor will collect build orders for their cities and funnel it to the head honcho.
I NEVER nuke people, but I think we need to nuke people.
Given our current tech pace we will easily get to the modern age before we have completely filled in this continent and have it fully developed.
Too be fair, the romans only did that when their empire was full of fail. which our empire is distinctly not.
Would be a fun thing to play around with the world builder and give you a multiplayer scenario at the end. Maybe.
Anyway, for what it's worth, I think my Great Prophet will wait until the Islamic Holy City has been taken and then build the Shrine there.
I'm all for it.
The proposed battle plan is sound. Hit Tours on the way to Paris and Rheims, then Orleans and Marseilles. After that it's just a matter of mopping up.
As for the votes:
Wipe them out... all of them!
and
Aye to the forming of states. Define them by the geography.
Aye.
I vote keep all French cities bar Lyons. Let Brennius have Lyons to keep him happy.
We should be thinking about National wonders and such like - it looks like one of the French coastal cities (Chartres perhaps) would be a good slot for Moai Statues.
I vote (c) genocide - pretty obvious really given as I think we should be keeping practically all of the French cities.
I vote aye to a reorganisation into states (the fact that I am currently a governor has no bearing on this vote - honest).
I vote (c) geographically appropriate states - let's not get hung up on fitting states into some kind of template.
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Travathian speaks wisdom.
War with France? Aye
Goal of the war? Genocide
Restructuring? Aye, geographically appropriate states
Create states, with (c)geographically appropriate city counts
Raze Tours and give Lyons to Brennus, since if he resettled there he might move north and get the gold.
On the tech front, go for rifles just 'cause it's hilarious to get them so early.
1,) Conquer all!
They are weak so we can wipe them out completely, and not worry about cities rebelling again because of culture and whatnot. I think we should keep all cities with perhaps gifting Lyon, but I will leave this up to our Queen.
For reorganizing governorship
Yay with c) a geographically appropriate number of cities
It makes sense as our empire grows bigger to have governors assigned to multiple cities.
BTW I am a representative and citizen of Pinto for the sake of updates in the original post.
I don't have an opinion on raze/keep of cities, but giving Brennus a bone would work.
I'm going with the majority here and saying geographic states.
I agree with the above. I have no real opinion on the French cities as far keep/torch. Save Liberalism, but definitely pick up some economic techs soon - we need more trade routes.
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Djonganet has a ton of commerce potential, yet it only has a library and is building a treb; ditch the treb and focus on commerce multiplying buildings while letting high production cities build units.
Pi-Dongbury is trying to run a specialist economy despite the fact that it isn't even close to its happiness cap and all its tiles are farmed for maximum pop, yet is building a gold bonus building that will hardly help given its religion has only spread to one other city; skip the buildings and crank out missionaries, then once your gold income has increased then build the +25% gold buildings.
E Schlongville: yah! high commerce city building commerce multiplier buildings.
Silver Snakes: is building a military unit while working tiles for commerce, while using 3 specialists and over the health limit? Focus. If you want to build units then move from food/commerce tiles to production tiles.
Coitus: has a artist specialist, presumably for border pushing. Border pushing is pointless given that the French wont have any borders here real soon. Instead switch to production and start cranking out more military units or produce gold in order to upgrade our archers to longbowmen.
Lesbion shouldnt even think about a market and a grocer given how little commerce it produces and yet how awesome its production capacity is.
If you wanted to play a specialist economy you should have picked a philosophical leader, cause a ton of those GPPs are going to waste and those specialists are not contributing very much to most of the cities.
Everyone keeps thinking "well we have enough military units to beat Louis" and you are right. We probably do. But also keep in mind that every new city is going to need a defender or two, plus we are going to suffer losses in war. See our power rating compared to Shaka's? That is going to go down with every loss we suffer, and Shaka hates us, so it is not unreasonable to think he might attack us while we are thinned out. It is always better to go into a war knowing that victory is absolutely certain, than it is to leave any doubt and potentially end up in a protracted war. Not to mention that the Apostolic Palace adds all sorts of difficulty in warmongering and it behooves us to capture it asap.
Really, any high commerce city should focus on commerce multipliers and everyone else should focus on military or missionaries. At 50% slider settings we'd break even, which is fine at this point given our tech situation. Focus on one thing at a time, if that focus is destroying Louis, then balls to the wall and smash his face in. Markets don't smash faces :P
Also, if you want to show off idealized micro play, you should make an LP! It's only a little bit of work writing wise!
We dont care that our towns aren't optimized, its just to play around.
Does the city have a Grocer yet? If not, it needs one!
Beyond that, I have this handy checklist in lieu of my normal build queue format.
Do we have enough knights to wipe out France and possibly counter an attack by Shaka? If not, build more knights!
We do have enough knights? Then build a University or Bank, depending if our funds or research is in worse shape.
Do we still have enough knights? If not, build some more!
Now build whatever building we didn't.
Now build more units.
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Since everyone hanging around in this thread plays (or, is at least familiar with) Civ IV... do you use any mods with it? I'm seeing a pile of "we assume you have this" mods in the big Civ forums. Like interface mods that stray very close towards the line of altering gameplay altogether.
WHEOOHRN, indeed.