Extramarital sex has always existed and is impossible to control. Having no means of contraception will not in any way prevent anyone from sticking their meat up a meathole. Only then you got the Catholic church piping in with "remember kids, always plant your seed". The main problem is that the church assumes that people just plain won't fuck if you don't tell them to. Solving AIDS with abstinence is like solving diabetes with not eating.
You wanna lose weight? That's easy folks, just don't eat. Remember, you're going to hell if you eat veggies.
Except abstinence isn't harmful to your physical health in any way whatsoever.
It is when you inevitably end up fucking anyway and have been told that fucking with condoms is worse than just fucking and oops guess what she has AIDS.
The church is trying to control something it knows nothing about and assumes can just be wished away.
I don't disagree with any of this. I am just explaining that their intentions are as sinister as bongi is making them out to be. They are religious, they fear for these people's souls as they are living in sin, and that's why they take the stances that they do.
Their stances are leading to the death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people, and are not making any serious attempts to stop that
Ohhh but never mind that because they believe that it's bad for peoples' souls
Nevermind then, I guess the Catholic Church is a force for good afterall
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Their stances are leading to the death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people, and are not making any serious attempts to stop that
Ohhh but never mind that because they believe that it's bad for peoples' souls
Nevermind then, I guess the Catholic Church is a force for good afterall
They're weighing their deaths vs an eternity in hell and again they don't want these people to die from aids. They want them not have premarital sex which can lead to HIV.
Hey Butters you should kill your parents because it's good for your soul. My god told me to tell you this, and I'm passing it along to you because I worry about your soul. I just want you to live forever in heaven.
Their stances are leading to the death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people, and are not making any serious attempts to stop that
Ohhh but never mind that because they believe that it's bad for peoples' souls
Nevermind then, I guess the Catholic Church is a force for good afterall
They're weighing their deaths vs an eternity in hell and again they don't want these people to die from aids. They want them not have premarital sex which can lead to HIV.
it seems like the church could probably focus on other matters where church doctrine doesn't directly contribute to the spread of a horrible illness. it's not like they're totally unaware of the tens of millions of people with hiv/aids. i feel like surely there are more pressing spiritual matters than avoiding contraception.
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Hey Butters you should kill your parents because it's good for your soul. My god told me to tell you this, and I'm passing it along to you because I worry about your soul. I just want you to live forever in heaven.
I'm a force for good in the world.
I wouldn't recommend it as I am not religious and I don't think the catholic church would recommend killing your parents either.
Their stances are leading to the death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people, and are not making any serious attempts to stop that
Ohhh but never mind that because they believe that it's bad for peoples' souls
Nevermind then, I guess the Catholic Church is a force for good afterall
They're weighing their deaths vs an eternity in hell and again they don't want these people to die from aids. They want them not have premarital sex which can lead to HIV.
Regardless, they are lying to people in order to try and further their own dubious agenda re: souls, and in doing so causing measurable death and suffering.
Notice: the claim that you should not have sex before marriage is perfectly compatible with the claim that condoms prevent the spread of AIDS.
I mean if they weren't compatible they still wouldn't be a force for good but at least they wouldn't be lying through their teeth.
For that argument to work you'd have to prove that abstinence is actually better for you than having sex.
Uh...no I don't. Lack of harm and benefit are not the same thing.
Yes you do, because alcohol is bad for you. Your argument relies on that fact. You have to prove that sex is bad for you or the analogy fails, dude.
No alcohol in excess is bad for you and your argument relies on abstaining from sex being harmful to your health. It's not.
It pretty much entirely depends upon what you take to be the baseline and then what you take to be better or worse.
I mean if you're just gonna be arbitrary about it let's just say that drinking is perfectly healthy and that the health effects you get from not drinking are just 'benefits'.
Hey Butters you should kill your parents because it's good for your soul. My god told me to tell you this, and I'm passing it along to you because I worry about your soul. I just want you to live forever in heaven.
I'm a force for good in the world.
I wouldn't recommend it as I am not religious and I don't think the catholic church would recommend killing your parents either.
Yeah okay sure I was totally serious and trying to convert you to my fucked up cult instead of trying to drive a point through by using hyperbole.
Why is the national security community treating the "Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010," introduced by Sens. John McCain and Joseph Lieberman on Thursday as a standard proposal, as a simple response to the administration's choices in the aftermath of the Christmas Day bombing attempt? A close reading of the bill suggests it would allow the U.S. military to detain U.S. citizens without trial indefinitely in the U.S. based on suspected activity. Read the bill here, and then read the summarized points after the jump.
According to the summary, the bill sets out a comprehensive policy for the detention, interrogation and trial of suspected enemy belligerents who are believed to have engaged in hostilities against the United States by requiring these individuals to be held in military custody, interrogated for their intelligence value and not provided with a Miranda warning.
(There is no distinction between U.S. persons--visa holders or citizens--and non-U.S. persons.)
Not that I expect anything less from the old-fuck conservative circus inhabited by McCain and Lieberman.
jesus fuck no
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Hey Butters you should kill your parents because it's good for your soul. My god told me to tell you this, and I'm passing it along to you because I worry about your soul. I just want you to live forever in heaven.
I'm a force for good in the world.
I wouldn't recommend it as I am not religious and I don't think the catholic church would recommend killing your parents either.
Yeah okay sure I was totally serious and trying to convert you to my fucked up cult instead of trying to drive a point through by using hyperbole.
You sure got me.
Your use of hyperbole is flawed as the church isn't suggesting people harm themselves. In fact they are suggesting the opposite.
Their stances are leading to the death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people, and are not making any serious attempts to stop that
Ohhh but never mind that because they believe that it's bad for peoples' souls
Nevermind then, I guess the Catholic Church is a force for good afterall
They're weighing their deaths vs an eternity in hell and again they don't want these people to die from aids. They want them not have premarital sex which can lead to HIV.
Their stances are leading to the death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people, and are not making any serious attempts to stop that
Ohhh but never mind that because they believe that it's bad for peoples' souls
Nevermind then, I guess the Catholic Church is a force for good afterall
They're weighing their deaths vs an eternity in hell and again they don't want these people to die from aids. They want them not have premarital sex which can lead to HIV.
For that argument to work you'd have to prove that abstinence is actually better for you than having sex.
Uh...no I don't. Lack of harm and benefit are not the same thing.
Yes you do, because alcohol is bad for you. Your argument relies on that fact. You have to prove that sex is bad for you or the analogy fails, dude.
No alcohol in excess is bad for you and your argument relies on abstaining from sex being harmful to your health. It's not.
there are kids born with aids in africa, but I guess you knew that?
It's perfectly possible to not practice premarital sex and still get HIV
yes people can get HIV in all sorts of ways, but that doesn't change the fact that sex is a common way and the use of contraception would greatly reduce the risk in that scenario
Did you know jazz was actually a baseball term before it was a music term?
It first appeared in 1912 in a sports column as a negative term. Then the next year in the same paper as a positive term "jazz in his step" type thing. It wasn't used to mean lively music until 1915
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yeah i think that when actions directly contribute to the spread of a deadly pandemic intentions are kind of a little irrelevant
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Is this a good place to put a medical story about how Zoel is a silly goose
I have one of those to share
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Did you know jazz was actually a baseball term before it was a music term?
It first appeared in 1912 in a sports column as a negative term. Then the next year in the same paper as a positive term "jazz in his step" type thing. It wasn't used to mean lively music until 1915
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Their stances are leading to the death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people, and are not making any serious attempts to stop that
Ohhh but never mind that because they believe that it's bad for peoples' souls
Nevermind then, I guess the Catholic Church is a force for good afterall
Yes you do, because alcohol is bad for you. Your argument relies on that fact. You have to prove that sex is bad for you or the analogy fails, dude.
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FUCK YES THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER
THIS THREAD IS NO LONGER ABOUT ABSTINENCE, IT IS ABOUT BASE WARS
now this is something I can get behind
(also it was a Futurama reference)
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They're weighing their deaths vs an eternity in hell and again they don't want these people to die from aids. They want them not have premarital sex which can lead to HIV.
No alcohol in excess is bad for you and your argument relies on abstaining from sex being harmful to your health. It's not.
I'm a force for good in the world.
it seems like the church could probably focus on other matters where church doctrine doesn't directly contribute to the spread of a horrible illness. it's not like they're totally unaware of the tens of millions of people with hiv/aids. i feel like surely there are more pressing spiritual matters than avoiding contraception.
I wouldn't recommend it as I am not religious and I don't think the catholic church would recommend killing your parents either.
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Notice: the claim that you should not have sex before marriage is perfectly compatible with the claim that condoms prevent the spread of AIDS.
I mean if they weren't compatible they still wouldn't be a force for good but at least they wouldn't be lying through their teeth.
It pretty much entirely depends upon what you take to be the baseline and then what you take to be better or worse.
I mean if you're just gonna be arbitrary about it let's just say that drinking is perfectly healthy and that the health effects you get from not drinking are just 'benefits'.
Yeah okay sure I was totally serious and trying to convert you to my fucked up cult instead of trying to drive a point through by using hyperbole.
You sure got me.
jesus fuck no
Your use of hyperbole is flawed as the church isn't suggesting people harm themselves. In fact they are suggesting the opposite.
It's perfectly possible to not practice premarital sex and still get HIV
yes people can get HIV in all sorts of ways, but that doesn't change the fact that sex is a common way and the use of contraception would greatly reduce the risk in that scenario
Did you know jazz was actually a baseball term before it was a music term?
It first appeared in 1912 in a sports column as a negative term. Then the next year in the same paper as a positive term "jazz in his step" type thing. It wasn't used to mean lively music until 1915
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Of course but less sex with less partners would help reduce the spread of HIV.
Again, I don't support the church lying about contraception or even their proposed solutions to the problem. Just explaining their true intentions.
People fuck, its what they do. To campaign against the one thing that could prevent HIV from being spread is disgusting.
e: Their intentions may be good sure; they just really need to stop what they're doing.
Knowing their true intentions doesn't make their actions any better.
I have one of those to share
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
So the ends justify the means?
What could go wrong...
go for it man
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